AGS Poll Results - Week 7

[AGSPoll]

1 Eastern Washington Eagles 2312 45
2 James Madison Dukes 2271 24
3 Georgia Southern Eagles 2153 9
4 North Dakota State Bison 2111 7
5 Cal Poly Mustangs 2003 12
6 Montana State Bobcats 1766
7 Stony Brook Seawolves 1610
8 Wofford Terriers 1576
9 Old Dominion Monarchs 1543
10 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1535
11 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1372
12 Illinois State Redbirds 1292
13 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1252
14 New Hampshire Wildcats 1232
15 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 1184
16 Youngstown State Penguins 959
17 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 856
18 Albany Great Danes 838
19 Central Arkansas Bears 713
20 Towson Tigers 705
21 Tennessee State Tigers 574
22 Indiana State Sycamores 560
23 Villanova Wildcats 386
24 Harvard Crimson 353
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 257

The Most Significant Win Goes To:
Indiana State Sycamores

The Most Significant Loss Goes To:
North Dakota State Bison

26 Samford Bulldogs 86
27 The Citadel Bulldogs 72
28 Sacramento State Hornets 65
29 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 52
30 McNeese State Cowboys 45
31 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 30
32 Richmond Spiders 26
33 Southern Illinois Salukis 15
34 Northern Iowa Panthers 13
35 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 10
36 Drake Bulldogs 8
37 Chattanooga Mocs 6
38 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 5
39 Lafayette Leopards 3
40 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 1

[asumike83]

Not a bad poll at all. Here is mine:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Cal Poly Mustangs
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Towson Tigers
19: Tennessee State Tigers
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Villanova Wildcats

[Seawolf97]

I'll take it !!!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Whew! 1st place votes spread out all over the place.

[Hambone]

I'm curious as to who is still voting for Northern Iowa.

[Fear the Bird]

25 for 25! xthumbsupx

[Hambone]

Here is my poll.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Towson Tigers
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Old Dominion Monarchs
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[I-16Bandit]

Only to number 4?

[HailSzczur]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Old Dominion Monarchs
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Towson Tigers
21: Tennessee State Tigers
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[bluehenbillk]

Decent poll this week:

Too high: Stony Brook (#7, really??) and Lehigh

Too Low: Northern Arizona

[bjtheflamesfan]

Here's my ballot for this week:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Cal Poly Mustangs
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Towson Tigers
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Youngstown State Penguins

[BisonBohl]

Interested why some of you are rating Youngstown State higher then IlIllnois State?

[LakesBison]

You're kidding or butthurt, which one? I put NDSU #2. they ONLY gave up 3 freakin points, had a stupid O coordinator and bad QB play, had 3 starters get hurt and still ONLY lost by 3.


Only to number 4?

[BEAR]

Looks like UCA didn't move...after beating a higher ranked opponent. Let's see..that's a W vs. McNeese #15 and Sam #2/3. Top 15 would have been better but nevermind...we'll win out and watch the playoffs from home...xlolx

[Vitojr130]

Oh man I hate this top 5 because I think that they all could be #1 at this point.
I think the poll should just be more like:
Tie-(1): EWU, JMU, GASO, NDSU, Cal Poly
6: MSU or SBU
etc.
etc.

[bluehenbillk]

Here's the correct (my version):

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: Old Dominion Monarchs
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Harvard Crimson

[tingly]

Losing teams of late have been averaging a 6-spot drop around the various polls. I was guessing that NDSU would only drop 3 due to their dismantling of YSU.

[Sammy94]

Here was my go at it.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Cal Poly Mustangs
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Old Dominion Monarchs
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Towson Tigers
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[Professor Chaos]

Interested why some of you are rating Youngstown State higher then IlIllnois State?
The transitive property doesn't hold water anymore at this point in the season. Too much football has been played. I had YSU at #13 and Illinois St #17. I still think YSU is a better team but sometimes the better team loses head to head.

For full disclosure, here's my ballot:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Appalachian State Mountaineers
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Wofford Terriers
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Towson Tigers
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[I-16Bandit]

You're kidding or butthurt, which one? I put NDSU #2. they ONLY gave up 3 freakin points, had a stupid O coordinator and bad QB play, had 3 starters get hurt and still ONLY lost by 3.

The #1 team lost to a #28 team at home. A loss is a loss. You're lucky so many of the top teams lost as well.

Last year, when Georgia Southern was #1, we lost at #8 App State by 1 score, and dropped to #6.

[OhioHen]

I'm curious as to who is still voting for Northern Iowa.

And how those votes were accepted by the poll committee. xnonono2x xconfusedx

1-5 xreadx xrulesx

[No_Skill]

The #1 team lost to a #28 team at home. A loss is a loss. You're lucky so many of the top teams lost as well.

Last year, when Georgia Southern was #1, we lost at #8 App State by 1 score, and dropped to #6.

Worried GSU will have to come to Fargo again?

[JSUBison]

And how those votes were accepted by the poll committee. xnonono2x xconfusedx

1-5 xreadx xrulesx

0-5 actually.

[I-16Bandit]

Worried GSU will have to come to Fargo again?

Inconsistent polling IMO.

[BisonBohl]

Yeah Northern Iowa shouldnt even be sniffing votes.

[BisonBohl]

Reason NDSU didnt drop more was due to all the top teams losing. Not because of favorism but rather due to a wild Saturday.

[I-16Bandit]

Reason NDSU didnt drop more was due to all the top teams losing. Not because of favorism but rather due to a wild Saturday.

And I mentioned that in a previous post. Be lucky.

[crusader11]

Who voted for Lafayette? Carney, Bogie, P4L, Tanks...someone fess up.

[BisonBohl]

I saw that but then you made this comment:

Inconsistent polling IMO.

Which one is it?

[I-16Bandit]

I saw that but then you made this comment:

Inconsistent polling IMO.

Which one is it?

Both? Still should be lower, but I somewhat get why not.

[dbackjon]

Another poll that is a joke.

NAU only #15?

[UNIFanSince1983]

I'm curious as to who is still voting for Northern Iowa.

I have no idea! We got 13 points. That means we either were on 13 ballots at 25 or 1 person voted us at 13. Or some sort of combination in between that.

We have no business being in any poll period. Now if we stop being a crappy team and win a few games like against SDSU and Illinois St. (which are not looking likely) then MAYBe we could start getting votes again.

[BisonBohl]

Id say at worst NDSU should be is 5, with cal poly the only team that could be ahead of them.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Interested why some of you are rating Youngstown State higher then IlIllnois State?

Interested why everyone is rating NDSU higher than Indiana State?

Clearly the answer is people still think YSU has a better resume than Illinois State and is a better team because that is obviously the same answer for NDSU and the Trees.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Both? Still should be lower, but I somewhat get why not.

Not making a good case for your thinking but so be it. It would be inconsistent if the parameters were the same and it happened. The parameters are inconsistent, so I'd expect the outcome to not match up exactly.

[I-16Bandit]

Not making a good case for your thinking but so be it. It would be inconsistent if the parameters were the same and it happened. The parameters are inconsistent, so I'd expect the outcome to not match up exactly.

Yes yes yes. I get that. Was just stating an observation.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yes yes yes. I get that. Was just stating an observation.

As was I.xlolx

[401ks]

NAU only #15?

xchinscratchx

I agree.

[crusader11]

Another poll that is a joke.

NAU only #15?

Why is that such a joke? I actually had NAU a bit lower. Am I supposed to be getting that excited with wins over North Dakota, Portland State, and Fort Lewis? Even the win against Montana isn't looking THAT impressive.

Who would you have NAU ranked ahead?

[I-16Bandit]

As was I.xlolx

xthumbsupx

And for you Bizzzzon fans, just for the record, I still think NDSU is a very good team.

[GeauxLions94]

Here's mine for the week ...

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Towson Tigers
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Appalachian State Mountaineers
21: Tennessee State Tigers
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Samford Bulldogs

[MSUBobcat]

Here's my go at it:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Cal Poly Mustangs
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Old Dominion Monarchs
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Towson Tigers
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Sacramento State Hornets

I feel pretty good about it, since 1-8 match the results, 9-10 and 11-12 are flip flopped and the rest are within 1-2 spots of the poll results, with the exception of Tenn St. (who I have 3 spots higher) and Lehigh (9 spots lower - too many 3 pt or less wins over teams that I feel everyone ahead of them would have dispatched more easily. Case in pt - Lehigh won by 2 @ Liberty while the Griz dominated Liberty by 20, granted at home, but no one is considering voting for the Griz.)

[van]

Decent poll this week:

Too high: Stony Brook (#7, really??) and Lehigh

Too Low: Northern Arizona

and who is voting for Delaware?

[eaglesrthe1]

The #1 team lost to a #28 team at home. A loss is a loss. You're lucky so many of the top teams lost as well.
Last year, when Georgia Southern was #1, we lost at #8 App State by 1 score, and dropped to #6.

Well, there you go.

[401ks]

Why is that such a joke? I actually had NAU a bit lower. Am I supposed to be getting that excited with wins over FBS UNLV, North Dakota, Portland State, and Fort Lewis? Even the win against Montana isn't looking THAT impressive.

Who would you have NAU ranked ahead?

I know that you asked this of dbackjon, but quickly off the top of my head I would say:

Appalachian State
Sam Houston State
Lehigh
even New Hampshire (though that one is close)

As a (new) follower of Cal Poly, I'm not even sure that Cal Poly is a better team than NAU. But that will be answered on the field in November.

xpeacex

[Pard4Life]

I've got:

1. Cal Poly
2. NDSU

Bison are still going to win the national title, IMO.

[dbackjon]

Why is that such a joke? I actually had NAU a bit lower. Am I supposed to be getting that excited with wins over North Dakota, Portland State, and Fort Lewis? Even the win against Montana isn't looking THAT impressive.

Who would you have NAU ranked ahead?

Road wins are road wins - we have won at Missoula, which is still a good win. At UND. At Las Vegas, a team that would win most FCS games.

Only loss was in first game, to a pretty good Arizona State.

I would put them ahead of:

James Madison Dukes - what beating Alcorn State, St. Francis, Rhode Island, and barely beating Towson and W&M at home makes them look anywhere better than NAU?
Stony Brook Seawolves - CCSU, Pace, Colgate, Chuck South - yeah, tough.
Old Dominion Monarchs - get some D first
Sam Houston State Bearkats - not impressed
Appalachian State Mountaineers - would be a good game
Illinois State Redbirds - would be a good game
Lehigh Mountain Hawks - NAU by 25+
New Hampshire Wildcats - NAU in a rout

[tingly]

NCAA GPI
1. 8.4 Eastern Washington (8.4+1+1) = average(Laz,Self,Wolfe,MasseyBCS,AshburnWL) + TSN poll + coach poll
2. 16.0 James Madison (12.0+2+2)
3. 16.2 Georgia Southern (10.2+3+3)
4. 18.0 North Dakota St. (10.0+4+4)
5. 19.6 Montana St. (9.6+5+5)
6. 29.0 Cal Poly (3.0+14+12)
7. 30.6 Illinois St. (6.6+11+13)
8. 35.6 Lehigh (19.6+9+7)
9. 36.4 Old Dominion (21.4+7+8)
10. 38.2 Northern Arizona (7.2+16+15)
10. 38.2 Tennessee St. (3.2+17+18)
12. 38.8 Stony Brook (18.8+10+10)
12. 38.8 Appalachian St. (14.8+13+11)
14. 40.2 Sam Houston St. (28.2+6+6)
15. 41.6 Wofford (24.6+8+9)
16. 48.8 Youngstown St. (17.8+15+16)

Replace both polls with AGS and the top 8 is EWU, Cal Poly, JMU, Georgia Southern, NDSU, Montana State, Illinois State, Stony Brook.

[Ivytalk]

Here's mine:

1. Eastern Washington Eagles
2. Georgia Southern Eagles
3. Cal Poly Mustangs
4. James Madison Dukes
5. North Dakota State Bison
6. Montana State Bobcats
7. Appalachian State Mountaineers
8. Old Dominion Monarch
9. New Hampshire Wildcats
10. Wofford Terriers
11. Sam Houston State Bearkats
12. Illinois State Redbirds
13. Youngstown State Penguins
14. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15. Stony Brook Seawolves
16. Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
18. Albany Great Danes
19. Tennessee State Tigers
20. Central Arkansas Bears
21. Indiana State Sycamores
22. Towson Tigers
23. Villanova Wildcats
24. Harvard Crimson
25. Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[danefan]

NCAA GPI
1. 8.4 Eastern Washington (8.4+1+1) = average(Laz,Self,Wolfe,MasseyBCS,AshburnWL) + TSN poll + coach poll
2. 16.0 James Madison (12.0+2+2)
3. 16.2 Georgia Southern (10.2+3+3)
4. 18.0 North Dakota St. (10.0+4+4)
5. 19.6 Montana St. (9.6+5+5)
6. 29.0 Cal Poly (3.0+14+12)
7. 30.6 Illinois St. (6.6+11+13)
8. 35.6 Lehigh (19.6+9+7)
9. 36.4 Old Dominion (21.4+7+8)
10. 38.2 Northern Arizona (7.2+16+15)
10. 38.2 Tennessee St. (3.2+17+18)
12. 38.8 Stony Brook (18.8+10+10)
12. 38.8 Appalachian St. (14.8+13+11)
14. 40.2 Sam Houston St. (28.2+6+6)
15. 41.6 Wofford (24.6+8+9)
16. 48.8 Youngstown St. (17.8+15+16)

Replace both polls with AGS and the top 8 is EWU, Cal Poly, JMU, Georgia Southern, NDSU, Montana State, Illinois State, Stony Brook.

According to the NCAA FCS Championship Handbook, for purposes of the Bridge AQ ONLY, the "computer poll will be a variation of the Gridiron Power Index – using only the following computer rankings: The Massey Ratings, Wolfe Rankings, Ashburn Rankings, Self Rankings and the Laz Index."

The NCAA GPI using only those computer rankings is worth 1/3 of the 3rd factor to determine Bridge AQ. The other 2/3 are are the Coaches and TSN poll.

The NCAA GPI is irrelevant when talking about at-larges other than for a PFL team. This year, no PFL will qualify as non will have 2 wins against AQ conferences.

[tingly]

"According to the NCAA FCS Championship Handbook, for purposes of the Bridge AQ ONLY"

1, the Bridge AQ doesn't have a name in the handbook, but it's referred to as a "guaranteed at-large." (Maybe it's called Bridge elsewhere and you got me on that.)
2, the handbook doesn't say "only."
3, the current committee chair says the committee uses anything they can get their hands on. They have their hands on it. Therefore, they use it. I hope they don't use it much, cuz it's not that great.

I'm with you on paragraph #2 cuz it's what I had in the formula.

[Dane96]

Hey Ralph, aka Tingly,

First, welcome back...it's been awhile since the rationality of the board has been challenged. In the years since you left the board, life hasn't changed...i.e. it doesnt go like this:

"If you say it enough times, people will listen."

Get me some hard proof comments from the committee. It's really easy, "Mr. Committee Chair, I am trying to get people to understand the value of my tool that I give you....please come out and publicly say that you use my tool just like you have publicly said you specifically use the Coaches Poll and TSN Poll. Thank you."

I work with Government Politicos all day who will give me more quotes for our product than you can get out of the committee.

Jeesh.

For the record, I have my hands on great stock information; Doesn't mean I bought the stock.

Numnuts.

[T-Dog]

Mine. I believe there shouldn't be polls until this week hence why I'm making mine public now.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Stony Brook Seawolves
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: Towson Tigers
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[bobcathpdevil56]

Another poll that is a joke.

NAU only #15?

I moved them up to 10, but I was a little homerish with the BSC this week:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Towson Tigers
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[HensRock]

I've got:

1. Cal Poly
2. NDSU

Bison are still going to win the national title, IMO.


Then you should have ranked them #1., IMO.

[tingly]

If I were Ralph, I'd be backing him up instead of questioning parts of his posts and calling one bit false. I gave the hard proof comment the first time I brought it up. But what I need to know right now is how did you know my nuts are numb?

I'm a Poly fan and I wouldn't put them #1. The AGS poll has it about right.

[Dane96]

Or you could be as sly as you always were (or pretended to be).

Chinese Gymnasts...anyone...one of my favorite all time threads.

[Dane96]

Oh...and you really are a numnut based on your comment about you thinking I knew you had numb nuts

Not NUMBNUTS.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numnuts

[Fear the Bird]

and who is voting for Delaware?

And another week starts where LU faithful don't actually defend their squad but come back with people thinking they are ranked too high with "Delaware sucks"

I know I haven't voted for Delaware and doubt bluehenbillk has been so your point makes no sense - tell us why you th ink Lehigh warrants #13 without anything at all that resembles we beat the CAA champ in December

[tingly]

Yes, yes, yes, but it's the same deal as numskull coming from numb skull. BTW, the guy who started urban dictionary was a Cal Poly student at the time.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Are both of you butthurt this week? For the record I have the Danes at 14 this week with all the upheaval in the rankings but seriously?

[danefan]

Are both of you butthurt this week? For the record I have the Danes at 14 this week with all the upheaval in the rankings but seriously?

Doesn't matter where Albany is ranked.

I will continue to point out the incorrect assertions about the GPI until Ralph stops overselling it for something it isn't.

[Fear the Bird]

Who is voting for Tennessee Tech? Perhaps this is why Tennessee St is having a hard time moving up?

Who is voting for Lafayette? If you are going to throw that vote away, why don't you stick Princeton there?

[NHwildEcat]

Road wins are road wins - we have won at Missoula, which is still a good win. At UND. At Las Vegas, a team that would win most FCS games.

Only loss was in first game, to a pretty good Arizona State.

I would put them ahead of:

James Madison Dukes - what beating Alcorn State, St. Francis, Rhode Island, and barely beating Towson and W&M at home makes them look anywhere better than NAU?
Stony Brook Seawolves - CCSU, Pace, Colgate, Chuck South - yeah, tough.
Old Dominion Monarchs - get some D first
Sam Houston State Bearkats - not impressed
Appalachian State Mountaineers - would be a good game
Illinois State Redbirds - would be a good game
Lehigh Mountain Hawks - NAU by 25+
New Hampshire Wildcats - NAU in a rout

What kind of meds are you on?

[bluehenbillk]

and who is voting for Delaware?

What's that have to do with anything? If UD was in the poll, like they were in the TSN poll I'd have them at "too high" as well. You can see I commented that way in that thread earlier today.

My poll is posted for public view, I believe on the 2nd page of this thread, I have UD unranked, I have Lehigh at #21. I have them there because they've played a very weak schedule & have had some squeakers against teams that simply just aren't very good. Either beat somebody good or start to win some games where you're resting starters in the 4Q to move up.

[Dane96]

Are both of you butthurt this week? For the record I have the Danes at 14 this week with all the upheaval in the rankings but seriously?

You keep using the word butthurt. Gotta get a new slogan.

You are also missing the point of Tingly/Aka Ralph.

[MSUBobcat]

What kind of meds are you on?

Its not a problem of what meds he's on, its more a question of why is he OFF said meds. As I posted on 9/24 in the AGS poll results thread:


Nope - it's trashed, gone, done, kaput. And from now on, either get NAU in the top 10, or dbackjon is gonna shut this party down completely. ;)

You people haven't been heeding my warning. xtroublex

[WrenFGun]

Road wins are road wins - we have won at Missoula, which is still a good win. At UND. At Las Vegas, a team that would win most FCS games.

Only loss was in first game, to a pretty good Arizona State.

I would put them ahead of:

James Madison Dukes - what beating Alcorn State, St. Francis, Rhode Island, and barely beating Towson and W&M at home makes them look anywhere better than NAU?
Stony Brook Seawolves - CCSU, Pace, Colgate, Chuck South - yeah, tough.
Old Dominion Monarchs - get some D first
Sam Houston State Bearkats - not impressed
Appalachian State Mountaineers - would be a good game
Illinois State Redbirds - would be a good game
Lehigh Mountain Hawks - NAU by 25+
New Hampshire Wildcats - NAU in a rout

NAU's resume is better than almost none of those teams. NAU has historically choked away numerous seasons and UNH in a rout is a joke.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Here's mine:



1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Illinois State Redbirds
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Old Dominion Monarchs
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Sam Houston State Bearkats
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

The PL isn't as weak as some people seem to think. Lehigh could surprise quite a few teams. I haven't watched a NAU game yet, so I can't fully qualify a comment, but to say anyone would route UNH is a mistake. The Wildcats could hang with, if not defeat, anyone in the top 25 right now.

[MSUBobcat]

What's that have to do with anything? If UD was in the poll, like they were in the TSN poll I'd have them at "too high" as well. You can see I commented that way in that thread earlier today.

My poll is posted for public view, I believe on the 2nd page of this thread, I have UD unranked, I have Lehigh at #21. I have them there because they've played a very weak schedule & have had some squeakers against teams that simply just aren't very good. Either beat somebody good or start to win some games where you're resting starters in the 4Q to move up.

^^^^ This. Too many games that were close against teams that others took care of w/o issue, yet LU is ranked above them all:

v. Monmouth - LU won by 10; Albany beat them by 31, yet Albany is 5 spots behind LU in this AGS poll
v. Princeton - LU won by 3; 3-4 Georgetown beat them by 1 on the road; G'Town isn't sniffing the top 25, nor is Princeton
@ Liberty - LU won by 2; Grizzlies pumped them by 20, albeit at home; Griz fell like a stone from the top 25
v. Fordham - LU won by 3; Nova beat them by 15 and they just this week entered the top 25, 10 places below Lehigh
v. Columbia - LU won by 21; Princeton went to their house and won by 27
@ G'Town - LU won by 3; visiting Yale (by 3) and Brown (by 27) beat G'Town, as well as Fordham at home by 7; none are top 25

IMO, if Lehigh was a true #13, they would be beating these opponents by much more, especially considering that other teams ranked below or not at all have done so.

[tingly]

Cal Poly hasn't ended the last 3 seasons all that well. Poly@NAU could be quite the season ender.

[ITmonarch10]

Road wins are road wins - we have won at Missoula, which is still a good win. At UND. At Las Vegas, a team that would win most FCS games.

Only loss was in first game, to a pretty good Arizona State.

I would put them ahead of:

James Madison Dukes - what beating Alcorn State, St. Francis, Rhode Island, and barely beating Towson and W&M at home makes them look anywhere better than NAU?
Stony Brook Seawolves - CCSU, Pace, Colgate, Chuck South - yeah, tough.
Old Dominion Monarchs - get some D first
Sam Houston State Bearkats - not impressed
Appalachian State Mountaineers - would be a good game
Illinois State Redbirds - would be a good game
Lehigh Mountain Hawks - NAU by 25+
New Hampshire Wildcats - NAU in a rout

WTF are you smoking? Dbackjon have you looked at NAU schedule closely. You haven't even played a single team even sniffing the top 25(Current polls) yet and you are avoiding every power team in the Big Sky this year untill Cal Poly at the very end.
You win against Montana is looking weaker and weaker as the weeks go on. Cal Poly has a similar problem ; however, they have 3 quality teams on there schedule still and a decent FBS win. For NAU sake at the end of the year Cal Poly needs to keep winning.

[crusader11]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Cal Poly Mustangs
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Towson Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Anyone else have Lehigh, Central Arkansas, and Northern Arizona 20 or below?

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Cleaned house in my top 5.



1: James Madison Dukes
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Sacramento State Hornets
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Towson Tigers

[Fear the Bird]

I have Lehigh at 20 (yes I know Delaware sucks Lehigh fans) but not sure why people never appreciate Central Arkansas

Northern Arizona I think I may have overranked the more I think about it...22 might be harsh, but 14-15 is probably more realistic than my current #8. Unfortunately, I bit hard on the Montana win, which looks worse and worse each week.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

My go at it....

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Appalachian State Mountaineers
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Old Dominion Monarchs
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Tennessee State Tigers
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Towson Tigers

[Professor Chaos]

Cleaned house in my top 5.



1: James Madison Dukes
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Sacramento State Hornets
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Towson Tigers
Southern Illinois in but both Youngstown St and Indiana St (who beat SIU by 21 in Carbondale) out? What's your thinking on that?

[MSUBobcat]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Cal Poly Mustangs
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Towson Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Anyone else have Lehigh, Central Arkansas, and Northern Arizona 20 or below?

I have UCA at 19 and Lehigh at 22 but I think it's doubtful anyone has all 3 at 20 or below. I'd bet the house that NO ONE has Lehigh, UCA, NAU AND SDSU at 20 or below. You may want to duck. :D

[asumike83]

Road wins at UNLV and Montana are solid but without games against Eastern Washington or Montana State, NAU doesn't play a schedule that will allow them to leapfrog the teams above them unless they do a lot of beating up on one another. However, they will certainly get their shot in the postseason if they keep winning.

[darell1976]

Here is mine:

1: Cal Poly Mustangs
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Stony Brook Seawolves
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Towson Tigers
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Tennessee State Tigers
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[MSUBobcat]

Cleaned house in my top 5.



1: James Madison Dukes
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Sacramento State Hornets
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Towson Tigers

Really punished the top teams for losing (2 of which were to top 10 ranked teams), yet rewarded NAU for beating 3-4 UND by 7 in a game where NAU seemed to have no defense???

[dbackjon]

NAU's resume is better than almost none of those teams. NAU has historically choked away numerous seasons and UNH in a rout is a joke.

Previous seasons have no bearing on this season. If you are using past seasons, then you have no business voting.

NAU hadn't won an FBS since 87. Won in Missoula since 87. Using past seasons, NAU should be 3-3. FAIL on your part.


NAU - UNH would be close. Just used that to get a response :)

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Really punished the top teams for losing (2 of which were to top 10 ranked teams), yet rewarded NAU for beating 3-4 UND by 7 in a game where NAU seemed to have no defense???

North Dakota's offense is one of the best in the FCS. Would it have made a difference if they had won 14-7? At this point they are also a one-loss teams with a loss that is not as bad as losing at home to an unranked team, getting blown out at home by a top 25.

[MSUBobcat]

North Dakota's offense is one of the best in the FCS. Would it have made a difference if they had won 14-7? At this point they are also a one-loss teams with a loss that is not as bad as losing at home to an unranked team, getting blown out at home by a top 25.

EWU and Poly both found ways to hold their offense to 17 points on their way to big wins. Just sayin'.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Here's mine:



1: Cal Poly Mustangs
2: James Madison Dukes
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Tennessee State Tigers
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: Towson Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Central Arkansas Bears

[BEAR]

I have Lehigh at 20 (yes I know Delaware sucks Lehigh fans) but not sure why people never appreciate Central Arkansas

Eh..we're fairly new to FCS. We've only been playoff eligible for 2 years. We've been ranked nearly every year several times each year. But its been tough to do when Sam has a good year, SFA has 2 good years and McNeese..well, they're the gold standard...we've just got to get lucky enough sometimes to get the right bounce....

[Tribal]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Cal Poly Mustangs
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Towson Tigers
19: Tennessee State Tigers
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Harvard Crimson
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Tribal

[darell1976]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Cal Poly Mustangs
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Towson Tigers
19: Tennessee State Tigers
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Harvard Crimson
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Tribal

Seems low.

[Tribal]

Seems low.

Who have they played besides a horrible Wyoming team and they narrowly won that game? I suspect we'll have a much clearer picture in a couple of weeks when they play EWU. I feel the same way about ODU, which I why I have them lower than most.

[dbackjon]

Who have they played besides a horrible Wyoming team and they narrowly won that game? I suspect we'll have a much clearer picture in a couple of weeks when they play EWU. I feel the same way about ODU, which I why I have them lower than most.

Who has James Madison beaten, other than a terrible William and Mary?

Wyoming, like UNLV, are close to being decent - Wyoming has lost once in OT, 3 other times by 3, 2 and 1 points.

[Engineer86]

^^^^ This. Too many games that were close against teams that others took care of w/o issue, yet LU is ranked above them all:

v. Monmouth - LU won by 10; Albany beat them by 31, yet Albany is 5 spots behind LU in this AGS poll
v. Princeton - LU won by 3; 3-4 Georgetown beat them by 1 on the road; G'Town isn't sniffing the top 25, nor is Princeton
@ Liberty - LU won by 2; Grizzlies pumped them by 20, albeit at home; Griz fell like a stone from the top 25
v. Fordham - LU won by 3; Nova beat them by 15 and they just this week entered the top 25, 10 places below Lehigh
v. Columbia - LU won by 21; Princeton went to their house and won by 27
@ G'Town - LU won by 3; visiting Yale (by 3) and Brown (by 27) beat G'Town, as well as Fordham at home by 7; none are top 25

IMO, if Lehigh was a true #13, they would be beating these opponents by much more, especially considering that other teams ranked below or not at all have done so.

This is why I am frustrated by Lehigh's inconsistent play within games. I have Lehigh at 15, and agree to move up, they Need to put together a few full games at the level they are capable of. The only other alternative is keep winning and get the AQ, but I just do not see putting together a strong game in the playoffs unless they do so soon. Like this weekend vs Bucknell. Definitely need something better than 19-3 ;)

[Professor Chaos]

North Dakota's offense is one of the best in the FCS. Would it have made a difference if they had won 14-7? At this point they are also a one-loss teams with a loss that is not as bad as losing at home to an unranked team, getting blown out at home by a top 25.
Indiana St is now a ranked team and deservingly so. You do have a team that lost to an unranked team at #3 however xeyebrowx. Double standards?

[DSUrocks07]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: Cal Poly Mustangs
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9: Appalachian State Mountaineers
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Albany Great Danes
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Towson Tigers
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Sacramento State Hornets
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

^^^^ This. Too many games that were close against teams that others took care of w/o issue, yet LU is ranked above them all:

v. Monmouth - LU won by 10; Albany beat them by 31, yet Albany is 5 spots behind LU in this AGS poll
v. Princeton - LU won by 3; 3-4 Georgetown beat them by 1 on the road; G'Town isn't sniffing the top 25, nor is Princeton
@ Liberty - LU won by 2; Grizzlies pumped them by 20, albeit at home; Griz fell like a stone from the top 25
v. Fordham - LU won by 3; Nova beat them by 15 and they just this week entered the top 25, 10 places below Lehigh
v. Columbia - LU won by 21; Princeton went to their house and won by 27
@ G'Town - LU won by 3; visiting Yale (by 3) and Brown (by 27) beat G'Town, as well as Fordham at home by 7; none are top 25

IMO, if Lehigh was a true #13, they would be beating these opponents by much more, especially considering that other teams ranked below or not at all have done so.

Overall, MSU has been a lot like Lehigh except for their close loss against EWU. They've had a lot of escapes against decent teams like Lehigh.

Lehigh has the talent to play with and beat the teams around them in the polls. They just need to focus! The self inflicted wounds are brutal to watch.

[Vitojr130]

Indiana St is now a ranked team and deservingly so. You do have a team that lost to an unranked team at #3 however xeyebrowx. Double standards?

Well of course! Donchyaknow, when ranking teams we are supposed to look at only last weeks performance instead of the season as a whole? [/SARCASM]
I find it very, very hard to see NDSU anywhere below 5th even though they lost to ISU-b.

[MSUBobcat]

Overall, MSU has been a lot like Lehigh except for their close loss against EWU. They've had a lot of escapes against decent teams like Lehigh.

Lehigh has the talent to play with and beat the teams around them in the polls. They just need to focus! The self inflicted wounds are brutal to watch.

That was my argument - Lehigh has had a lot of escapes, but the teams weren't decent, IMO. Princeton and Fordham were probably their "quality wins" and I'd put money on SFA, SUU and UC-D at home over both. Probably Drake also. They also all lost by 7 or more to MSU.

[dbackjon]

Overall, MSU has been a lot like Lehigh except for their close loss against EWU. They've had a lot of escapes against decent teams like Lehigh.

Lehigh has the talent to play with and beat the teams around them in the polls. They just need to focus! The self inflicted wounds are brutal to watch.

What are these decent teams you speak of that Lehigh has played?

[darell1976]

Well of course! Donchyaknow, when ranking teams we are supposed to look at only last weeks performance instead of the season as a whole? [/SARCASM]
I find it very, very hard to see NDSU anywhere below 5th even though they lost to ISU-b.

Why do you find in hard? NDSU has beaten 1 team with a winning record (YSU) and beat four others with a combined 3 DI wins. There is NDSU's season as a whole.

[FargoBison]

Indiana St is now a ranked team and deservingly so. You do have a team that lost to an unranked team at #3 however xeyebrowx. Double standards?

He has NDSU behind a team that was crushed at home by unranked team. So I'm not really sure why these GSU fans even say this unranked garbage when they don't stick to it. All they seem to think is GSU lost and fell this far so every team has to fall that far when they lose.

[FargoBison]

Well of course! Donchyaknow, when ranking teams we are supposed to look at only last weeks performance instead of the season as a whole? [/SARCASM]
I find it very, very hard to see NDSU anywhere below 5th even though they lost to ISU-b.

Why do you find in hard? NDSU has beaten 1 team with a winning record (YSU) and beat four others with a combined 3 DI wins. There is NDSU's season as a whole.

Well that is one more win vs a team with a winning record than both JMU and Cal Poly have thus far....

[No_Skill]

Well of course! Donchyaknow, when ranking teams we are supposed to look at only last weeks performance instead of the season as a whole? [/SARCASM]
I find it very, very hard to see NDSU anywhere below 5th even though they lost to ISU-b.

Why do you find in hard? NDSU has beaten 1 team with a winning record (YSU) and beat four others with a combined 3 DI wins. There is NDSU's season as a whole.

I think it's funny that so many people last week (including you) were saying that NDSU was far and away the best team in FCS, but now that they've had one bad game they shouldn't be in the top 5.

I've seen every NDSU game this year and last week's game was an anomaly. If we win out, we will still get one of the top 2 seeds.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

What are these decent teams you speak of that Lehigh has played?



Princeton and Fordham are solid teams. Liberty MIGHT turn out to be SBU's challenger in the Big South.

I've seen MSU, EWU, Montana, UCD and SUU play. Lehigh, Colgate and Fordham would compete well with these teams.

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=darell1976;1868312]

I think it's funny that so many people last week (including you) were saying that NDSU was far and away the best team in FCS, but now that they've had one bad game they shouldn't be in the top 5.

I've seen every NDSU game this year and last week's game was an anomaly. If we win out, we will still get one of the top 2 seeds.

I went back and looked at my post from last week...I never said NDSU was far and away the best team in the FCS. I said if you win you should be ranked at the top (like NDSU) but if you lose you should drop. Then I argued why UNI was still being ranked.

[dbackjon]

Princeton and Fordham are solid teams. Liberty MIGHT turn out to be SBU's challenger in the Big South.

I've seen MSU, EWU, Montana, UCD and SUU play. Lehigh, Colgate and Fordham would compete well with these teams.

Princeton is likely the best team Lehigh has played.

MSU, EWU, Montana would beat all three by 2 TD minimum.

[KUlawJack]

I see some polls with SDSU ranked below an Indiana State team we beat by two touchdowns in Terre Haute, and in some cases, numerous spots below. xcrazyx

ISU-B's win against NDSU is great, don't get me wrong, but come on.

[ElCid]

Another poll that is a joke.

NAU only #15?

You may have a point but consider this. NAU is rated as follows.

AGS - 15
Coaches - 15
Sports Network - 16

or computer

Massy - 6
Sagarin - 15

Now Massey may be the highest, but it also has Harvard at 13!? And even Sagarin has Harvard at 4 so the computers are not really in tune with reality, but that is literally another thread.

So either everyone is out of whack or NAU is "about" where they should be. I personally think they should be about 12 (ahead of App, NH and Lehigh), but here is the problem--Getting blasted by ASU, BCS or not 63-6 is just bad; beating Fort who?; beating a 1-6UNLV team, even if FBS; beating a 2-4 Portland St.; beating Montana and ND on the road was good, but Montana is all growl and no bite this year, and ND is average at best. Beat UC Davis, S Utah, and Cal poly and you creep steadily into the top five. N Col and ID St are automatic even on the road I should think. Lose just one of the three quality games you have remaiing and you still end up in top 10 still with a playoff spot.

But I don't think it is too much of joke.

[Vitojr130]

[QUOTE=No_Skill;1868320]

I went back and looked at my post from last week...I never said NDSU was far and away the best team in the FCS. I said if you win you should be ranked at the top (like NDSU) but if you lose you should drop. Then I argued why UNI was still being ranked.

But why is it that you should drop automatically if you lose? You should be looking at the overall scope of things when you rank teams. I believe that if NDSU and ISU-b were to play 10 games, NDSU wins out the other 9 times. I have a hard time ranking NDSU lower than 5th because I think that they have the better chance at coming out ahead in 99% (if not 100%) of FCS games.

[ElCid]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Cal Poly Mustangs
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Towson Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

I am not sure anyone would have them ranked at all if they could see how much our D sucks....bad. Appreciate the thought though.;)

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=darell1976;1868326]

But why is it that you should drop automatically if you lose? You should be looking at the overall scope of things when you rank teams. I believe that if NDSU and ISU-b were to play 10 games, NDSU wins out the other 9 times. I have a hard time ranking NDSU lower than 5th because I think that they have the better chance at coming out ahead in 99% (if not 100%) of FCS games.

Oh come on, if UND was #1 and lost to a BSC unranked team you would flip if UND stayed at #1.

[No_Skill]

[QUOTE=Vitojr130;1868334]

Oh come on, if UND was #1 and lost to a BSC unranked team you would flip if UND stayed at #1.

Why do you insist on bringing UN_ into this?

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=darell1976;1868339]

Why do you insist on bringing UN_ into this?

Fine if Montana State or Cal Poly was #1 and lost to an unranked BSC team you wouldn't agree with it.

[MSUBobcat]

Princeton and Fordham are solid teams. Liberty MIGHT turn out to be SBU's challenger in the Big South.

I've seen MSU, EWU, Montana, UCD and SUU play. Lehigh, Colgate and Fordham would compete well with these teams.

Having gone to school in Bozeman, I know they have some good dope, but put it down for a while before posting. I hope for SBU's sake they aren't challenged by Liberty. UM handled Liberty EASILY, and the Griz are only the 6th-8th best team in the BSC.

Lehigh may compete with UM and UC-D, but nothing suggests they would compete with MSU, EWU or SUU. Lehigh's margin of victory is 4.2 points if you exclude games against 1 win teams CCSU and Columbia, who I think we all agree are bad teams. Why you bring up Colgate I can't fathom. They lost to South Dakota, one of the worst teams in the Valley, who lost to UM, again 6th-8th best team in the Sky. On top of that, Lehigh doesn't even play them for a few weeks, so you are putting the cart before the horse.

[LehighU11]

Here's mine, with last week's rankings as well. Some volatility, but league play is sorting out some previous questions.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles (3)
2: Georgia Southern Eagles (5)
3: North Dakota State Bison (1)
4: James Madison Dukes (4)
5: Cal Poly Mustangs (11)
6: Stony Brook Seawolves (6)
7: New Hampshire Wildcats (10)
8: Old Dominion Monarchs (2)
9: Indiana State Sycamores (16)
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (15)
11: Wofford Terriers (7)
12: Montana State Bobcats (8)
13: Youngstown State Penguins (9)
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers (13)
15: Indiana State Sycamores (27)
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats (14)
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks (12)
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (22)
19: Albany Great Danes (19)
20: Harvard Crimson (17)
21: Towson Tigers (18)
22: Villanova Wildcats (29)
23: Tennessee State Tigers (23)
24: Central Arkansas Bears (24)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (25)

Dropped: Samford, McNeese

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Having gone to school in Bozeman, I know they have some good dope, but put it down for a while before posting. I hope for SBU's sake they aren't challenged by Liberty. UM handled Liberty EASILY, and the Griz are only the 6th-8th best team in the BSC.

Lehigh may compete with UM and UC-D, but nothing suggests they would compete with MSU, EWU or SUU. Lehigh's margin of victory is 4.2 points if you exclude games against 1 win teams CCSU and Columbia, who I think we all agree are bad teams. Why you bring up Colgate I can't fathom. They lost to South Dakota, one of the worst teams in the Valley, who lost to UM, again 6th-8th best team in the Sky. On top of that, Lehigh doesn't even play them for a few weeks, so you are putting the cart before the horse.

You do realize SBU barely beat Coastal this week? They escaped Colgate a couple weeks ago.

What is MSU's margin of victory this year when you take out UNC and Chadron St?

MSU lucks out by dodging NAU and Cal Poly this year. They might enter the playoffs with as many Top 25 wins as Lehigh and or Colgate, zero.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I see some polls with SDSU ranked below an Indiana State team we beat by two touchdowns in Terre Haute, and in some cases, numerous spots below. xcrazyx

ISU-B's win against NDSU is great, don't get me wrong, but come on.

If you look at resumes you can argue that Indiana St has a better resume. You cannot always go by team A beat team B so they should be higher. I mean I see people ranking Indiana State well below an NDSU team they just beat AT NDSU.

Indiana St has wins over NDSU and a 3 TD victory against SIU on the road that is looking better by the week. I wouldn't rank them that way, but I can see where people would.

And don't worry about it because if SDSU makes it through this grueling stretch they are coming up on with 1 or 2 losses it will sort itself out.

[KUlawJack]

If you look at resumes you can argue that Indiana St has a better resume. You cannot always go by team A beat team B so they should be higher. I mean I see people ranking Indiana State well below an NDSU team they just beat AT NDSU.

Indiana St has wins over NDSU and a 3 TD victory against SIU on the road that is looking better by the week. I wouldn't rank them that way, but I can see where people would.

And don't worry about it because if SDSU makes it through this grueling stretch they are coming up on with 1 or 2 losses it will sort itself out.

I fully understand what you're saying, but SDSU is 5-1 (FBS loss) at this point and has handled their business. SDSU has the better record between the two teams and the head to head win on the road by two scores. To me, *homer alert* it isn't even a question.

I do know we'll find out if SDSU belongs in the next few weeks.

[KUlawJack]

Here's mine, with last week's rankings as well. Some volatility, but league play is sorting out some previous questions.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles (3)
2: Georgia Southern Eagles (5)
3: North Dakota State Bison (1)
4: James Madison Dukes (4)
5: Cal Poly Mustangs (11)
6: Stony Brook Seawolves (6)
7: New Hampshire Wildcats (10)
8: Old Dominion Monarchs (2)
9: Indiana State Sycamores (16)
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (15)
11: Wofford Terriers (7)
12: Montana State Bobcats (8)
13: Youngstown State Penguins (9)
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers (13)
15: Indiana State Sycamores (27)
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats (14)
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks (12)
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (22)
19: Albany Great Danes (19)
20: Harvard Crimson (17)
21: Towson Tigers (18)
22: Villanova Wildcats (29)
23: Tennessee State Tigers (23)
24: Central Arkansas Bears (24)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (25)

Dropped: Samford, McNeese

ISU-B's win was so good they jumped ahead of SDSU twice? xconfusedxxlolx

On further evaluation, I do realize the first ISU-B was apparently ranked 16 in your previous poll so I guess only one of the ISU-B teams jumped SDSU.

I'm assuming one of those is ISU-R.

[Nickels]

Here's mine, with last week's rankings as well. Some volatility, but league play is sorting out some previous questions.

1: Eastern Washington Eagles (3)
2: Georgia Southern Eagles (5)
3: North Dakota State Bison (1)
4: James Madison Dukes (4)
5: Cal Poly Mustangs (11)
6: Stony Brook Seawolves (6)
7: New Hampshire Wildcats (10)
8: Old Dominion Monarchs (2)
9: Indiana State Sycamores (16)
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (15)
11: Wofford Terriers (7)
12: Montana State Bobcats (8)
13: Youngstown State Penguins (9)
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers (13)
15: Indiana State Sycamores (27)
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats (14)
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks (12)
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (22)
19: Albany Great Danes (19)
20: Harvard Crimson (17)
21: Towson Tigers (18)
22: Villanova Wildcats (29)
23: Tennessee State Tigers (23)
24: Central Arkansas Bears (24)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (25)

Dropped: Samford, McNeese
SHSU wins 41-0 on the road and they drop two spots in your poll?

[BEAR]

24
: Central Arkansas Bears (24)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (25)

Dropped: Samford, McNeese

UCA wins against a higher ranked opponent and they stay the same?




Sorry...just following a Bearkat lead...xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

How in the hell can you North Dakota guys have so damn much trouble quoting a post?

Holy fiddlesticks.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

How in the hell can you North Dakota guys have so damn much trouble quoting a post?

Holy fiddlesticks.

I'm guessing it got bollocksed up on one post and they just keep re-quoting so some of the meta-data sticks around.


Speaking as a North Dakota guy.

[LehighU11]

ISU-B's win was so good they jumped ahead of SDSU twice? xconfusedxxlolx

On further evaluation, I do realize the first ISU-B was apparently ranked 16 in your previous poll so I guess only one of the ISU-B teams jumped SDSU.

I'm assuming one of those is ISU-R.

Crap, that's the first time I've made that mistake and I'm always careful with the Sycamores and Redbirds. Wasn't caught by the poll committee either. The Illinois State Redbirds were intended to be number 9 and were 16th last week xrolleyesx

[MSUBobcat]

You do realize SBU barely beat Coastal this week? They escaped Colgate a couple weeks ago. I have no idea how this pertains to anything I said. Are you saying SBU is overrated? That's a whole different conversation.

What is MSU's margin of victory this year when you take out UNC and Chadron St? Their margin of victory w/o those 2 games is 5.8 points, which includes a 3 pt loss to the new #1 team in the nation. On top of that, like I said previously, I think Drake, SFA, SUU and possibly UC-D beat Princeton and Fordham if they had them at home, as Lehigh did.

MSU lucks out by dodging NAU and Cal Poly this year. They might enter the playoffs with as many Top 25 wins as Lehigh and or Colgate, zero. This may be true, but I think a good many of MSU's opponents would get top 40 consideration, while Lehigh's opponents... not so much.

xtwocentsx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm guessing it got bollocksed up on one post and they just keep re-quoting so some of the meta-data sticks around.


Speaking as a North Dakota guy.

Oh yeah, I know how it starts. I just don't know how it can continue like that. At some point you look at what you were quoting and go "HEY WAIT A MINUTE! There is no second quote box", or" lookie here there is an extra quote box that I need to get rid of here!":D

[LehighU11]

24

UCA wins against a higher ranked opponent and they stay the same?




Sorry...just following a Bearkat lead...xlolx

I've been pretty high on UCA all year, having them anywhere from 20-25 all but two weeks. I kept them at 24 due to Villanova and ISU-blue entering with wins over top 3 teams on the road, and with a 7-0 TSU just ahead. 4 D1 wins played a factor there. If they win out, they'll be a good bit higher for me.

Solid win for SHSU, but not sold on them yet. Like my own team, Lehigh, I think too much of last year's record is being taken into account by others. Note that I dropped 7-0 Lehigh 5 places after a sloppy road win. I moved App State and ISU Sycamores ahead of SHSU this week. App State has 2 quality top 25 wins and 5 D1 wins, compared to SHSU's 3 against teams that are 4-14 combined. ISU just beat NDSU in the Fargodome and has one more D1 win than the Bearkats. Hope that explains my reasoning, Nickels.

[Professor Chaos]

Oh yeah, I know how it starts. I just don't know how it can continue like that. At some point you look at what you were quoting and go "HEY WAIT A MINUTE! There is no second quote box", or" lookie here there is an extra quote box that I need to get rid of here!":D
To quote Lakes... "it must be because of all the oil money"

[eagle07]

How in the hell can you North Dakota guys have so damn much trouble quoting a post?

Holy fiddlesticks.

fiddlesticks, well done sir

fiddlestick [ˈfɪdəlˌstɪk]
n
1. (Music / Instruments) Informal a violin bow
2. any meaningless or inconsequential thing; trifle
fiddlesticks! an expression of annoyance or disagreement

[ngineer]

What's that have to do with anything? If UD was in the poll, like they were in the TSN poll I'd have them at "too high" as well. You can see I commented that way in that thread earlier today.

My poll is posted for public view, I believe on the 2nd page of this thread, I have UD unranked, I have Lehigh at #21. I have them there because they've played a very weak schedule & have had some squeakers against teams that simply just aren't very good. Either beat somebody good or start to win some games where you're resting starters in the 4Q to move up.

Lehigh has been able to win consistently despite numerous self-inflicted errors and miscues. Any team that can overcome 7 turnovers and win has made a statement. Some of the alleged 'cupcakes' on the schedule have turned out to be decent, i.e. Fordham and Princeton and beating Liberty on the road in a venue and hostile atmosphere that i would rank in the top five in FCS says something as well. Polls are for those who look for style points. Had Lehigh won all their games by 14-20 points, then I would say they should be in the top 3, so imo, a 13 ranking is modest.

[Vitojr130]

Oh yeah, I know how it starts. I just don't know how it can continue like that. At some point you look at what you were quoting and go "HEY WAIT A MINUTE! There is no second quote box", or" lookie here there is an extra quote box that I need to get rid of here!":D

Haha you would think it works that way, but not when I'm about to fly out the door to get groceries to stuff my empty stomach.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Haha you would think it works that way, but not when I'm about to fly out the door to get groceries to stuff my empty stomach.

Apology accepted.

[MSUBobcat]

Lehigh has been able to win consistently despite numerous self-inflicted errors and miscues. Any team that can overcome 7 turnovers and win has made a statement. Some of the alleged 'cupcakes' on the schedule have turned out to be decent, i.e. Fordham and Princeton and beating Liberty on the road in a venue and hostile atmosphere that i would rank in the top five in FCS says something as well. Polls are for those who look for style points. Had Lehigh won all their games by 14-20 points, then I would say they should be in the top 3, so imo, a 13 ranking is modest.

Aye carumba. Fordham and Princeton are DECENT. Lehigh beat both by 3 at home. Given their schedule, if they had won all their games by 14-20, then I would say they should be 13, probably even a touch higher. Since they scrape by decent to below decent teams, many times at home, 13 isn't modest, it's overrated. If we are going to use the self-inflicted woes and miscues card, MSU should be ranked right behind EWU given that we spotted them well over the 3 points we lost by. However, great teams don't make those mistakes in the first place.

[Mr. C]

Decent poll this week:

Too high: Stony Brook (#7, really??) and Lehigh

Too Low: Northern Arizona

I doubt that Delaware wants any part of Stony Brook right now.

[mainejeff]

Decent poll this week:

Too high: Stony Brook (#7, really??) and Lehigh

Too Low: Northern Arizona

Also too low: UNH

[Fear the Bird]

I doubt that Delaware wants any part of Stony Brook right now.

What does that have to do with anything? B/c a Delaware poster (who clearly states in other polls where UD is ranked that they are TOO HIGH) says Stony Brook isn't the 7th best team in the country, that means Delaware is better?

Give it up already - all of us Blue Hens fans have stated time and time again that we do not deserve to be ranked

[danefan]

What does that have to do with anything? B/c a Delaware poster (who clearly states in other polls where UD is ranked that they are TOO HIGH) says Stony Brook isn't the 7th best team in the country, that means Delaware is better?

Give it up already - all of us Blue Hens fans have stated time and time again that we do not deserve to be ranked

This line of thinking is pervasive on the board this year and I'm not sure I've ever seen it before.

Albany fans say something about another team's ranking and all of sudden the response is directed towards Albany. Same goes in the above for Delaware fans. Dane96 made a comment about the SLC in trouble for an at-large due to weak resumes and the response was "You want a weak resume? Look at Albany".

Why has this become commonplace? Just because you critique another team does not mean you are doing it to advance your own favorite team. This is a place for national FCS discussion. Its not automatically homerville.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Im surprised that nobody (hopefully danefan or dane96 are over their headaches from me explaining one of my methodologies used in ranking teams) has gone off about my ballot the last couple weeks

[danefan]

Im surprised that nobody (hopefully danefan or dane96 are over their headaches from me explaining one of my methodologies used in ranking teams) has gone off about my ballot the last couple weeks

Your methodology is still ridiculous and your ballot has pretty big flaws.


Here's my ballot for this week:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Cal Poly Mustangs
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Towson Tigers
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Youngstown State Penguins

To start - YSU is way too low.

Albany should not be ranked in the Top 15 based on the last two weeks of performances. We're a Top 18-25 team right now. Albany definitely shouldn't be ranked above SBU or YSU. Sam Houston is way too high and Lehigh doesn't have a Top 15 resume let alone #6

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This line of thinking is pervasive on the board this year and I'm not sure I've ever seen it before.

Albany fans say something about another team's ranking and all of sudden the response is directed towards Albany. Same goes in the above for Delaware fans. Dane96 made a comment about the SLC in trouble for an at-large due to weak resumes and the response was "You want a weak resume? Look at Albany".

Why has this become commonplace? Just because you critique another team does not mean you are doing it to advance your own favorite team. This is a place for national FCS discussion. Its not automatically homerville.

Noticed the same thing myself and I don't get it either. Instead of challenging the argument go for the opponents team...when it isn't being used as a point of reference in the argument in the first place?

A lot of us on here are a lot smarter than we've been letting on with the "My dad's tougher than your dad" style of conversation in the threads. It's befuddling to say the least.

[HensRock]

Im surprised that nobody (hopefully danefan or dane96 are over their headaches from me explaining one of my methodologies used in ranking teams) has gone off about my ballot the last couple weeks

We've given up. You're a lost cause! :D j/k

Actually, danefan summed it up pretty well. In general, it looks to me like you put more emphasis on QUANTITY of wins, rather than QUALITY. ...and Unfortunately, you're not alone in that regard. That's just my opinion - and that's why we have lots of voters.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Your methodology is still ridiculous and your ballot has pretty big flaws.



To start - YSU is way too low.

Albany should not be ranked in the Top 15 based on the last two weeks of performances. We're a Top 18-25 team right now. Albany definitely shouldn't be ranked above SBU or YSU. Sam Houston is way too high and Lehigh doesn't have a Top 15 resume let alone #6

With YSU it was really the multiplicative effect of losing back to back games. Lose a game, you drop, but I really think the loss to ISU-R was a hangover from getting pounded by NDSU (even though YSU was up 21 in the game with ISU-R). Lehigh moving up is a byproduct of their undefeated record and the sheer fact that you had (in my ballot) five of the top 12 all lose in the same weekend.

[danefan]

With YSU it was really the multiplicative effect of losing back to back games. Lose a game, you drop, but I really think the loss to ISU-R was a hangover from getting pounded by NDSU (even though YSU was up 21 in the game with ISU-R). Lehigh moving up is a byproduct of their undefeated record and the sheer fact that you had (in my ballot) five of the top 12 all lose in the same weekend.

I think you place too much emphasis on "slot voting." Just because someone wins does not mean they need to move up. Same goes for a team that loses. You have to rank the best 25 teams. A loss in-conference, especially a tough conference like the CAA, MVFC, Socon, etc.., does not always warrant a drop in the ranking, IMO.

Its not an easy analysis to do honestly every week which is why I don't vote. Its easy to slide teams up and down based on wins and losses. Its not easy to really rank.

[bjtheflamesfan]

That is a pretty fair way of looking at it HensRock...I do try not to place TOO much in it but when you see the wins number keep climbing from week to week, a team's ranking can climb along with it (much like Albany and Lehigh both have, though Lehigh did have a higher start value at the beginning of the year), and at the same time, as losses add up, the rankings can drop like a lead balloon (see: YSU)

[Dane96]

I think you place too much emphasis on "slot voting." Just because someone wins does not mean they need to move up. Same goes for a team that loses. You have to rank the best 25 teams. A loss in-conference, especially a tough conference like the CAA, MVFC, Socon, etc.., does not always warrant a drop in the ranking, IMO.

Its not an easy analysis to do honestly every week which is why I don't vote. Its easy to slide teams up and down based on wins and losses. Its not easy to really rank.

Perfect explanation. Also in fact why i moved some teams down...even though they won. For example, I dropped Lehigh about 4 slots after this weeks continuation of what has been a season of unimpressiveness. A Top 15 team should not be eeking out 3-4 point wins on a consistent basis against less than stellar competition.

[bjtheflamesfan]

As Ive said, a win is a win in my book. I only usually drop a team for a win and that is if you have teams moving up that would essentially force them down. The vast majority of people on here that are regular voters I would guess do not completely blow up their ballot from a week to week basis and essentially start with a clean sheet of paper and then rank 1-25. A loss, whether in conference or not, I would drop a team (heck, I dropped NDSU even after a loss to ISU-B this past Saturday), and if you get hammered (as YSU did two weeks ago) I drop a team more than if they lost a game by say a field goal or so...in those situations, I put a pretty high focus on how they do the next week. If you lose again, you keep dropping. If you bounce back and win the next week, youll either hold station (depending on how teams around you do) or move up, albeit not as dramatically

[danefan]

As Ive said, a win is a win in my book. I only usually drop a team for a win and that is if you have teams moving up that would essentially force them down. The vast majority of people on here that are regular voters I would guess do not completely blow up their ballot from a week to week basis and essentially start with a clean sheet of paper and then rank 1-25. A loss, whether in conference or not, I would drop a team (heck, I dropped NDSU even after a loss to ISU-B this past Saturday), and if you get hammered (as YSU did two weeks ago) I drop a team more than if they lost a game by say a field goal or so...in those situations, I put a pretty high focus on how they do the next week. If you lose again, you keep dropping. If you bounce back and win the next week, youll either hold station (depending on how teams around you do) or move up, albeit not as dramatically

What you explain is not a ranking in my opinion. Its a reflection of current week's W-L results.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Which is true, but the beauty of a poll like this is that everyone has their own way of evaluating what constitutes the "best 25 teams in the country". what may look like a negative to one voter (or one group of voters), isn't necessarily viewed that way by another voter (or group of voters), all those differing methodologies come together and (with some statistical variance) create what is I think one of the best polls in the country week by week.

Is my way flawed? Certainly. Even if you blow up your ballot from week to week, there is no 100% perfect way of evaluating who should and should not be ranked.

[danefan]

Noticed the same thing myself and I don't get it either. Instead of challenging the argument go for the opponents team...when it isn't being used as a point of reference in the argument in the first place?

A lot of us on here are a lot smarter than we've been letting on with the "My dad's tougher than your dad" style of conversation in the threads. It's befuddling to say the least.

Another example from another person who has been on this board for a long time.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?120357-Playoff-Scenario-Who-gets-in&p=1868983&viewfull=1#post1868983

[heath]

What you explain is not a ranking in my opinion. Its a reflection of current week's W-L results.

????????????aren't rankings based on W-L records?NDSU probably has the best odds of winning the championship and the majority will agree.BUT because they lost last week they drop,right? What is the correct opinion when ranking teams anyway?xconfusedx

[danefan]

????????????aren't rankings based on W-L records?NDSU probably has the best odds of winning the championship and the majority will agree.BUT because they lost last week they drop,right? What is the correct opinion when ranking teams anyway?xconfusedx

Rankings are the best 25 teams in the country. W-L is only one factor, IMO.

That is just my opinion. Opinions by definition cannot be correct or incorrect. They're just opinions.

[heath]

Rankings are the best 25 teams in the country. W-L is only one factor, IMO.

That is just my opinion. Opinions by definition cannot be correct or incorrect. They're just opinions.

You just seem to ASSume yours IS correct by questioning others. Question is,do rankings or W-L records mean more to the selection committee?

[danefan]

You just seem to ASSume yours IS correct by questioning others. Question is,do rankings or W-L records mean more to the selection committee?

No I express my opinion. If it differs from yours I have no problem saying it and I almost always caveat my statements by saying IMO or just my opinion. Take a look around.

And what is more important to the Committee is an unknown to all of us on this board.

[Engineer86]

This line of thinking is pervasive on the board this year and I'm not sure I've ever seen it before.

Albany fans say something about another team's ranking and all of sudden the response is directed towards Albany. Same goes in the above for Delaware fans. Dane96 made a comment about the SLC in trouble for an at-large due to weak resumes and the response was "You want a weak resume? Look at Albany".

Why has this become commonplace? Just because you critique another team does not mean you are doing it to advance your own favorite team. This is a place for national FCS discussion. Its not automatically homerville.

Part of the issue is that these same DU posters, post the same thing every week, ok point taken. But what makes it worse, if I recall correctly, some of the same posters did the same thing all last year. I agree it is not about Delaware, and I can see how one could view Lehigh as too high. The question is when it is a consistent cry, is it more that sharing a view on the poll?

[Engineer86]

That is a pretty fair way of looking at it HensRock...I do try not to place TOO much in it but when you see the wins number keep climbing from week to week, a team's ranking can climb along with it (much like Albany and Lehigh both have, though Lehigh did have a higher start value at the beginning of the year), and at the same time, as losses add up, the rankings can drop like a lead balloon (see: YSU)

I don't see how Lehigh can climb at all based on how they have played to date. I can see holding their own around 15, based on the year, but until they put together a full game, I just can't see climbing. I expect one loss would require them to be ineligible for top 25 votes for the rest of the year in some voters eyes. Thank god for the playoffs if that is the case.

[HensRock]

Although it probably seems that way to you, 86, Lehigh is not the only team I've "picked" on for being over-rated. I harped all over nO-D-U when they were a Top 5 even Top 3 in AGS poll. Why? Because if a team gives up 61 points in regulation, its not very good. I don't care if they won! I also don't move teams up for wins and down for losses. Every game has 1 winner and one loser. I beleive you have to look at how the team played. I watched UNI play Wisconsin. That was a Top 5 FCS performance that I saw and I ranked them accordingly. I had Lehigh ranked preseason and I had them ranked in my first 2 weekly ballots. But eeking out 2 and 3 point wins over weak competition will make me drop a team, not move them up. I dropped Delaware for the same reason. I dropped UD completely out of my Top 25 after week 2 - they were 2-0 at the time. It took me 3 games to drop Lehigh from my Top 25. (I actually brought UD back into my Top 25 later after the W&M win because I thought they looked very good in that win - but I took them right back out the following week after only their first loss - not because they lost, but because of how poorly they played.)

Way too much emphasis is placed on W-L record.
Hypothetical question here:
#1 plays #2 on a neutral field. #1 wins by 1 point in triple OT. Should #2 drop in the standings? I say emphatically, NO! In fact I think it JUSTIFIES and SOLIDIFIES their selection at #2. The outcome was exactly what you should expect for two closely ranked teams. Instead, many here would view that as black and white - a win and a loss. There are shades of gray in football scores.

BTW, I kept NDSU #1 in my ballot this week. Yes, they had an uh-oh against a lesser team - it happens. I still think they are the best team in FCS.

[BisonBacker]

Noticed the same thing myself and I don't get it either. Instead of challenging the argument go for the opponents team...when it isn't being used as a point of reference in the argument in the first place?

A lot of us on here are a lot smarter than we've been letting on with the "My dad's tougher than your dad" style of conversation in the threads. It's befuddling to say the least.

Befuddling and fiddlesticks in the same thread. Kudo's to you my friend well played!

[Nickels]

Although it probably seems that way to you, 86, Lehigh is not the only team I've "picked" on for being over-rated. I harped all over nO-D-U when they were a Top 5 even Top 3 in AGS poll. Why? Because if a team gives up 61 points in regulation, its not very good. I don't care if they won! I also don't move teams up for wins and down for losses. Every game has 1 winner and one loser. I beleive you have to look at how the team played. I watched UNI play Wisconsin. That was a Top 5 FCS performance that I saw and I ranked them accordingly. I had Lehigh ranked preseason and I had them ranked in my first 2 weekly ballots. But eeking out 2 and 3 point wins over weak competition will make me drop a team, not move them up. I dropped Delaware for the same reason. I dropped UD completely out of my Top 25 after week 2 - they were 2-0 at the time. It took me 3 games to drop Lehigh from my Top 25. (I actually brought UD back into my Top 25 later after the W&M win because I thought they looked very good in that win - but I took them right back out the following week after only their first loss - not because they lost, but because of how poorly they played.)

Way too much emphasis is placed on W-L record.
Hypothetical question here:
#1 plays #2 on a neutral field. #1 wins by 1 point in triple OT. Should #2 drop in the standings? I say emphatically, NO! In fact I think it JUSTIFIES and SOLIDIFIES their selection at #2. The outcome was exactly what you should expect for two closely ranked teams. Instead, many here would view that as black and white - a win and a loss. There are shades of gray in football scores.

BTW, I kept NDSU #1 in my ballot this week. Yes, they had an uh-oh against a lesser team - it happens. I still think they are the best team in FCS.
xbowx i agree entirely

[Fear the Bird]

Part of the issue is that these same DU posters, post the same thing every week, ok point taken. But what makes it worse, if I recall correctly, some of the same posters did the same thing all last year. I agree it is not about Delaware, and I can see how one could view Lehigh as too high. The question is when it is a consistent cry, is it more that sharing a view on the poll?

DU? Dayton?

[superman7515]

DU? Dayton?

Duquesne

[danefan]

Duquesne

Davidson

[MTfan4life]

Davidson

Drexel

[bjtheflamesfan]

Do they even HAVE football there MT?

[MSUBobcat]

Drexel

Dartmouth - snobby Ivy leaguers always looking down their noses at the PL.xsmhx

[MTfan4life]

Do they even HAVE football there MT?

Exactly the point.

[superman7515]

Dartmouth - snobby Ivy leaguers always looking down their noses at the PL.xsmhx

Dubuque. Superiority complex ever since they won the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference last season.

[MSUBobcat]

Dubuque. Superiority complex ever since they won the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference last season.

Hey now. Winning the IIAC would give anyone a superiority complex.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Dubuque. Superiority complex ever since they won the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference last season.

Don't worry Coe beat them at home last weekend.

[Fear the Bird]

Don't worry Coe beat them at home last weekend.

Fred Jackson!

[MSUBobcat]

Don't worry Coe beat them at home last weekend.

I knew David Allen Coe is a bada$$ but to single handedly beat the defending IIAC champs!?!?! xbowx

[WrenFGun]

????????????aren't rankings based on W-L records?NDSU probably has the best odds of winning the championship and the majority will agree.BUT because they lost last week they drop,right? What is the correct opinion when ranking teams anyway?xconfusedx

To answer your question, no, rankings are not based on W-L records. Hope that clears things up.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

To answer your question, no, rankings are not based solely on W-L records. Hope that clears things up.

FIFY xthumbsupx

[superman7515]

I knew David Allen Coe is a bada$$ but to single handedly beat the defending IIAC champs!?!?! xbowx

He was hysterical on In Living Color!

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles2/1471720/article_images/headline_1240170369.jpg

[UNIFanSince1983]

Fred Jackson!

My freshman year at Coe was his senior year and he and his twin brother lived down the hall from me. He is a great guy, and I have never seen anyone work as hard as he did.