AGS Top 25 - Week 6 Poll Results

[AGSPoll]

1 North Dakota State Bison 2447 97
2 Old Dominion Monarchs 2157
3 Montana State Bobcats 2143
4 James Madison Dukes 2034
5 Wofford Terriers 2003
6 Eastern Washington Eagles 1969
7 Georgia Southern Eagles 1754
8 Youngstown State Penguins 1699
9 Cal Poly Mustangs 1599
10 Stony Brook Seawolves 1594
11 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1397
12 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1299
13 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1198
14 New Hampshire Wildcats 1137
15 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 1080
16 Illinois State Redbirds 933
17 Albany Great Danes 862
18 Towson Tigers 785
19 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 658
20 Central Arkansas Bears 622
21 Tennessee State Tigers 441
22 Samford Bulldogs 365
23 McNeese State Cowboys 360
24 Harvard Crimson 317
25 Northern Iowa Panthers 208

The Most Significant Win Goes To:
North Dakota State Bison

The Most Significant Loss Goes To:
Youngstown State Penguins

26 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 162
27 The Citadel Bulldogs 118
28 Indiana State Sycamores 97
29 Richmond Spiders 88
30 Montana Grizzlies 56
31 Sacramento State Hornets 49
32 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 48
33 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 43
34 Villanova Wildcats 31
35 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 21
36 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 19
37 Liberty Flames 12
38 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 11
39 South Dakota Coyotes 9
40 Drake Bulldogs 7

[JSUBison]

1 North Dakota State Bison 2447 97
2 Old Dominion Monarchs 2157
3 Montana State Bobcats 2143
4 James Madison Dukes 2034
5 Wofford Terriers 2003
6 Eastern Washington Eagles 1969
7 Georgia Southern Eagles 1754
8 Youngstown State Penguins 1699
9 Cal Poly Mustangs 1599
10 Stony Brook Seawolves 1594
11 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1397
12 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1299
13 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1198
14 New Hampshire Wildcats 1137
15 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 1080
16 Illinois State Redbirds 933
17 Albany Great Danes 862
18 Towson Tigers 785
19 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 658
20 Central Arkansas Bears 622
21 Tennessee State Tigers 441
22 Samford Bulldogs 365
23 McNeese State Cowboys 360
24 Harvard Crimson 317
25 Northern Iowa Panthers 208

The Most Significant Win Goes To:
North Dakota State Bison

The Most Significant Loss Goes To:
Youngstown State Penguins

26 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 162
27 The Citadel Bulldogs 118
28 Indiana State Sycamores 97
29 Richmond Spiders 88
30 Montana Grizzlies 56
31 Sacramento State Hornets 49
32 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 48
33 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 43
34 Villanova Wildcats 31
35 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 21
36 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 19
37 Liberty Flames 12
38 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 11
39 South Dakota Coyotes 9
40 Drake Bulldogs 7

It goes without saying that this is better than the Coaches Poll. Coaches have Poly at 14, WTF? Highlighted teams are just xsmhx

[Professor Chaos]

Only a small complaint, I think EWU and Cal Poly should be ranked ahead of Wofford based on what they've shown so far.

[crusader11]

Here is my shot at it, feel free to critique...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Georgia Southern Eagles
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Towson Tigers
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

[Go Apps]

Uhhhh How is Citadel still ranked and no Samford???

[BEAR]

xbowx Yay! My bears move up to #20! Way to go BEARS! xdontknowx

[GATA_Eagles]

Uhhhh How is Citadel still ranked and no Samford???

Samford is at 22

[asucrutch23]

Uhhhh How is Citadel still ranked and no Samford???

Huh? Samford is at 22 and The Citadel is in the ORV...

[Fear the Bird]

Here is my shot at it, feel free to critique...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Georgia Southern Eagles
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Towson Tigers
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Swap Samford for Citadel and decent poll

[Go Apps]

Sorry was looking at the second top 25 post

[crusader11]

Swap Samford for Citadel and decent poll

I really struggled with that one, but do you base the poll off of one game or the entire season? Despite being 3-3, I still think that The Citadel's overall resume is better than Samford's (even with Samford crushing them head to head). Maybe silly, I know, but I believe that their wins against App State and Georgia Southern have to count for something.

[stevdock]

Just curious were there actually 98 votes?? NDSU's 97 times 25 = 2425 and it says NDSU has 2447. So my guess is 97 first and a 4 would equal the 2447. Not that it's a big deal either way but has more to do with the validity of the poll.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Here is my shot at it, feel free to critique...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Georgia Southern Eagles
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Towson Tigers
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Homer complaint, SDSU handled Indiana State at their place. I'd swap those 2 around. But overall, looks fine to me!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

This is what I thought.

I basically start by taking the losses and moving them down to the place I think that makes them then fill in the rest/move up where appropriate.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Wofford Terriers
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Towson Tigers
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[bjtheflamesfan]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: The Citadel Bulldogs
19: Towson Tigers
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Indiana State Sycamores

In retrospect I probably should have reversed Samford and The Citadel as well

[Jacked_Rabbit]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Towson Tigers
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Appalachian State Mountaineers
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Albany Great Danes

[superman7515]

Just curious were there actually 98 votes?? NDSU's 97 times 25 = 2425 and it says NDSU has 2447. So my guess is 97 first and a 4 would equal the 2447. Not that it's a big deal either way but has more to do with the validity of the poll.

Teams with only 1 first place vote, as long as it isn't a homer vote, are given the points but aren't shown as getting a first place vote. So there were at least 98 ballots and someone else got a #1, but they were the only #1 vote that team got.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Teams with only 1 first place vote, as long as it isn't a homer vote, are given the points but aren't shown as getting a first place vote. So there were at least 98 ballots and someone else got a #1, but they were the only #1 vote that team got.

Let me guess, Cal Poly?!

[superman7515]

Let me guess, Cal Poly?!

No idea and no way I'm taking the time to do the math on everyone, haha.

[frozennorth]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Youngstown State Penguins --> still has one of the best, if not the best set of wins in the fcs. went back and forth with ewu and ysu for 5th.
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers --> will rise once they beat some better teams.
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats -->
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana State Bobcats --> still hasn't put up a dominant performance
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Illinois State Redbirds --> siu has shown a pulse this year, but jesus xasswhipx
15: Northern Iowa Panthers --> i believe in the 'how good is your team' ratings, not 'whats your win/loss' They are probably better than 15th, but i voted them lower to not anger the AGS gods
16: Old Dominion Monarchs --> thusfar have a pair of 1 score wins and have no defense. would love to see them in the fargodome xrotatehx
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks --> this is not last yeat's lehigh
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Richmond Spiders

next team out: indiana state

[SU DOG]

I really struggled with that one, but do you base the poll off of one game or the entire season? Despite being 3-3, I still think that The Citadel's overall resume is better than Samford's (even with Samford crushing them head to head). Maybe silly, I know, but I believe that their wins against App State and Georgia Southern have to count for something.

Those were great wins for The Citadel, and I cannot explain what has happened. With all due respect to the other Bulldogs, however, Samford totally dominated this game maybe even worse than the score shows. The Citadel is nowhere near as good a team right now as Samford is.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

It goes without saying that this is better than the Coaches Poll. Coaches have Poly at 14, WTF? Highlighted teams are just xsmhx

Agreed, JSU. If you have the USD Coyotes in your Top 25, I want some of whatever you're having... And your ballot should be thrown out, burnt, or dipped in acid.

[frozennorth]

can someone please logically justify ranking GSU or especially shsu or app state ahead of YSU? YSU got ripped apart in the dome to the runaway #1 team but still beat albany, uni, and pitt, asu is 4-2 and lost big to 3-3 citadel at home. shsu has no wins over ranked teams and already lost to a team not ranked #1

[bluehenbillk]

How is UNI ranked? You people need your sanity checked.

Anyway, the CS.com poll is the best this week. That poll & AGS continue to outperform both TSN & the coaches.

[FargoBison]

My ballot....feel free to rip away at it...
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Albany Great Danes
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Towson Tigers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[NoDak 4 Ever]

How is UNI ranked? You people need your sanity checked.

Anyway, the CS.com poll is the best this week. That poll & AGS continue to outperform both TSN & the coaches.

Why? because it still throws a bone to Delaware?

[bluehenbillk]

Here's this weeks correct answers (my poll):

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Cal Poly Mustangs
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Appalachian State Mountaineers
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[Screamin_Eagle174]

My ballot....feel free to rip away at it...
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Albany Great Danes
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Towson Tigers
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Indiana State Sycamores

Looks great. Very similar to mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Albany Great Danes
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Towson Tigers

[UNH Fanboi]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Youngstown State Penguins --> still has one of the best, if not the best set of wins in the fcs. went back and forth with ewu and ysu for 5th.
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers --> will rise once they beat some better teams.
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats -->
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana State Bobcats --> still hasn't put up a dominant performance
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Illinois State Redbirds --> siu has shown a pulse this year, but jesus xasswhipx
15: Northern Iowa Panthers --> i believe in the 'how good is your team' ratings, not 'whats your win/loss' They are probably better than 15th, but i voted them lower to not anger the AGS gods
16: Old Dominion Monarchs --> thusfar have a pair of 1 score wins and have no defense. would love to see them in the fargodome xrotatehx
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks --> this is not last yeat's lehigh
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Richmond Spiders

next team out: indiana state

ODU's one-score win over Richmond was not as close as the score would indicate. They were up 45-17 in the 4th until Richmond got a pick-6. The outcome of that game was never in doubt.

[asumike83]

My Top 25:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Towson Tigers
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Albany Great Danes
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

Last teams out: Indiana State, Richmond

(Upon further review, I would put NAU ahead of App. Otherwise, I like it.)

[Sammy94]

Here is mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Towson Tigers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Harvard Crimson
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Indiana State Sycamores

I'm feeling pretty good about this one. Albany's win over Maine looks better after this weekend. I'm not sure what's going on with Towson, but I'll revisit them if they can take out Maine and 'Nova.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Huh...no wailing and gnashing of teeth from Albany fans this week...

[paward]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Harvard Crimson
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Indiana State Sycamores

I'm feeling pretty good about this one. Albany's win over Maine looks better after this weekend. I'm not sure what's going on with Towson, but I'll revisit them if they can take out Maine and 'Nova.

This inquiring mind would love to know where are you ranking the blue hens on your list? FWIW I had Richmond two weeks back on mine for one week. I just can not pull the trigger on my poll for my team just yet.

[bluehenbillk]

Why? because it still throws a bone to Delaware?

The fact that UD is ranked in TSN & the Coaches poll is sad. CS & AGS have them unranked where they belong. I only had 3 CAA teams in my poll this week - probably the fewest ever.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

This inquiring mind would love to know where are you ranking the blue hens on your list? FWIW I had Richmond two weeks back on mine for one week. I just can not pull the trigger on my poll for my team just yet.

I'd put UD somewhere in the nebulous 26-30 range. I don't think the game vs Maine was indicative of the quality of this team - it seemed that anything that could go wrong did go wrong in that game. A bye week and a chance to rest, heal some battered up players, and work on some fundamentals in practice will do wonders for this team. I think the the rest of the season will hinge on whether or not the O-line can come together. The D is actually doing fairly well, thery're just being left on the field for far too long because our offense doesn't have the time to get off any passes or the push to gain steady rush yards.

[URMite]

ODU's one-score win over Richmond was not as close as the score would indicate. They were up 45-17 in the 4th until Richmond got a pick-6. The outcome of that game was never in doubt.

I know you meant this as a positive for ODU, which I do agree with. but I disgree with the last statement. Although the game wasn't as close as the score indicated, UR got the pick-6 to start the 4th qtr then scored twice more. Therefore down 1 score with 6:40 left after ODU had only scored once in the past 23:20 did mean the game was in doubt. Maybe it shouldn't have been but one more stop would have given us the ball with plenty of time to tie. Instead it ended with ODU in position to score.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my stab at it this week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Towson Tigers
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Harvard Crimson
25: McNeese State Cowboys

The Waiting List: Indiana St, Delaware, The Citadel, Eastern Kentucky, Richmond, Sacramento St, Montana, Villanova, Alabama A&M

[UNH Fanboi]

97*25 = 2425. That means a single voter did not pick NDSU at #1, and they ranked NDSU at 4. Will he reveal himself? Probably the same guy who had NDSuU ranked 11th last week. Edit: nvm, someone already did the math.

[HensRock]

Mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: Towson Tigers
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Harvard Crimson
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: Towson Tigers
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Harvard Crimson
25: McNeese State Cowboys

EWU & Cal Poly go 2-3, but Montana St. is 17 - why is that? Just not a believer in the Bobcats?

I haven't seen Chatty ranked in many, if any, of other polls. Probably a good place to substitute SDSU. :D

[darell1976]

Here is mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Wofford Terriers
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Georgia Southern Eagles
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Towson Tigers
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Harvard Crimson
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I knocked Youngstown down more than most. Also have UTM instead of Tenn. State ranked, and have Richmond ranked instead of Nova.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Wofford Terriers
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Sacramento State Hornets
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Towson Tigers
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: The Citadel Bulldogs
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[OhioHen]

97*25 = 2425. That means a single voter did not pick NDSU at #1, and they ranked NDSU at 4. Will he reveal himself? Probably the same guy who had NDSuU ranked 11th last week. Edit: nvm, someone already did the math.

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.

Whatever turns you on, dude.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.

RESPECT for owning it and explaining your reasoning... If you have blinders on (to a certain extent) and use this as your only factor, I suppose it does make some sense.

[Ivytalk]

Good-looking poll. Nice to see Harvard get in at last.:) Some of the once-mighty have fallen quite hard.

[JMUNJ08]

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.

If you put it that way, yes. UNI has shown they are better than no one they played yet... Did you have them low to start the year in your system or does that not count now?

[Professor Chaos]

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.
And who has proven more against a better schedule? If you're referring to Wofford, JMU, Montana St, or ODU you're mistaken. EWU or Cal Poly are two teams I could see as being arguable but that's about it and it would be a flimsy argument if you ask me.

[gotts]

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.

Does defense (points allowed) factor in at all in your ranking system?

[Neighbor2]

It's obvious Delaware fans can't stand Lehigh. That's OK, since Lehigh doesn't like Delaware. Why, oh why, are these two schools not playing each other every year?

FU, Hens.

[DJKyR0]

Snipe away as you wish. NDSU hasn't exactly built their case against a stellar schedule and that hurts them in my ranking system.

Aside from Youngstown State, the 2012 Bison have beaten four teams with a total of 4 wins (only 3 against Division I competition). Those teams are a combined 4-14 against teams not named North Dakota State. The win over YSU helped significantly, but not enough to boost them to #1 for me.

Simply out of curiosity, who's your #1 and who are they undefeated against that's been so incredible?

[MTfan4life]

Does defense (points allowed) factor in at all in your ranking system?

I'm not going to defend his system. However, when he's used the argument that the Bison have played a weak schedule, of course points allowed are going to be nullified by the schedule argument.

[Engineer86]

My Top 25:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Towson Tigers
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Albany Great Danes
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

Last teams out: Indiana State, Richmond

(Upon further review, I would put NAU ahead of App. Otherwise, I like it.)

Not bad, but I would put Richmond in at 24 or 25

[Engineer86]

Mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: Towson Tigers
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Harvard Crimson
25: McNeese State Cowboys

2-3 Towson at 10, a resume of a 3 pt win over W&M at home and a win vs St Francis PA

[MTfan4life]

My take on things:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Towson Tigers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Tennessee State Tigers
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Albany Great Danes
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Harvard Crimson
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Samford Bulldogs

[penguinpower]

Penguin fans like Lehigh, especially engineers.

[Neighbor2]

Penguin fans like Lehigh, especially engineers.

You're another one, penguinpower. Lehigh should be coming to Stambaugh and kicking your arse now and then. By the way, you made me VERY FCS proud when you beat Pitt. Thanks!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

My stab...

1: NDSU Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Sam Houston State Bearkats
18: Harvard Crimson
19: Tennessee State Tigers
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Montana Grizzlies

[BisonBohl]

-OhioHen,

If I may where did you rank NDSU to start the season? You currently have them at #4, so i am assuming you have dropped them from the start of the season...

Anyways I question your system since it concluded the citadel as the #1 team in week 2.

[Walkon79]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Youngstown State Penguins --> still has one of the best, if not the best set of wins in the fcs. went back and forth with ewu and ysu for 5th.
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers --> will rise once they beat some better teams.
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats -->
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana State Bobcats --> still hasn't put up a dominant performance
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Illinois State Redbirds --> siu has shown a pulse this year, but jesus xasswhipx
15: Northern Iowa Panthers --> i believe in the 'how good is your team' ratings, not 'whats your win/loss' They are probably better than 15th, but i voted them lower to not anger the AGS gods
16: Old Dominion Monarchs --> thusfar have a pair of 1 score wins and have no defense. would love to see them in the fargodome xrotatehx
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks --> this is not last yeat's lehigh
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Richmond Spiders

next team out: indiana state

So when we beat Eastern this week we'll be what? 10th.

you're hilarious!!!!

[Walkon79]

Just keep winning ugly I guess!!

[LehighU11]

Mine. Those dropped were Eastern Kentucky (21), Delaware (22), and Montana (25).
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Towson Tigers
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

[Fear the Bird]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Towson Tigers
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[putter]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Georgia Southern Eagles
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Towson Tigers
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[DSUrocks07]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Cal Poly Mustangs
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Towson Tigers
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Sam Houston State Bearkats
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Samford Bulldogs

[Seawolf97]

I will take 10th in this poll. Need Army and Syacuse to keep winning and of course SBU has to win going forward.

[CopperCat]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Youngstown State Penguins --> still has one of the best, if not the best set of wins in the fcs. went back and forth with ewu and ysu for 5th.
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers --> will rise once they beat some better teams.
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats -->
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana State Bobcats --> still hasn't put up a dominant performance
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Illinois State Redbirds --> siu has shown a pulse this year, but jesus xasswhipx
15: Northern Iowa Panthers --> i believe in the 'how good is your team' ratings, not 'whats your win/loss' They are probably better than 15th, but i voted them lower to not anger the AGS gods
16: Old Dominion Monarchs --> thusfar have a pair of 1 score wins and have no defense. would love to see them in the fargodome xrotatehx
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks --> this is not last yeat's lehigh
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Richmond Spiders

next team out: indiana state

Your distaste for MSU is noted. But they are still 6-0, and there is no ignoring that. I'd be curious to see where you would put them if they beat EWU this weekend.

[CopperCat]

Just keep winning ugly I guess!!

It's hilarious to me that when UM was doing the same thing a couple years back nobody was penalizing them for it.

Winning is winning.

[Professor Chaos]

It's hilarious to me that when UM was doing the same thing a couple years back nobody was penalizing them for it.

Winning is winning.
You guys are #3 so it's not like you have a lot to complain about. There are plenty of us that are giving Montana St credit in our ballots. Certain voters may not value you as high has others but with 98 ballot it all balances out in the end.

[frozennorth]

So when we beat Eastern this week we'll be what? 10th.

you're hilarious!!!!

what the **** have you done to deserve to be any higher?


Your distaste for MSU is noted. But they are still 6-0, and there is no ignoring that. I'd be curious to see where you would put them if they beat EWU this weekend.

depending on margin and assuming 1-5 don't do anything to drop, probably around 6th

[ngineer]

Your distaste for MSU is noted. But they are still 6-0, and there is no ignoring that. I'd be curious to see where you would put them if they beat EWU this weekend.

Seems like we have a lot in common this season in the beauty pagent. Got you #2 in my poll.

[CorrosionDoc]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Youngstown State Penguins --> still has one of the best, if not the best set of wins in the fcs. went back and forth with ewu and ysu for 5th.
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers --> will rise once they beat some better teams.
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats -->
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Montana State Bobcats --> still hasn't put up a dominant performance
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Towson Tigers
14: Illinois State Redbirds --> siu has shown a pulse this year, but jesus xasswhipx
15: Northern Iowa Panthers --> i believe in the 'how good is your team' ratings, not 'whats your win/loss' They are probably better than 15th, but i voted them lower to not anger the AGS gods
16: Old Dominion Monarchs --> thusfar have a pair of 1 score wins and have no defense. would love to see them in the fargodome xrotatehx
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks --> this is not last yeat's lehigh
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Richmond Spiders

next team out: indiana state

OK, so 6 MVFC teams in your top 26, including UNI at 15? Whew, I was going to get offended at the low rankings of some the other teams -- now I know this was just a pro-MVFC homer poll. Carry on.

[OhioHen]

If you put it that way, yes. UNI has shown they are better than no one they played yet... Did you have them low to start the year in your system or does that not count now?

EVERYBODY starts at ZERO in my system and earns their place by who they beat.

[OhioHen]

-OhioHen,

If I may where did you rank NDSU to start the season? You currently have them at #4, so i am assuming you have dropped them from the start of the season...



NDSU started the season tied for first (and last) with every other team. No assumptions prior to games being played.

[WrenFGun]

what the **** have you done to deserve to be any higher?



depending on margin and assuming 1-5 don't do anything to drop, probably around 6th

I don't think fans understand that wins without a resume mean you're akin to being in the pioneer league. Montana State's best win is over a 2-4 SFA team that has a win over UCA. That's a fine top 25 resume, but #2 overall? This is a team that beat UNH by 1 point in the playoffs last year and then got routed by Sam Houston State. I'm not sure why they're even one of the top 2 teams in the Big Sky right now.

[HensRock]

EWU & Cal Poly go 2-3, but Montana St. is 17 - why is that? Just not a believer in the Bobcats?

I guess we'll find out this weekend.



I haven't seen Chatty ranked in many, if any, of other polls. Probably a good place to substitute SDSU. :D

You may be right. I promise to take a harder look at the Jacks next week.

[darell1976]

I don't think fans understand that wins without a resume mean you're akin to being in the pioneer league. Montana State's best win is over a 2-4 SFA team that has a win over UCA. That's a fine top 25 resume, but #2 overall? This is a team that beat UNH by 1 point in the playoffs last year and then got routed by Sam Houston State. I'm not sure why they're even one of the top 2 teams in the Big Sky right now.

Same can be said for NDSU too. 2 extremely week FCS teams (Prairie View and Robert Morris), a 0 DI win UNI, then you have YSU and Colorado State. so 2 good wins (an FBS win is a good win) and 3 bad wins (if that makes sense). But until they lose I won't put them out of the #1 spot. MSU should be in the top 5 based on winning.

[WrenFGun]

Same can be said for NDSU too. 2 extremely week FCS teams (Prairie View and Robert Morris), a 0 DI win UNI, then you have YSU and Colorado State. so 2 good wins (an FBS win is a good win) and 3 bad wins (if that makes sense). But until they lose I won't put them out of the #1 spot. MSU should be in the top 5 based on winning.

How can the same case be made when NDSU has a win over an FBS team and a team that has 1 loss? NDSU's regime (FBS win + top 10 win) is about as good as it gets at this point in the season. Montana State's resume is about as good as Lehigh's.

[Professor Chaos]

Same can be said for NDSU too. 2 extremely week FCS teams (Prairie View and Robert Morris), a 0 DI win UNI, then you have YSU and Colorado State. so 2 good wins (an FBS win is a good win) and 3 bad wins (if that makes sense). But until they lose I won't put them out of the #1 spot. MSU should be in the top 5 based on winning.
UNI on the road is a bad win? Tough crowd I guess.

[darell1976]

How can the same case be made when NDSU has a win over an FBS team and a team that has 1 loss? NDSU's regime (FBS win + top 10 win) is about as good as it gets at this point in the season. Montana State's resume is about as good as Lehigh's.

NDSU's wins... Robert Morris 1-4, Colorado State 1-5, Prairie View A&M 1-5, UNI 1-4 (win vs DII), YSU 4-1. Not including YSU...3-18 (DI games only). So again if we are going by resume...that is NOT impressive. Only the win over YSU is impressive. I give them props for CSU (any win over the FBS is a good win) but the other 4 teams...not impressive. If we want to go by who beat what...Cal Poly should be #1. Their resume is about the same as NDSU.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

NDSU's wins... Robert Morris 1-4, Colorado State 1-5, Prairie View A&M 1-5, UNI 1-4 (win vs DII), YSU 4-1. Not including YSU...3-18 (DI games only). So again if we are going by resume...that is NOT impressive. Only the win over YSU is impressive. I give them props for CSU (any win over the FBS is a good win) but the other 4 teams...not impressive. If we want to go by who beat what...Cal Poly should be #1. Their resume is about the same as NDSU.

NDSU would beat Cal Poly by 4 TDs at home and 2 on the road.

[darell1976]

NDSU would beat Cal Poly by 4 TDs at home and 2 on the road.

You may get your chance in the playoffs...I would love to see that matchup. NDSU's defense against Cal Poly's triple option.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

You may get your chance in the playoffs...I would love to see that matchup. NDSU's defense against Cal Poly's triple option.

Since last year, the triple option has scored 6.5 ppg against the Bison. xcoffeex

[darell1976]

Since last year, the triple option has scored 6.5 ppg against the Bison. xcoffeex

Damn! I wonder if your 80's Bison veer team would score more.

[Walkon79]

what the **** have you done to deserve to be any higher?

How bout WINNING 6 games!! Idiot!

[WrenFGun]

How bout WINNING 6 games!! Idiot!

If that's your only criteria you might as well join the Pioneer League. If you're a fan of a team and can't understand your week schedule makes an inflated rating questionable, I really don't understand how you can talk about rankings at all.

[WrenFGun]

NDSU's wins... Robert Morris 1-4, Colorado State 1-5, Prairie View A&M 1-5, UNI 1-4 (win vs DII), YSU 4-1. Not including YSU...3-18 (DI games only). So again if we are going by resume...that is NOT impressive. Only the win over YSU is impressive. I give them props for CSU (any win over the FBS is a good win) but the other 4 teams...not impressive. If we want to go by who beat what...Cal Poly should be #1. Their resume is about the same as NDSU.

Huh? Again, FBS win, win over an FCS team with a win @ Pittsburgh and over Albany at home, win over the best 1-4 team in the country per most people on this board, etc. The other two are cupcakes, but everyone has cupcake wins. The difference is they have some that aren't (doesn't hurt that they were ranked high pre-season and WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP last year, either -- not that they need it with their resume.)

[Walkon79]

If that's your only criteria you might as well join the Pioneer League. If you're a fan of a team and can't understand your week schedule makes an inflated rating questionable, I really don't understand how you can talk about rankings at all.

Yeah, but we're not in the Pioneer are we? We're in arguably the 1st or 2nd best conference in the land.

[Fear the Bird]

Yeah, but we're not in the Pioneer are we? We're in arguably the 1st or 2nd best conference in the land.

But have yet to get into the bulk of that conference schedule...just have some patience - you are ranked in the top 3 in most polls so a few people who aren't happy with your schedule so far this year or how they didn't really show up in the biggest game of the year will either be very right or very wrong in 3-4 weeks

[NDB]

We're in arguably the 1st or 2nd best conference in the land.



Or 4th.


.............

[I-16Bandit]

NDSU's wins... Robert Morris 1-4, Colorado State 1-5, Prairie View A&M 1-5, UNI 1-4 (win vs DII), YSU 4-1. Not including YSU...3-18 (DI games only). So again if we are going by resume...that is NOT impressive. Only the win over YSU is impressive. I give them props for CSU (any win over the FBS is a good win) but the other 4 teams...not impressive. If we want to go by who beat what...Cal Poly should be #1. Their resume is about the same as NDSU.

I was arguing this last year about both NDSU and SHSU. Both played pretty bad teams in the regular season, but come the playoffs, both did extremely well. So now, I don't make this argument anymore.

NDSU is a VERY good team this year, again. xbangx

[CopperCat]

I don't think fans understand that wins without a resume mean you're akin to being in the pioneer league. Montana State's best win is over a 2-4 SFA team that has a win over UCA. That's a fine top 25 resume, but #2 overall? This is a team that beat UNH by 1 point in the playoffs last year and then got routed by Sam Houston State. I'm not sure why they're even one of the top 2 teams in the Big Sky right now.

Looks like you're still living in the past. The UNH game doesn't mean anything at this point.

[AmsterBison]

NDSU's wins... Robert Morris 1-4, Colorado State 1-5, Prairie View A&M 1-5, UNI 1-4 (win vs DII), YSU 4-1. Not including YSU...3-18 (DI games only). So again if we are going by resume...that is NOT impressive. Only the win over YSU is impressive. I give them props for CSU (any win over the FBS is a good win) but the other 4 teams...not impressive. If we want to go by who beat what...Cal Poly should be #1. Their resume is about the same as NDSU.

Seems like every year I hear that NDSU's schedule is weak, but it's deliciously ironic to hear it from a UND fan. After all, cast your mind back to the year 2011. Remember when UND fans were adamant that a 1-2 UND team actually deserved a ranking?

Well, let's see, what were UND's wins at that point? Oh that's right... UND had ONE win, a 16-0 tour de force against Drake. Now you are calling UNI weak after they played NDSU, YSU, Wisconsin, and Iowa really tough. So UND beat Drake unconvincingly, got blown out by 30 by Idaho (The Worst Program in the FBS), and then lost to Fresno State whose only win was against... IDAHO... but somehow UND deserved a ranking, but UNI is weak? That's awesome!

[frozennorth]

Same can be said for NDSU too. 2 extremely week FCS teams (Prairie View and Robert Morris), a 0 DI win UNI, then you have YSU and Colorado State. so 2 good wins (an FBS win is a good win) and 3 bad wins (if that makes sense). But until they lose I won't put them out of the #1 spot. MSU should be in the top 5 based on winning.
the difference is that NDSU blasted it's week opponents, while MSU played patty-cake with them. Some thing applies to wofford and stony brook. They have both been winning like you would expect.

MSU started 6th in my rankings, and dropped to as low as the upper teens, and having been climbing back. I'm not sure where MSU fan's picked up this idea that they are entitled to be #2 in ever person's poll. It's not like they won a title last year, or even did anything impressive.

[WrenFGun]

Looks like you're still living in the past. The UNH game doesn't mean anything at this point.

Right ... because THAT was the bulk of my comment. I mentioned the playoffs because there are a lot of teams ranked highly based off of performances in the playoffs last year. See Stony Brook for awhile, Lehigh, etc ... it's a trend with voters. There's nothing about their current resume OR their late season performance last year that would warrant a particularly lofty ranking, IMO.

The note about being in the Big Sky is preposterous given they haven't played anyone of merit in that conference.

[Vitojr130]

Same can be said for NDSU too. 2 extremely week FCS teams (Prairie View and Robert Morris), a 0 DI win UNI, then you have YSU and Colorado State. so 2 good wins (an FBS win is a good win) and 3 bad wins (if that makes sense). But until they lose I won't put them out of the #1 spot. MSU should be in the top 5 based on winning.

Darell what were we supposed to do? Put up 100 against RMU and PVAMU? Every sensible person would see that NDSU proved the point that we are good by doing what a #1 team is supposed to do against puny competition... blow them out of the water. Was 52-0 and 66-7 (the only score coming against our 3rd string defense) not good enough for you? And that UNI team hung the same amount of points as everyone else combined, so to classify them as a *bad* win is just plain ridiculous. They are a good team put in an unfortunate scheduling conflict.

[DJKyR0]

If absolutely *****-housing the #3 team in the country didn't do enough to prove that NDSU should be the unequivocal #1 team in the country, nothing short of winning the national championship will. I wouldn't waste your time, guys.

[bjtheflamesfan]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: The Citadel Bulldogs
19: Towson Tigers
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Indiana State Sycamores

In retrospect I probably should have reversed Samford and The Citadel as well

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[Fear the Bird]

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I'll play along, although I think it's a solid poll which is why you didn't get much commentary:

Too high: Sam, Lehigh, App, Citadel
Too low: Cal Poly, Stony Brook

[bjtheflamesfan]

Thanks...I was wondering why none of the Albany fans came in with wailing and gnashing of teeth

[darell1976]

Darell what were we supposed to do? Put up 100 against RMU and PVAMU? Every sensible person would see that NDSU proved the point that we are good by doing what a #1 team is supposed to do against puny competition... blow them out of the water. Was 52-0 and 66-7 (the only score coming against our 3rd string defense) not good enough for you? And that UNI team hung the same amount of points as everyone else combined, so to classify them as a *bad* win is just plain ridiculous. They are a good team put in an unfortunate scheduling conflict.

What I was trying to get at was a win is a win (IMO) why does every team need a resume for their ranking. Slamming MSU because they played Drake close is not a reason to rank them low, but beating only a DII team while getting beat by FBS teams are (unlike Frozennorth's rankings). This team beat that team who beat that team. Come on. You win you should rise in the rankings you lose you drop. IMO it should be that simple. NDSU wins they should be #1 until they lose. UNI loses they should drop and when you drop 4 games out of 5 you don't deserve to be ranked. MSU is undefeated therefore should be ranked in the top 5 along with Cal Poly.

[darell1976]

Seems like every year I hear that NDSU's schedule is weak, but it's deliciously ironic to hear it from a UND fan. After all, cast your mind back to the year 2011. Remember when UND fans were adamant that a 1-2 UND team actually deserved a ranking?

Well, let's see, what were UND's wins at that point? Oh that's right... UND had ONE win, a 16-0 tour de force against Drake. Now you are calling UNI weak after they played NDSU, YSU, Wisconsin, and Iowa really tough. So UND beat Drake unconvincingly, got blown out by 30 by Idaho (The Worst Program in the FBS), and then lost to Fresno State whose only win was against... IDAHO... but somehow UND deserved a ranking, but UNI is weak? That's awesome!

I didn't bring UND into my conversation because this isn't about UND. This is about an FCS fan puzzled why MSU should be blasted because they played some teams close but won where NDSU blew out teams but of the same calibur. UNI has beaten only a DII team...IMO they should NOT be ranked.

[Fear the Bird]

What I was trying to get at was a win is a win (IMO) why does every team need a resume for their ranking. Slamming MSU because they played Drake close is not a reason to rank them low, but beating only a DII team while getting beat by FBS teams are (unlike Frozennorth's rankings). This team beat that team who beat that team. Come on. You win you should rise in the rankings you lose you drop. IMO it should be that simple. NDSU wins they should be #1 until they lose. UNI loses they should drop and when you drop 4 games out of 5 you don't deserve to be ranked. MSU is undefeated therefore should be ranked in the top 5 along with Cal Poly.

Yes but there are other factors, such as resume, that go into account. Otherwise Alabama A&M would be top 10, let alone top 25

[darell1976]

Yes but there are other factors, such as resume, that go into account. Otherwise Alabama A&M would be top 10, let alone top 25

So 1-4 with only a DII win should be ranked because they played and lost to tough FBS teams, and the #1 team in the FCS?

[Engineer86]

It's hilarious to me that when UM was doing the same thing a couple years back nobody was penalizing them for it.

Winning is winning.

Tell me about it!:D

[crusader11]

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Seriously?

[Engineer86]

How can the same case be made when NDSU has a win over an FBS team and a team that has 1 loss? NDSU's regime (FBS win + top 10 win) is about as good as it gets at this point in the season. Montana State's resume is about as good as Lehigh's.

Lets not get out of hand, even I would not rank Lehigh in the top Five. xlolx

[Engineer86]

I was arguing this last year about both NDSU and SHSU. Both played pretty bad teams in the regular season, but come the playoffs, both did extremely well. So now, I don't make this argument anymore.

NDSU is a VERY good team this year, again. xbangx

I did as well with SHSU and was proven wrong. I point out that the same was said about Lehigh last year and they beat the CAA champ on the road, but now this year we hear the same , you have not played anyone line.

[HensRock]

What I was trying to get at was a win is a win (IMO) why does every team need a resume for their ranking.

because without a resume, this would be your FCS Top 25:

1 Lehigh 6 0 0
2 Tennessee St. 6 0 0
3 Montana St. 6 0 0
4 Alabama A&M 6 0 0
5 Old Dominion 5 0 0
6 Cal Poly 5 0 0
7 North Dakota St. 5 0 0
8 Wofford 5 0 0
9 Harvard 4 0 0
10 Samford 5 1 0
11 Albany (NY) 5 1 0
12 Jacksonville 5 1 0
13 Stony Brook 5 1 0
14 Illinois St. 5 1 0
15 Ga. Southern 4 1 0
16 McNeese St. 4 1 0
17 Northern Ariz. 4 1 0
18 Eastern Wash. 4 1 0
19 Duquesne 4 1 0
20 Youngstown St. 4 1 0
21 South Dakota St. 4 1 0
22 Howard 4 1 0
23 James Madison 4 1 0
24 Brown 3 1 0
25 Dartmouth 3 1 0

[crusader11]

I did as well with SHSU and was proven wrong. I point out that the same was said about Lehigh last year and they beat the CAA champ on the road, but now this year we hear the same , you have not played anyone line.

No, what you're hearing is: "You have looked very pedestrian and beatable playing cupcakes"

At least last season, when Lehigh played a better schedule by the way, they clearly had a better team on the field.

[darell1976]

because without a resume, this would be your FCS Top 25:

1 Lehigh 6 0 0
2 Tennessee St. 6 0 0
3 Montana St. 6 0 0
4 Alabama A&M 6 0 0
5 Old Dominion 5 0 0
6 Cal Poly 5 0 0
7 North Dakota St. 5 0 0
8 Wofford 5 0 0
9 Harvard 4 0 0
10 Samford 5 1 0
11 Albany (NY) 5 1 0
12 Jacksonville 5 1 0
13 Stony Brook 5 1 0
14 Illinois St. 5 1 0
15 Ga. Southern 4 1 0
16 McNeese St. 4 1 0
17 Northern Ariz. 4 1 0
18 Eastern Wash. 4 1 0
19 Duquesne 4 1 0
20 Youngstown St. 4 1 0
21 South Dakota St. 4 1 0
22 Howard 4 1 0
23 James Madison 4 1 0
24 Brown 3 1 0
25 Dartmouth 3 1 0

I don't think Lehigh fans would have a problem with that. xlolx

[AmsterBison]

So 1-4 with only a DII win should be ranked because they played and lost to tough FBS teams, and the #1 team in the FCS?

At this point in the season, UNI shouldn't be ranked; that'd be just as idiotic as claiming that they're a weak team.

[Engineer86]

No, what you're hearing is: "You have looked very pedestrian and beatable playing cupcakes"

At least last season, when Lehigh played a better schedule by the way, they clearly had a better team on the field.

Fair point related to the games as a whole and outcome. We need to put it all together. In every game we have either jumped out to a 14 pt lead and laid eggs or like with Fordham fell behind by 14, went on a 24 pt run and laid more eggs.

That said, I see this team as somewhere 12-15 and I would not want to play them in the first two rounds, with a few notable exceptions who are a notch above, IMO

[darell1976]

At this point in the season, UNI shouldn't be ranked; that'd be just as idiotic as claiming that they're a weak team.

I wouldn't classify them as a strong team. At least not this year.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

No, what you're hearing is: "You have looked very pedestrian and beatable playing cupcakes"

At least last season, when Lehigh played a better schedule by the way, they clearly had a better team on the field.

I still don't see how Lehigh's schedule was better last year.

Lehigh 49 Monmouth (5-6) 24
UNH 48 (8-4) Lehigh 41 OT
Lehigh 35 Princeton 22 (1-9)
Lehigh 27 Liberty 24 (7-4), Liberty started 1-3 last year
Lehigh 37 Yale 7 (5-5)
Lehigh 30 Bucknell 6 (6-5)
Lehigh 34 Fordham 12 (1-10)
Lehigh 45 Colgate 25 (5-6)
Lehigh 14 Holy Cross 7 (6-5)
Lehigh 34 Georgetown 12 (8-3)
Lehigh 37 Lafayette 13 (4-7)

[Engineer86]

I still don't see how Lehigh's schedule was better last year.

Lehigh 49 Monmouth (5-6) 24
UNH 48 (8-4) Lehigh 41 OT
Lehigh 35 Princeton 22 (1-9)
Lehigh 27 Liberty 24 (7-4), Liberty started 1-3 last year
Lehigh 37 Yale 7 (5-5)
Lehigh 30 Bucknell 6 (6-5)
Lehigh 34 Fordham 12 (1-10)
Lehigh 45 Colgate 25 (5-6)
Lehigh 14 Holy Cross 7 (6-5)
Lehigh 34 Georgetown 12 (8-3)
Lehigh 37 Lafayette 13 (4-7)

We soundly beat Monmouth last year and UNH is a LITTLE bit better than CCSU.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

I wouldn't classify them as a strong team. At least not this year.

Really, because they've lost close games @Wisconsin, @Iowa, NDSU & @YSU?

I wonder how any other teams in the FCS would've done against those 4 teams. Best case scenario, you could possibly win a close one at YSU, and that's a really big if. I realize their record doesn't reflect that of a strong team, but I feeling we are going to find out over the remainder of the year that they are still one of the best 10-15 teams in the FCS.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

We soundly beat Monmouth last year and UNH is a LITTLE bit better than CCSU.

Yeah but Monmouth, so far, has proven to be quite a bit better. They returned something like 19/22 starters. UNH is the biggest difference. CCSU this year is as bad as Fordham or Princeton was last year.

I'm not saying this years team is as good as last year but it's not too far off. It's certainly better than the 2010 team imo.

[Engineer86]

Yeah but Monmouth, so far has proven to be quite a bit better. They returned something like 19/22 starters. UNH is the biggest difference. CCSU is this year is as bad as Fordham or Princeton was last year.

But in this world of beauty contest wins, last year other than HC those wins had plenty of make-up on. It's year we can't seem to put together a full game.

[frozennorth]

I didn't bring UND into my conversation because this isn't about UND. This is about an FCS fan puzzled why MSU should be blasted because they played some teams close but won where NDSU blew out teams but of the same calibur. UNI has beaten only a DII team...IMO they should NOT be ranked.

msu opponents thus far:

d2 chaldron state
drake 3 d1 wins in the pioneer
sfa 1 d1 win
unc winless
suu 1 d1 win
ucd 1 d1 win

6 games in msu's opponents have a combined 6 d1 wins. average margina of victory: about 10 points

rmu 1 d1 win
csu 1 d1 win (fbs)
pvam 1 d1 win
uni winless
ysu 4 d1 wins

5 opponents have 7 d1 wins. average margin of victory: 35 points. quite the difference, and thats making the assumption that UNI and CSU are the equivalent of drake and unc, which even you have to admit is contrary to reality.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

But in this world of beauty contest wins, last year other than HC those wins had plenty of make-up on. It's year we can't seem to put together a full game.

All I'm saying is Lehigh beat THREE teams with winning records last year. I'll wager money, that by the end of the year Lehigh beats more than 3 teams with winning records.

[bisonboone11]

Really, because they've lost close games @Wisconsin, @Iowa, NDSU & @YSU?

I wonder how any other teams in the FCS would've done against those 4 teams. Best case scenario, you could possibly win a close one at YSU, and that's a really big if. I realize their record doesn't reflect that of a strong team, but I feeling we are going to find out over the remainder of the year that they are still one of the best 10-15 teams in the FCS.
I have a tough time trying to decide where I feel UNI should be ranked. I don't think they will make the playoffs, which indicates they should probably be outside of the top 25. However, I don't think there are 25 teams in the FCS that are better than them. As you said, I don't think there are many teams in the FCS that would've come out of those 4 games with a W, and I doubt there are many FCS teams that would've played those teams as closely as UNI did.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I have a tough time trying to decide where I feel UNI should be ranked. I don't think they will make the playoffs, which indicates they should probably be outside of the top 25. However, I don't think there are 25 teams in the FCS that are better than them. As you said, I don't think there are many teams in the FCS that would've come out of those 4 games with a W, and I doubt there are many FCS teams that would've played those teams as closely as UNI did.

You're right that most schools would be where UNI is right now. Then again, most schools aren't dumb enough to schedule two Big 10 teams. It was UNI's decision to make $$$ the priority this year rather than scheduling with the playoffs in mind.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

I have a tough time trying to decide where I feel UNI should be ranked. I don't think they will make the playoffs, which indicates they should probably be outside of the top 25. However, I don't think there are 25 teams in the FCS that are better than them. As you said, I don't think there are many teams in the FCS that would've come out of those 4 games with a W, and I doubt there are many FCS teams that would've played those teams as closely as UNI did.

Exactly... And I brought this up in another thread, but there are a few different schools of thought on how to go about ranking teams in a situation like this. My thought process is that I include the best 25 teams in the nation in the my Top 25 rankings (shocking, I know). That's why I have UNI somewhere in the high 20's, although they probably deserve to be somewhere between 10-15 when you look at their talent, and somewhere between 35-40 if you look only at their record.

This is unique to FCS football due to the fact that the teams involved play games against a higher level of opponents in the FBS. How can you subjectively gauge a close loss on the road against a solid Big 10 team in comparison to that of a win/loss against a peer in the FCS? I don't think UNI makes the playoffs either, but that's on their athletic department for having to schedule 2 FBS's and a non-D1. Hard to feel sorry for them...

[Walkon79]

If absolutely *****-housing the #3 team in the country didn't do enough to prove that NDSU should be the unequivocal #1 team in the country, nothing short of winning the national championship will. I wouldn't waste your time, guys.

I totally agree and they should get all the first place votes, until someone proves otherwise. I just want to be on the other side of the bracket.

[WileECoyote06]

You're right that most schools would be where UNI is right now. Then again, most schools aren't dumb enough to schedule two Big 10 teams. It was UNI's decision to make $$$ the priority this year rather than scheduling with the playoffs in mind.

Correct, and if they were 5-0 against that schedule, they'd be a unanimous #1 right now. And they probably would still garner the #1 seed overall even with an in conference loss. We're six games in . . at this point, you are what your record says you are. All the strength of schedule in the world shouldn't save you when you don't have one win against a Division I foe.

[HensRock]

I don't think they [UNI] will make the playoffs, which indicates they should probably be outside of the top 25.

Being in the Top 25 and making the playoffs have nothing to do with each other.
Sure, the two sets are highly corelated, but possition in the Top 25 is not a condition for making the playoffs. So making the playoffs should not be a condition for being in the Top 25.

I have no problem ranking UNI based on the two games I have watched them play. I have them at #14.
This is because I beleive the 13 teams above them would beat them and they would beat the 107 FCS teams below them.
That should be all you consider in a Top 25 ranking.

Good teams get left out of the playoffs every year.

[malibudude]

NDSU would beat Cal Poly by 4 TDs at home and 2 on the road.

Good luck on that. Your team is very good, however Bison fans might want to dial it down a notch. We do have playoffs in the FCS.

[MarkyMark]

[QUOTE=frozennorth;1863318]msu opponents thus far:

d2 chaldron state
drake 3 d1 wins in the pioneer
sfa 1 d1 win
unc winless
suu 1 d1 win
ucd 1 d1 win

6 games in msu's opponents have a combined 6 d1 wins. average margina of victory: about 10 points.

Couldn't agree more, when you take a look at MSU's wins you can't find anything impressive. EWU and Cal Poly both have both looked impressive. I see MSU as the 3rd possibly 4th best team in the Big Sky.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

msu opponents thus far:

d2 chaldron state
drake 3 d1 wins in the pioneer
sfa 1 d1 win
unc winless
suu 1 d1 win
ucd 1 d1 win

6 games in msu's opponents have a combined 6 d1 wins. average margina of victory: about 10 points.

Couldn't agree more, when you take a look at MSU's wins you can't find anything impressive. EWU and Cal Poly both have both looked impressive. I see MSU as the 3rd possibly 4th best team in the Big Sky.

I have no idea why people are calling out Lehigh and their fringe top 10 ranking when MSU's performance to this date has been almost identical yet they're in the Top 5. At least Lehigh has 6 D1 wins. That Big Sky patch must really carry a lot of weight...

[WrenFGun]

[QUOTE=MarkyMark;1863382]

I have no idea why people are calling out Lehigh and their fringe top 10 ranking when MSU's performance to this date has been almost identical yet they're in the Top 5. At least Lehigh has 6 D1 wins. That Big Sky patch must really carry a lot of weight...

Lehigh is slightly overranked while MSU is massively overranked.

[danefan]

Thanks...I was wondering why none of the Albany fans came in with wailing and gnashing of teeth

My head still hurts from last week.

[crusader11]

We soundly beat Monmouth last year and UNH is a LITTLE bit better than CCSU.

Yes. And, Liberty was much, much better last year than they are this year.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yes. And, Liberty was much, much better last year than they are this year.

And we know that how? After 5 games last year they were 2-3 compared to 1-4 this season. The main reason they might prove to be better last year is coaching. Gill is dreadful.

[MTfan4life]

I have no idea why people are calling out Lehigh and their fringe top 10 ranking when MSU's performance to this date has been almost identical yet they're in the Top 5. At least Lehigh has 6 D1 wins. That Big Sky patch must really carry a lot of weight...

MSU's opponents record may be soft, but they haven't exactly played the sisters of the poor. MSU's opponents have poor records because they have all played brutal schedules. Looking at all of MSU's FCS opponents, the two weakest losses are to Sacramento State and Indiana State.

UC-Davis and SFA are two of the toughest 2-4 teams in the fcs. UCD has three single digit losses to top 20 opponents and an fbs loss to a 4-1 team. SFA has two close ranked FCS losses and a ranked win. Everyone has an arbitrary Pioneer league assumption of Drake, but they're better than people think. They beat USD just as much as Cal Poly and put a more dominant hurt than Harvard did. SUU has one of the best quarterbacks in the FCS. And you can't say MSU's 27 win over Chadron State should've been more dominant. D2 is just as different from top to bottom as the FCS, so you can't put a team like Fort Lewis or Central State in the same box as Chadron State. UNC is the weakest team on MSU's schedule, but even they have played a rough schedule.

[bojeta]

MSU's opponents record may be soft, but they haven't exactly played the sisters of the poor. MSU's opponents have poor records because they have all played brutal schedules. Looking at all of MSU's FCS opponents, the two weakest losses are to Sacramento State and Indiana State.

UC-Davis and SFA are two of the toughest 2-4 teams in the fcs. UCD has three single digit losses to top 20 opponents and an fbs loss to a 4-1 team. SFA has two close ranked FCS losses and a ranked win. Everyone has an arbitrary Pioneer league assumption of Drake, but they're better than people think. They beat USD just as much as Cal Poly and put a more dominant hurt than Harvard did. SUU has one of the best quarterbacks in the FCS. And you can't say MSU's 27 win over Chadron State should've been more dominant. D2 is just as different from top to bottom as the FCS, so you can't put a team like Fort Lewis or Central State in the same box as Chadron State. UNC is the weakest team on MSU's schedule, but even they have played a rough schedule.

Agree with this 100%.. Don't know if MSU will wind up being top 5 material in the end, but they are definitely a strong team.

[OhioHen]

UNI ... probably deserve to be somewhere 35-40 if you look only at their record.



Or tied for 98th with teams like North Carolina A&T and Morehead State (no, I am not saying that UNI = NCA&T - just that their RECORD is equivalent). 1-4 is NOT between 35th and 40th best based on record to date.

If the Panthers win out, they will surely be in the top 25 based on season-long success.

[HensRock]

I have no idea why people are calling out Lehigh and their fringe top 10 ranking when MSU's performance to this date has been almost identical yet they're in the Top 5. At least Lehigh has 6 D1 wins. That Big Sky patch must really carry a lot of weight...

Don't look at me. I ranked MSU at 17.

[bjtheflamesfan]

My head still hurts from last week.

Im sorry to hear that (offers him some Tylenol)...

Anyway, as long as the Danes keep winning, they could move up just from sheer attrition. Itll be pretty tough to move into the top 10 though with the teams that are up there at this point in the season without it

[Hambone]

As to the MSU debate - I don't believe I have them top 5 (I think around 7), and I think EWU and Cal Poly will be the top two Sky teams at year end. However, I do think that MSU is a fairly strong team. NDSU right now with how they've played is definitely top dog. There should be limited debate on that, although I can see others opinions. It is just a week 6 poll - still plenty of football left.

Also, re: UNI - even though they have zero DI wins, it's hard to consider a victory in Cedar Falls a bad win. I don't have them in my top 25 as I can't put a team with zero DI wins in there after week 6, but if they win a couple of their next ones they will likely get back in, mainly due to strength of schedule and relative performance against those teams.

[LeeshaJo]

I guess maybe the best way for the average fan to look at UNI would be... do you want YOUR team to have to play them? And, do you really think you could win? I understand them not being ranked without any D1 wins, but anyone who says they are not a top 25 team is playing with the blinders on.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

I guess maybe the best way for the average fan to look at UNI would be... do you want YOUR team to have to play them? And, do you really think you could win? I understand them not being ranked without any D1 wins, but anyone who says they are not a top 25 team is playing with the blinders on.

Well said... To answer your rhetorical question, no, I'd prefer if SDSU didn't have to play UNI in Cedar Falls. I will be very surprised if we win this game on the 20th. Ranked or not, they are a very good football team (probably Top 10-15).

[Walkon79]

MSU's opponents record may be soft, but they haven't exactly played the sisters of the poor. MSU's opponents have poor records because they have all played brutal schedules. Looking at all of MSU's FCS opponents, the two weakest losses are to Sacramento State and Indiana State.

UC-Davis and SFA are two of the toughest 2-4 teams in the fcs. UCD has three single digit losses to top 20 opponents and an fbs loss to a 4-1 team. SFA has two close ranked FCS losses and a ranked win. Everyone has an arbitrary Pioneer league assumption of Drake, but they're better than people think. They beat USD just as much as Cal Poly and put a more dominant hurt than Harvard did. SUU has one of the best quarterbacks in the FCS. And you can't say MSU's 27 win over Chadron State should've been more dominant. D2 is just as different from top to bottom as the FCS, so you can't put a team like Fort Lewis or Central State in the same box as Chadron State. UNC is the weakest team on MSU's schedule, but even they have played a rough schedule.

Objectively from across the divide!! Love it!!

I know the meat of our schedule is coming up and we need to prove it on the field, but anyone else saying we're massively overranked is just hatin.

[darell1976]

I guess maybe the best way for the average fan to look at UNI would be... do you want YOUR team to have to play them? And, do you really think you could win? I understand them not being ranked without any D1 wins, but anyone who says they are not a top 25 team is playing with the blinders on.

We beat them when we were in DII in 2006 so sure why notxsmiley_wix. Of course I think our defense was better then (wow can't believe I said that).

[Jacked_Rabbit]

We beat them when we were in DII in 2006 so sure why notxsmiley_wix. Of course I think our defense was better then (wow can't believe I said that).

As impressive as that win in '06 was (I vividly remember watching film from that game when we were preparing to face UNI's D, and a little white WR from UND was running all over them), I don't think UND would fare too well at UNI this year.

[HensRock]

Objectively from across the divide!! Love it!!

I know the meat of our schedule is coming up and we need to prove it on the field, but anyone else saying we're massively overranked is just hatin.

Not hatin. Just watin.

[darell1976]

As impressive as that win in '06 was (I vividly remember watching film from that game when we were preparing to face UNI's D, and a little white WR from UND was running all over them), I don't think UND would fare too well at UNI this year.

Of course we would....if we had NDSU's defense.xlolx