Montana State v. Drake

[DJOM]

What is happening in Des Moines. 3 minutes left in 3rd quarter and Drake is up 24-21.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Montana St might be the most overrated team right now. They are simply not very good in the trenches. This would be a terrible homecoming for Coach Ash.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Montana st takes the lead, 27-24 with about 11 minutes left..

[PantherRob82]

I can hear them plummeting..

[bonarae]

I can hear them plummeting..

By around 5 spots, I guess.

[PantherRob82]

By around 5 spots, I guess.

Maybe...if they win. They will not be in my Top 15 regardless.

[caribbeanhen]

Montana st takes the lead, 27-24 with about 11 minutes left..

ding .... not sure why they got so much pre-season love

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

MSU is going to survive 34-24.

This is two weeks in a row they have struggled against inferior competition. They will be outside my Top 15 next week. They are going to struggle in the Big Sky.

From a phone

[DJOM]

Personally, I don't think Ash wanted to embarass the school he coached at for 19 years. He kept it close, then turned on the heat at the end to pull away.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Personally, I don't think Ash wanted to embarass the school he coached at for 19 years. He kept it close, then turned on the heat at the end to pull away.

MSU was without two of their best defensive players early, and their greenness on the OL is more of an issue than they though. They better learn quick.

[PantherRob82]

Personally, I don't think Ash wanted to embarass the school he coached at for 19 years. He kept it close, then turned on the heat at the end to pull away.

Wow. Please tell me this is sarcasm or that you aren't a Princeton graduate. ;)

Also, they were losing at times....

[bobcathpdevil56]

Gotta be happy with 2-0. Nothing else really matters. Gonna beat up on SFA this next week too

[bobcathpdevil56]

Wow. Please tell me this is sarcasm or that you aren't a Princeton graduate. ;)

Also, they were losing at times....

What is UNI's record?

[CopperCat]

Some teams are already starting to peak in week two. MSU has the rest of the season to get better. But hey, go ahead and drop them 15 spots after a win. The underdog role is one that this team thrives under.

[PantherRob82]

What is UNI's record?

Wow, sensitive, eh?

[Twentysix]

Some teams are already starting to peak in week two. MSU has the rest of the season to get better. But hey, go ahead and drop them 15 spots after a win. The underdog role is one that this team thrives under.

MtSU lost all their credibility with me, at this point in the season, but they can earn it back with a season of hardwork.

[PantherRob82]

Some teams are already starting to peak in week two. MSU has the rest of the season to get better. But hey, go ahead and drop them 15 spots after a win. The underdog role is one that this team thrives under.

I don't drop teams. I rank them. I had them at #9 last week, not sure about this week yet. They are 2-0 against two teams that don't mean anything.

...and for the sensitive MSU fan, I'm not sure where to put UNI. They had a close loss last week, but Wisconsin didn't look that great this week, and we beat no one 59-0. Poll voting is a process, and struggling with Drake and beating Chadron don't mean much.

But you are right, 2-0 is 2-0.

[Twentysix]

I don't drop teams. I rank them. I had them at #9 last week, not sure about this week yet. They are 2-0 against two teams that don't mean anything.

...and for the sensitive MSU fan, I'm not sure where to put UNI. They had a close loss last week, but Wisconsin didn't look that great this week, and we beat no one 59-0. Poll voting is a process, and struggling with Drake and beating Chadron don't mean much.

But you are right, 2-0 is 2-0.

Actually its not, UNI is 0-1 and MSU is 1-0. DI games are all that matter unless you lose. Atleast thats how I feel Records should be weighted when ranking. Not to mention UNI's loss is more impressive than Montana states win atm, barely, maybe its not.

[PantherRob82]

Actually its not, UNI is 0-1 and MSU is 1-0. DI games are all that matter unless you lose. Atleast thats how I feel Records should be weighted when ranking. Not to mention UNI's loss is more impressive than Montana states win atm, barely, maybe its not.

That's the game we have to play though. So many teams have only played FBS, garbage FCS teams and sub D-I teams. Minus the Bison. They're #1. LOL

[Twentysix]

That's the game we have to play though. So many teams have only played FBS, garbage FCS teams and sub D-I teams. Minus the Bison. They're #1. LOL

Well duh. We ate 2 cuppy cakes ofc we are #1.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Is Montana State over-rated or Drake pretty good?

[DJOM]

Drake is D1AA---FCS---they play in the rough and tumble Pioneer league whose teams travel coast to coast and whose students/players are expected to actually study and obtain degrees. Their effort and score of this game surprised me. I thought Montana State would run away with it....but Drake proved the Pioneer League does belong and should be getting a bid to the playoffs.

[PantherRob82]

?....but Drake proved the Pioneer League does belong and should be getting a bid to the playoffs.

That is complete BS. The season is two weeks old and we know nothing of how good Montana State is with the schedule that they have played. What we do know is that history of failure of Drake and the rest of the Pioneer league. Until these teams prove they can play on a consistent basis, I will continue assuming flukes or poor play by the better leagues.

Drake once beat Illinois State on a hail Mary and then got thrashed, in Des Moines, by 40+ by UNI.

[clenz]

Drake is D1AA---FCS---they play in the rough and tumble Pioneer league whose teams travel coast to coast and whose students/players are expected to actually study and obtain degrees. Their effort and score of this game surprised me. I thought Montana State would run away with it....but Drake proved the Pioneer League does belong and should be getting a bid to the playoffs.
Heading into this season the PFL has the following records against other FCS conferences (by team)

Butler:
Big Sky - 0-2
CAA 0-2
MVFC 25-10-2 (ALL OF THOSE WINS COMING AGAINST INDIANA STATE PRIOR TO 1975)
NEC 5-6 (4 of those coming against St. Francis - all before 2001)
OVC 4-6 (3 coming against EIU, none since 1979)
PL 0-1
PFL 75-104-2


Campbell



Colonial Athletic Association (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/campbell/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=9&restrictions=none)


1


5


0

0.16667
107
179
-72



Pioneer Football League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/campbell/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=163&restrictions=none)


9


23


0

0.28125
617
1051
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Southern Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/campbell/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=180&restrictions=none)


2


1


0

0.66667
33
26
7


*Both SoCon wins vs. Western Carolina
*The 1 CAA win was Old Dominion - IN 1932!

Davidson



Big South Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=21&restrictions=none)


34


54


5

0.39247
1207
1578
-371



Colonial Athletic Association (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=9&restrictions=none)


13


35


2

0.28000
589
1150
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Ivy League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=87&restrictions=none)


0


8


0

0.00000
62
230
-168



Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=114&restrictions=none)


0


2


0

0.00000
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43
-29



Northeast Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=144&restrictions=none)


0


1


0

0.00000
11
35
-24



Ohio Valley Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=151&restrictions=none)


5


2


0

0.71429
208
126
82



Patriot League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=160&restrictions=none)


15


48


0

0.23810
857
1689
-832



Pioneer Football League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=163&restrictions=none)


31


44


0

0.41333
1671
2063
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Southern Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/davidson/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=180&restrictions=none)


82


98


6

0.45699
3043
3489
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* 9 CAA wins vs Richmond - none since 1978, Others vs WM, none since 1969
*No wins against the PL since 1980
*No wins vs SoCon since 1987, and prior to that one, 1970, and prior to that one, the 1940's


Dayton



Big Sky Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=20&restrictions=none)


1


1


0

0.50000
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44
20



Big South Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=21&restrictions=none)


2


1


0

0.66667
59
27
32



Colonial Athletic Association (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=9&restrictions=none)


13


6


0

0.68421
389
273
116



Ivy League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=87&restrictions=none)


0


3


0

0.00000
30
79
-49



Missouri Valley Football Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=59&restrictions=none)


15


4


1

0.77500
476
325
151



Northeast Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=144&restrictions=none)


22


8


0

0.73333
812
466
346



Ohio Valley Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=151&restrictions=none)


10


5


0

0.66667
408
197
211



Patriot League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=160&restrictions=none)


6


12


0

0.33333
229
376
-147



Pioneer Football League (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=163&restrictions=none)


112


31


1

0.78125
4559
2295
2264



Southern Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=180&restrictions=none)


7


6


1

0.53571
282
262
20



Southland Conference (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/vs_conf_opponents.php?confid=183&restrictions=none)


1


0


0

1.00000
17
12
5


*Big Sky win was 1941 against UND
*No Big South wins since 1972
*Only 1 CAA win since 1979, Towson in 1998
*No MVFC wins since 1978, 9 came against YSU. Most came prior to the 1960's
* Congrats on dominating the NEC?....I guess
*Haven't beating an OVC not named Austin Peay State since 1978
*If not for Fordam, no wins vs PL since 1956
* 1996 w vs Wofford, 2 80's wins over Samford, and no wins since the 1950's other than them
* 1975 W vs McNeese




Do you want me to keep going? The "best" one record wise is Drake, and 90% of those came prior to 1975.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

Montana St might be the most overrated team right now. They are simply not very good in the trenches. This would be a terrible homecoming for Coach Ash.

What did Montana St lose on the d line? I thought they were very good when I saw them last year.

[PantherRob82]

I will add that I have no problem with the Pioneer getting their shot in the playoffs. I just hate people acting like they are solid teams with no resume, because history proves that is highly unlikely.

[TboneCat]

What did Montana St lose on the d line? I thought they were very good when I saw them last year.

We lost our nose tackle to graduation, but for this game Daly and Minter were hurt in the first quarter and didn't return.

[wapiti]

I agree that Montana State is not a top 5 team. Yes they are 2 - 0, but from what I heard listening to the game on the radio the Cat's have some execution with the secondary coverage to fix and McGhee had two INT's. He had problems with INT's last year. Looking like it will be a problem again this year. And the O-line is still developing and the d-line pass rush did not put much pressure on their QB.
The Cat's are probably a top 15 team though.
Just my two cents worth.

[JSUBison]

I will add that I have no problem with the Pioneer getting their shot in the playoffs. I just hate people acting like they are solid teams with no resume, because history proves that is highly unlikely.

The Pioneer has been really bad out the gate this year. I believe as a league they have only 2 OOC DI wins against the NEC and Big South, but also have 3 Sub DI losses which more than negate the DI wins in my book. So out of 20 games played so far, they have 2 DI wins to show for it.

[GtFllsGriz]

I agree that Montana State is not a top 5 team. Yes they are 2 - 0, but from what I heard listening to the game on the radio the Cat's have some execution with the secondary coverage to fix and McGhee had two INT's. He had problems with INT's last year. Looking like it will be a problem again this year. And the O-line is still developing and the d-line pass rush did not put much pressure on their QB.
The Cat's are probably a top 15 team though.
Just my two cents worth.

I agree with this assesment of the Cats. And for the record, I am not a Cat hater. I think they are a little over-rated at this point but still a solid team. This weeks game will give us a better idea where they stand.