2012 Early Preseason Payton, Buchanan Watch Lists and All-America Teams

[smallcollegefbfan]

EARLY PAYTON, BUCHANAN WATCH LISTS

WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Zach Bauman, Northern Arizona, Jr., 5-10, 200
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
RB Jamaine Cook, Youngstown State, Sr., 5-9, 205
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Washaun Ealey, Jacksonville State, Sr., 5-11, 215
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
QB DeNarius McGhee, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 213
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Jr., 6-2, 201
HB Richard Sincere, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-10, 180
RB/RS Dae’Quan Scott, James Madison, Jr., 5-9, 190
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220

Just missed: QB Kurt Hess, Youngstown State, Jr., 6-3, 235; WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200; OT Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315; RB Marcus Coker, Stony Brook, Jr., 5-11, 230; RB Cody Kirk, Montana State., Jr., 5-11, 214

BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
S Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
CB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
CB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DT Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DE Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
DE Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
DE Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190

Just missed: DE Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245; LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225; LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235; S Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185


2012 FCS PRESEASON ALL-AMERICA TEAMS

FIRST TEAM

OFFENSE
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
WR Nicholas Edwards, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, Sr., 6-3, 205
TE Colin Anderson, Furman, Sr., 6-4, 231
OL Blake Matthews, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 315
OL Malcolm Boyd, Liberty, Sr., 6-4, 280
OL Earl Watford, James Madison, Sr., 6-4, 290
OL Patrick Ford, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 306
OL Anthony Oden, Lamar, Jr., 6-8, 305
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225
RB Terrance West, Towson, Soph., 5-11, 220
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225

DEFENSE
DL Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
DL Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
DL Blake Oliaro, San Diego, Jr., 6-5, 250
DL Ben Obaseki, Indiana State, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr., 5-11, 238
LB Jody Owens, Montana State, Jr., 6-0, 221
DB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190
DB Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 190
DB Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, Sr., 6-0, 208
DB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 175

SPECIAL TEAMS
K Zach Brown, Portland State, Sr., 6-1, 200
P Jonathan Plisco, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-0, 205
KR Kevin Fogg, Liberty, Sr., 5-10, 180
PR Gralyn Crawford, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 5-11, 175


SECOND TEAM

OFFENSE
WR Rodrick Rumble, Idaho State, Sr., 6-2, 201
WR Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., 6-3, 200
WR Xavier Boyce, Norfolk State, Sr., 6-4, 220
TE David Duran, Coastal Carolina, Sr., 6-5, 240
OL Aaron Adams, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-6, 290
OL Alex Savoie, McNeese State, Sr., 6-7, 332
OL Evan Conrad, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-3, 305
OL Chris Howley, Maine, Sr., 6-3, 300
OL Dan Shirey, Villanova, Sr., 6-2, 280
QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr., 6-2, 215
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
RB Jordan Brown, Bryant, Sr., 5-9, 185
FB Kendall Gaskins, Richmond, Sr., 6-1, 228

DEFENSE
DL Tyler Starr, South Dakota, Jr., 6-5, 236
DL Marquis Jackson, Texas Southern, Sr., 6-5, 275
DL Zach Minter, Montana State, Sr., 6-1, 285
DL Joseph Lebeau, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 245
LB Clarence Bumpas, Northern Colorado, Jr., 6-2, 244
LB Alvin Scioneaux, Wofford, Sr., 6-2, 214
LB Blake Peiffer, Southeast Missouri State, Sr., 6-1, 225
LB Wes Dothard, Chattanooga, Jr., 6-1, 235
DB Demetrius McCray, Appalachian State, Sr., 6-0, 185
DB Charles James, Charleston Southern, Sr., 5-10, 175
DB Jordan Dangerfield, Towson, Sr., 5-11, 185
DB Malcolm Bronson, McNeese State, Sr., 5-11, 192

SPECIAL TEAMS
K Tyler Sievertsen, Northern Iowa, Jr., 6-2, 185
P Patrick Murray, Fordham, Sr., 5-7, 160
KR AJ Cruz, Brown, Sr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Carey, McNeese State, Sr., 6-0, 185


THIRD TEAM

OFFENSE
WR Norman White, Villanova, Sr., 6-3, 215
WR Rico Richardson, Jackson State, Sr., 6-1, 185
WR Brandon Kaufman, Eastern Washington, Sr., 6-5, 205
TE Kyle Juszczyk, Harvard, Sr., 6-3, 240
OL Danny Kistler, Montana, Jr., 6-8, 332
OL Dominique Allen, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-3, 288
OL Terren Jones, Alabama State, Sr., 6-7, 320
OL Kadeem Williams, Albany, Jr., 6-7, 300
OL Jamaal Johnson-Webb, Alabama A&M, Sr., 6-5, 296
QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell, Jr., 6-4, 210
RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 5-11, 181
RB Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Jr., 5-11, 200
FB Jordan Neukirch, Illinois State, Jr., 6-2, 235

DEFENSE
DL Frank Beltre, Towson, Sr., 6-3, 245
DL Emory Attig, Eastern Kentucky, Sr., 6-2, 294
DL Cody Larsen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-4, 272
DL J.T. Cleveland, Sam Houston State, Sr., 6-0, 290
LB Seth Allison, Central Arkansas, Sr., 5-11, 198
LB Aaron Archie, Indiana State, Sr., 6-0, 235
LB Stephon Robertson, James Madison, Jr., 5-11, 220
LB Craig Wilkins, Old Dominion, Sr., 6-2, 225
DB Jamaal White, Northwestern State, Sr., 6-0, 192
DB Serge Kona, Duquesne, Sr., 5-11, 225
DB Jestin Love, Central Arkansas, Jr., 6-0, 204
DB Jeremy Moore, Georgetown, Sr., 5-11, 175

SPECIAL TEAMS
K Sean Baner, Delaware, Jr., 6-1, 182
P Cory Kemps, Nicholls State, Sr., 6-2, 245
KR Fabian Truss, Samford, Jr., 5-9, 190
PR Darius Drummond, South Carolina State, Jr., 5-11, 185

[Professor Chaos]

I'm sure every FCS fan in America could come up with a player from his team who deserves some consideration for these squads but I'll throw out junior DB Colten Heagle from NDSU who should definitely garner some All-America attention next year if he can stay healthy. Just ask Georgia Southern.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm sure every FCS fan in America could come up with a player from his team who deserves some consideration for these squads but I'll throw out junior DB Colten Heagle from NDSU who should definitely garner some All-America attention next year if he can stay healthy. Just ask Georgia Southern.

If I had a group of just missed for All-America he would have been on it. He's a top 15 DB at his position IMO.

[Pard4Life]

I'd like to see who can throw Spadola the ball before he garners any real consideration for 2012.

[GATA_Eagles]

I'm sure every FCS fan in America could come up with a player from his team who deserves some consideration for these squads but I'll throw out junior DB Colten Heagle from NDSU who should definitely garner some All-America attention next year if he can stay healthy. Just ask Georgia Southern.

If I ever hear his name again it'll be too soon :(

[Apphole]

The UTC offense and defense should be the entire first team. This is an outrage

[GATA_Eagles]

The UTC offense and defense should be the entire first team. This is an outrage

What?? No Chattanooga preseason favorites for either award either?

[citdog]

What?? No Chattanooga preseason favorites for either award either?


i was shocked that all the slots weren't filled by the eaglets from pig's ***, ga. with all of that bcs talent down there and all

[GATA_Eagles]

i was shocked that all the slots weren't filled by the eaglets from pig's ***, ga. with all of that bcs talent down there and all

I can't quite hear you over the sound of a losing record

[smallcollegefbfan]

What?? No Chattanooga preseason favorites for either award either?

I know you are being sarcastic but Dothard is the only legit candidate. I was thinking they would have more than just him but after looking at it more they don't.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:

WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225

I would have West as #6.

BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
CB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190

[Apphole]

Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:

WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225

I would have West as #6.

BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
CB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190

You've never seen Kimbrough play have you

[Apphole]

Someone asked me who my top 5 would be for each award. Here they are in no particular order.:

WALTER PAYTON WATCH
RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr., 5-8, 185
FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr., 5-11, 225
RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Jr., 5-9, 210
WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr., 6-4, 212
QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr., 6-5, 225

I would have West as #6.

BUCK BUCHANAN BATTLE
LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr., 6-0, 219
DE Willie Jefferson, Stephen F. Austin, Jr., 6-6, 230
LB Keith Pough, Howard, Sr., 6-3, 235
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr., 6-2, 287
CB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr., 5-11, 190

You've never seen Kimbrough play have you

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I'm sure most fans would think they should have a player or two on these teams.

NDSU has a few guys that could be AA potential: Drevlow-Ojuri-Heagle

[jmufan999]

Glad to see LG Earl Watford getting some love. He's an extremely talented player with great athleticism, power, and tenacity.

[Mr. C]

You've never seen Kimbrough play have you
Rather dumb question to ask someone who has had Appalachian State season tickets from the time he was in the cradle.

[smallcollegefbfan]

You've never seen Kimbrough play have you

I have seen every game the last two years. He is a heck of a player. Almost put him in my top 5. I have him as a first-team All-American. Just don't think he is a top front runner for the award at this point.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm sure most fans would think they should have a player or two on these teams.

NDSU has a few guys that could be AA potential: Drevlow-Ojuri-Heagle

Ojuri has a shot. He could be a surprise All-American for sure.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Glad to see LG Earl Watford getting some love. He's an extremely talented player with great athleticism, power, and tenacity.

Watford is pretty good. He is athletic for sure and strong. I think he has a shot at the NFL. I like him more than the tackle you had recently that got some looks. I would put him close to where I had Dorian Brooks.

[Eaglesrus]

I understand him not being there now, but am confident that RB Dominique Swope of GA Southern will be in the All-America conversation post-season.

[401ks]

Duquesne LB, Dorian Bell

[smallcollegefbfan]

I understand him not being there now, but am confident that RB Dominique Swope of GA Southern will be in the All-America conversation post-season.

His name is on my radar. Probably a guy you rate in the 25-30 range at RB right now who could fly up the board.

[asumike83]

There is a lot of offensive talent in the SoCon but I just haven't seen any one player that has impressed me like Aaron Mellette. That kid is an absolute monster and should put up huge numbers again in 2012 and run away with the SoCon Offensive POY. Hard for a WR to win the Payton but he'd be in my Top 5 too.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Duquesne LB, Dorian Bell

Missed too many games to put on the list but definitely a guy with the background that would not surprise me to see him there. Ohio State transfer who was highly rated and did well in some of the Duquesne games I have seen. I suspect if he had played in 3 more games this year he would be on my early list.

[smallcollegefbfan]

There is a lot of offensive talent in the SoCon but I just haven't seen any one player that has impressed me like Aaron Mellette. That kid is an absolute monster and should put up huge numbers again in 2012 and run away with the SoCon Offensive POY. Hard for a WR to win the Payton but he'd be in my Top 5 too.

Mellette is going to be a top 100 pick in the draft. Just watch. He can play. Only WR close to Brian Quick who will be a top 75 pick.

[401ks]

Missed too many games to put on the list but definitely a guy with the background that would not surprise me to see him there. Ohio State transfer who was highly rated and did well in some of the Duquesne games I have seen. I suspect if he had played in 3 more games this year he would be on my early list.

I absolutely understand why he's not on your pre-season list(s).

However, it's the end of the season that really counts!

xthumbsupx

[asumike83]

Mellette is going to be a top 100 pick in the draft. Just watch. He can play. Only WR close to Brian Quick who will be a top 75 pick.

Absolutely, no way he makes it past round 3 next year with that 6-4 frame. Does not have the leaping ability of Brian Quick but as a route runner, he is much more polished at this point. I always liked him as a player but when I saw him in person at the Elon game last year, he really left an impression more so than any other FCS player I saw all season.

[LakesBison]

MWill for sure. Heagle at FS is 1st or 2nd team AA, Billy Turner is a beast at OT absolutely 2nd,3rd team.

Drevlow, Leevon Perry are monsters on the D line as well

[lionsrking2]

This guy needs to be on the list somewhere ... best cover corner in the SLC ...

Robert Alford, CB, Southeastern Louisiana


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChticaTUbc8

[seantaylor]

No Swope? He's going to have a monster AP-like year. Best running back in the FCS.

[fatmonarch]

I understand him not being there now, but am confident that RB Dominique Swope of GA Southern will be in the All-America conversation post-season.

I see your swope and raise you a heinicke.

[PaladinFan]

Good to see Colin Anderson getting press. Tightends are often under the radar, but Anderson ranks high on my list of "gamechangers" in the SoCon. He's just such a difficult assignment for any defense.

[chattownmocs]

I take it these are the App State homers personal picks? Wes Dothard and DJ Key are the 2 best defensive players in the Southern Conference going into next season by a wide margin. The fact that you think you think your fat little MLB is better than Wes Dothard shows just how ignorant you are.

[Saint3333]

Brent Russell is the best defensive player in the SoCon. I was pissed when I saw he hasn't graduated.

As for that "fat little" LB at ASU, his line from the UTC game: 11 tackles, 2.5 for loss, 2 sacks, 1 QBH, 2 pass break ups, 1 INT for 46 yards and a TD.

Yeah that guy is terrible, yet again you show how little you know about football.

[blueballs]

His name is on my radar. Probably a guy you rate in the 25-30 range at RB right now who could fly up the board.

Based on what he accomplished after becoming the starter in 2011 in the 10trh game as a true freshman there aren't 25 better backs in FCS... Sorry...

@Wofford 165 yards rushing, @Alabama 153 yards rushing, vs. ODU 255 yards rushing, vs. Maine 84 yards rushing, @ NDSU 101 yards rushing... that's an average per game of 151.6 YPG against 3 playoff teams and the FCS & BCS champions.

Also, leaving Heineke off ANY list of all americans and/or Payton Award watch list is criminal.

[Apphole]

I take it these are the App State homers personal picks? Wes Dothard and DJ Key are the 2 best defensive players in the Southern Conference going into next season by a wide margin. The fact that you think you think your fat little MLB is better than Wes Dothard shows just how ignorant you are.

Ah the paradox of Chattown. I think he has Aspergers

[PaladinFan]

No Swope? He's going to have a monster AP-like year. Best running back in the FCS.

If you look at last year's numbers, you can make an argument Swope was not in the top four or five running backs in the SoCon, much less the best in the entire FCS.

He may have a breakout season, but it is premature to call him the best back in the country when he's not even the best back in his own conference.

[smallcollegefbfan]

No Swope? He's going to have a monster AP-like year. Best running back in the FCS.

Maybe he will be this year but he is not top 10 in returning rushers. With the GSU offense though I would not be shocked if he or whoever the starter is does put up AA numbers.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I take it these are the App State homers personal picks? Wes Dothard and DJ Key are the 2 best defensive players in the Southern Conference going into next season by a wide margin. The fact that you think you think your fat little MLB is better than Wes Dothard shows just how ignorant you are.

Dothard is good and so is Key but you can't call either of them the best defensive players in the SoCon. Brent Russell is the man with that distinction.

And for Kimbrough, I assume you mean him, he is a great player. He is a returning All-American and to be quite honest his tape is better than Dothard as of now.

All of you guys who are hyping a player from your school and nobody from another school is backing you up, maybe you are being a homer. Dothard is a very good player but saying he is the best defensive player in the SoCon is a big time homer statement. Russell is the best and to be honest I don't see how anyone can for sure say after him that Kimbrough, McCray, Dothard, Key, or Scioneaux is the #2 guy for sure because they are all good players.

I will say this though that McCray is going to play on Sundays and I don't think Dothard or Key will. And we all know the NFL is where the best players are so if McCray is that good, and I know for a fact he is, you could even make an argument for him to be up there with Russell. And Russell is already getting NFL looks as well. My guess is 5th-7th round on him at this point.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Based on what he accomplished after becoming the starter in 2011 in the 10trh game as a true freshman there aren't 25 better backs in FCS... Sorry...

@Wofford 165 yards rushing, @Alabama 153 yards rushing, vs. ODU 255 yards rushing, vs. Maine 84 yards rushing, @ NDSU 101 yards rushing... that's an average per game of 151.6 YPG against 3 playoff teams and the FCS & BCS champions.

Also, leaving Heineke off ANY list of all americans and/or Payton Award watch list is criminal.

ODU QB is good but has anyone who is pubbing him seen Mathews, Brockman, or Sorensen?

Everyone wants to put a player on these lists but when you say Heinecke should be there you have to pull a guy down. Man up, man down. So who should be pulled whose numbers all around aren't better than him or Swope? You need to show stats or film evals from a legit unbias source that prove they belong on the list instead of someone listed.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Based on what he accomplished after becoming the starter in 2011 in the 10trh game as a true freshman there aren't 25 better backs in FCS... Sorry...

@Wofford 165 yards rushing, @Alabama 153 yards rushing, vs. ODU 255 yards rushing, vs. Maine 84 yards rushing, @ NDSU 101 yards rushing... that's an average per game of 151.6 YPG against 3 playoff teams and the FCS & BCS champions.

Also, leaving Heineke off ANY list of all americans and/or Payton Award watch list is criminal.

Actually @NDSU 96 yds rushing. That's <100 yards in the final 2 games of the season. The numbers are horribly skewed by the ODU game.

[eaglewraith]

If you look at last year's numbers, you can make an argument Swope was not in the top four or five running backs in the SoCon, much less the best in the entire FCS.

He may have a breakout season, but it is premature to call him the best back in the country when he's not even the best back in his own conference.

He didn't start til the 10th game, and before that he didn't get all that much playing time. The most significant amount was during the Elon game. He went over 1000 yards for the season and earned 758 of that after becoming the starter in game 10. That was against all playoff teams, including 2 eventual national champions.

The question I would pose in response to you....is there a running back in the conference that consistently put up those kinds of stats against the same level of competition?

I know I'm making an assumption here and that's a dangerous thing, but if you project that performance across the entire season, then he'd be 2000+ easily. I understand the knock against him however, cause it is a relatively small sample size. I also agree with him not being included on the lists as of right now. That being said, I fully expect him to be added to the Payton list by the end of the season if he continues to play the way he did this season.

[steelbison]

Funny how the defending champs have one player on this list.


I can tell you this the d-line has three starters back and another Cole Jirik who could easily have 10 plus sacks next year.


L Perry is an animal. I'm telling you this kid is going to have a bigtime season. R Drevlow is also another player you better watch out for. K Emmanuel started as a freshman and could easily be on this list by the end of the year.

Don't forget all of NDSU's studs are either freshman or sophmores...they are only going to get better.

I know this sounds crazy but I expect the defense to be even better this year.

[eaglewraith]

Funny how the defending champs have one player on this list.


I can tell you this the d-line has three starters back and another Cole Jirik who could easily have 10 plus sacks next year.


L Perry is an animal. I'm telling you this kid is going to have a bigtime season. R Drevlow is also another player you better watch out for. K Emmanuel started as a freshman and could easily be on this list by the end of the year.

Don't forget all of NDSU's studs are either freshman or sophmores...they are only going to get better.

I know this sounds crazy but I expect the defense to be even better this year.

Typically when you have a really good TEAM, you can be fantastic on the field....however you more than likely won't have anyone that stands out in the stats column.

When everyone is involved, no one sticks out. It's kind of a catch-22.

[PaladinFan]

He didn't start til the 10th game, and before that he didn't get all that much playing time. The most significant amount was during the Elon game. He went over 1000 yards for the season and earned 758 of that after becoming the starter in game 10. That was against all playoff teams, including 2 eventual national champions.

The question I would pose in response to you....is there a running back in the conference that consistently put up those kinds of stats against the same level of competition?

I know I'm making an assumption here and that's a dangerous thing, but if you project that performance across the entire season, then he'd be 2000+ easily. I understand the knock against him however, cause it is a relatively small sample size. I also agree with him not being included on the lists as of right now. That being said, I fully expect him to be added to the Payton list by the end of the season if he continues to play the way he did this season.

I don't think the sample size is that small. Sure, he didn't start all 13 games, but he had 168 carries. Of course, that's 100 less than Britenstien (who Wofford gives the ball to virtually every play), but its comparable to the other conference rushing leaders. So, while his actual time on the field may not have been that much, he got a season's worth of carries in there.

Until proven otherwise, the best back in the SoCon without question is Eric Britenstien. No one carries the ball as often, puts up as many yards, scores as much, or takes as many hits as that kid. Swope may have a great season, he may win the Payton, but I can't think of a single argument that would convince me to put anyone ahead of Wofford's #7 right now.

[eaglewraith]

I don't think the sample size is that small. Sure, he didn't start all 13 games, but he had 168 carries. Of course, that's 100 less than Britenstien (who Wofford gives the ball to virtually every play), but its comparable to the other conference rushing leaders. So, while his actual time on the field may not have been that much, he got a season's worth of carries in there.

Until proven otherwise, the best back in the SoCon without question is Eric Britenstien. No one carries the ball as often, puts up as many yards, scores as much, or takes as many hits as that kid. Swope may have a great season, he may win the Payton, but I can't think of a single argument that would convince me to put anyone ahead of Wofford's #7 right now.

Agreed.

Until #7 plays against our defense ;)

[chattownmocs]

I know you are being sarcastic but Dothard is the only legit candidate. I was thinking they would have more than just him but after looking at it more they don't.

You should have looked a little bit harder. Dothard, Key, and Joshua Williams, at the very least are all legitimate candidates.

[fatmonarch]

Taylor heinicke Qb odu Fr- 9 games 160.2 rating, 2385 yds, 25 td, 1 int, 68.1 completion percentage, 363 rush yds, 4 tds

I think the rating, td/int ratio, and completion percentage speak for themselves. This was all as a true freshman. Plus he can run. I have never seen the others play, but looking at their stats, passing yards is the only category they look better.

[chattownmocs]

Brent Russell is the best defensive player in the SoCon. I was pissed when I saw he hasn't graduated.

As for that "fat little" LB at ASU, his line from the UTC game: 11 tackles, 2.5 for loss, 2 sacks, 1 QBH, 2 pass break ups, 1 INT for 46 yards and a TD.

Yeah that guy is terrible, yet again you show how little you know about football.

He had a good game, so what? Dothard has several games like that. He was the SOCON player of the week 3 times. He should have easily been SOCON defensive player of the year, and if not him it should have been Consiglio. Russell got it based of of hype. Consiglio and Dothard being second team all conference players last year was an embarrassment. They were the most dominant defensive forces in the SOCON. DJ Key being 2nd team was embarrassing as well. Chattanooga should have had at minimum 4 1st team all-SOCON players last year. You could easily make a case for Kadeem wise as well the way he covered people.

[asumike83]

Although these are individual awards, the voters recognize winners. The fact is, a 6th place team with a 3-5 conference record is just not going to get half their starters on the 1st team.

It is the same at all levels. Why was Maurice Jones-Drew not even a serious candidate for NFL MVP in spite of leading the league in rushing by 300 yards? His team did not win.

[PaladinFan]

He had a good game, so what? Dothard has several games like that. He was the SOCON player of the week 3 times. He should have easily been SOCON defensive player of the year, and if not him it should have been Consiglio. Russell got it based of of hype. Consiglio and Dothard being second team all conference players last year was an embarrassment. They were the most dominant defensive forces in the SOCON. DJ Key being 2nd team was embarrassing as well. Chattanooga should have had at minimum 4 1st team all-SOCON players last year. You could easily make a case for Kadeem wise as well the way he covered people.

No they should not. You don't get four first team players when you finish sixth in the league with a losing record. It's hard enough to get four first team players if you win the league.

[chattownmocs]

No they should not. You don't get four first team players when you finish sixth in the league with a losing record. It's hard enough to get four first team players if you win the league.

Individual accolades in football should NEVER be awarded based on team. Chattanooga's defense was tops in the SOCON in almost every major category. Their individual defensive performances are what put them at that level.

[Sycamore51]

How in the world can Bell only be on the second team at running back? First team last year, one of the WP finalists, and only a second team nod? I know I'm a homer, but I've seen porn, I know a good screwing when I see one.

[Bam]

1st team RB should be Bell & EKU's Denham!!

[PaladinFan]

Individual accolades in football should NEVER be awarded based on team. Chattanooga's defense was tops in the SOCON in almost every major category. Their individual defensive performances are what put them at that level.

They aren't team awards. It just happens that the teams with the best records also have the best players at their respective positions. We realize your All-Conference team would be All-UTC, it just happens the coaches and media see it differently.

[Professor Chaos]

Individual accolades in football should NEVER be awarded based on team. Chattanooga's defense was tops in the SOCON in almost every major category. Their individual defensive performances are what put them at that level.
You just contradicted yourself in 3 short sentences. Impressive!

So having a good defense is a result of individual performances but having a good team is not... got it.

[msupigskin]

Brockman should have crazy numbers next year with receiving corp returning intact and some new additions in the pass-crazy Hatch Attack. He broke the conference record for total yardage last season and played for a good part of the season with several top targets out injured. He spreads the ball regularly to 7-8 rec. The coaches didn't run him as much as 2010 until the last couple of games, but Brockman's show he's capable of 50-75 ypg regularly. In 2012 he's capable of 3,000 in the air, 500 on the ground and combined 35 TDs or more. The former walk-on and hometown boy story are great pluses for the Racers and FCS football. I couldn't find a 2011 highlight reel, but here's a Murray State 2010 clip from youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoSg37ooAYY

[Apphole]

You just contradicted yourself in 3 short sentences. Impressive!

So having a good defense is a result of individual performances but having a good team is not... got it.

And don't forget that Jeremy Kimbrough is small and fat xrotatehx

[chattownmocs]

You just contradicted yourself in 3 short sentences. Impressive!

So having a good defense is a result of individual performances but having a good team is not... got it.

Wrong. Your inferior intellect may have confused you though. Chattanoog's defense ranked number 1 in the southern conference. That has nothing to do with a team. Not that Chattanooga's team was poor or that they didn't have any offensive guys play well either. They had a subpar offense, but one that when paired with the top defense was still good enough to make a deep playoff run. Chattanooga had a good defense. They got to that point by having individual players perform at a high level. Chattanooga had a good football team last year. They played at a higher level as a team and individually than most teams that had better records than them. See the point was very simply that a football team's overall record or place in the standings should have little to do with an individuals place on an all-conference.

[chattownmocs]

And don't forget that Jeremy Kimbrough is small and fat xrotatehx

No he's tall and thin.

[UMaineD]

Cole from Maine should be somewhere on the DL List as a Sophmore he lead the CAA with 11 sacks

[GlassOnion]

No he's tall and thin.

Glad you changed it from "slow," because he was riding your offense down behind the line all day.

[GlassOnion]

Wrong. Your inferior intellect may have confused you though. Chattanoog's defense ranked number 1 in the southern conference. That has nothing to do with a team. Not that Chattanooga's team was poor or that they didn't have any offensive guys play well either. They had a subpar offense, but one that when paired with the top defense was still good enough to make a deep playoff run. Chattanooga had a good defense. They got to that point by having individual players perform at a high level. Chattanooga had a good football team last year. They played at a higher level as a team and individually than most teams that had better records than them. See the point was very simply that a football team's overall record or place in the standings should have little to do with an individuals place on an all-conference.

They werent good enough to make a deep playoff run, because they werent good enough to even make the playoffs. You have to make them before you can have a run in them.

[Professor Chaos]

Wrong. Your inferior intellect may have confused you though. Chattanoog's defense ranked number 1 in the southern conference. That has nothing to do with a team. Not that Chattanooga's team was poor or that they didn't have any offensive guys play well either. They had a subpar offense, but one that when paired with the top defense was still good enough to make a deep playoff run. Chattanooga had a good defense. They got to that point by having individual players perform at a high level. Chattanooga had a good football team last year. They played at a higher level as a team and individually than most teams that had better records than them. See the point was very simply that a football team's overall record or place in the standings should have little to do with an individuals place on an all-conference.
Apparently I don't get it. Your superior intellect must just be too much for my simple mind to comprehend. If only TheFan was still around. I think he's the only one with an intellect worthy of having an "intelligent football conversation" with you.

Here I was thinking all this time that good teams had good players on them. :(

[chattownmocs]

Glad you changed it from "slow," because he was riding your offense down behind the line all day.

He's also slow. A player who has that frame will never be the best LB in the country. If he is than that speaks volumes about the talent level of FCS.

[chattownmocs]

Apparently I don't get it. Your superior intellect must just be too much for my simple mind to comprehend. If only TheFan was still around. I think he's the only one with an intellect worthy of having an "intelligent football conversation" with you.

Here I was thinking all this time that good teams had good players on them. :(

You can have a good team with good football players and not have a good record. Not only did Chattanooga have good players, they also played at a high level the majority. Their record doesn't show it. Next time read what you are responding to and you won't look so ignorant.

[Mr. C]

You can have a good team with good football players and not have a good record. Not only did Chattanooga have good players, they also played at a high level the majority. Their record doesn't show it. Next time read what you are responding to and you won't look so ignorant.
I would take SCFF's opinion, or almost anyone else's, on talent evaluation over yours any day and twice on Sunday. You must like making yourself and your team look bad around here.

[asumike83]

He's also slow. A player who has that frame will never be the best LB in the country. If he is than that speaks volumes about the talent level of FCS.

Ever heard of Dexter Coakley? He was 5-10, 230 and the only 2X winner in the history of the Buchanon Award (that is the award given to the top defensive player in the FCS).

Or, how about Kimbrough (5-11, 238) compared to the size of the last two Buchanon Award winners:

2011 - Matt Evans (6-0, 233)
2010 - J.C. Sherritt (5-10, 220)

London Fletcher is also 5-10 and a 3X Pro Bowler but otherwise, waterproof argument. Nobody could ever be good at that size.

[Mr. C]

He had a good game, so what? Dothard has several games like that. He was the SOCON player of the week 3 times. He should have easily been SOCON defensive player of the year, and if not him it should have been Consiglio. Russell got it based of of hype. Consiglio and Dothard being second team all conference players last year was an embarrassment. They were the most dominant defensive forces in the SOCON. DJ Key being 2nd team was embarrassing as well. Chattanooga should have had at minimum 4 1st team all-SOCON players last year. You could easily make a case for Kadeem wise as well the way he covered people.

If you think Brent Russell got anything based on hype, you really have almost no understanding of football. Russell is far and away the best defensive player in the Southern Conference and has been for two seasons. He is also, arguably, one of the top handful of players in FCS. How many games do you actually watch?

[Professor Chaos]

You can have a good team with good football players and not have a good record. Not only did Chattanooga have good players, they also played at a high level the majority. Their record doesn't show it. Next time read what you are responding to and you won't look so ignorant.
Yep, ignorance only works when you're ignoring wins and losses I guess.

[Mr. C]

Ever heard of Dexter Coakley?

Or, how about Kimbrough (5-11, 238) compared to the size of the last two Buchanon Award winners (that is the award given to the top defensive player in the FCS):

2011 - Matt Evans (6-0, 233)
2010 - J.C. Sherritt (5-10, 220)

London Fletcher is also 5-10 and a 3X Pro Bowler but otherwise, waterproof argument. Nobody could ever be good at that size.

You could add names like Dat Nguyen, Sam Mills and Zach Thomas to that list of small, yet mighty NFL LBs. My sources tell me that Kimbrough has a chance to play at the next level.

[Mr. C]

Brockman should have crazy numbers next year with receiving corp returning intact and some new additions in the pass-crazy Hatch Attack. He broke the conference record for total yardage last season and played for a good part of the season with several top targets out injured. He spreads the ball regularly to 7-8 rec. The coaches didn't run him as much as 2010 until the last couple of games, but Brockman's show he's capable of 50-75 ypg regularly. In 2012 he's capable of 3,000 in the air, 500 on the ground and combined 35 TDs or more. The former walk-on and hometown boy story are great pluses for the Racers and FCS football. I couldn't find a 2011 highlight reel, but here's a Murray State 2010 clip from youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoSg37ooAYY

Considering that quarterbacks have won the Payton every year since 2004 and that the award has seemingly become a "stat-first" honor in the past couple of years, with guys like Jeremy Moses and Bo Levi Mitchell winning it, Brockman should be one of the front-runners in 2012.

[PaladinFan]

You can have a good team with good football players and not have a good record. Not only did Chattanooga have good players, they also played at a high level the majority. Their record doesn't show it. Next time read what you are responding to and you won't look so ignorant.

It is ignorant to say UTC deserved four first team All-Conference honors.

Not a single player worthy to make first team offense. Only two Mocs even appeared on the top ten in a statistical offensive category. Bradford was 5th in receiving yards per game and the kicker was seventh in scoring.

So, you are suggesting that UTC deserved four first team all-conference players just on defense. That's nonsense. As an example, I will again refer to the 2003 Furman Defense, which is my gold standard for defense (and statistically vastly superior to the 2011 Mocs), and they only had one first teamer on defense in the coaches selection, and two by the media. That was probably the best defense I've seen in this conference and they still only had two selections. To say the Mocs deserved four is foolishness.

[Eaglesrus]

I understand him not being there now, but am confident that RB Dominique Swope of GA Southern will be in the All-America conversation post-season.


His name is on my radar. Probably a guy you rate in the 25-30 range at RB right now who could fly up the board.

I made a very similar statement about Brent Russell on a thread like this before his sophmore season. Though comparing what they do is apples to oranges in the extreme, I'm expecting that Swope will be talked about in the not too distant future similarly to the way people talk about Russell now.

[GlassOnion]

He's also slow. A player who has that frame will never be the best LB in the country. If he is than that speaks volumes about the talent level of FCS.

App's "slow" LBs have a habit of making it to the NFL, and doing quite well. Kimbrough will probably go to the NFL too.

How many FCS teams can boast about putting players in the NFL, from the same position, in succession? Jason Hunter and Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch and Mark Legree, (Richie Williams to the CFL,) Armanti Edwards and now Pressley, and DJ Smith and Kimbrough?

[smallcollegefbfan]

I made a very similar statement about Brent Russell on a thread like this before his sophmore season. Though comparing what they do is apples to oranges in the extreme, I'm expecting that Swope will be talked about in the not too distant future similarly to the way people talk about Russell now.

And you could see early on that Russell may be a stud because he did play well enough to earn all-league honors. I think Swope could be there. It's just early and he doesn't have the numbers of the others. Not saying he won't be. Someone will surprise and make the postseason AA team that nobody is thinking about right now.

[smallcollegefbfan]

App's "slow" LBs have a habit of making it to the NFL, and doing quite well. Kimbrough will probably go to the NFL too.

How many FCS teams can boast about putting players in the NFL, from the same position, in succession? Jason Hunter and Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch and Mark Legree, (Richie Williams to the CFL,) Armanti Edwards and now Pressley, and DJ Smith and Kimbrough?

Don't forget Brian Quick, too.

[Seawolf97]

I have to believe Miguel Maysonet will be in the conversation by late Octoberxthumbsupx

[Eaglesrus]

And you could see early on that Russell may be a stud because he did play well enough to earn all-league honors. I think Swope could be there. It's just early and he doesn't have the numbers of the others. Not saying he won't be. Someone will surprise and make the postseason AA team that nobody is thinking about right now.

Agreed. As I said to begin with, I understand Swope not being there now. Having watched him first hand in 12 games in 2011 I think he'll get there, however. I'm getting off my soapbox now, who wants to climb up?

[smallcollegefbfan]

I have to believe Miguel Maysonet will be in the conversation by late Octoberxthumbsupx

He was a guy I looked at as well.

[chattownmocs]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/214/068/London-Fletcher_display_image.jpg?1272607668

http://www.playattherock.com/cmsimg/KC1_8095_copy.jpg

[Silenoz]

App's "slow" LBs have a habit of making it to the NFL, and doing quite well. Kimbrough will probably go to the NFL too.

How many FCS teams can boast about putting players in the NFL, from the same position, in succession? Jason Hunter and Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch and Mark Legree, (Richie Williams to the CFL,) Armanti Edwards and now Pressley, and DJ Smith and Kimbrough?
UM had 3 consecutive safeties (Anderson, Schillinger, Wilson) and two RBs (Green and Hilliard)

[chattownmocs]

App's "slow" LBs have a habit of making it to the NFL, and doing quite well. Kimbrough will probably go to the NFL too.

How many FCS teams can boast about putting players in the NFL, from the same position, in succession? Jason Hunter and Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch and Mark Legree, (Richie Williams to the CFL,) Armanti Edwards and now Pressley, and DJ Smith and Kimbrough?

Has anyone ever sent that many players to the NFL that have All done absolutely nothing?

[GlassOnion]

Has anyone ever sent that many players to the NFL that have All done absolutely nothing?

Well, they all shut out Chattanooga for four years... thats not much, but its something.

[asumike83]

Has anyone ever sent that many players to the NFL that have All done absolutely nothing?

Nobody said they were NFL stars but D.J. Smith had a nice rookie year with 43 tackles and an INT for a very good Green Bay team. Lynch and Hunter have made nice 4 and 6-year NFL careers for themselves and were both contributors last season. Armanti is going to continue to struggle unless he gets out of Carolina and finds a team that will use him as a wildcat QB. Our best shot at high-level recognition will be from Brian Quick but even if he does not become an impact player, there are very few FCS programs that can say they've put that many players in the league over the last 5-7 years. They are going against some of the best athletes in the world and in the food chain of football careers, sticking on an NFL roster is pretty damn high.

[blueballs]

Has anyone ever sent that many players to the NFL that have All done absolutely nothing?

Who is the NFL currently that played for Chatty?

[asumike83]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/214/068/London-Fletcher_display_image.jpg?1272607668

http://www.playattherock.com/cmsimg/KC1_8095_copy.jpg

I prefer this one:

http://www2.journalnow.com/mgmedia/image/0/354/159262/w0925-appfb4/

[cbarrier90]

Who is the NFL currently that played for Chatty?

Buster Skrine, and Ronnie Lott has nothing on Buster Skrine...

[chattownmocs]

I prefer this one:

http://www2.journalnow.com/mgmedia/image/0/354/159262/w0925-appfb4/

Yeah, that shows even more of his bad weight.

[chattownmocs]

Buster Skrine, and Ronnie Lott has nothing on Buster Skrine...

He is just as good as anyone from App State in the NFL.

[cmaxwellgsu]

You can have a good team with good football players and not have a good record. Not only did Chattanooga have good players, they also played at a high level the majority. Their record doesn't show it. Next time read what you are responding to and you won't look so ignorant.

So having a good team with good players without a good record would mean poor coaching right? I mean there has to be a good reason these good players didn't have a good record.

[PaladinFan]

Can't be a good athlete and be 5-11-6' and 240-245 lbs.

or can you...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqi9JKzKWzs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vmtEhSTCaI

[chattownmocs]

Can't be a good athlete and be 5-11-6' and 240-245 lbs.

or can you...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqi9JKzKWzs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vmtEhSTCaI

Did anyone actually say that? Or are you, as always, just trying to find an excuse to plug furman.

[cbarrier90]

He is just as good as anyone from App State in the NFL.

If that's the case, Hunter, Murrell, soon-to-be Quick, AE, Smith, and maybe-Presley > Skrine.

[chattownmocs]

So having a good team with good players without a good record would mean poor coaching right? I mean there has to be a good reason these good players didn't have a good record.

There were inexplicable lapses that have to fall at the coaches feet. The schemes were fine. The players were motivated to play.

[chattownmocs]

Nope.

http://www.charlestonsertoma.org/images/Alumni/dextercoakley.jpg

I didn't realize he was still in the NFL, in that case

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/1007/nfl.terrell.owens.rare.photos/images/0.terrell.owens.57297330.jpg

[chattownmocs]

If that's the case, Hunter, Murrell, soon-to-be Quick, AE, Smith, and maybe-Presley > Skrine.

You need to lay off the crack pipe.

[PaladinFan]

Did anyone actually say that? Or are you, as always, just trying to find an excuse to plug furman.

It's a double bonus. I plug Furman and get to watch one of the few highlights in an otherwise dismal and dissapointing few years against the Mountaineers. The hit against the UNC lineman is just icing.

[Silenoz]

There were inexplicable lapses that have to fall at the coaches feet. The schemes were fine. The players were motivated to play.

Or maybe your team just isn't quite as good as you (and only you, seemingly) think

[asumike83]

Yeah, that shows even more of his bad weight.

Jeremy is a big boy, no need to hate. Our players eat their food, the Chattanooga kids can't even do that without choking.

[smallcollegefbfan]

No smack talk but at the end of the day a team is only as good as it's finish in the standings and their record. UTC was 5-6 overall and while they had the best defense it was clear their offense was not very good. And if Coleman was the best QB in FCS or even close to the best in the SoCon he would have done better than 5-6 with the best defense in the SoCon. I know he was hurt but still there are several games I can point to where Coleman threw a pick late or didn't play well enough to win. Look at the App game and even look at some of the others from this year like the Citadel game where he threw two picks that cost them.

[dgreco]

I think Jordan Brown has a chance to finish in the top 5 this year. If Bryant some how makes the playoffs in their first year, he has a shot to win it.

[Mr. C]

Has anyone ever sent that many players to the NFL that have All done absolutely nothing?

Has anyone seen another poster on AGS post as much worthless drivel as Chattownmocs? You are rivaling Lakes and Minneapolis Bison for trolling.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Has anyone seen another poster on AGS post as much worthless drivel as Chattownmocs? You are rivaling Lakes and Minneapolis Bison for trolling.

I am beginning to think he is just trying to get people up in arms over comments. Even Chatty fans are ignoring him so they must know he is just messing with everyone. I'm sure he is laughing over there that he got us.

[Eaglesrus]

I am beginning to think he is just trying to get people up in arms over comments. Even Chatty fans are ignoring him so they must know he is just messing with everyone. I'm sure he is laughing over there that he got us.

I became convinced of that approximately 4.5 months ago.

[Apphole]

I don't know. I think he's serious. Some people really are just that stupid.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I became convinced of that approximately 4.5 months ago.

I admit I have not been reading much. I have been so swamped and still am but now I have a little room to breathe at least.

I certainly believe he is messing with us.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh has 4 guys that have All American potential based on last season.

Obviously Spadola
CB Bryan Andrews Sr. 6'0 180
TE Jamel Haggins Sr. 6'3 225
DT Sajjad Chagani Sr. 6'2 290

RB Zach Barket Sr. 5'10 205 is a bit of a wildcard...

[hidalgo]

DGreco- I like Jordan as a pick if they win the NEC...........The two guys that are flying under the radar are Larry McCoy a 4 year starter and probably going to be Duquesne all-time leader in rushing and Sean Patterson QB who has over 5000 total yars and 50 tds (rushing passing combined last two seasons). If Duquesne wins the NEC and I see them being the favorite one of those two will have to be on at the end of the year.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Yeah, that shows even more of his bad weight.

You need to see him up close. That is muscle. And ask anyone who he hit this year. The kid is not soft. He is a thick, muscular kid. You must think that Ben Ijalana was just fat and sloppy huh? You do know just because you are bigger than someone doesn't mean you are fat. Kimbrough isn't fat at all.

[chattownmocs]

You need to see him up close. That is muscle. And ask anyone who he hit this year. The kid is not soft. He is a thick, muscular kid. You must think that Ben Ijalana was just fat and sloppy huh? You do know just because you are bigger than someone doesn't mean you are fat. Kimbrough isn't fat at all.

LB, OG, LB, OG, LB, OG

[smallcollegefbfan]

DGreco- I like Jordan as a pick if they win the NEC...........The two guys that are flying under the radar are Larry McCoy a 4 year starter and probably going to be Duquesne all-time leader in rushing and Sean Patterson QB who has over 5000 total yars and 50 tds (rushing passing combined last two seasons). If Duquesne wins the NEC and I see them being the favorite one of those two will have to be on at the end of the year.

I really like McCoy. Just a loaded backfeild this year. To put every deserving RB on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team I think you need to list 4 per team. I think that might get everyone deserving of mention on the AA team! lol

[hidalgo]

small college well if they win the NEC him or Patterson are a lock for one of those teams because they will have had monster years...............and have consistently done it over the last 3 years. Not to mention this is a program that didnt have scholarships 4 years ago

[busybee14]

Mike lombardo(sr)-LB Wagner. Dude should've had a lot more pub last year.put up Excellant #s and comparable if not better than some of the finalists.Watch this kid this year.True pro prospect.Talented and has a mean streak.

[nevadagriz]

Were there any griz that are on your radar scfbf? Anyone who has AA potential??
Thanks in advance.

[X-Factor]

Typically when you have a really good TEAM, you can be fantastic on the field....however you more than likely won't have anyone that stands out in the stats column.

When everyone is involved, no one sticks out. It's kind of a catch-22.

So your saying the "All-American" list isnt really an All-American list but a "stats" list? Very possible IMO

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[smallcollegefbfan]

Mike lombardo(sr)-LB Wagner. Dude should've had a lot more pub last year.put up Excellant #s and comparable if not better than some of the finalists.Watch this kid this year.True pro prospect.Talented and has a mean streak.

Not really on the radar so he will have to do well at his pro day. I'll keep my eyes out for you though.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Were there any griz that are on your radar scfbf? Anyone who has AA potential??
Thanks in advance.

Greg Hardy, Danny Kistler, and Jordan Johnson. I think Kistler and Hardy have the best shot though.

[smallcollegefbfan]

So your saying the "All-American" list isnt really an All-American list but a "stats" list? Very possible IMO

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That is what it is mostly. I mean you can't use stats on the OL but yes numbers are looked at heavily.

[Mr. C]

We all know that most of the people voting on offensive linemen are going almost purely off reputations, with little idea of which players actually deserve recognition.

[UNH72Plus]

I think UNH's RJ Harris could contend for the Payton Award. As a redshirt freshman he led the team in receptions (50) and yards (714). He's got good size and speed and showed flashes of brilliance, including 7 catches for 190 yards against Villanova. A lot will depend on UNH finding a quarterback to replace Decker, but with a pretty good o-line that only lost one player off the two deep who ever plays QB should have ample time to find Harris. The only negative I see is that he'll only be a sophomore.

[ngineer]

I'd like to see who can throw Spadola the ball before he garners any real consideration for 2012.

Yes, the Spring Game will be very interesting to see if Colvin can do the job or whether rising Jr. Bialkowski grabs the reins from him. Colvin is bigger and stronger than Lum, but the key will be how he's progressed in his mechanics on accuracy. Bialkowski has shown to be a 'purer' passer. Equally important will be the rise of the other receivers so as to take away the anticipated double team of Spadola. I also expect a bit more orientation toward the run with or use of the RB's as receivers as well, since Barket and Sherman should be real threats.

[ngineer]

Lehigh has 4 guys that have All American potential based on last season.

Obviously Spadola
CB Bryan Andrews Sr. 6'0 180
TE Jamel Haggins Sr. 6'3 225
DT Sajjad Chagani Sr. 6'2 290

RB Zach Barket Sr. 5'10 205 is a bit of a wildcard...

Especially Haggins and Chagani. Both can be real forces at their positions. I even think Haggins may be eligible for another year due to injury in 2010.

[dgreco]

small college well if they win the NEC him or Patterson are a lock for one of those teams because they will have had monster years...............and have consistently done it over the last 3 years. Not to mention this is a program that didnt have scholarships 4 years ago

I agree, the NEC has produced some great backs over the years too.