Would Spadola have made a difference?

[Milktruck74]

Regardless of what you think about the punishment.....What do you think? Would he have made enough of a difference in the game?

[Cleets]

Ugh...

[Drblankstare]

Yes, he's a great player, but the outcome would have been similar. IMO

[NoDak 4 Ever]

no

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Would Lehigh beat NDSU with him? No way to tell, but he would have made a difference. A good WR can make a difference almost as much as a QB and running back.

I hate the NCAA.

[hawkineer]

Lehigh fans, please stay away from this thread!

[HailSzczur]

Thanks alot Milktruck, just when I thought the Spadola banter was dying down.
But if you hadn't made this someone else would have

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'll just say it flat out. No.

[Cocky]

No, not sure if 6 of him would make a difference. NDSU is a good team.

[Houndawg]

No. Too much pressure on Lum.

[montanya]

NO . . . . .

[Doc QB]

I'll just say it flat out. No.

Agree. NDSU good. Real good. Best of luck onward.

[ngineer]

No difference in outcome, but a closer game. His absence allowed NDSU to clamp down on the receivers without having to double the wrs, and freeing up an LB for blitzing. Lum clearly was rushed and not in a 'comfort zone' that we saw at Towson where it was like pitch and catch. The lack of a deep threat certainly allows the dbs to play tighter and NDSU's db are excellent, so not having to watch Spadola and Drwal was important.

Again, our defense made some critical mistakes that kept them on the field too long which was huge. If Ryan played I thnk the score would have been closer, but NDSU is clearly an elite team and I was impressed with their strength and quickness. I expect to see them in Frisco.

[MTfan4life]

All these people saying "I expect to see NDSU playing in Frisco." I have them in the final in my predictions, but I don't necessarily flat out expect them to be there. Georgia Southern is also a very solid team. Their option attack will be much different from anything NDSU has seen this season. NDSU's offense will be tested next week, and Jensen looked very shaky at times today. They won't be able to afford the turnovers next week.

[Strommer10]

All these people saying "I expect to see NDSU playing in Frisco." I have them in the final in my predictions, but I don't necessarily flat out expect them to be there. Georgia Southern is also a very solid team. Their option attack will be much different from anything NDSU has seen this season. NDSU's offense will be tested next week, and Jensen looked very shaky at times today. They won't be able to afford the turnovers next week.

I agree 110%

[PAllen]

Difference in the score? Probably.

Difference in the outcome? Doubt it.

Lum choked under pressure. He probably would have done better being able to throw to his favorite receiver, but I doubt it would have been enough to win. Lum was throwing scared the whole game. I was surprised the defense stepped up and kept Lehigh in the game early. Had multiple shots at int.s that were dropped in addition to the turnovers. Lehigh loses this game with or without Spadola, because the better QB performance by far was turned in by NDSU, and LU needed a near flawless QB performance to win this one.

Good luck NDSU. xsalutex

[FarSouthBison]

Really, let the thing rest. We'll never know if he would of made a difference. LET IT REST!

[hawkineer]

Lum choked under pressure. He probably would have done better being able to throw to his favorite receiver, but I doubt it would have been enough to win. Lum was throwing scared the whole game. I was surprised the defense stepped up and kept Lehigh in the game early. Had multiple shots at int.s that were dropped in addition to the turnovers. Lehigh loses this game with or without Spadola, because the better QB performance by far was turned in by NDSU, and LU needed a near flawless QB performance to win this one.

Good luck NDSU. xsalutex
Lum choked? Given all of what he has accomplished over the past two years, it is asinine to accuse him of choking. Lehigh's not even in Fargo without his performance this year.

Also comparing Lum's performance to that of the NDSU QB's is apples and oranges. Lum's had to carry the entire offense. Jensen just had to manage the game, because of his running game. Also, Jensen wasn't under nearly as much pressure.

I try to avoid personal attacks on these boards since everyone is anonymous anyway. Your dumb a$$ post makes that extremely difficult.xmadxxmadxxmadxxmadx

[TwoFeathers]

Who cares??? Game-over!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

IMO, the Lum-Spadola combo was very much like Santos and Ball. The two in many ways made each other. Lehigh likely wouldn't have won with Spadola but they would have had a better chance. They simply had no ability to stretch the field.

Whoever takes over at QB for Lehigh next year will have plenty of toys to play with. Spadola, Barket, Sherman, Santos, Haggins could form another awesome Lehigh "O".

[TwoFeathers]

Yes, if every ignorant offensive tweet was worth 30 points.

[Franks Tanks]

Maybe Spadola helps Lehigh get on score, but NDSU dominated in areas that Splodola would be of no help.

[Twentysix]

Can spadola kick fg's? Cause apparently their kicker can't. You must fix that problem for next season.

[Cleets]

Maybe Spadola helps Lehigh get on score, but NDSU dominated in areas that Splodola would be of no help.

I think he would have helped the most if they used him at Guard on the offensive line...

Zing..!!!


:D

[Engineer86]

I think he would have helped the most if they used him at Guard on the offensive line...

Zing..!!!


:D

I did not see the game. Did the QB pressure come from the front four only or did NDSU use blitzes for the pressure. If the pressure came from blitzes, having Spadola would require more attention and blitz scheme must change ... almost as good as a guard.

Also agree with the kicker comment.

For the record, neither change the outcome though.

[LehighGuy]

Maybe Spadola helps Lehigh get on score, but NDSU dominated in areas that Splodola would be of no help.


This. Lehigh didn't lose this game because of a lack of talented receivers. They lost because they got out coached and get their asses handed to them in the trenches.

[LehighGuy]

Can spadola kick fg's? Cause apparently their kicker can't. You must fix that problem for next season.

We haven't had a consistent kicker in a decade.

[ngineer]

Difference in the score? Probably.

Difference in the outcome? Doubt it.

Lum choked under pressure. He probably would have done better being able to throw to his favorite receiver, but I doubt it would have been enough to win. Lum was throwing scared the whole game. I was surprised the defense stepped up and kept Lehigh in the game early. Had multiple shots at int.s that were dropped in addition to the turnovers. Lehigh loses this game with or without Spadola, because the better QB performance by far was turned in by NDSU, and LU needed a near flawless QB performance to win this one.

Good luck NDSU. xsalutex

Very few QBs will thrive when they have no time to go through their progressions and are running for their lives.

[ngineer]

We haven't had a consistent kicker in a decade.

True. Tough recruit top notch specialists in our situation and sometimes what you think was a good 'get' doesn't turn out at "the next level". Divers could improve. He's only a soph. and we do have a freshman, but I would suspect trying to get a kicker with a strong leg that makes a 45 yard FG a real possibility is a top need if we are to get "to the next level". We haven't had a long range kicker since Matt Douglas about 8 years ago, who set school record with 51 yarder at Colgate and beat Fordham in OT with a 45 yarder.

[Thundar]

No Lum was inaccurate and throwing lobs from the pressure, yes he would have taken more shots but flat out NDSU was the better team. Fun game though good luck the the Hawks

[Wilson16]

Lum choked? Given all of what he has accomplished over the past two years, it is asinine to accuse him of choking. Lehigh's not even in Fargo without his performance this year.

Also comparing Lum's performance to that of the NDSU QB's is apples and oranges. Lum's had to carry the entire offense. Jensen just had to manage the game, because of his running game. Also, Jensen wasn't under nearly as much pressure.

I try to avoid personal attacks on these boards since everyone is anonymous anyway. Your dumb a$$ post makes that extremely difficult.xmadxxmadxxmadxxmadx
Your correct.
Lehigh better QB
NDSU better team

[Pards Rule]

True. Tough recruit top notch specialists in our situation and sometimes what you think was a good 'get' doesn't turn out at "the next level". Divers could improve. He's only a soph. and we do have a freshman, but I would suspect trying to get a kicker with a strong leg that makes a 45 yard FG a real possibility is a top need if we are to get "to the next level". We haven't had a long range kicker since Matt Douglas about 8 years ago, who set school record with 51 yarder at Colgate and beat Fordham in OT with a 45 yarder.

Lafayette freshman kicker Austin O'Brien hit one from 48 yards this season.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

No

[heath]

yes,but Lehigh still loses 17-10

[LakesBison]

Where is Ryan...clap clap clap clap clap....Where is Ryan????

[colorless raider]

No. Too much pressure on Lum.

That made all the difference. Lehigh is very good, but NDSU is better.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I think folks really are understating the effect of the ThunderDome noise on the afternoon. It's not an excuse, but on a timing offense the effect of the noise can be really significant. The noise plus the very creative blitzing from all angles made it a tough day. I didn't see it as Lum "choking" but rather NDSU's defense really doing their homework.

[LakesBison]

L F N I agree, however Lum got hit hard a couple times early and he wanted no more after.

[ODUsmitty]

Still not comfortable with this social media "thought police" crackdown on Mr. Spadola. If you browse most college's top players' Facebook pages, you will see similar remarks in a good percentage of them. Seems like the best recourse is to let these outliers deal with their teammates (and the opposition) when making racially-tainted statements in a public forum.

That being said, it is unfortunate that Lehigh was not at full strength for this game. Lum looked pedestrian, and non-Patriot League folks will never know how good the Lehigh offense is because a key cog was removed.

Again, not condoning the tweet, but I am terrified of the NCAA "thought police" ending a team's season because some non-mainstream player posted an opinion that was outside of "acceptable" social norms.

[Milktruck74]

Still not comfortable with this social media "thought police" crackdown on Mr. Spadola. If you browse most college's top players' Facebook pages, you will see similar remarks in a good percentage of them. Seems like the best recourse is to let these outliers deal with their teammates (and the opposition) when making racially-tainted statements in a public forum.

That being said, it is unfortunate that Lehigh was not at full strength for this game. Lum looked pedestrian, and non-Patriot League folks will never know how good the Lehigh offense is because a key cog was removed.

Again, not condoning the tweet, but I am terrified of the NCAA "thought police" ending a team's season because some non-mainstream player posted an opinion that was outside of "acceptable" social norms.

+10,000

I started this thread not so much for the yes or no banter, but rather to question the NCAA's supreme authority as Judge, Jury and Executioner in this case. Let Universities police themselves....

[NDB]

No.

See picture at http://www.inforum.com/event/image/id/307644/headline/Chris%20Lum/

for evidence.

[Thunderstruck]

RS maybe a good player, Lehigh may have scored, but are you kidding that one player can make a 24 point difference? Everytime Lehigh went to the trips set, the defender covering the inside receiver was automatically sent into a blitz. Why did this happen? Because everytime Lehigh was in that formation they ran the ball or ran an all go route. So of course I would have blitzed automatically on that formation. I can see where Lum would put up huge numbers in that offense and conference. But IMO Hess (Youngstown St QB) looked 3 times better than Lum against the Bison defense.

[FargoBison]

RS maybe a good player, Lehigh may have scored, but are you kidding that one player can make a 24 point difference? Everytime Lehigh went to the trips set, the defender covering the inside receiver was automatically sent into a blitz. Why did this happen? Because everytime Lehigh was in that formation they ran the ball or ran an all go route. So of course I would have blitzed automatically on that formation. I can see where Lum would put up huge numbers in that offense and conference. But IMO Hess (Youngstown St QB) looked 3 times better than Lum against the Bison defense.

Hess had a running game to back him up. Lum had to carry that team, without a running game Lehigh was finished before the game started. Spadola or no Spadola.

[RichH2]

Hess had a running game to back him up. Lum had to carry that team, without a running game Lehigh was finished before the game started. Spadola or no Spadola.

Unfortunately , Yup

[THE HERD]

Lum was usually running for his life/throwing it away or lying on the ground most of the time......no disrespect, but you could have had Jerry Rice at WR and it probably wouldn't have got you the W. You needed a RB that was actually good more than a WR.

[Milktruck74]

Lum was usually running for his life/throwing it away or lying on the ground most of the time......no disrespect, but you could have had Jerry Rice at WR and it probably wouldn't have got you the W. You needed a RB that was actually good more than a WR.

I would guess if Lum had his normal "Go To" guy, he would have been a little more confident and been able to release the ball faster...thus getting a few completions and softening the running lanes and slowing the pass rush. The entire chemistry of a team can be disrupted by the absence of one. I don't think the final outcome would have changed, but I do feel it would have been a much closer game with him in there. THe fact that we are having to debate this falls squarely in the lap of the NCAA and their double standard of rule enforcement. If the university chose to sit RS, then it is completely different. Knowing Andy C. (was my position coach for a year) he would have been dealt with accordingly and probably would have missed the game anyway, but that should be the schools decision!!!!!.

[BisonBohl]

Folks can you take this discussion to twitter please...thanks

[X-Factor]

Folks can you take this discussion to twitter please...thanks

You can't tweet that!

[ngineer]

Lum was usually running for his life/throwing it away or lying on the ground most of the time......no disrespect, but you could have had Jerry Rice at WR and it probably wouldn't have got you the W. You needed a RB that was actually good more than a WR.

Our star RB broke his ankle November 12 and he was missed, too. But the issue with RS is that his presence would have resulted in less blitzing by NDSU. Bohl pretty much said that at his press conference. Key for Lum was to be able to get through his progressions, which is hard to do when you're running for your life. No QB can function with intense pressure. Having RS and Drwal on the field along with the third WR, TE and RB would have required the Bison to keep another LB back as there would have been a lot of doubling on RS and Drwal. I still don't think we win the game, but it would have been a better game and closer, something like 17-10.

[ddied]

This whole story was blown out of proportion and mishandled. Jim O'Day had serious conflict of interests. The NCAA "Gestapo" has no business in this matter. So what, He said the N word. It's not the N word of the '60s Civil Rights Movement. It is a word that is used every day by whites,blacks, and any other color people. Everyone posting on here has used the word at one time or another in their lives. Here's the problem. If a black player had tweeted that they were going to put a whoopin on those "crackass crackers" from Lehigh. Nothing would have been said about it. Bryant Gumble
called David Stern "the over seer of the plantation". If a white anouncer had made a similar comment, pointed at a black man. He would be fired from ESPN immediately!!! White guy tired of walking on eggshells. Call Jesse Jackson. Ryan Spadola got screwed over and probably missed getting the all-time yardage record that he rightfully deserved. That's all I have to say about that.