2011 FCS Playoff Conference Scorecard

[BlueHenSinfonian]

With the first day of the playoffs in the books, here is the standings for total conference wins/losses:

CAA: 2-0 (3 bye)
Big South: 1-0
Southland: 1-0 (1 bye)
Big South: 1-0
MEAC: 0-1 and out
NEC: 0-1 and out
OVC: 0-2 and out
SoCon: 3 bye
MVC: 2 bye
Big Sky: 2 bye

Coming up next week:
5 CAA games
3 SoCon games
2 Big Sky games
2 MVC games
2 Southland games
1 Patriot League game
1 Big South game

[apaladin]

Wasn't that the Big South's first ever playoff win? The MEAC continues their futility.

[Squealofthepig]

Wasn't that the Big South's first ever playoff win? The MEAC continues their futility.

Only one I could find, and the league's only been playing since '03.

OVC may have gone two-and-out but the Colonels earned respect (at least from me). Detractors would point out that they also struck out in two home games. :(

[Mountaineer#96]

Pretty much getting to the point that the MEAC should lose the autobid.....

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Pretty much getting to the point that the MEAC should lose the autobid.....

I disagree with that. We should applaud the MEAC for choosing to take part in the playoff process, unlike the other HBCU conference which chooses to continue to isolate themselves from the rest of the FCS world.

The MEAC has a bit of a rough lot in the playoffs because due to their geographical layout they always end up against a CAA or SoCon team in the first round, which are historically the strongest FCS conferences. Sooner or later though the MEAC is going to snag a first round game vs. the Big South, Southland, or NEC and if they field a good enough team they'll knock off a playoff win.

[theasushow]

ha...2 years ago SCSU gave asu all they could handle in the first round...nearly pulled off the W.

[Dallas Demon]

I disagree with that. We should applaud the MEAC for choosing to take part in the playoff process, unlike the other HBCU conference which chooses to continue to isolate themselves from the rest of the FCS world.

The MEAC has a bit of a rough lot in the playoffs because due to their geographical layout they always end up against a CAA or SoCon team in the first round, which are historically the strongest FCS conferences. Sooner or later though the MEAC is going to snag a first round game vs. the Big South, Southland, or NEC and if they field a good enough team they'll knock off a playoff win.

Might they be able to snag a win vs. a CAA or SoCon team in the future? Or is that completely ruled out...

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Might they be able to snag a win vs. a CAA or SoCon team in the future? Or is that completely ruled out...

Anything is possible. Ninety-nine times out of one hundred App State doesn't beat Michigan, but they pulled it off, so yeah, a MEAC team could knock off a CAA or SoCon playoff team in theory. I wouldn't put any money on it though.

[Sam_Kats]

CARDINAL SIN ALERT! CARDINAL SIN ALERT!

Demon - how dare you throw in the SoCon/CAA with ANY OTHER conference in the FCS!?!?!

[Dallas Demon]

CARDINAL SIN ALERT! CARDINAL SIN ALERT!

Demon - how dare you throw in the SoCon/CAA with ANY OTHER conference in the FCS!?!?!

I'm just sayin...

[Squealofthepig]

I'm all for including every conference champion who wants to participate; I always find it great in the NCAA basketball tourney when teams from supposedly mid-major conferences step up and make deep runs in the tourney. When all you care about are the big conferences, it's easy to not appreciate smaller conference play, and not inviting them to your party would just make us a smaller-scale, BCS-ish BS community.

[OL FU]

I'm all for including every conference champion who wants to participate; I always find it great in the NCAA basketball tourney when teams from supposedly mid-major conferences step up and make deep runs in the tourney. When all you care about are the big conferences, it's easy to not appreciate smaller conference play, and not inviting them to your party would just make us a smaller-scale, BCS-ish BS community.

ditto

[inpsite1919]

Wasn't that the Big South's first ever playoff win? The MEAC continues their futility.

I agree about the MEAC, but what about the OVC when was the last time they won a playoff game.

[inpsite1919]

Anything is possible. Ninety-nine times out of one hundred App State doesn't beat Michigan, but they pulled it off, so yeah, a MEAC team could knock off a CAA or SoCon playoff team in theory. I wouldn't put any money on it though.

The MEAC is continuing to improve as a Conference. SCSU will continue to be rebuilding in search of a QB.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I agree about the MEAC, but what about the OVC when was the last time they won a playoff game.

From what I can see the most recent was when WKU (no longer in the conference) made it to the quarterfinals in '03.

[GannonFan]

I'm all for including every conference champion who wants to participate; I always find it great in the NCAA basketball tourney when teams from supposedly mid-major conferences step up and make deep runs in the tourney. When all you care about are the big conferences, it's easy to not appreciate smaller conference play, and not inviting them to your party would just make us a smaller-scale, BCS-ish BS community.

I agree. But it should stop at the auto-bid. No reason why the OVC or MEAC deserves an at large bid at this time. What's the current combined losing streak for the two - something like 0-35 in their last playoff games? Everyone should have an auto bid (even the Pioneer) but eventually a decade of futility for both should trump any consideration for an extra playoff team.

[BEAR]

Our local paper said the UCA win was the first Southland Conference playoff road win since 2004. Is that right? xeyebrowx

[WileECoyote06]

I disagree with that. We should applaud the MEAC for choosing to take part in the playoff process, unlike the other HBCU conference which chooses to continue to isolate themselves from the rest of the FCS world.

The MEAC has a bit of a rough lot in the playoffs because due to their geographical layout they always end up against a CAA or SoCon team in the first round, which are historically the strongest FCS conferences. Sooner or later though the MEAC is going to snag a first round game vs. the Big South, Southland, or NEC and if they field a good enough team they'll knock off a playoff win.

Smart man. We've lost years of recruiting battles because of this losing streak.

[UAalum72]

From what I can see the most recent was when WKU (no longer in the conference) made it to the quarterfinals in '03.

And THAT win was, of course, against the MEAC (Florida A&M).

The past decade or so looks pretty dismal when put together.
OVC
2011 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss James Madison 17-20

Tennessee Tech First Round
Loss Central Arkansas 14-34

2010 SE Missouri St. Second Round
Loss Eastern Washington 17-37

Jacksonville St. Second Round
Loss Wofford 14-17

2009 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Western Illinois 7-48

2008 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss Richmond 10-33

2007 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss Richmond 14-31

Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Southern Illinois 11-30

2006 UT-Martin First Round
Loss Southern Illinois 30-36

Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Illinois St. 13-24

2005 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Southern Illinois (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000129.html) 6-21

2004 Jacksonville St. First Round
Loss Furman (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000413.html) 7-49

2003 Jacksonville St. First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 7-45

2002 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Western Illinois (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000197.html) 9-48

Murray St. First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 20-59

2001 Eastern Illinois First Round Loss
Northern Iowa (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000113.html) 43-49

2000 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Montana (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000090.html) 13-45

2000 Western Kentucky Second Round
Loss Appalachian St. 14-17

Western Kentucky First Round Win
Florida A&M 27-0

1999 Tennessee St First Round
Loss North Carolina A&T (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000554.html) 10-24

1998 Tennessee St First Round
Loss Appalachian State (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000280.html) 31-45

1997 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 14-42

1996 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Northern Iowa (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000113.html) 14-21

MEAC
2011 Norfolk State First Round
Loss Old Dominion 18-35

2010 Bethune-Cookman Second Round
Loss New Hampshire 20-45

South Carolina St. First Round
Loss Georgia Southern 16-41

2009 South Carolina St. First Round
Loss Appalachian St. 13-20

2008 South Carolina St. First Round
Loss Appalachian St. 21-37

2007 Delaware St. First Round
Loss Delaware 7-44

2006 Hampton First Round
Loss New Hampshire 38-41

2005 Hampton First Round
Loss Richmond (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000600.html) 10-38

2004 Hampton First Round
Loss William & Mary (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000743.html) 35-42

2003 Bethune-Cookman First Round
Loss Florida Atlantic (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000758.html) 24-32

2003 NCA&T First Round
Loss Wofford (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000199.html) L 10-31

2002 Bethune-Cookman First Round
Loss Georgia Southern (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000419.html) 0-34

2001 FAMU First Round
Loss Georgia Southern (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000419.html) 35-60

2000 FAMU First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 0-27

[inpsite1919]

I agree. But it should stop at the auto-bid. No reason why the OVC or MEAC deserves an at large bid at this time. What's the current combined losing streak for the two - something like 0-35 in their last playoff games? Everyone should have an auto bid (even the Pioneer) but eventually a decade of futility for both should trump any consideration for an extra playoff team.
Your right.... Why even have the playoffs. We should just let the CAA VS Socon play for the title. That's why FBS will never have a playoff system, because the power conference will only be represented. At least the BCS only allows two teams max per conference

[Dallas Demon]

From what I can see the most recent was when WKU (no longer in the conference) made it to the quarterfinals in '03.

Western Kentucky was in the Gateway Conference, not the OVC.

[Big Dawg]

I mean the MEAC hasn't exactly had the easiest draw in the playoffs(always a top SoCon or CAA team)...the last time the MEAC won in the playoffs, FAMU did defeat a SoCon team...Appalachian State...but that was 12 years ago.

Hampton pissed away a game back in either 2005 or 2006(they had the game won)...and SCSU did the same against ASU back in 09...remember the botched snap on the FG in the 4th quarter that ASU returned for a TD and ended up being the game winner. The MEAC has been close, but just can't get it done.

I will say that I think BCU and FAMU had the two most talented teams in the MEAC this season...coaching ruined us this year...and BCU layed a surprising egg against NCA&T.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Western Kentucky was in the Gateway Conference, not the OVC.

Good catch, I was just looking down a list of past OVC Champions and I saw WKU won the OVC in '00, but apparently they only spent two years in the OVC before bolting to the Gateway in '01.

[Engineer86]

And THAT win was, of course, against the MEAC (Florida A&M).

The past decade or so looks pretty dismal when put together.
OVC
2011 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss James Madison 17-20

Tennessee Tech First Round
Loss Central Arkansas 14-34

2010 SE Missouri St. Second Round
Loss Eastern Washington 17-37

Jacksonville St. Second Round
Loss Wofford 14-17

2009 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Western Illinois 7-48

2008 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss Richmond 10-33

2007 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss Richmond 14-31

Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Southern Illinois 11-30

2006 UT-Martin First Round
Loss Southern Illinois 30-36

Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Illinois St. 13-24

2005 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Southern Illinois (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000129.html) 6-21

2004 Jacksonville St. First Round
Loss Furman (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000413.html) 7-49

2003 Jacksonville St. First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 7-45

2002 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Western Illinois (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000197.html) 9-48

Murray St. First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 20-59

2001 Eastern Illinois First Round Loss
Northern Iowa (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000113.html) 43-49

2000 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Montana (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000090.html) 13-45

2000 Western Kentucky Second Round
Loss Appalachian St. 14-17

Western Kentucky First Round Win
Florida A&M 27-0

1999 Tennessee St First Round
Loss North Carolina A&T (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000554.html) 10-24

1998 Tennessee St First Round
Loss Appalachian State (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000280.html) 31-45

1997 Eastern Kentucky First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 14-42

1996 Eastern Illinois First Round
Loss Northern Iowa (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000113.html) 14-21

MEAC
2011 Norfolk State First Round
Loss Old Dominion 18-35

2010 Bethune-Cookman Second Round
Loss New Hampshire 20-45

South Carolina St. First Round
Loss Georgia Southern 16-41

2009 South Carolina St. First Round
Loss Appalachian St. 13-20

2008 South Carolina St. First Round
Loss Appalachian St. 21-37

2007 Delaware St. First Round
Loss Delaware 7-44

2006 Hampton First Round
Loss New Hampshire 38-41

2005 Hampton First Round
Loss Richmond (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000600.html) 10-38

2004 Hampton First Round
Loss William & Mary (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000743.html) 35-42

2003 Bethune-Cookman First Round
Loss Florida Atlantic (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000758.html) 24-32

2003 NCA&T First Round
Loss Wofford (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000199.html) L 10-31

2002 Bethune-Cookman First Round
Loss Georgia Southern (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000419.html) 0-34

2001 FAMU First Round
Loss Georgia Southern (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000419.html) 35-60

2000 FAMU First Round
Loss Western Kentucky (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/team000198.html) 0-27

Wow, good information. I have to agree, what have either of these conferences done to be considered for an at large bid. Every conference winner should get their shot, but with a track record like that neither of these two leagues deserve consideration for a second team until they win, at least once in a while.

[Jazzman1522]

Why should past performance have anything to do with how many teams a conference gets into the playoffs? It should be based on that season's body of work. And yes, I am arguing in favor of the OVC's two bids this season. What happened last year, or any other year, should have no bearing whatsoever on who gets into the playoffs this year. It should be based on each team's body of work that season. Has the OVC sucked in the playoffs lately? Heck yeah they have! And it ticks me off! But if they, or the MEAC, or any other conference for that matter, has two good teams that deserve a shot in the playoffs, they should get it, regardless of what the conference has done in the past (And I'm arguing the principle, not a specific situation. Please let's not start an EKU vs. ISUr argument. Totally not the point here).

[VT Wildcat Fan53]

I disagree with that. We should applaud the MEAC for choosing to take part in the playoff process, unlike the other HBCU conference which chooses to continue to isolate themselves from the rest of the FCS world.

The MEAC has a bit of a rough lot in the playoffs because due to their geographical layout they always end up against a CAA or SoCon team in the first round, which are historically the strongest FCS conferences. Sooner or later though the MEAC is going to snag a first round game vs. the Big South, Southland, or NEC and if they field a good enough team they'll knock off a playoff win.

Agreed. Great point.

[Big Dawg]

Wow, good information. I have to agree, what have either of these conferences done to be considered for an at large bid. Every conference winner should get their shot, but with a track record like that neither of these two leagues deserve consideration for a second team until they win, at least once in a while.

I don't think you should punish the current teams based on what happened to other teams in the past. You never know when a team could break through...HOWEVER, I do understand why people feel the way you guys do.

[Cleets]

Why should past performance have anything to do with how many teams a conference gets into the playoffs? It should be based on that season's body of work. And yes, I am arguing in favor of the OVC's two bids this season. What happened last year, or any other year, should have no bearing whatsoever on who gets into the playoffs this year. It should be based on each team's body of work that season. Has the OVC sucked in the playoffs lately? Heck yeah they have! And it ticks me off! But if they, or the MEAC, or any other conference for that matter, has two good teams that deserve a shot in the playoffs, they should get it, regardless of what the conference has done in the past (And I'm arguing the principle, not a specific situation. Please let's not start an EKU vs. ISUr argument. Totally not the point here).


I agree with this ^
20 teams get to go now...!!!!
It's a good time in FCS to make some out of the box play-off team selections and find out if some of these surprise teams are just that...
There's always going to be a bunch of CAA team and a few SoCon and Big Sky teams (Always)

Let's see who else is playing good football - all it costs the fans is one less CAA team in the bracket (big deal)



:D xrotatehx :D xrotatehx

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Why should past performance have anything to do with how many teams a conference gets into the playoffs? It should be based on that season's body of work. And yes, I am arguing in favor of the OVC's two bids this season. What happened last year, or any other year, should have no bearing whatsoever on who gets into the playoffs this year. It should be based on each team's body of work that season. Has the OVC sucked in the playoffs lately? Heck yeah they have! And it ticks me off! But if they, or the MEAC, or any other conference for that matter, has two good teams that deserve a shot in the playoffs, they should get it, regardless of what the conference has done in the past (And I'm arguing the principle, not a specific situation. Please let's not start an EKU vs. ISUr argument. Totally not the point here).

Past playoff results are very relevant. When the champ of a particular conference is routinely sent home in the first round it shows that even though that team may be successful against other teams in that conference, the level of play in that conference isn't high enough to justify an at large berth vs. teams from stronger conferences with less numerically impressive records.

Delaware didn't make the playoffs this year, being 6-4 vs. D1 opponents, but only lost to other CAA teams and FBS Navy. Had Delaware had Norfolk State's schedule there's a good chance we would have headed into the playoffs at 10-1 (WVU would have still likely been a loss).

If the data shows that teams that routinely win the OVC and MEAC can't beat the first OOC team they meet in the playoffs, it suggests that success of those teams has to be tempered by the weaker level of competition they had to face to get their numbers. I agree that each conference champ should get an autobid, but beyond that, if the best team from a particular conference is shown to be incapable of winning a playoff game for over a decade, I don't see wasting a playoff spot for the second best team in that conference.

[kalm]

The 20 team field complicates this process but there's no way a 7-4 team from an OVC or Southland has a better resume than a 7-4 team from one of the four power conferences.

[Big Dawg]

Past playoff results are very relevant. When the champ of a particular conference is routinely sent home in the first round it shows that even though that team may be successful against other teams in that conference, the level of play in that conference isn't high enough to justify an at large berth vs. teams from stronger conferences with less numerically impressive records.

Delaware didn't make the playoffs this year, being 6-4 vs. D1 opponents, but only lost to other CAA teams and FBS Navy. Had Delaware had Norfolk State's schedule there's a good chance we would have headed into the playoffs at 10-1 (WVU would have still likely been a loss).

If the data shows that teams that routinely win the OVC and MEAC can't beat the first OOC team they meet in the playoffs, it suggests that success of those teams has to be tempered by the weaker level of competition they had to face to get their numbers. I agree that each conference champ should get an autobid, but beyond that, if the best team from a particular conference is shown to be incapable of winning a playoff game for over a decade, I don't see wasting a playoff spot for the second best team in that conference.

But look at who the MEAC squads have been lined up against some of the strongest teams in the FCS field...it hasn't exactly been a cake walk

Since 2002
2002: BCU(first playoff appearance) lost to Georgia Southern...GSU made it to the semi-finals
2003: BCU lost to FAU 32-24...FAU made it to the semi-finals...NCA&T lost to Georgia SOuthern...GSU made it to the semi-finals
2004: Hampton(first playoff appearance) lost 42-35 to W&M...W&M made it to the semi-finals
2007: DSU(first playoff appearance) lost 44-7 to Delaware...Delaware made it to the National Title game
2008: SCSU lost to #2 seed back-to-back-to-back National Title winner Appalachian State
2009: SCSU lost 20-13 to ASU...ASU made it to the Semi-Finals
2010: SCSU lost to Georgia Southern...GSU made it to the Semi-Finals

These aren't all of the games, just a few tat stuck out...however, this is no excuse for losing.

[superman7515]

Why should past performance have anything to do with how many teams a conference gets into the playoffs?

Because the NCAA says it should.


The Division I Football Championship Committee will annually make the determination
of which eligible conferences will receive automatic qualification. The following criteria
are used when determining which conferences shall receive annual automatic qualification
for the NCAA Division I Football Championship:
1. Non-conference records;
2. Strength of non-conference opponents;
3. Recent postseason history; and
4. Competition against Football Bowl Subdivision opponents.

If the NCAA says you have to win playoff games to even hold on to your automatic qualifier, then certainly if you can't win those games, you shouldn't be getting two teams in. Now, that's not necessarily my opinion, but if it's specified by the NCAA, it's hard to argue that they should be in a position to possibly lose their AQ but keep getting two or more teams in the playoffs.

[OL FU]

Your right.... Why even have the playoffs. We should just let the CAA VS Socon play for the title. That's why FBS will never have a playoff system, because the power conference will only be represented. At least the BCS only allows two teams max per conference

your point would be valid if there was no AQ. But since there are AQs, it's not. In the BCS, there is only one game for the championship. The other BCS games are simply for bowls and the limit on BCS bowls does not stop the SEC from having 4,5 or 6 bowl teams. The fact that there are AQs allows every conference the chance to win the title. I firmly believe that chance should be provided to the PFL as others have stated.

[GannonFan]

Why should past performance have anything to do with how many teams a conference gets into the playoffs? It should be based on that season's body of work. And yes, I am arguing in favor of the OVC's two bids this season. What happened last year, or any other year, should have no bearing whatsoever on who gets into the playoffs this year. It should be based on each team's body of work that season. Has the OVC sucked in the playoffs lately? Heck yeah they have! And it ticks me off! But if they, or the MEAC, or any other conference for that matter, has two good teams that deserve a shot in the playoffs, they should get it, regardless of what the conference has done in the past (And I'm arguing the principle, not a specific situation. Please let's not start an EKU vs. ISUr argument. Totally not the point here).

As others have said, past performance should (and does) have an impact on who is picked every year. OOC games between FCS conferences tend to be pretty rare and in 11-12 game seasons, they don't tell a lot. So therefore, it's really hard to tell how one conference matches up against another conference if you only look at one year's worth of regular season games. Heck, there were very well respected members of the media on this board even who really thought that Norfolk St would play tight with ODU, and maybe even beat them. Of course, Norfolk St looked great in MEAC games, but apparently, and as proven by history, those aren't real good barometers of how good a team is. The only time you really get a view of conference versus conference is in the playoffs. And the MEAC and the OVC have now gone 0-36 between them in their last 36 playoff appearances and haven't won a game in over a decade. It's hard to argue that a stat that staggering shouldn't matter.

[GannonFan]

your point would be valid if there was no AQ. But since there are AQs, it's not. In the BCS, there is only one game for the championship. The other BCS games are simply for bowls and the limit on BCS bowls does not stop the SEC from having 4,5 or 6 bowl teams. The fact that there are AQs allows every conference the chance to win the title. I firmly believe that chance should be provided to the PFL as others have stated.

+1 - any comparison to the BCS is just bogus. If this were the BCS you'd only see the CAA, SoCon, and Big Sky in the playoffs. However, we're clearly not doing that nor is anyone suggesting that we do that. AQ's are fine the way they are and I'm even in favor of giving an AQ to the Pioneer. What I'm not in favor of is continuing to give at large bids to conferences that continue to show poorly in the playoffs. If you haven't won a playoff game in a decade, you really have to question why a conference is getting at large bids, sometimes repeatedly.

[UNI Pike]

Why should past performance have anything to do with how many teams a conference gets into the playoffs? It should be based on that season's body of work. And yes, I am arguing in favor of the OVC's two bids this season. What happened last year, or any other year, should have no bearing whatsoever on who gets into the playoffs this year. It should be based on each team's body of work that season. Has the OVC sucked in the playoffs lately? Heck yeah they have! And it ticks me off! But if they, or the MEAC, or any other conference for that matter, has two good teams that deserve a shot in the playoffs, they should get it, regardless of what the conference has done in the past (And I'm arguing the principle, not a specific situation. Please let's not start an EKU vs. ISUr argument. Totally not the point here).

If by lately, you mean the last 20 attempts, you are correct.

Please note that the time is fast approaching where incoming freshmen players (18 years old) will have been born after the last OVC playoff win by a current member. (That would be the 2015 season for those math challenged). Argue all you want, but that is a pathetic record.

[blukeys]

Does anyone remember the argument that we would eliminate the controversy about who got selected for the playoffs if we expanded to 20 teams??? (Soon to be 24, then 32, then 64.

[Cleets]

Does anyone remember the argument that we would eliminate the controversy about who got selected for the playoffs if we expanded to 20 teams??? (Soon to be 24, then 32, then 64.

xlolx



xbangx

[Jazzman1522]

Does anyone remember the argument that we would eliminate the controversy about who got selected for the playoffs if we expanded to 20 teams??? (Soon to be 24, then 32, then 64.

Obviously, that'll never happen. It's like when people suggested expanding the basketball tournament to 128 teams to eliminate controversy. You do that, team #129 gets ticked because they should have made it. That's part of the fun though, in my opinion. I enjoy these discussions about who should and shouldn't get in, as long as they remain discussions and don't become huge arguments.

[PAllen]

Does anyone remember the argument that we would eliminate the controversy about who got selected for the playoffs if we expanded to 20 teams??? (Soon to be 24, then 32, then 64.

This argument is a whole lot tamer than the ones I remember back with a field of 16. Arguing a team placing 5th or 6th in their CONFERENCE should get in in place of a team finishing a close 2nd in a weaker conference is just silly.

[OL FU]

Does anyone remember the argument that we would eliminate the controversy about who got selected for the playoffs if we expanded to 20 teams??? (Soon to be 24, then 32, then 64.

blukeys returnsxthumbsupx

[OL FU]

This argument is a whole lot tamer than the ones I remember back with a field of 16. Arguing a team placing 5th or 6th in their CONFERENCE should get in in place of a team finishing a close 2nd in a weaker conference is just silly.

and they don't, except for the CAA;)

Actually I tend to agree with this also. Oh hell I agree with everythingxlolx I know it can get there but typically the argument is not down to that level. But if it gets there you have to look at how close the 5th team was. A fifth team with a 5-3 conference record who is 7-4 overall in one of the better conferences probably is a better choice. A fifth team who is 4-4 in the conference, not so much.

[BEAR]

Hey FCS fans, what bowl game or all-star game is played in Atlanta on or about January 14, 2012? Thanks!

[blukeys]

This argument is a whole lot tamer than the ones I remember back with a field of 16. Arguing a team placing 5th or 6th in their CONFERENCE should get in in place of a team finishing a close 2nd in a weaker conference is just silly.

Yeah imagine a 5th place team from a conference actually going on the road and beating a conference co champion of another conference. xeyebrowx

That would be just silly. Let's not pick the best teams for the at large slots and instead give the weaker conferences another at large because it is their turn.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

After Round 2:

This Week:

Big Sky: 2-0
MCFV: 2-0
Patriot: 1-0
Southland: 1-1
SoCon: 1-2
CAA: 1-4
Big South: 0-1 and out


Running Totals:
CAA: 3-4
Big Sky: 2-0
MVC: 2-0
Patriot: 1-0
Southland: 2-1
Big South: 1-1 (out)
MEAC: 0-1 (out)
NEC: 0-1 (out)
OVC: 0-2 (out)