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    Week 9 Playoff Prognostication

    3 weeks and closing until Selection Sunday so time for an updated playoff prognostication. I broke it down by conference listing the teams in order from where I think (using Massey as a guide) each team sits in terms of easiest path to the playoffs to toughest path within their conference. You can see all of Massey's updated numbers at https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/fcs/ratings. The numbers in brackets behind each team is Massey's expected remaining wins and losses and the percentage in parenthesis behind each remaining game is Massey's percentage that each team wins that respective game. Using Massey percentages to project the remaining game I put together what I think would be the field at the bottom of this post if it all played out like it's supposed to (which we all know it won't).



    Big Sky
    There's basically 4 teams in contention here as UC Davis and Portland St play an elimination game this week and probably only UC Davis has a realistic shot at 7-4 which still puts them at the mercy of the bubble which is looking pretty tough. Idaho's big win last week sets them up for a nice seed if they win out but Montana St can still get back to the top of this heap if they also win out. Montana matches up with 2 of the other top 3 in these last 3 weeks (and @Portland St won't be a gimme either) so they could still play themselves up to a top 2 seed or down to the bubble. Sac St is still in decent shape since they don't need a win in Missoula this week but getting one would basically lock them in. I think this league gets 4 bids this year and up to 3 seeds.

    Likely in
    Montana St 6-2 (4-1) [2.28/0.78] - NAU (89%), EWU (80%), @Montana (59%)
    Montana 7-1 (4-1) [1.71/1.29] - Sac St (57%), @Portland St (73%), Montana St (41%)
    Idaho 6-2 (4-1) [2.39/0.61] - @UNC (96%), @Weber St (54%), Idaho St (89%)

    Trending towards in
    Sac St 6-2 (3-2) [1.99/1.01] - @Montana (43%), Cal Poly (97%), @UC Davis (59%)

    Work left to do
    UC Davis 4-4 (2-3) [1.86/1.14] - Portland St (69%), @Idaho St (75%), Sac St (41%)
    Portland St 4-4 (3-2) [1.33/1.67] - @UC Davis (31%), Montana (27%), @UNC (75%)


    CAA
    The playoff contenders in the CAA thinned yesterday with Monmouth, Towson, and Campbell all bowing out. The problem with this league is there's so many teams already right on the bubble that they're going to knock each other out which softens the bubble but it also devalues the wins for the teams that got them since they were against teams now out of contention. Delaware is still looking very good and tracking towards a high seed. I'm starting to wonder if 7 wins will even be enough for Nova or Albany so each might need to win 2 of their last which could be iffy. William & Mary and Richmond are in if they win out but I think they're on even tougher footing if they only get to 7 wins. The rest need to win out and even then I'm not sure it'll be enough. A lot still depends on who amongst these CAA bubble teams is still standing at 7-4 come Selection Sunday and then the head-to-head wins amongst that group will be magnified. I'm thinking 3-4 bids is all this list of contenders in this league can hope for this year.

    Likely in
    Delaware 7-1 (5-0) [2.22/0.78] - Elon (81%), @Campbell (77%), Nova (64%)

    Trending towards in
    Villanova 6-2 (4-1) [1.75/1.25] - @UNH (54%), Towson (85%), @Delaware (36%)
    Albany 6-3 (4-1) [2.08/0.92] - W&M (58%), @SBU (91%), Monmouth (59%)

    Work left to do
    William & Mary 5-3 (3-2) [1.94/1.06] - @Albany (42%), @Hamptom (92%), Richmond (60%)
    Richmond 6-3 (5-1) [1.09/0.91] - Elon (69%), @W&M (40%)
    Rhode Island 5-4 (3-3) [1.51/0.49] - NC A&T (90%), @Towson (61%)
    Elon 4-4 (4-1) [1.43/1.57] - @Delaware (19%), @Richmond (31%), Hampton (94%)
    New Hampshire 4-4 (2-3) [1.68/1.32] - Nova (46%), @Monmouth (48%), Maine (74%)
    Hampton 4-4 (2-3) [0.36/2.64] - @Maine (21%), W&M (8%), @Elon (6%)


    MVFC
    The MVFC is still looking like it could hoard a ton of at-large bids (as many as 6) if things play out according to the Massey percentages - which they did last week. SDSU is the first lock in the field IMO and Massey like SIU's chances to get 8 wins which puts them easily in. USD and NDSU have some big tests coming up but they probably each only need to win one to get in although they'll put their fates on the bubble at 7-4. UND won yesterday but their numbers took a hit and Massey now projects them to lose to USD which took them from a low seed last week to shaky footing on the bubble this week. UNI continues to plug along and might get to that last game vs NDSU at 7-3 (6-1) which should get them regardless of how that game turns out and seeded if they win out. Even YSU has a manageable path to 7 wins although I think they'd be squarely on the bubble in that case. Illinois St is probably not going to make it to Selection Sunday with 4 losses but if they do they could make it in (which would likely knock out UND). I think 5 bids is the floor for the MVFC this year with a decent shot at 6 and even 7 is possible.

    Locked in
    SDSU 8-0 (5-0) [2.50/0.50] - NDSU (73%), @YSU (82%), Missouri St (95%)

    Likely in
    SIU 6-2 (3-2) [2.02/0.98] - USD (81%), @NDSU (22%), Indiana St (99%)

    Trending towards in
    USD 6-2 (4-1) [1.65/1.35] - @SIU (19%), UND (50%), @WIU (96%)
    NDSU 6-2 (3-2) [1.74/1.26] - @SDSU (27%), SIU (78%), @UNI (70%)

    Work left do to
    UNI 5-3 (4-1) [1.89/1.11] - WIU (98%), @Missouri St (61%), NDSU (30%)
    UND 5-3 (3-2) [2.05/0.95] - @Murray St (88%), @USD (50%), Illinois St (67%)
    YSU 5-3 (3-2) [1.87/1.13] - @Indiana St (84%), SDSU (18%), @Murray St (85%)
    Illinois St 4-4 (2-3) [1.70/1.30] - @Missouri St (45%), Murray St (93%), @UND (33%)


    SOCON
    Mercer's big win over WCU complicates things a bit in the SOCON. Furman and Chattanooga play the de facto conference title game this Saturday - Massey still likes UTC at home and if that happens things get a little simpler and could get the SOCON an extra playoff bid IMO. If Furman wins that jumble of UTC, Mercer, and WCU might be a mess to sort out with everyone going 1-1 against each other. If any of those teams get to 8 wins they're in but 7 wins would be get sketchy for any and all of them and head-to-head may play a big factor if only 2 of them are on the bubble at 7-4. Samford is still hanging around but needs to win both of their final two which isn't impossible but seems unlikely. This league could still get anywhere from 2-4 bids IMO - it's just too early to tell.

    Likely in
    Furman 7-1 (5-0) [2.39/0.61] - @UTC (47%), VMI (98%), @Wofford (94%)

    Work left to do
    Chattanooga 7-2 (6-1) [0.53/1.47] - Furman (53%), @Bama (~0%)
    Mercer 6-3 (4-2) [1.44/0.56] - @The Citadel (93%), Samford (51%)
    Western Carolina 5-3 (3-2) [2.21/0.79] - @Wofford (73%), ETSU (71%), @VMI (77%)
    Samford 5-4 (4-3) [0.96/1.04] - @Mercer (49%), UTM (47%)


    Patriot
    As Massey projected Holy Cross beat Fordham which means not much changed from last week in the Patriot. I think Lafayette's win over Georgetown solidified their playoff chances as Massey has them as a strong favorite to get to 9-2 which means they'd be the autobid since only HC has fewer than 2 losses in league play and Lafayette beat them head-to-head. If Holy Cross can win out, which would include a win over FBS Army, they should get an at-large but that might knock Fordham out even if they win out (as Massey projects). If either HC or Fordham loses one more they're probably on the outside looking in but Fordham might even get snubbed at 8-3. I think the Patriot could snag an at-large bid again but 2 seems unlikely and it could even be a one bid league still.

    Trending towards in
    Lafayette 7-1 (3-0) [2.07/0.93] - Colgate (81%), Fordham (46%), @Lehigh (81%)

    Work left to do
    Holy Cross 5-3 (3-1) [2.14/0.86] - @Lehigh (92%), @Army (28%), Georgetown (94%)
    Fordham 5-3 (1-2) [2.13/0.87] - Bucknell (87%), @Lafayette (54%), @Colgate (72%)


    UAC
    Despite UCA being upset by Tarleton not much changed in the UAC. All 3 of these teams listed control their own destiny for the autobid. However, an at-large for this conference looks increasingly unlikely - APSU may have a shot at 8-3 but they'd need some help elswhere on the bubble to get in. I think this is just a one-bid league with these 3 teams duking it out over the next 3 weeks to see who takes the auto.

    Work left to do
    Austin Peay 6-2 (3-0) [2.17/0.83] - @EKU (65%), Utah Tech (87%), UCA (65%)
    UCA 5-3 (2-1) [1.78/1.22] - @UNA (78%), EKU (66%), @APSU (35%)
    EKU 4-4 (3-0) [1.19/1.81] - Austin Peay (35%), @UCA (34%), SFA (49%)


    OVC/Big South
    UTM's loss to G-W made a real mess out of the OVC/Big South. Only SEMO controls their own destiny for the autobid and UTM, EIU, and Tennessee St could all make strong cases for an at-large if any of them wins out but doesn't get the autobid. I added Bryant and Gardner-Webb to this list this week since both could still tie for a share of the conference title should SEMO lose (and Bryant still plays them) but they play each other this week which almost certainly eliminates the loser. It's possible this league gets an at-large especially if UTM wins out but doesn't get the auto but who knows with so much still to be decided.

    Work left to do
    UT Martin 6-2 (3-1) [1.94/1.06] - @TTU (90%), SEMO (51%), @Samford (53%)
    SEMO 4-4 (3-0) [2.26/0.74] - RMU (98%), @UTM (49%), @Bryant (79%)
    EIU 5-3 (1-2) [2.14/0.86] - @Lindenwood (67%), TSU (60%), @RMU (87%)
    Tennessee St 6-2 (2-1) [1.84/1.16] - @CSU (67%), @EIU (40%), TTU (78%)
    Gardner-Webb 4-4 (2-1) [2.00/1.00] - @Bryant (54%), @TTU (66%), CSU (80%)
    Bryant 4-4 (2-1) [1.25/1.75] - G-W (46%), @Lindenwood (58%), SEMO (21%)


    Others
    Still just lonely UIW in this group for now as FAMU and NCCU kept their grips on their Celebration Bowl bids and the previous 3 leagues mentioned still have 3 or more teams in contention. Nicholls could crash this party if they beat UIW (and the way UIW has been squeaking by lately they might be ripe for plucking) which would put UIW in a tough spot since they only have 10 games scheduled now with the NWSU game cancelled and they have a sub-D1 win so 7-2 vs D1 probably puts them on the bubble if they lose to Nicholls.

    Likely in
    Incarnate Word 7-1 (4-0) [1.65/0.35] - Nicholls (73%), @HCU (92%)


    The Field

    So there's 14 at-large available (1 more than last year with the Big South and OVC merging) - this is where I see them landing if things go to plan based on Massey odds over the last 3 weeks (which of course they won't) - the lists includes the autos so there's one additional team for each conference on top of the at-larges:
    Big Sky: 3 - Idaho (9-2), Montana St (9-2), Montana (9-2), Sac St (8-3)
    CAA: 2 - Delaware (10-1), Albany (9-3), Villanova (8-3)
    MVFC: 5 - SDSU (11-0), USD (8-3), NDSU (8-3), SIU (8-3), UNI (7-4), UND (7-4)
    SOCON: 3 - Furman (9-2), Chattanooga (8-3), Mercer (8-3), WCU (8-3)
    Patriot: 1 - Lafayette (9-2), Fordham (8-3)

    The other 5 autos:
    OVC/Big South: UTM (9-2)
    UAC: APSU (9-2)
    SLC: UIW (9-1)
    NEC: Duquesne (8-3)
    Pioneer: Davidson (9-2)

    The seeds
    1. SDSU (11-0)
    2. Delaware (10-1)
    3. Idaho (9-2)
    4. Montana St (9-2)
    5. Furman (9-2)
    6. Montana (9-2)
    7. USD (8-3)
    8. NDSU (8-3)

    Last 4 in: WCU (8-3), UNI (7-4), UND (7-4), Fordham (8-3)
    First 4 out: YSU (7-4), EIU (8-3), William & Mary (7-4), Holy Cross (7-4)

    Others on the outside looking in amongst the teams I've listed above: TSU (8-3), Richmond (7-4), Rhode Island (7-4), UCA (7-4), Gardner-Webb (7-4), UC Davis (6-5)

    I gave UTM the Big South/OVC auto for sake of ease since Massey projects a 3-way tie with SEMO and G-W (who don't play each other) so not sure how the tie breakers would work. Mercer grabbing another at-large for the SOCON tightened the bubble from last week which bumped YSU out for me. I think they could make an arugment over Fordham (or UND) but I wonder if politics come into play, even though it's not supposed to, with 6 MVFC teams already in the field. I think UIW at 9-1 or Sac St at 8-3 would be in play for that 8 seed but I think UIW's SOS is just too poor and Sac St would be 4 seeds for the Big Sky (which they've done before) but thinking that's not going to happen (EDIT: Chattanooga at 8-3 probably in play for the #8 seed as well - could see them getting the nod over NDSU probably moreso than the other 2 I mentioned).

    What do you think? Feel free to throw out your projection - it's kind of a fun exercise IMO.
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    Week 9 Playoff Prognostication

    Appreciate these posts. I don’t see a way NDSU makes the playoffs though. We have a better chance of losing out than we do winning 2/3 IMO.

    UNI and SIU will bully our defense. SDSU lmao…

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    Love your work, Chaos. Thanks for putting in the time to do this.

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    Re: Week 9 Playoff Prognostication

    Massey has the UTC vs Furman game as basically a toss-up. If FU wins a very close game and finishes 10-1, do they move to the #2 or #3 seed? And if UTC loses a game say 28-26 instead of winning a game by the same score, do they get dropped out at 7-4? The UNA game was a brutal loss for the Mocs (and being honest - the SOCON), but it was in game 1 and seems tough to think a 3 or 4 point difference against the #2 or #3 team in the country this coming weekend would be the difference in them making or missing the playoffs - I would think a close loss proves they actually are playoff-worthy versus the other way around.

    I know this is purely on the Massey projections, and I also appreciate you pulling all of this together. But interested in what others think specifically of Chattanooga. I am obviously somewhat biased, as I have watched many of their games. I also hope that some consideration is given to the SOCON since we are true round-robin. Yes we get to play the bottom-tier teams, but there is no dodging the best teams in the league, either. So 2 or so losses with at least 1 win when you play at least 3 other playoff-caliber teams is at least defendable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wcugrad95 View Post
    Massey has the UTC vs Furman game as basically a toss-up. If FU wins a very close game and finishes 10-1, do they move to the #2 or #3 seed? And if UTC loses a game say 28-26 instead of winning a game by the same score, do they get dropped out at 7-4? The UNA game was a brutal loss for the Mocs (and being honest - the SOCON), but it was in game 1 and seems tough to think a 3 or 4 point difference against the #2 or #3 team in the country this coming weekend would be the difference in them making or missing the playoffs - I would think a close loss proves they actually are playoff-worthy versus the other way around.

    I know this is purely on the Massey projections, and I also appreciate you pulling all of this together. But interested in what others think specifically of Chattanooga. I am obviously somewhat biased, as I have watched many of their games. I also hope that some consideration is given to the SOCON since we are true round-robin. Yes we get to play the bottom-tier teams, but there is no dodging the best teams in the league, either. So 2 or so losses with at least 1 win when you play at least 3 other playoff-caliber teams is at least defendable.
    Whether Furman gets a top 3 seed I think depends on how a few other teams finish the season. Montana, Montana State, Delaware, South Dakota State will also be in contention for those spots, but any of them with more than 2 losses probably doesn't earn a top 3. So yes, Furman definitely has a shot if they finish 10-1, but I don't know whether it's a guarantee.
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    Re: Week 9 Playoff Prognostication

    Quote Originally Posted by grizband View Post
    Whether Furman gets a top 3 seed I think depends on how a few other teams finish the season. Montana, Montana State, Delaware, South Dakota State will also be in contention for those spots, but any of them with more than 2 losses probably doesn't earn a top 3. So yes, Furman definitely has a shot if they finish 10-1, but I don't know whether it's a guarantee.
    I think Furman will remain ahead of Montana State if they both win out, 0 FCS losses compared to 2 for the Bobcats I don't see how Montana State gets ahead of Furman. If Delaware also wins out with Furman I think the Paladins should be ahead of the Blue Hens unless Delaware absolutely destroys Villanova to end the season and Furman doesn't do the same to UTC, then it's a tossup between those 2. If the Griz win out, I think they jump ahead of Furman for the #2 seed. They would have wins over Idaho, Sac St, and Montana State and those wins would carry a lot more weight IMO than their early season struggles against Butler, Ferris State, and NAU.

    I think Idaho is in the mix here too, if they win out they would be 8-1 vs FCS plus a dominating FBS win over Nevada (yes they are a bad FBS team but according to Sagarin & Massey the Wolfpack are rated similarly to or higher than highly ranked FCS teams such as North Dakota, Furman, Incarnate Word, and South Dakota). If the Vandals and Griz both win out, and the Vandals only loss is a 2 point loss to Montana, I could see them ending up #2 and #3.

    And of course, SDSU is going to be #1 unless the selection committee is handing out crack in their meetings.
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    Re: Week 9 Playoff Prognostication

    Good points... I pretty much agree with grizband and CB. I'll qualify this by saying this is just my opinion and I'm not on the selection committee so it means about as much as any random fan's opinion but I think at 10-1 the lowest Furman would be is #3 and the only teams that should be seeded above them would be a 11-0 or 10-1 SDSU or a 10-1 Montana. I'd say Idaho might have a decent claim for #3 at 9-2 if Montana finishes 10-1 but I'd put Furman in over them. I think Furman should be ahead of Delaware if both finish 10-1.

    The nice thing about the big 4 in the Big Sky this year (Idaho, Montana, Montana St, and Sac St) is that they all play each other so the unbalanced Big Sky schedule doesn't hurt them much.
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    Re: Week 9 Playoff Prognostication

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Chaos View Post
    Good points... I pretty much agree with grizband and CB. I'll qualify this by saying this is just my opinion and I'm not on the selection committee so it means about as much as any random fan's opinion but I think at 10-1 the lowest Furman would be is #3 and the only teams that should be seeded above them would be a 11-0 or 10-1 SDSU or a 10-1 Montana. I'd say Idaho might have a decent claim for #3 at 9-2 if Montana finishes 10-1 but I'd put Furman in over them. I think Furman should be ahead of Delaware if both finish 10-1.

    The nice thing about the big 4 in the Big Sky this year (Idaho, Montana, Montana St, and Sac St) is that they all play each other so the unbalanced Big Sky schedule doesn't hurt them much.
    I agree that Furman should be locked in to a top 3 seed if they win out, but I could see arguments for the Vandals or Blue Hens being there as well. There's going to be a lot of lobbying to be put in the 2,3,6, or 7 seeds instead of 4,5 or 8.
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    I wonder what Lafayette's ceiling is should they finish 10-1 (10-0 vs FCS)? The PL is "pretty good" this year, the best its been since the mid 2010s, so I think they would have some respect in the committee room. The question is how much equity? 7 or 8 seed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Lehigh TU owl View Post
    I wonder what Lafayette's ceiling is should they finish 10-1 (10-0 vs FCS)? The PL is "pretty good" this year, the best its been since the mid 2010s, so I think they would have some respect in the committee room. The question is how much equity? 7 or 8 seed?
    Good question. Maybe the 8 seed. Still work to do. Massey still somehow has them as an underdog AT HOME against Fordham. Some of these FCS ratings sets, not to mention the posted spreads on ESPN, are truly bizarre.

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