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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Quote Originally Posted by clenz View Post
    Pretty simple how it happens.

    Kid plays in Texas, Florida, California, Alabama, Louisiana, and a few others he is automatically a 2 star no matter how good or bad he is.

    There are a hundred D1 programs in those states. Kid gets an FBS offer - doesn't matter level of FBS offer and he gets at least a half star bump. Get a couple offers and "interest" from a P5 you get another half star.

    It's a system that creates a cylce of every kid in that area ending up with a handful of G5 offers and P5 "Hey, how do you feel about maybe walking on" interests boosting a kids star ranking.

    I take a kids "other offers" with a massive grain of salt. Almost none of them are committable. I genuinely mean almost none of them. These FBS programs are throwing out literally hundreds of offers per year.

    Read this article. It's long...but it is MUST read to show the slimey underside of recruiting - especially of rthose that are super caught up in what other "offers" a kid had, which is a direct impact on their star ranking. I'll post parts of it




    The quote that stood out to me most in that article that is applicable here was



    That applies to CUSA, SBC, MAC, etc. schools as well. These schools throw out offers - which inflates a kids star ratings - like beads at a Mardi Gras parade and about 80% of the time they aren't even real offers.
    very helpful, thanks ... this blurb said all I need to hear, assuming it is reasonably factual .. this must be reined in immediately. Just flat out cruel to these kids and their families. I get the schools must recruit and offer more schollies than they have, because kids have options at that point ... but the increase in the ratio of offers to spots is very alarming. You just don't see this much of an issue in midwest or IL .. for reasons you inferred with the southern states.

    "Using the 247Sports recruiting database, Sports Illustrated research shows an accelerating trend at the major college level that hit new, disturbing benchmarks this year. The study, covering the last eight recruiting cycles, produced galling figures within college football’s major conferences: more than 101,000 scholarship offers issued in order to fill about 12,000 available scholarships. For the 2019 cycle alone, the 65 programs in Power 5 conferences made more than 15,000 scholarship offers in order to secure what is expected be about 1,600 signees. That’s an average of about 237 offers per school per year, a 100-offer increase from the average in 2012."

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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

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    STEPHEN F. AUSTIN STATE LUMBERJACK 2019 CLASS

    SFA is starting a new era with the hiring of Head Coach Colby Carthel the program’s 4th head coach in the last 7 seasons. The Lumberjacks look to rebuild a struggling program that has seen only one winning season in that span.

    With the departure of Coach Jeff Byrd, many players, mostly offensive linemen have elected to transfer out of the Pineywoods leaving behind for the new young coaching staff a roster with many holes to fill.

    With a very late start (only signed 3 during the early signing period) Coach Carthel and company elected to sign at least one quality player for each position instead of trying to shore up just one or two areas.

    A truly amazing job on what Coach Carthel calls “selling and believing in the vision”

    By position (There will ultimately be position changes at QB)

    Some of these are PWO and transfers.

    * Senior Year Stats Shown

    QB: Lawton Rikel 6-1; 175 Canyon, Texas (Canyon) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Air Force, West Texas A&M, Navarro College, Southern Nazarene
    ** Star Recruit #115 QB (247sports)
    - Sub. 4.5 spd. 1,020 YDS; 17 TDs (Rushing)
    - 1st Team All-District (4A)
    - District POTY
    - 4A All State (HM)
    - 11-2 Record

    QB: Josh Foskey 6-0; 217 Frisco, Texas (Reedy) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Cornell, ETBU, Hendrix, Evangel
    ** Star Recruit #136 QB (247sports)
    - 1st Team All-District (5A)
    - District Offensive MVP
    - 13-1 Record #16 State Team Ranking

    QB: Reece Shaw 6-5; 210 Ft. Worth, Texas (SW Christian/Henderson St./Coffeyville
    Offers from SFA, UT-Martin
    Sr. Graduate

    QB: Trae Self 6-3; 195 North Richland Hills, Texas (Richland/Butler CC) (Jr.)
    Offers from SFA, Abilene Christian
    - 8-4 Team Record (Midwest Classic Bowl Champions)

    QB: Peyton Culberson 6-5; 220 Dallas, Texas (Bishop Dunne) (Fr.)
    Offer from SFA
    - 11-3 Record #12 State Team Ranking; TAPPS Div. I State Champions

    __________________________________________________ __________

    RB: JaQuarion Turner 5-11; 201 Garland, Texas (South) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Montana, McNeese State, Missouri State, Texas A&M Commerce, Angelo State, UTPB
    *** Star Recruit #168 RB (247sports)
    - 3,394 YDS; 43 TDs (2 seasons)
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - 6A All State (HM)
    - District Offensive MVP

    RB: Sanders Crawford IV 5-10; 190 Katy, Texas (Cinco Ranch) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, UIW, Air Force, Houston Baptist
    ** Star Recruit
    - Sub 4.4 spd.
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)

    RB: Tre’Jon Henderson 6-0; 210 Trophy Club, Texas (Byron Nelson) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Arkansas Tech, ETBU, Arkansas-Monticello, Oklahoma Baptist
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)

    RB: Terrance Shaw Jr. 5-10; 205 Dallas, Texas (DeSoto) (Fr.)
    Offer from SFA (Son of SFA ’95; 1st Team All-American Terrance Shaw Sr.)
    - 9-3 Record #34 State Team Ranking

    __________________________________________________ __________

    WR: Xavier Gipson 5-9; 170 Dallas, Texas (Woodrow Wilson) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, SMU, UTSA, McNeese State, Alabama A&M
    *** Star Recruit #173 CB (247sports)
    - Sub 4.4 spd.
    - 1st Team All District (5A)
    - District Special Teams MVP

    WR: James Sowards 6-4; 200 Nacogdoches, Texas (Nac./SMU) (R/Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Trinity
    - 1st Team All-District (5A)

    WR: Josh Allison 6-1; 185 Plano, Texas (East) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Western Illinois, Missouri State, Lamar, Southwestern Oklahoma State, Arkansas Tech, East-Central, Northeastern State
    - Sub 4.5 spd.
    - 8-3 Team Record (6A)

    WR: Dazawion Cooper 6-4; 190 Texarkana, Texas (Liberty-Eylau) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, UTPB, Northeastern State

    WR: Larry Jones III 5-9; 185 Arlington, TX. (Mansfield Timberview/Butler CC) (Jr.)
    Offer from SFA
    - 8-4 Team Record (Midwest Classic Bowl Champions)

    __________________________________________________ __________

    OL: Zach Ingram 6-7; 275 Independence, Mo. (Ft. Osage/Butler CC) (Jr.)
    Offers from SFA, Illinois State, Missouri State, Valdosta State, Texas A&M-Commerce, Miss. Valley State, Southeast Missouri
    *** Star Recruit #106 Nation; #16 OT; #27 St (247sports)

    OL: Caiden Walker 6-4; 300 Newton, Texas (Newton) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Louisiana Tech, Lamar, Memphis, Northwestern State, McNeese State, Tulane, UTEP, Louisiana-Monroe
    *** Star Recruit #22 OC (247sports)
    - 2018 3A State Champions
    - 2017 3A State Champions
    - 2nd Team All-District (3A)
    - All State (1st Team)

    OL: Jaret Porterfield 6-4; 300 Pearland, Texas (Pearland) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Vanderbilt, Georgia State, UTSA, Bowling Green, UTEP, Air Force, Texas State, Houston Baptist, Alcorn State
    *** Star Recruit #123 OG (247sports)
    - 2nd Team All-District (6A)
    - VYPE Magazine Watch List
    - 10-1 Team Record #63 State Ranking

    OL: Tyler Hall 6-4; 300 Maumelle, Arkansas (Maumelle/Arkansas) (Jr.)
    Offer from SFA
    ** Star Recruit #169 OT; #32 State (247Sports)

    OL: Jawaun Singletary 6-2; 280 Houston, Texas (Westfield) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, McNeese State, Southern Univ., Henderson State
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - 12-2 Team Record #24 State Ranking
    - Nephew of NFL Hall of Fame LB Mike Singletary

    OL: Keegan Holm 6-6; 280 La Vernia, Texas (Antonian Prep.) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, UIW, Southwestern
    - 1st Team All-District (TAPPS)
    - All State
    - Super Team

    OL: Jayden Fleming 6-3; 300 Burleson, Texas (Centennial) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Wayland Baptist, Missouri Valley College, Friends Univ.
    - 2nd Team All-District (5A)
    - 11-2 Team Record #70 State Ranking

    OL: Rex Martin 6-6; 290 Katy, Texas (Tompkins) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Texas A&M Commerce, Texas A&M Kingsville, Southern Arkansas, Wayland Baptist, Culver-Stockton, PWO at Tulsa
    - 10-3 Team Record

    OL: Aaron Baker 6-7; 270 Beaumont, Texas (Legacy Christian) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Texas A&M – Commerce
    - All State (TAPPS)

    __________________________________________________ ________________

    TE: Josh Weeks 6-4; 255 Show Low, Arizona (Show Low/BYU/UTEP) (Sr.)
    Offers from SFA, Florida A&M, Northern Arizona
    *** Star Recruit #84 WR; #12 State (247sports)
    - Graduate Senior
    - MaxPreps All-American
    - All State

    TE: Chad Aune 6-5; 220 Denton, Texas (Guyer) (Fr.)
    Offer from SFA
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - Ranked #28 TE in the State (MaxPrep)

    TE: Jackson Miller 6-2; 225 Klein, Texas (Klein) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Louisiana College
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - VYPE Magazine (HM)

    __________________________________________________ _________________

    DT: Carl Williams 6-4; 315 Lufkin, Texas (Lufkin) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Oklahoma, TCU, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Southern Mississippi, Ole Miss, SMU, Minnesota, UTSA, Kansas, Houston, Tulsa
    *** Star Recruit #50 DT; #83 State (ESPN) #3 ETSN.com Top 25
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - Defensive Tackle of the Year
    - District Defensive MVP
    - State Finals Powerlifter
    - 10-2 Team Record #47 State Ranking

    DT: Timothy Twilley 6-4; 261 Killeen, Texas (Killeen) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Abilene Christian, Angelo State, Ripon Univ., Kilgore College, Curry College, Whittier College, Culver Stockton Univ.
    - 2nd Team All-District

    __________________________________________________ _________________

    DE: Marcus Mosley Jr. 6-3; 238 Duncanville, Texas (Duncanville) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Army, Sam Houston State, UTSA, Colorado State, Rice, New Mexico State, Texas State, Air Force, Jackson State, Louisiana, Bowling Green, Arkansas State, Central Arkansas, McNeese State
    *** Star Recruit #104 WDE (247Sports)
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - Defensive Line MVP

    DE: Ranson Williams II 6-4; 250 Houston, Texas (Alief Elsik) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Houston, Rice, Lamar, Houston Baptist
    *** Star Recruit #119 SDE (247Sports)

    DE: Hayden Brockenbush 6-5; 220 Corinth, Texas (Lake Dallas) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Angelo State, William & Mary, Air Force, Missouri State, UIW, Northwestern State, Arkansas Tech
    ** Star Recruit (247Sports)
    - 1st Team All-District (5A)
    - All Area

    DE: Darren Roberson 6-3; 220 Corinth, Texas (Lake Dallas)
    Offers from SFA, UCA, Arkansas Tech, Southern Illinois, Missouri State
    - 1st Team All-District (5A)

    DE: Chance Hill 6-5; 225 Flower Mound, Texas (Flower Mound) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Southwest Baptist
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - 1st Team All-Area

    - Defensive Lineman of the Year

    DE: Jesse Herron 6-3; 220 Angelton, Texas (Angelton) (Fr.)
    Offer from SFA
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)

    DE: Terrance Wair 6-2; 220 Forth Worth, Texas (Boswell)
    Offers from SFA, Angelo State
    - 1st Team All-District (5A)

    DE: Lawrence Norton III 6-2; 230 Denton, Texas (Guyer)
    Offers from SFA, Arkansas Tech, Southern Nazarene, Cisco College, West Texas A&M, Missouri Southern State, SW Baptist, SW Oklahoma State, East Central, ETBU, Oklahoma Baptist
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)

    __________________________________________________ _________________

    LB: Gerard McKnight 6-3; 210 Cypress, Texas (Cy Ranch) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Prairie View A&M, New Mexico, UTSA, Texas A&M – Commerce, Houston Baptist, Texas Southern, Texas State
    *** Star Recruit #138 OLB (247Sports)
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - 11-1 Team Record #46 State Ranking

    LB: Jermaine Brown 6-0; 190 Manvel, Texas (Manvel) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Arkansas State, UNLV, Bowling Green, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Texas State, Tulsa, Utah, Northwestern State, Liberty, Texas A&m Commerce
    *** Star Recruit #184 OLB (247Sports)
    - 1st Team All District (6A)


    LB: Brevin Randle 6-0; 228 Marshall, Texas (Marshall) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Texas A&M Commerce
    - 1st Team All-District (5A)
    - 1st Team All State
    - District MVP
    - 1st Team All East Texas
    - 10-3 Team Record #50 State Ranking

    __________________________________________________ ________________

    S: Myles Brooks 6-2; 190 Pflugerville, Texas (Hendrickson) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Baylor, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Baylor, Colorado State, SMU, FIU, Louisiana Tech, Texas State
    *** Star Recruit #51 S;#82 State (247Sports)
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - 1st Team All Central Texas
    - 4.5 spd.

    S: LaCoryien Washington 6-1; 205 Arlington, Texas (Mansfield Summit) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Alabama A&M, Lamar, New Mexico State
    *** Star Recruit #169 S (247sports)
    - 1st Team All District and All-City (6A)

    S: Myles Heard 5-9; 208 Sugar Land, Texas (Dulles) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Air Force, Army, UIW, Illinois State, Lamar
    ** Star Recruit (247Sports)
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)
    - 4.5 spd.

    __________________________________________________ ________________

    CB: Kevin Gilliam 5-10; 194 Houston, Texas (North Shore) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Georgia Tech, UIW, Northern Iowa, Angelo State, Northeastern State, SBU, Texas A&M Commerce
    ** Star Recruit (247Sports)
    - Texas State Champion (6A) 15-0 Team Record #1 State Ranking; #8 Nation
    - Sub 4.4 spd.

    CB: Willie Roberts II 5-10; 180 Arlington, Texas (Martin) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Rice, Navy, Air Force, Bucknell, Holy Cross, UIW, Lamar
    ** Star Recruit (247Sports)
    - Utility Player of the Year (6A)
    - 1st Team All-District
    - 4.5 spd.

    CB: Zach Nwachukwu 5-9; 186 Plano, Texas (East) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Mississippi Valley St, Arkansas Tech, East Central, SW Oklahoma St
    ** Star Recruit (247Sports)
    - 2nd Team All-District (6A)
    - 4.5 spd.

    CB: Bruce Harmon 6-0; 175 Rockwall, Texas (Rockwall-Heath) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Navy, Air Force, UIW, Missouri State, Lamar, Henderson State, Midwestern State, Texas A&M-Commerce
    ** Star Recruit (247Sports)

    __________________________________________________ _________________

    K: Dylan Brown 5-8; 180 Mesquite, Texas (Poteet) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Sam Houston State, Navarro College, PWO at Baylor
    - Kohl’s 4.5 Star Performer
    - 1st Team All-District (6A)

    LS: Joshua Smetzer 6-0; 201 San Antonio, Texas (Churchill) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA
    - Rubio Long Snapper 4 Star Performer
    - Kohl’s 4.5 Star Performer
    - All-District (HM) (6A)

    LS: Braydon Chandler 5-9; 193 Burleson, Texas (Centennial) (Fr.)
    Offers from SFA, Southern Nazarene, Navarro College, Missouri Valley College
    Every year I see this big recruit list from SFA, and by now I know to discount it because year after year SFA pretty much blows.
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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Here's A&T's class: http://www.ncataggies.com/ViewArticl...B_OEM_ID=24500

    Arguably the most decorated class A&T ever signed.

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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Here's us: https://goleathernecks.com/roster.as...&path=football
    18 guys, 2 are FBS transfers, 4 are JUCO guys, the rest are true freshmen.

    A couple of interesting things:
    Blake Muntz, a 6'6" TE from Richmond, KY with offers from a few MAC schools
    Twin brothers Cameron and Khalil Overton, 6'3" and 6'4" WRs (respectively) from Dallas

    The thing with Western is, we're almost never going to win a recruiting battle with lower-level FBS teams (like NDSU does regularly), so it's rare that we get any guys with "stars", and the ones that do often seem to be "busts". It's the guys who come in with only WIU as a DI offer and put in the work and effort to get better that are successful. Both Khalen Saunders and QB Sean McGuire only had offers from WIU (at the DI level), for example.

    I'm a little concerned about the QB position down the road. We have a kid who I think will do well for the next two years, but after that, I'm not sure we have anyone at this point.
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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Is there a national ranking for recruiting for FCS schools? I know stars are cool to look at for fans but will they produce on the field may be another story.
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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Hero sports has done a pretty good job.

    They are supposed to be releasing a full updated after everyone has signed ranking tomorrow.

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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JALMOND View Post
    Portland State went with speed at all positions. Barnum calls it "The Year of the Cheetah", as we tried to get more speed. A couple notables are Justus Legg, 6-4 240lb DE from Riverside HS in Auburn, WA, a 4-star recruit who had offers from most of the Pac-12 as well as looks from Michigan. A couple publications had him leaning towards Utah but he is coming to Portland State. Also Jalen Chatman, a former 3-star QB from Narbonne HS in Inglewood, CA who redshirted at Rutgers last year, is transferring to Portland State as well. Also of note is John Krahn, a 6-10, 420lb OL (those are the correct dimensions) transfer from Riverside JC in California.
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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JALMOND View Post
    Portland State went with speed at all positions. Barnum calls it "The Year of the Cheetah", as we tried to get more speed. A couple notables are Justus Legg, 6-4 240lb DE from Riverside HS in Auburn, WA, a 4-star recruit who had offers from most of the Pac-12 as well as looks from Michigan. A couple publications had him leaning towards Utah but he is coming to Portland State. Also Jalen Chatman, a former 3-star QB from Narbonne HS in Inglewood, CA who redshirted at Rutgers last year, is transferring to Portland State as well. Also of note is John Krahn, a 6-10, 420lb OL (those are the correct dimensions) transfer from Riverside JC in California.
    A 4 Star recruit with offers from all the PAC12, and he chooses Portland State?
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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    I will let you know how we did in 4 or 5 years. Anything right now is just a guess and a lot of speculation.

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    Re: 2019 Signing Class ... high hopes, whaddya got ?

    Quote Originally Posted by McNeese72 View Post
    I will let you know how we did in 4 or 5 years. Anything right now is just a guess and a lot of speculation.

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