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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    JMU total cost of attendance: 24k in state 40k out of state

    NDSU total cost of attendance 21k in state 33k out of state

    Based on general roster comp

    Average scholarship costs are about
    JMU 34k
    NDSU 28.5

    So you're 5k difference is close. Meaning the total difference in scholarship money is about 440,000 per year.

    There's still another 4.4mish dollars to account for

    So...

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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by abc123 View Post
    How much of JMU's budget is related to facility debt service for things like the upgrade to Bridgeforth or Performance Center that was brought on line in 2005? I can't find their EADA report that shows any sort of breakdown.

    Overall point is there is a ton of leeway in how those numbers are reported and what goes into them, especially since most schools don't make the underlying data that goes into the reports readily available.
    JMU gets 37M from student fees a year.

    NDSU's total athletics budget is 26M.

    Apples and Oranges, man.

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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by abc123 View Post
    How much of JMU's budget is related to facility debt service for things like the upgrade to Bridgeforth or Performance Center that was brought on line in 2005? I can't find their EADA report that shows any sort of breakdown.

    Overall point is there is a ton of leeway in how those numbers are reported and what goes into them, especially since most schools don't make the underlying data that goes into the reports readily available.
    Explain the difference in just operating budgets

    That operating budget has nothing to do with that debt brought on. Some of the rest of the difference between 10.1 and 5.3 might be...but...explain the 1.9 extra million it takes just to operate JMU's program.


    They also get something like 38 million dollars a year from student fees alone. NDSU's total budget for the entire department is almost a third less than what JMU takes in from just student fees.

    JMU complaining about other schools funding in any way, shape, or form, is just laughable.
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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by clenz View Post
    Explain the difference in just operating budgets
    That's pretty much my point, you can't explain it without seeing the source data which also means you can't compare it because you don't what is actually making up the numbers of what you're looking at. There is quite a bit of latitude in how those reports are prepared and a lot of grey area in what is sport specific or just bunched in with the athletic department as a whole and not only are different schools in different situations, but they also account for similar situations differently.

    But I digress. Just wanted to point out that trying to make any sort of comparison likely isn't even close to an apples to apples comparison. I spent a fair amount of time looking through some of those reports a few years back and what you get from the source info is a completely different story than the output from the EADA site. I wish more schools made the source info available, it can be pretty interesting stuff once you know what you're looking at.

    I'm have no clue about the JMU complaining about funding, nor am I sure why their subsidies/student fees are so high. I'm sure someone closer to the situation can shed some more light on that.

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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    James Madison is charging their students over $1,400 a year to support their athletic programs. That is highway robbery. Norfolk St. charge just as much.

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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by tierre View Post
    James Madison is charging their students over $1,400 a year to support their athletic programs. That is highway robbery. Norfolk St. charge just as much.
    Holy crap that's a lot. That's nearly 3 times what WIU's athletic fee is ($18.07/credit hour).
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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by tierre View Post
    James Madison is charging their students over $1,400 a year to support their athletic programs. That is highway robbery. Norfolk St. charge just as much.
    I love sports, but there should be a student riot. College costs enough the way it is.

    How much longer until college sports hit the wall and we basically have two divisions- the corporate schools and then the non-scholarship schools? I know that few schools end up in the black in athletics but it seems to be getting worse.
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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by Laker View Post
    I love sports, but there should be a student riot. College costs enough the way it is.

    How much longer until college sports hit the wall and we basically have two divisions- the corporate schools and then the non-scholarship schools? I know that few schools end up in the black in athletics but it seems to be getting worse.
    The odd thing about it is JMU's tuition is allegedly amongst the cheapest in Virginia for a 4 year state school. So I guess the natural question is where to they skimp where other colleges do not?
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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    Quote Originally Posted by tierre View Post
    James Madison is charging their students over $1,400 a year to support their athletic programs. That is highway robbery. Norfolk St. charge just as much.
    they tell students the tickets are free but they are paying $250 a game..... they should just show up seeing how much they are paying for tickets
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    Re: Boring.....just go FBS already

    I think that $500 a year should be the max. If your athletic program is getting 75% of its funding from the students then that is not good. I feel that your alumni and fans should pick up the burden not the students. That's means that a 4 year student would be paying almost $6000 to their athletic program before they graduate. Virginia passed a new law that limits the amount of money a school can use to fund their athletic budgets from the students. JMU was getting 80% of its funding from the students

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