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    SoCon next year

    I am honestly interested in thoughts from fans of each team.. OBJECTIVE thoughts. I don't know everyone's team (who is graduating??). So I am looking for help here !!

    please correct me where I have mistakes !! I need your help on each team !
    ill come back later w more detail.

    top three teams?

    Wofford - returns Everyone on OL. Both QBs return.
    Significant graduations for Wofford include: HB SPEED Lennox McAfee and FB TOUGH RUNNER Andre Stoddard on offense but that's all I think ... Those are top two runners though.
    They Lose CB Domonique Lemon, CB Devin Watson, S Jojo Tillery. ** so they lose 3 out of 4 starters in D backfield
    DL will miss Miles Brown big time but they get Horton back who is great. They do lose 2 of Front 3 on DL as Zamary graduates also in addition to Miles Brown. Still Horton makes up for a lot of that. They lose only one LB out of 4 ( basically run a 3/4) in Hinton at ILB so LB should be a strength.
    Keys for Wofford next year look to be RBs and defensive backfield. Looks like middle of run defense will be stout again w Horton coming back from injury. Wofford returns a lot (all OL) of players for a SoCon champ
    Wofford fans - thoughts?


    Furman ?? Obviously the team I know best
    I hope you all give me this detail on your teams. We may take a one year step back. DEPENDS ON QB. Big time! Prior regime left us Blaze and Roberts who was a career backup but did Wonderful this year. But they left us No QBs as junior or sophomore really. So Hendrix had to get a QB quick - my GUESS is Grainger who the coaches are very high on but he only played ONE year of high school QB ! That's Scary inexperienced. Missing three years of high school vs a regular guy. Dude Is really talented though. OL returns ALL 8 guys and given another year of Hendrix training should be ok/good. Long term need more Hendrix-recruited guys on OL as he wants a different type of OL. Only lose two guys on O. QB Roberts and RB Dirks. All OL and ALL WRs and RBs return (except FB Dirks).
    On D we will miss Jaylan Reid at DT. And Anoor at Safety. Both were all conference and 30 starts+. That will hurt. LB I feel good about. You all know Hope led FCS Nation in sacks as freshman. McKoy is a killer. And we saw our LBs hold Wofford and Citadel to 14 points and 17 points respectively. ***What we are needing work on is pass defense !! Need to improve there - we have pass rush, need better coverage
    *update*. LB ( pass rush) Adrian Hope was Fourth in Jerry Rice vote for best freshman in country. Voted Freshman AA by Hero Sports too


    ETSU? Can they repeat this years run of one score wins ? Sanders looks to be doing good things there which is main thing. Good coaching is priority 1 !!!
    How many key guys graduate? I know Henrik was a BIG part of success and he graduates. *Question number one is replacing Henrik at QB!! Marci played QB in early season but didn't look too good yet and so Henrik took his place and never gave up the starting job. Now Henrik graduated.
    Quay Holmes returns at RB and is very good !
    **update* Quay Holmes won Freshman AA awards from Hero Sports
    How many OL graduate ? Does Nasir Player return on DL ??
    ETSU fans - I need your help !?



    Middle teams? I don't know. Just guessing at 'middle' vs top. Don't be offended

    Mercer - Return two Great QBs who were gimpy this year. Riddle and Riley. I would think they have. Best QB depth in conference next year. Great RB returns huge load - 5'8" 233 Lb Devezin. He is a load. OL looks good and returns 4 of 5 starters. WR suffer big losses - Irvin, Houzah and walker. Pretty big losses there.
    Defense. Edge rushing losses are big - Losing Buehler and Wysor at DE will hurt .... Buehler was a strong pass rusher. Lose all 3 OLB including all-conference LeMarkus Bailey. So they lose both DE and all starting OLB. Pass rush will be a question mark for them. Stopping the edge runs of option teams may be an issue when you lose all your DEs and all your OLBs ??
    Special teams. Losing Irvin on PR and Houzah on KOR will hurt. Mercer was very very good at KOR and PR in 2018. Though one guy - Durden - returns.


    Citadel - Return ALL OL from 2018. New QB showed a lot of promise at end of 2018 vs last few teams on schedule. All backs return. So O should be good and much improved. D only loses 4 guys though they were key guys (whole summary sounds a lot like Furman really - returns almost entire O, lose a few but KEY D guys ). D loses great LB Dawkins and top DB Spann. Also lose good DL Allen and another LB Hubbs. Citadel could be moving up in SoCon with so few losses on O
    (. * update**On Monday, Sam Houston State running back Remus Bulmer -- one of the top returning career rushers in the FCS -- reached out to HERO Sports and said he is going to sit out the rest of 2018 and will take his redshirt this year, then look to play his senior season elsewhere in 2019.-
    he is coming to Citadel for Senior season )

    update*. OL Haas (center?) and punter Campbell voted Freshman AA form Hero sports !


    Samford - where will they be without Gooden on D and Hodges and McKnight on O ?? NOT a smack. But you have to,wonder. I'll put em 6th? FBS transfer at QB would change this maybe. Shelling - great WR returns. Samford does have several good freshman playing on D this year
    Samford fans who else returns and who graduates?



    Bottom ??

    Chattanooga. I put them here because now it's coaching turmoil. All 2018 offensive coaches are gone. Talent wise they have some for sure. But they had talent this past year and had no offense.
    ***is Arth leaving ??
    Tiano and Nunnely return, right ??? How many OL return? Price at RB is he back?? Problem I see is Mack and Mahaffey on DL are both gone I think ?? Huge losses there. Mack is possible NFL. Does Kareem Orr graduate ?? He is a great DB. Do Mack and Mahaffey graduate?
    Chatt fans ? Help here

    Western. BIG question. Is Tyrie Adams back? I'll,assume so. But still 2 questions. Don't FOUR of the OL starters graduate. That's gonna hurt. Can they finally improve on defense ??
    **update Ronald Kent at DB won freshman AA from Hero Sports
    WCU fans. Some help here ?

    VMI - I give them credit for playing tough this year. So close. Air raid can always upset someone. Came within 2 points of Citadel and Western.


    bump. I updated with the 5 SoCon guys that won freshman all America awards
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    Re: SoCon next year

    We get back 4/5 on OL (9/10 on 2 deep, most were So this year). Our same OL started all games this year. Our new QB will be a Jr next year (we have 5 others vying for the #2 spot). All the A backs on the depth chart are back except one, all the BBacks are back. In other words, our O will be that much better. (8 starters on O were RSF or So. this year. We basically lose one O starter.

    On D, we lose one on the DL (Ken Allen, ouch), two LBs (Hubbs and Dawkins), and one DB (Aaron Spann, ouch). (5 of our starters on D were F, RSF or So.). We lose 4 D starters.

    All our kickers are back.

    Not too bad.

    I don't know enough about who is coming back on the other teams to prognosticate yet.
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    Re: SoCon next year

    It will be competitive. ETSU will have more depth and bring back a solid nucleus, as will Furman.

    Wofford brings back 20 of 22 in the offensive two deep and 3/4 of the two deep on defense.

    Chattanooga will lose some playmakers on defense but will almost certainly be better on offense with a new OC.

    I differ to El Cid on how they will be, as they look to bring a bunch.

    Western Carolina brings back Tyrie Adams and I think most of their defense.

    VMI should bring back some as well. I don't know what Mercer brings back other than some good QBs.

    Really, the only team that looks to take a step back is Samford. They lose a couple GOATs and I don't see them quickly recovering. They're already inconsistent and I don't think addition by subtraction applies.

    Socon is gonna be tough. Razors edge separates us all.

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    Re: SoCon next year

    Thanks. this is what I am looking for. Any notes on any team but especially your own team

    ill put this all together as people add posts ... Helps me as next year begins so I can remember what each team returns

    as you get older you need these things. LOL
    Last edited by gofurman; November 22nd, 2018 at 03:45 PM.

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    Re: SoCon next year

    Quote Originally Posted by youngterrier View Post
    It will be competitive. ETSU will have more depth and bring back a solid nucleus, as will Furman.

    Wofford brings back 20 of 22 in the offensive two deep and 3/4 of the two deep on defense.

    Chattanooga will lose some playmakers on defense but will almost certainly be better on offense with a new OC.

    I differ to El Cid on how they will be, as they look to bring a bunch.

    Western Carolina brings back Tyrie Adams and I think most of their defense.

    VMI should bring back some as well. I don't know what Mercer brings back other than some good QBs.

    Really, the only team that looks to take a step back is Samford. They lose a couple GOATs and I don't see them quickly recovering. They're already inconsistent and I don't think addition by subtraction applies.

    Socon is gonna be tough. Razors edge separates us all.

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    Who does Wofford specifically lose? Stoddard or Mcafee? Either one. Who on D? Miles Brown right? Who else?

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    Re: SoCon next year

    Well...since the 3 of you have, apparently, voted Mercer off of SoCon Island, I’ll follow the great American Tradition and refuse to accept the results of said election.

    Below is an edited version of FUBeAR’s post on the Mercer Board related to this topic...

    LOSSES...
    [Starting C] David May
    [Starting RB] Tee Mitchell
    [Starting TE] Sam Walker
    [Starting WR /Starting PR] Marquise Irvin
    [Regular WR / Starting KR] Stephen Houzah

    [Starting DE] Isaiah Buehler
    [Regular DE] Austin Wysor
    [Starting OLB] LeMarkus Bailey
    [Starting OLB] Bradley Earnest
    [Regular OLB] Travonte' Easley
    [Backup, but Fairly Regular ILB] Brandon Coney
    [P/T Starting CB] Kam Lott
    [DB] Dylan Calhoun
    [Backup, but Fairly Regular DB] Brandon Gurley

    [Starting PK] Cole Fisher
    [Starting P] Matt Shiel
    [Starting LS] Steven Nixon


    Looking
    ahead to 2019...

    Returning Starters...
    * C - Krieger (started 8 games in 2017 & 2 in 2018)
    * OG’s - Flath, Forrestal (2nd half of 2018), Robinson (1st half of 2018; injured)
    * OT’s - Sanders (All SoCon), Ellis
    * QB’s - Riddle (All SoCon FR) (3), Riley (2017 SoCon FOTY),(16, 5 in 2018), Frost (3)
    * RB - Devezin (3)...led Mercer in Rushing Attempts in 2018 (164)
    * TE’s - Ellington & Westfall (shared multiple starts due to Walker injuries & depending upon Offensive sets)
    * WR’s - Durden, Cannon, Jones (1)

    NG’s - Kithcart, Cooper (a start or 2 due to injuries to Kithcart)
    DE’s - Guillen, Raines (started on several occasions due to Buehler injuries)
    ILB’s - Coneway, Otiwu, Freeman (several starts due to injuries to Otiwu)
    OLB - None
    CB’s - Bohler, Poole, Campbell (may have had a start or 2 due to injuries)
    Safety - Fleming (All SoCon), Jackson, Ward (about 3 due to injury), Hall (1 or 2 due to injuries)

    PK - None
    P - Goupil (11 in 2017)
    LS - None
    PR - None
    KR - Durden


    Strengths...
    ..... * QB - 2 outstanding, experienced veterans return - Riddle & Riley
    ......* RB - Rushing Leader among SoCon RB’s, 5-8/233+ wrecking ball, Tyray “The Hammer” Devezin, returns to the dismay of all SoCon DB’s
    .....* OL - May will be a big loss, but the OL gelled in the VMI game this year & played fairly well from that point forward. Can still improve considerably though

    .....* NG - 2 vets with experience return (Kithcart & Cooper)
    .....* ILB - Coneway, Otiwu, & Freeman all proved their ability in 2018
    .....* Safety - Fleming & Jackson are solid returning Starters

    .....* Punter - 2017 Starting Punter, Goupil, solid in 2017; can ‘reassume’ his role in 2019

    Question Marks...
    * Specialists positions will be a HUGE question mark for Mercer. All 5 (including Kickoff & Punt Returners) departures have been OUTSTANDING in 2018


    * Replacing Walker, Irvin, and Houzah from one of the best corps of pass catchers in the SoCon will be a major challenge. Durden, Cannon, Jones, Ellison, Ellington, and Graham (if he can stay healthy)...et al, may very well be able to rise to that challenge...and, eventually, surpass even this outstanding group.

    * Losing key 'edge Players,' DE Buehler, OLB Bailey, and OLB Earnest, in addition to DE Wysor and OLB Easley is another area of significant talent departure. Some younger Players will need to "rise up" to replace these 5. True FR DL McDaniel has shown promise and played some DE, but I think at 6-0, he may be more of a NG. I've also been impressed with True FR DL Perkins. Also seen promise in R-FR DL King. I think we might see some position changes to fill the large holes Bailey, Earnest, and Easley are leaving at OLB. True FR Bullard is on the 2-deep @ OLB, so he will be counted on to step up next season and, perhaps, DB's Gammage and Ward, could get a look at OLB as they are similar in size to Bailey (actually, a little bigger), who began his career at DB. I was impressed with True FR LB Brown's HS vid. I suspect he is Redshirting this year and may be in the mix @ OLB next season.

    Summary...
    If the Bears can effectively re-load with Specialists, Pass Catchers on O, and Edge Players on D, they should be in excellent stead to compete for the SoCon Championship in 2019 and certainly have a better than solid chance to make the FCS Playoffs.
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    Re: SoCon next year

    Wofford has rotated enough players in this year that the only real concern is maybeeeee the secondary. But even then we bring back half of the guys.

    I don't remember a time where we brought back the entire two deep on the OL or 20 of 22 on the offense.

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    Re: SoCon next year

    didn't forget Mercer. Just haven't gotten to them yet. Sorry.

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    Re: SoCon next year

    Quote Originally Posted by FUBeAR View Post
    Well...since the 3 of you have, apparently, voted Mercer off of SoCon Island, I’ll follow the great American Tradition and refuse to accept the results of said election.

    Below is an edited version of FUBeAR’s post on the Mercer Board related to this topic...

    LOSSES...
    [Starting C] David May
    [Starting RB] Tee Mitchell
    [Starting TE] Sam Walker
    [Starting WR /Starting PR] Marquise Irvin
    [Regular WR / Starting KR] Stephen Houzah

    [Starting DE] Isaiah Buehler
    [Regular DE] Austin Wysor
    [Starting OLB] LeMarkus Bailey
    [Starting OLB] Bradley Earnest
    [Regular OLB] Travonte' Easley
    [Backup, but Fairly Regular ILB] Brandon Coney
    [P/T Starting CB] Kam Lott
    [DB] Dylan Calhoun
    [Backup, but Fairly Regular DB] Brandon Gurley

    [Starting PK] Cole Fisher
    [Starting P] Matt Shiel
    [Starting LS] Steven Nixon


    Looking
    ahead to 2019...


    Strengths...
    ..... * QB - 2 outstanding, experienced veterans return - Riddle & Riley
    ......* RB - Rushing Leader among SoCon RB’s, 5-8/233+ wrecking ball, Tyray “The Hammer” Devezin, returns to the dismay of all SoCon DB’s
    .....* OL - May will be a big loss, but the OL gelled in the VMI game this year & played fairly well from that point forward. Can still improve considerably though

    .....* NG - 2 vets with experience return (Kithcart & Cooper)
    .....* ILB - Coneway, Otiwu, & Freeman all proved their ability in 2018
    .....* Safety - Fleming & Jackson are solid returning Starters

    .....* Punter - 2017 Starting Punter, Goupil, can ‘reassume’ his role in 2019

    Question Marks...
    * Specialists positions will be a HUGE question mark for Mercer. All 5 (including Kickoff & Punt Returners) departures have been OUTSTANDING in 2018


    * Replacing Walker, Irvin, and Houzah from one of the best corps of pass catchers in the SoCon will be a major challenge. Durden, Cannon, Jones, Ellison, Ellington, and Graham (if he can stay healthy)...et al, may very well be able to rise to that challenge...and, eventually, surpass even this outstanding group.

    * Losing key 'edge Players,' DE Buehler, OLB Bailey, and OLB Earnest, in addition to DE Wysor and OLB Easley is another area of significant talent departure. Some younger Players will need to "rise up" to replace these 5. True FR DL McDaniel has shown promise and played some DE, but I think at 6-0, he may be more of a NG. I've also been impressed with True FR DL Perkins. Also seen promise in R-FR DL King. I think we might see some position changes to fill the large holes Bailey, Earnest, and Easley are leaving at OLB. True FR Bullard is on the 2-deep @ OLB, so he will be counted on to step up next season and, perhaps, DB's Gammage and Ward, could get a look at OLB as they are similar in size to Bailey (actually, a little bigger), who began his career at DB. I was impressed with True FR LB Brown's HS vid. I suspect he is Redshirting this year and may be in the mix @ OLB next season.

    Summary...
    If the Bears can effectively re-load with Specialists, Pass Catchers on O, and Edge Players on D, they should be in excellent stead to compete for the SoCon Championship in 2019 and certainly have a better than solid chance to make the FCS Playoffs.
    Now THAT is the kind of detaile I am TALKING about !!

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    Re: SoCon next year

    Unless Coach Speir does some serious soul-searching about his defensive coaching staff, from the DC on down (same with Special Teams) look for more of the same out of the Catamounts.

    I know consistency in most cases is a good thing, but when you look at what the Cats gave up defensively the last two seasons, that consistency is only good for Catamounts opponents.


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