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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    Makes no sense since the IL has upgraded their recruiting the past five to ten years. With a number of the schools offering full rides to admitted students with family incomes of under $150K, they have the ability to recruit against most of the big-time football powers in the country and can walk into any living room in Florida and California and compete with the best of them, as long as the student meets the admissions criteria.
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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    Quote Originally Posted by Son of Eli View Post
    The conclusion of the article for the Ivy League to drop to Division III is nonsense and reflects a misunderstanding of the value the Ivy League places in athletics. It's true that the Ivy League doesn't value athletics for its revenue. They do however value it greatly for its role in instilling values like teamwork, leadership, preserverence, sportsmanship and time management. They also value it for giving students the opportunity to compete against the nation's best in any of their chosen pursuits and in boosting school spirit. A downgrade to Division III would hinder the development of these values and goals by making the competitions less relevant.

    Additionally, the assertion that the Ivy League doesn't compete for National Championships in majors sports is both inaccurate and irrelevant. Yale won the National Championship in Hockey in 2013 and Lacrosse in 2018. Both are major college sports. Harvard competed in the Frozen Four in 2017. Regardless, an Ivy League Championship has great value to the alumni and students and is reason enough to admit the best athletes available, so long as they're academically qualified within the restrictions of the Ivy League's Academic Index.

    I noticed that the author is an intern. Looks like he needs some more work in journalism school.
    I agree with your estimation of the value of competing in Div I. That's pretty much how we view it, and VMI as well.

    However, while winning those Nats is good, I am not sure I would classify lacrosse and hockey as "major" sports. I think there are only 70 or so teams in Div I for lacrosse and even less for hockey. They are seriously regional sports. With nearly 350 div I schools, a sport sponsored by only about 20% of its members is not major. FB, BB, Baseball, and soccer, sure. Everything else, no.
    Just saying.

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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    However, while winning those Nats is good, I am not sure I would classify lacrosse and hockey as "major" sports. I think there are only 70 or so teams in Div I for lacrosse and even less for hockey. They are seriously regional sports. With nearly 350 div I schools, a sport sponsored by only about 20% of its members is not major. FB, BB, Baseball, and soccer, sure. Everything else, no.
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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I agree with your estimation of the value of competing in Div I. That's pretty much how we view it, and VMI as well.

    However, while winning those Nats is good, I am not sure I would classify lacrosse and hockey as "major" sports. I think there are only 70 or so teams in Div I for lacrosse and even less for hockey. They are seriously regional sports. With nearly 350 div I schools, a sport sponsored by only about 20% of its members is not major. FB, BB, Baseball, and soccer, sure. Everything else, no.
    Just saying.

    The people at The Capial One Cup would disagree with you on Lacrosse. They assign a National Championship in Men's Lacrosse the maximum 60 points, the same as football, basketball or baseball.

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    As a result Yale is currently ranked 5th in the country in Division I Men's sports.

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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    Son of Eli hit it on the head:

    "The conclusion of the article for the Ivy League to drop to Division III is nonsense and reflects a misunderstanding of the value the Ivy League places in athletics. It's true that the Ivy League doesn't value athletics for its revenue. They do however value it greatly for its role in instilling values like teamwork, leadership, perseverance, sportsmanship and time management. They also value it for giving students the opportunity to compete against the nation's best in any of their chosen pursuits and in boosting school spirit. A downgrade to Division III would hinder the development of these values and goals by making the competitions less relevant."

    Amen.

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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    A totally stupid article. Factually inaccurate in terms of admit rates as well. By the way, in head-to-head competition, 55% of those admitted to both 1-A Stanford and 1-AA Harvard choose Harvard.
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    Re: National Review story on admission of athletes (including FB players) at Harvard

    Quote Originally Posted by Son of Eli View Post
    I noticed that the author is an intern. Looks like he needs some more work in journalism school.
    I, too, always like to exercise the old axiom, to “consider the source,” when I see something like this article, which, by the way, I kept looking for the rest of it. His rush to his conclusion was, literally, striking.

    Anyway, it seems Mr. Warner, most likely, recently completed just his 2nd year as a student at Harvard, possibly majoring in Economics. http://news.saintviator.com/news/201....l2XvjQJU.dpbs . I noticed that in HS, he led his Golf Team to a Championship, but did not see his name listed on the Crimson’s Men’s Golf Roster. Perhaps, there is more to that story that could get at his motivation for penning this very short piece and landing on his sweeping conclusion.

    By the way, you know how some Football Message Boards do a weekly thread of doppelgängers using the upcoming opponents’ Players & Coaches? I would imagine that kind of thing is frowned upon among the staid fans of the Ivies, but I am a low-brow SoCon guy, so I couldn’t resist...(At least the selected doppelgänger is a REAL journalist. )



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