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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    If Augie has a baseball team I'd be all for them moving up and joining the Summit League.
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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Chaos View Post
    If Augie has a baseball team I'd be all for them moving up and joining the Summit League.
    Augie does have a baseball team, and a pretty good one, they're currently 24-1 so not bad.

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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this the same school that could not manage to keep afloat in their DII days and dropped down. Now they want to go DI??????

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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Quote Originally Posted by TennBison View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this the same school that could not manage to keep afloat in their DII days and dropped down. Now they want to go DI??????
    You're thinking of Morningside in Sioux City. They dropped from D2 down to the NAIA.

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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Quote Originally Posted by JacksFan40 View Post
    Augie does have a baseball team, and a pretty good one, they're currently 24-1 so not bad.
    It would stabilize the conference in that case adding a baseball program so the SL wouldn't have to worry about losing the auto in all sports if they drop below the 6 baseball programs they have currently. Augie also fits right into the geographic footprint of the SL. Considering that I don't think Fort Wayne (and their baseball program) will be around much longer it would also ensure that the SL maintains at least a 16 game conference basketball schedule (or the ideal 18 games for as long as Fort Wayne would be around).

    I wouldn't be thrilled about the NCC 2.0 part of it either but it would further stabilize the Summit League. I'm sure the SD schools would be staunchly opposed to it given their ties to the Sioux Falls market but almost everyone else in the conference would benefit.

    Of course that's all from the non-football POV. Football I don't think it does much of anything except give the northern/western MVFC schools a cupcake OOC game if they want it.
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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

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    SDSU fans seem to think that by denying Augustana an invitation to the Summit, they can keep them out of D-I altogether.

    I would say that if Augustana wants to move up, the Summit won't be their only choice. The WAC would take them in a Fargo minute.
    And they are welcome to go to the WAC. Of course, a school with 2,000 students, private (no state funding), who studied the issue before and found they could not afford the move, can now afford to fly to LasCruces, Phoenix, Seattle, Salt Lake City... The only shot that school has in surviving is in the Summit League and PFL. And they can't afford that. This is a really bad idea, driven by the egos of some Sioux Falls businessmen with money who see the success of the SLT and SDSU and want a piece of the pie. South Dakota cannot support 3 D1 schools and have them all succeed. It is a crazy, idiotic, stupid idea.

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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Barf. That is all. SDSU better be ACTIVE about looking for a new home if this were to happen.


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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksfan29 View Post
    And they are welcome to go to the WAC. Of course, a school with 2,000 students, private (no state funding), who studied the issue before and found they could not afford the move, can now afford to fly to LasCruces, Phoenix, Seattle, Salt Lake City... The only shot that school has in surviving is in the Summit League and PFL. And they can't afford that. This is a really bad idea, driven by the egos of some Sioux Falls businessmen with money who see the success of the SLT and SDSU and want a piece of the pie. South Dakota cannot support 3 D1 schools and have them all succeed. It is a crazy, idiotic, stupid idea.
    So let them dig their own grave then. Like you said they're a private university so it's not like they're raiding the state's coffers if they fail.

    Just be honest... you don't care about how well or poorly positioned they are to succeed in D1, you just don't want that extra competition in SDSU's #1 market for fans/alumni. I don't blame you. I'd have similar feelings if Minnesota State-Moorhead would announce intentions to move D1 and try to join the Summit League.
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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    Quote Originally Posted by doolittledog View Post
    You're thinking of Morningside in Sioux City. They dropped from D2 down to the NAIA.
    Thanks for the info, that is a bit before my time as a NDSU fan.

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    Re: Augustana SD discussing moving to D1, possibly joining Pioneer

    What they are raiding is corporate dollars. I have no fear of fans, SDSU has 40,000 alumni in the state, Augustana 7,000. SDSU has long had a strong following, the SLT, with 11,000 in the stands is 70% blue for a reason. That isn't going to change. We had Augustana in the NCC for decades and they were nobody. That really won't change much if they move up. What will change, corporate dollars will be more difficult to come by for SDSU, more importantly for USD. That hurts the Summit. We need the two large state schools in South Dakota to be healthy.

    SDSU's athletic budget is now over $20 million. It is expected to be $25 million within the next two years. USD have grown more slowly. It is growing, but it topped out at $15 million last year. Augustana will need major corporate money to go D1. Where does it come from?

    My other issue. I don't want to go back to the old NCC. I'm fine with the big schools in SD and ND, plus Omaha is a great market. Augustana feels like we are going to soon bring back Morningside, St. Cloud and Mankato. Heck, if we are going to consider Augustana why not Northern State?

    SDSU and NDSU have moved on. We are both much bigger, much more successful and both worked our asses off to get where we are this early in our D1 days. We built the Summit up. The last addition was UND, before that DU. Those are D1 schools and both are great additions. If the Summit is now going to return to being a D2 call up league, for schools with 2,000 students who will struggle to survive? I'd rather move on again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Chaos View Post
    So let them dig their own grave then. Like you said they're a private university so it's not like they're raiding the state's coffers if they fail.

    Just be honest... you don't care about how well or poorly positioned they are to succeed in D1, you just don't want that extra competition in SDSU's #1 market for fans/alumni. I don't blame you. I'd have similar feelings if Minnesota State-Moorhead would announce intentions to move D1 and try to join the Summit League.

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