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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by ramMan View Post
    True, Fordham's football facilities are "seriously lacking," but is Lehigh's Goodman Stadium, which is located four miles (!) from Lehigh's campus and whose stands are set back far from the field, much better? Whatever happened to the plan to move the press box to the visitors' side of the stadium and convert the current press box to luxury suites? Does the stadium have a video board? Many high schools now have them. And if it's true that Lehigh's football program is run on "nickels and dimes," Goodman won't be getting a facelift anytime soon.

    True, also, that Fordham's men's basketball program is a "mess," but Fordham's other varsity teams are very competitive, and some are excelling (e.g., men's soccer reached the Elite 8 last season, softball has earned NCAA berths in seven of the past eight years, women's basketball has played in postseason tournaments in four of the past five years, etc.). Getting back to men's basketball, IMO, Coach Neubauer is Fordham's best in-game coach since joining the A-10, and his recruiting has picked up significantly this year. I'm confident he'll turn the program around, maybe as soon as next year.
    Fairly accurate assessment of Goodman altho its setting is superb. The football budget has nothing to do with Goodman upgrades. All construction is done by the University in its captial budget. Given the current expansion of the student population and the addition of a new school, I fear absent a generous alum Goodman upgrades are now pretty far down the list.

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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by ramMan View Post
    True, Fordham's football facilities are "seriously lacking," but is Lehigh's Goodman Stadium, which is located four miles (!) from Lehigh's campus and whose stands are set back far from the field, much better?
    Of course it is. Where would you rather play?

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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by DFW HOYA View Post
    Of course it is. Where would you rather play?


    Thanks for posting those pics, DFW. They clearly show how spectators are on top of the action at Fordham's Jack Coffey Field and how distant fans are from the gridiron at Goodman. Also, Fordham's football stadium is located in the shadows of Rose Hill's signature building, Keating Hall. Goodman is four miles away from Lehigh's campus. For those familiar with the Bronx, it'd be like Fordham moving its home games to a field in the middle of Van Cortlandt Park. Beautiful setting, very scenic in the fall, but a friggin' 20-minute drive from campus.
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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by ramMan View Post
    Thanks for posting those pics, DFW. They clearly show how spectators are on top of the action at Fordham's Jack Coffey Field and how distant fans are from the gridiron at Goodman. Also, Fordham's football stadium is located in the shadows of Rose Hill's signature building, Keating Hall. Goodman is four miles away from Lehigh's campus. For those familiar with the Bronx, it'd be like Fordham moving its home games to Mount Saint Michael.
    With that argument, you could also say the close-in "seating" at Cooper Field is a great place, too. When it had seating, of course.

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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increases Over $1 Million Year-over-Y

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    Sheesh, PL football budgets are almost double, on average than the budgets in the MEAC.
    And that's why we're twice as good!
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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by ramMan View Post
    Also, Fordham's football stadium is located in the shadows of Rose Hill's signature building, Keating Hall. Goodman is four miles away from Lehigh's campus.
    Same team here ramMan, but c'mon, what "football stadium" are you even talking about? That one-sided, aluminum erector set behind the baseball diamond's left field wall? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate how far we've come over the years. Still, until we get an actual stadium, it's always gonna feel like things are being done w/smoke and mirrors.
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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by ramMan View Post
    Thanks for posting those pics, DFW. They clearly show how spectators are on top of the action at Fordham's Jack Coffey Field and how distant fans are from the gridiron at Goodman. Also, Fordham's football stadium is located in the shadows of Rose Hill's signature building, Keating Hall. Goodman is four miles away from Lehigh's campus. For those familiar with the Bronx, it'd be like Fordham moving its home games to a field in the middle of Van Cortlandt Park. Beautiful setting, very scenic in the fall, but a friggin' 20-minute drive from campus.
    I think you make too big an issue of Goodman's proximity to the academic campus. It's six times a year for games, so hardly a big inconvenience. Plus, the massive tailgating area, beautiful setting and easy access more than compensates for it not being squeezed into a tight area. You would be in the rare minority who might choose JC Field over Goodman.

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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by LUHawker View Post
    I think you make too big an issue of Goodman's proximity to the academic campus. It's six times a year for games, so hardly a big inconvenience. Plus, the massive tailgating area, beautiful setting and easy access more than compensates for it not being squeezed into a tight area. You would be in the rare minority who might choose JC Field over Goodman.
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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increased $1 Million Year-over-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by ramMan View Post
    Thanks for posting those pics, DFW. They clearly show how spectators are on top of the action at Fordham's Jack Coffey Field and how distant fans are from the gridiron at Goodman. Also, Fordham's football stadium is located in the shadows of Rose Hill's signature building, Keating Hall. Goodman is four miles away from Lehigh's campus. For those familiar with the Bronx, it'd be like Fordham moving its home games to a field in the middle of Van Cortlandt Park. Beautiful setting, very scenic in the fall, but a friggin' 20-minute drive from campus.
    just to get the facts right, Goodman is 2.2 miles from my fraternity and 3.3 miles from Packer Hall, not that anyone goes from class to the Stadium on a Saturday morning, even at my advanced age I could walk to Goodman from the Frat in less than 20 minutes, and I've been to Coffey and Goodman game day is far superior

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    Re: 2017 PL Football Budgets Fordham's Budget Increases Over $1 Million Year-over-Y

    There is very little comparison in the quality of the game day experience between Jack Coffey Field and Goodman. Goodman wins this one by a landslide. Yes, you're closer to the action at Fordham but you are looking out across the field and there is no opposite side stands, which makes it more of a high school feel. There is something about being able to hear the roar of the opposing fan base, even if it's only a few hundred on the other side. Crappy locker room situation, visitors have to do all the pre-game trainers table stuff in the Lombardi Center (at least as of 2009). Concessions at Jack Coffey -- marginally better than Holy Cross. Food selection at Lehigh far superior as is the charm of the natural turf field with the grassy overflow area behind the end zone.

    That being said, Jack Coffey is a beautiful venue and a hidden secret to many in New York City and the Bronx. I have been to Goodman 4 times and Jack Coffey 5 times and had great experiences every time. Both have solid tailgating situations as well.

    How I'd rank the Patriot League venues:

    1) Lehigh
    2) Lafayette
    3) Holy Cross
    4t) Fordham
    4t) Colgate
    6) Georgetown
    7) Bucknell

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