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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Nice work Dewey on taking the time to do this!


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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Think we need to change the name of the MVFC Pick Em contest to something the rest of AGS might find more acceptable. How about ... MVFC Least-Biased Fan contest ??


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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird 4th & short View Post
    Think we need to change the name of the MVFC Pick Em contest to something the rest of AGS might find more acceptable. How about ... MVFC Least-Biased Fan contest ??

    Nice, One thing we learned is ...... how to prevent an MVFC thread from going 300 pages

    Someone who has been telling valley fans for years that they're biased, and a Puerto Rican no less, enters the Contest and places in the top three in all three categories, despite knowing next to nothing about the teams

    Thread closed in a Fargo minute

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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Quote Originally Posted by caribbeanhen View Post
    Nice, One thing we learned is ...... how to prevent an MVFC thread from going 300 pages

    Someone who has been telling valley fans for years that they're biased, and a Puerto Rican no less, enters the Contest and places in the top three in all three categories, despite knowing next to nothing about the teams

    Thread closed in a Fargo minute

    bookit
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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Quote Originally Posted by UpstateBison View Post
    Since Delaware has no chance of making the playoffs, I admire your ability to study the rest of the FCS. 落落落落落落


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    you are 100% correct, the seven-year lay off Delaware has taken from the playoffs has really helped me learn more about the FCS overall, I lied up there, I did know a little bit about the valley teams.
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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Quote Originally Posted by caribbeanhen View Post
    Nice, One thing we learned is ...... how to prevent an MVFC thread from going 300 pages

    Someone who has been telling valley fans for years that they're biased, and a Puerto Rican no less, enters the Contest and places in the top three in all three categories, despite knowing next to nothing about the teams

    Thread closed in a Fargo minute

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    Since you brought it up again ...

    You finished tied for 5th in regular season, not 3rd. And the playoffs included all games not just MVFC.

    And as I pointed out before, there is no bias to speak of in the 8 intra-conf games .. just home team bias, but that still doesn't count, though most fans likely pick their team to win more than they do .. so that would presumably work to any non-MVFC posters advantage.

    Now if you look only at the first 3 weeks with most of the OOC games .. you won 8, 8, and 8 games ... 24 total. So let's examine your claim for the 3 weeks with 95% of the OOC games where MVFC bias might come into play:

    - week 1, you finished tied for 13th with 16 other posters .. meaning only 1 finished below you
    - week 2, you finished tied for 8th with 13 other posters .. 10 more finished just 1 game behind you
    - week 3, you finished 1st (congrats) .. 23 finished just 1 game behind you .. note below

    To think if Liberty didn't block an easy FG by InSU in closing seconds in week 3, most of the 23 7's would have been 8's, and you would have dropped to 7. So a last second blocked FG against our 0-11 team is the only reason you didn't finished in bottom half in week 3 as well.

    So in short, other than week 3, you were MIDDLE of the pack in games where MVFC bias would come into play. For all 3 weeks, almost everyone had won between 22 and 25 games, most had 23 or 24. So you successfully picked very similarly to what most of the MVFC posters picked .. within 1 or 2 games out of 26 games played.

    And you were a blocked FG from finishing in lower half for the OOC MVFC games.

    Not quite the picture of stupid bias you are trying to paint.

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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    You really put a lot of work into this but where did I ever say bias was bad?

    do you have the numbers on the northern Iowa Southern Utah game? How many went with northern Iowa ?

    I ask that taking the risk of not having counted myself

    how many took South Dakota State over JMU?

    how many took Western Illinois over weber state?

    How many took South Dakota over Sam Houston State ?

    sure you have a reason to be biased, I agree that the valley is the best conference in FCS right now but that doesn't help you guys for picking games
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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    I need to start drinking PR rum before my picks. My % will increase dramatically.


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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Quote Originally Posted by caribbeanhen View Post
    You really put a lot of work into this but where did I ever say bias was bad?

    do you have the numbers on the northern Iowa Southern Utah game? How many went with northern Iowa ?

    I ask that taking the risk of not having counted myself

    how many took South Dakota State over JMU?

    how many took Western Illinois over weber state?

    How many took South Dakota over Sam Houston State ?

    sure you have a reason to be biased, I agree that the valley is the best conference in FCS right now but that doesn't help you guys for picking games
    you've bragged about this enough, and clearly inferring the MVFC bias is unwarranted .. why else would you keep bringing it up, if not ?

    I picked JMU over SDSU. I picked SHSU over USD. But yes, I also picked WIU over Weber St, and they lost a very close game on the road to the only team to play JMU within a TD .. not exactly evidence of unwarranted bias. To be honest, I don't remember the UNI or InSU picks in week 3.

    As for MVFC being top conference and it is not "helping us picking MVFC games" .. again, the statement is not supported by the results. In first 3 weeks, a very large majority of us picked between 22 and 25 games correctly, many with 23 or 24 ... out of 26 games. So you think this bias is hurting our ability to make picks .. how do you reach that conclusion when most of us are picking 85-92% correctly. Somehow we should be closer to 100% to prove we aren't stupidly biased ?

    85-92% correct ... having trouble understanding your point about MVFC bias.

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    Re: Final MVFC prediction standings

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird 4th & short View Post
    Since you brought it up again ...

    You finished tied for 5th in regular season, not 3rd. And the playoffs included all games not just MVFC.

    And as I pointed out before, there is no bias to speak of in the 8 intra-conf games .. just home team bias, but that still doesn't count, though most fans likely pick their team to win more than they do .. so that would presumably work to any non-MVFC posters advantage.

    Now if you look only at the first 3 weeks with most of the OOC games .. you won 8, 8, and 8 games ... 24 total. So let's examine your claim for the 3 weeks with 95% of the OOC games where MVFC bias might come into play:

    - week 1, you finished tied for 13th with 16 other posters .. meaning only 1 finished below you
    - week 2, you finished tied for 8th with 13 other posters .. 10 more finished just 1 game behind you
    - week 3, you finished 1st (congrats) .. 23 finished just 1 game behind you .. note below

    To think if Liberty didn't block an easy FG by InSU in closing seconds in week 3, most of the 23 7's would have been 8's, and you would have dropped to 7. So a last second blocked FG against our 0-11 team is the only reason you didn't finished in bottom half in week 3 as well.

    So in short, other than week 3, you were MIDDLE of the pack in games where MVFC bias would come into play. For all 3 weeks, almost everyone had won between 22 and 25 games, most had 23 or 24. So you successfully picked very similarly to what most of the MVFC posters picked .. within 1 or 2 games out of 26 games played.

    And you were a blocked FG from finishing in lower half for the OOC MVFC games.

    Not quite the picture of stupid bias you are trying to paint.
    Dewey said I finished third in the regular season so I'll go with what he said

    looks like there was a three way tie for second though,

    there's always next year if you're really this sore about the results. Haha
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