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    From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    Interesting read on Idaho's journey, unrealistic boosters, and the fact that other lower tier FBS programs are watching what happens to Idaho with interest....

    Idaho, meanwhile, brought in $10 million across all of its sports, enough to cover less than half of its budget. The rest came from the broader university and student fees. The Rose Bowl experience was a fantasy, and Staben knew it, even if some alumni didn’t.“That isn’t by any means the kind of thing the University of Idaho is likely going to attain,” Staben said. “It’s a totally different league, and you and I and all reasonable people understand that.”
    Though no university has copied Staben’s move, schools across the country are closely following Idaho’s transition. Staben said presidents at other schools have called to say they admire his courage. Some would love to do the same, they tell him, but they’re too worried about the outcry from alumni.
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...icher-idaho-v/

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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    I think the alumni would quickly get over it. More regional rivalries, better chance to win.

    I see it as getting essentially the same on field product for a fraction of the cost. What's not to like?
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    Idaho's move to FBS might have turned out better, but no one could predict the rapid rise of Boise State from a junior college to a national brand name. Rose Bowl experience is unrealistic. Now the Vandals are back to their natural rivals- eventually most of these "fans" who have deserted them will come back.

    I'll be interested to see what happens to New Mexico State now that they will be a football independent. Any thoughts on which other schools might be seriously thinking about a return to FCS?
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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    Quote Originally Posted by Laker View Post
    I'll be interested to see what happens to New Mexico State now that they will be a football independent. Any thoughts on which other schools might be seriously thinking about a return to FCS?
    Almost none. Outside of Winston-Salem and Savannah State, how many schools are going back to Division II?
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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    Quote Originally Posted by kalm View Post
    Interesting read on Idaho's journey, unrealistic boosters, and the fact that other lower tier FBS programs are watching what happens to Idaho with interest....


    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...icher-idaho-v/
    Thanks for posting this kalm. I saw this article in the paper on Sunday and thought it was pretty interesting. It seems to me, with the advent of the P5 and the FBS playoff system that has been created that a two tier system in FBS, and for me its not as enjoyable as it used to be. I've always enjoyed following the Mountain West but now that they have basically been eliminated from competing at the top levels of their division, whats the point? Some minor bowl game? It also seems to me that the quality of play of the non P5 has degraded as all of the money and interest is manipulated and controlled by the P5.

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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    Quote Originally Posted by kalm View Post
    Interesting read on Idaho's journey, unrealistic boosters, and the fact that other lower tier FBS programs are watching what happens to Idaho with interest....


    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...icher-idaho-v/
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    LMAO. The fans are mad? I just do not get it. In 22 years of FBS football they had 5 winning seasons and no season with 10 wins and an overall percentage of 33.1%. What alumni booster says ya give me some more of that!!!?

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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    Quote Originally Posted by DFW HOYA View Post
    Almost none. Outside of Winston-Salem and Savannah State, how many schools are going back to Division II?
    Presbyterian is moving to an even lower level of football than D2 (PFL). One factor working against teams going from D-I to D-II is the loss of March Madness money. WSSU and SSU wanted to save scholarship football so they moved down a division.

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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    Quote Originally Posted by kalm View Post
    Interesting read on Idaho's journey, unrealistic boosters, and the fact that other lower tier FBS programs are watching what happens to Idaho with interest....


    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...icher-idaho-v/
    Good read; I think over time we'll see more lower tier FBS schools at least consider seriously the move to FCS. How many actual moves that translates to is debatable as it is hard to put that genie back in the bottle.

    I wonder what the long term viability of C-USA and the Sun Belt are as they get next to nothing, on a per-school basis, for TV revenue . In 2016-17 C-USA's TV revenue dropped 82% from the previous year. The only thing really helping them (and the SBC) financially is March Madness conference revenue and $$ under bowl and CFP agreements.

    The real question to me is when will the upper echelon FCS teams / conferences create a new subdivision with the non-P5 conferences (maybe less the AAC / MAC / MW). Set the # of schollies in the new subdivision at 72 and create anew playoff. Schools could compete as an Independent at the new level or stay put.

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    I think the AAC schools are only in good shape because consistently they're the best G5 league. Houston, Temple, Memphis, UCF, ECU & USF all have build solid programs. So every year the AAC champ is almost a lock to get that NY6 bid against a P5 team on New Years Day. The only way they can miss out on the NY6 games is if Boise State had a unbelievable year and went undefeated or had 1 loss to a good and solid P5 program. Few teams want to give up that NCAA tournament money to go down to D2. Now the HBCU's it might benefit them to drop down because the CIAA tournament is pretty big and does well financially for all schools especially if your teams can make it to Championship Sunday. The SIAC basketball tournament I don't think its a big financial gain so SWAC schools have to pretty much have no choice but collect the NCAA tournament money while not producing NCAA FCS playoff participants as their top 2 teams play for the SWAC title during NCAA playoff weekend.

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    Re: From the Rose Bowl to FCS

    I know coming from a school that just finished transitioning up this may not sound as good, but moving from FBS to FCS is smart for Idaho. Lower budgets and actually offering their student athletes a better experience are both great reasons. They will be much more competitive, spend less and have the potential to actually bring in more. I would think that if the move does prove successful that others would follow, probably not an avalanche of school but still others would see it and say why not? I don't see a need for a 3rd football subdivision, two is more than enough.

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