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    Re: PC officially to Pionner

    The Summit commissioner has said things such as "bigger is better" and "we like divisions." Not sure whether he is serious or just posing.

    For divisions, they would want at least three new members. Candidates include former members Chicago State and UMKC.

    That third spot could be Augie's if they could pay for the move up. Going non-scholly in football would soften the financial impact. I don't see them competing at a MVFC level.

    Furthermore, I don't think the Summit would go farther west to get Grand Canyon, D-I's only for-profit school (Denver would veto that). Nor would NM State want to leave the WAC, where they win a basketball auto bid every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Model Citizen View Post
    Mid-March means only one thing to sports fanatics: offseason news from the Pioneer Football League.

    So what school will be the next to join the PFL?

    --Augustana SD (potential D-II move up to the Summit League)
    --Azusa Pacific (potential D-II move up to the WAC)
    --VMI

    ??????????????????????

    No Georgetown jokes, please.
    IMO, VMI should be in the Patriot League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Model Citizen View Post
    The Summit commissioner has said things such as "bigger is better" and "we like divisions." Not sure whether he is serious or just posing.

    For divisions, they would want at least three new members. Candidates include former members Chicago State and UMKC.

    That third spot could be Augie's if they could pay for the move up. Going non-scholly in football would soften the financial impact. I don't see them competing at a MVFC level.

    Furthermore, I don't think the Summit would go farther west to get Grand Canyon, D-I's only for-profit school (Denver would veto that). Nor would NM State want to leave the WAC, where they win a basketball auto bid every year.
    I expect Ft. Wayne to be leaving the Summit. UMKC would like to come back.
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    Re: PC officially to Pionner

    As I said in another thread - the last thing the upper Midwest needs is another D1 team.

    Population - fan base, TV sets, and athletes- are already SUPER stretched to support what we already have.

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    Re: PC officially to Pionner

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    Which is a shame, because NJIT is a good school that does more with less. They stayed in Newark when so many institutions fled the city.

    IMO, they would be a good fit for the NEC.
    While I also heard their last pitch was bad, I see them being a better fit for the AE. The AE is a mixture of the schools that represent the state at the D1 level or also sit right under the "flag ships" in the state. UNH UMaine UVM are flagships you have UMBC behind the Terps you have SBU UA BU all being at the top of the public school list in NY. One could argue Buffalo is above them but not by much. UML behind BC and Amherst. Hartford behind UCONN. Of course there are other schools that compete with the AE schools in terms of student size and athletic stature. Boston University, Northereastern, the IVY's in each state, Towson University, CCSU, Quinnipiac, URI, Monmouth. I see NJIT viewing themselves as the second largest school in NJ behind Rutgers and wanting to elevate their athletics to a higher level. That's why I see them being with the Hartfords and UNH's of the world over the STFU's and wagners. They want to Identify as a bigger face of their state as the public and private AE schools do.

    If that makes sense in any sort of way. Also I am sure the NEC/AE has a "checklist" of sorts that NJIT is working towards completing, may take years who knows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UNHWildcat18 View Post
    While I also heard their last pitch was bad, I see them being a better fit for the AE. The AE is a mixture of the schools that represent the state at the D1 level or also sit right under the "flag ships" in the state. UNH UMaine UVM are flagships you have UMBC behind the Terps you have SBU UA BU all being at the top of the public school list in NY. One could argue Buffalo is above them but not by much. UML behind BC and Amherst. Hartford behind UCONN. Of course there are other schools that compete with the AE schools in terms of student size and athletic stature. Boston University, Northereastern, the IVY's in each state, Towson University, CCSU, Quinnipiac, URI, Monmouth. I see NJIT viewing themselves as the second largest school in NJ behind Rutgers and wanting to elevate their athletics to a higher level. That's why I see them being with the Hartfords and UNH's of the world over the STFU's and wagners. They want to Identify as a bigger face of their state as the public and private AE schools do.

    If that makes sense in any sort of way. Also I am sure the NEC/AE has a "checklist" of sorts that NJIT is working towards completing, may take years who knows.
    Makes very good sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNHWildcat18 View Post
    While I also heard their last pitch was bad, I see them being a better fit for the AE. The AE is a mixture of the schools that represent the state at the D1 level or also sit right under the "flag ships" in the state. UNH UMaine UVM are flagships you have UMBC behind the Terps you have SBU UA BU all being at the top of the public school list in NY. One could argue Buffalo is above them but not by much. UML behind BC and Amherst. Hartford behind UCONN. Of course there are other schools that compete with the AE schools in terms of student size and athletic stature. Boston University, Northereastern, the IVY's in each state, Towson University, CCSU, Quinnipiac, URI, Monmouth. I see NJIT viewing themselves as the second largest school in NJ behind Rutgers and wanting to elevate their athletics to a higher level. That's why I see them being with the Hartfords and UNH's of the world over the STFU's and wagners. They want to Identify as a bigger face of their state as the public and private AE schools do.

    If that makes sense in any sort of way. Also I am sure the NEC/AE has a "checklist" of sorts that NJIT is working towards completing, may take years who knows.
    That's fine, but the AE, if it is going to add someone, needs a school that plays baseball, field hockey, women's volleyball and softball. Field hockey already is down to 5 with 4 west coast affiliates (Stanford, Cal, UC Davis and Pacific) in a weird setup. Baseball, volleyball and softball are at 7.

    NJIT offers baseball but that's it. Why would it make sense to add NJIT if they don't shore up what the AE needs? It's one more school to swallow an automatic bid in a one bid conference, and make it harder for long term schools to qualify for national tournaments. And it doesn't bring money. There's no AETV that needs to get into the New York market.

    If NJIT were already in AE, it would be an okay fit. But, they aren't in, and they don't solve any problems.

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    Re: PC officially to Pionner

    Quote Originally Posted by ccd494 View Post
    That's fine, but the AE, if it is going to add someone, needs a school that plays baseball, field hockey, women's volleyball and softball. Field hockey already is down to 5 with 4 west coast affiliates (Stanford, Cal, UC Davis and Pacific) in a weird setup. Baseball, volleyball and softball are at 7.

    NJIT offers baseball but that's it. Why would it make sense to add NJIT if they don't shore up what the AE needs? It's one more school to swallow an automatic bid in a one bid conference, and make it harder for long term schools to qualify for national tournaments. And it doesn't bring money. There's no AETV that needs to get into the New York market.

    If NJIT were already in AE, it would be an okay fit. But, they aren't in, and they don't solve any problems.
    Hence why I said it could take years until they have the what the AE needs/wants in terms of the right sports/facilities/athletic department structure............... Who knows if they will ever do whats necessary to join, or if they ever join at all. This is all just speculation.

    Also I'm sorry but regardless of the conference, whether its since creation or first year in, you either win the conference bid or shut up. If its a one bid conference so be it. If its harder with one more school so be it, still fair game for every team every season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UNHWildcat18 View Post
    Also I'm sorry but regardless of the conference, whether its since creation or first year in, you either win the conference bid or shut up. If its a one bid conference so be it. If its harder with one more school so be it, still fair game for every team every season.
    Sure, every team has a fair crack at it every year, but if you are going to reduce your odds from 1/9 to 1/10, at least get something in return. I'm skeptical NJIT will ever get its **** together to the point that it offers anything.

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    Re: PC officially to Pionner

    It also reduces everyoneís slice of pie when money is handed out. Which isnít that big to begin with. If they sponsored every conference sport, thatís one thing. But to take them in just because they are in the area you feel sorry for them being in a Florida based league is foolish.


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