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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by Roll 'gate View Post
    Lafayette is a team to watch. Just not sure when they get over the hump!
    The Pards will probably be improved in Garrett's second year. Watch the recruiting, however. It will be key. The big problem in 2017 has been the O-Line. It has been terrible - for the 8th consecutive year. Injuries were a factor, but, in my opinion, the talent wasn't there, regardless. If the program is dependent on recruiting to solve this problem, you need to remember that freshmen in the O-Line will not be a good sign. RB is another problem that will have to be addressed via recruiting. QB - the key to absolutely everything - is a question mark. Garrett went with freshman O'Malley for the entire year. Granted that he was playing behind the worst O-Line in the League, but anyone who saw the second coming at QB raise your hand. I thought not.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by Lehigh'98 View Post
    Please remember we played Holy Cross and Bucknell in those games.
    Yup that is who we played and both have better Os than Pards.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by LehighU11 View Post
    Unlikely since LU will only return 2 other QBs next year besides Mayes and neither are the current backup. Shoup, who is a freshman out of Georgia, may have the better shot. An athletic, mobile QB who drew some comparisons to Shafnisky when he was recruited, though not quite as big. I believe Colgate also extended an offer to him.
    I would not discount Monaco so quickly. He came in as an A-S QB from Fla. He is a clone of Shaf. A bit lighter but runs sprintouts well and is more of a pass first QB. Shoup is a bit shorter and lighter but equally athletic with a quicker release. Arm strength looks about the same.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by RichH2 View Post
    I would not discount Monaco so quickly. He came in as an A-S QB from Fla. He is a clone of Shaf. A bit lighter but runs sprintouts well and is more of a pass first QB. Shoup is a bit shorter and lighter but equally athletic with a quicker release. Arm strength looks about the same.
    Yes, both Shoup and Monaco have excellent credentials from their HS careers. Unless there is a coaching change, I'd expect Mayes to remain the starter next year. I recall the situation with J.B. Clark well: a rising senior (coincidentally also from FL like Mayes) and 2-time Lehigh-Lafayette MVP (following 4 years of losses to LC before his wins) who lost the job to then-junior Lum. However, Lum had a significant amount of playing time in 2009 as a sophomore. He saw action in 9 games and started 3.

    This year's situation is quite different. Neither of the 2 potential new starting QBs have seen a single snap this year. Also, I think it is fair to say that Clark was not quite the caliber of QB that Mayes is. J.B completed just 50% of his passes and had 13 TD and 9 Int, barely outperforming Lum in his limited role that season.
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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Next year we will have 4 QBs on roster. It will be Monaco's 3rd yr and Shoup's 2nd. While neither saw the field both will know the system if Mayes gets hurt. Lets hope that next year's OLine protects him as well as this year.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by Colgate Raider Redux View Post
    Achieving PL versus Individual team "national stature enhancement" is more of an interdependent conundrum than a chicken-egg thing. Remember that Fordham, Lehigh and Colgate were the advocates for the transition to scholies, while the other PL schools were slower to adapt their fb programs initially. Through coaching changes and other initiatives, Holy Cross and Lafayette are now making more strategic commitments to upgrade the performance of their fb programs. They may close the gap, but it will be a gradual process, at best. It seems unlikely that Bucknell or Georgetown are going to change things significantly anytime soon. In aggregate, this variation is all fine--there's no way to compel intra-league performance parity. Adherence to league rules ( AI, redshirting, etc. ) may affect the character of the league. But, as one dimension of the bonds within the league, it is not a formula for raising the national stature of the league. And, relative to increasing the fb program's resources allocation, it has only a neglible impact on intra-league performance "parity" or comparative performance outside the PL.

    One of the beauties of PL fb affiliation is that 5 of 11 games of the total annual schedule are o.o.c.. According to a school's srrategic vision for their fb program, they can "up-schedule" or "down-schedule" from PL competition. Intra-PL competition will only go so far in satisfying the institutional and/or competitive aspirations of all or each of the PL teams.

    Although I expect some garadual improvement in intra-league parity, it's unlikely that the RPI improvement will contribute significantly to the stature of PL champs or the league itself on the larger stage.
    So at what point/how do you turn this conference into a legitimate 2 team playoff bid conference?

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by Roll 'gate View Post
    Is there a backup that could actually challenge for the job hiding in that valley?

    Our lehigh contingent ... expecting coaching changes this off season or does this "successful" year give them another year to mess up?
    Good question. IF, and that's a big if, the defense shines against Lafayette, it could get a reprieve for Sutyak for another year. Of course, most defenses have looked good against Lafayette this year so he's in a no-win situation. IF the 'pards actually move the ball and put up a bunch of point, regardless if we outscore the Leotards, then I can see some change(s). Then, again, IF we win and go on the road and perform well against "whoever" that would effect the decision, as well.
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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by Roll 'gate View Post
    So at what point/how do you turn this conference into a legitimate 2 team playoff bid conference?
    One of the teams will always be the AQ. Three developments have to take place concurrently: 1. The PL has 5 schools ( including H.C. and Laffy ) that have competitive RPI's. Therefore the A.Q. and the next best team have modestly improved RPI's from intra-league play than they currently receive from PL competition today. 2. The 5 competitive P.L. teams will adopt o.o.c. schedules where each game is an "up-schedule" of PL competition. 3. The P.L. A.Q. runner up has success in its "up-sheduled o.o.c. games."

    In the spirit of "putting this strategy in place before you have the horses" check out these Holy Cross schedules for 2018 and 2019. Prudent ?

    1. 2018: http://www.goholycross.com/SportSele...&Q_SEASON=2018
    2. 2019: http://www.goholycross.com/SportSele...&Q_SEASON=2019
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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Holy Cross will be a stronger program moving forward. Maybe not next year, in terms of results, but with the right hire at head coach the future will be a lot brighter than it has been for awhile on Mt St James. The school finally seems committed to putting forth more resources, energy etc to football than it has since they dropped scholarships in 1991.

    Long road back....but i think we are finally back on our way.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

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    Long road back.... but i think we are finally back on our way.


    Sader87, I hope you understand that H.C.'s current challenge has been experienced by every other PL school at some point in the past. Each PL team has a storied history. But the other schools haven't gotten obsessed with the past. If the program isn't stuck, the past just blends into an evolving culture of the program. CASE IN POINT: check out one of the teams whose current situation you love to knock.
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