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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by CFBfan View Post
    bigger concern / questions: how long will the PL be content with seemingly no lift from 6 years and counting of scholarships?
    They are content.

    The Presidents aren't going to drop or reduce scholarships and, like scholarship basketball, may come to the conclusion that the lift wasn't what they had anticipated but it is the cost of doing business at this level.
    Georgetown: "We play where we do not compete, and compete where we do not play."

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by DFW HOYA View Post
    They are content.

    The Presidents aren't going to drop or reduce scholarships and, like scholarship basketball, may come to the conclusion that the lift wasn't what they had anticipated but it is the cost of doing business at this level.
    with results no better then pre-scholly days i'm not so sure. pretty hard to justify that cost!

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by CFBfan View Post
    bigger concern / questions: how long will the PL be content with seemingly no lift from 6 years and counting of scholarships?
    PL Concil of Presidents acts slowly in most everything they do. It took years for us to follow Fordham and more time to fully implement. The lack of success has resulted in some small adjustments to financial aid to provide for 69 athletic grants plus need aid up to 63. 3 schools have hired new young HCs to reinvigorate their programs. The remaining obstacles of the AI,redshirting and roster caps are next but dont expect substantive changes any time soon.
    Roster cap is actually a non issue . The AI and redshirting rules are a remnant of our Ivy Lite inception.Fordham,Lehigh and Colgate have been supportive of modifications to these holdovers. For varying reasons both philosophical and financial other Presidsents seem reluctant to pursue any further actions.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by RichH2 View Post
    PL Council of Presidents acts slowly in most everything they do. It took years for us to follow Fordham and more time to fully implement. The lack of success has resulted in some small adjustments to financial aid to provide for 69 athletic grants plus need aid up to 63. 3 schools have hired new young HCs to reinvigorate their programs. The remaining obstacles of the AI, redshirting and roster caps are next but don't expect substantive changes any time soon.
    Roster cap is actually a non issue. The AI and redshirting rules are a remnant of our Ivy Lite inception. Fordham, Lehigh and Colgate have been supportive of modifications to these holdovers. For varying reasons both philosophical and financial other Presidents seem reluctant to pursue any further actions.
    Correction - PL Council of Presidents, like the Ivies, is GLACIAL in how they make decisions and implement changes. "Slowly" connotes far more rapid movement than is actually the case.

    This Summer marks thirty-five years since the league was announced (1983). Time moves quickly, but not for the Patriot (or Ivy).

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by Go...gate View Post
    Correction - PL Council of Presidents, like the Ivies, is GLACIAL in how they make decisions and implement changes. "Slowly" connotes far more rapid movement than is actually the case.

    This Summer marks thirty-five years since the league was announced (1983). Time moves quickly, but not for the Patriot (or Ivy).
    Well yeah! Slow for our Presidents is defined in academic terms. "Soon" translates to perhaps within a decade or two.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by DFW HOYA View Post
    Yale had a six year series, did not renew.
    Harvard had a four year series, did not renew.
    Princeton had a four year series, did not renew.
    Penn had a two year series, did not renew.

    The Ivies are sending a message--they, like many of us, grow weary with the never ending talk about future facilities. More importantly, they want a competitive opponent. Georgetown is 1-15 against those teams since 2007. Is that a function of bad luck, bad coaching, or that the current model is making it less and less likely Georgetown gets the talent to compete?
    The Ivies want a name opponent they can reliably beat. The Hoyas meet that criteria. It's the facilities that are too much of an embarrassment for the Ivies to bear.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by van View Post
    how long will they be content playing Pioneer teams?
    They donít want any part of the mvfc


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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by CFBfan View Post
    with results no better then pre-scholly days i'm not so sure. pretty hard to justify that cost!
    If there's any kind of a cost/benefit analysis going on here I'm not seeing it. At Lafayette it is 100% about the cost and how to keep it down.

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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

    Quote Originally Posted by PAllen View Post
    The Ivies want a name opponent they can reliably beat. The Hoyas meet that criteria. It's the facilities that are too much of an embarrassment for the Ivies to bear.
    Once upon a not too long time ago, it looked like the Ancient Eight had bought a new suit of clothes. They did a little national scheduling as they showed the Patsies the door. I always thought that Murphy would lead the way here, but it was Princeton. And now ... ?
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    Re: Patriot League 2018 - way way way to early

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    They don’t want any part of the mvfc


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    I highly doubt Yale, Penn and likely Dartmouth would shy away from a mid-level MVFC team. One of them would likely be willing take on a UNI or NDSU or SDSU. Those Ivies have shown the ability to compete and beat teams from the power conferences. The question for the Ivy League school's is obviously what's the benefit outside of the game itself? Playing CAA teams makes sense for many reasons. The SoCon offers private schools with good academics. Plus there's a lot of Ivy League grads that find their way to Atlanta and Charlotte. BSC games give the Ivies a chance to touch base with the west coast. I'm not sure how eager IL athletic departments care about "directional mid-western state schools". It's a shame because I think there could be some awesome games. Yale vs UNI/SDSU this year would be must watch! It's clear some of the Ivy League coaches and players want to find a way into the national conversation.

    I love the PL-IL games! I always have! It's great that Lehigh seems intent on playing at least 2 a year.
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