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    Re: MVFC 2017- Brought to you by Casey's Pizza

    Drake is solid.

    I see Farley now called Cretin guy and said it was all a mistake. Offer stands! Lol

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    Re: MVFC 2017- Brought to you by Casey's Pizza

    Quote Originally Posted by F'N Hawks View Post
    Drake is solid.

    I see Farley now called Cretin guy and said it was all a mistake. Offer stands! Lol
    I'm sure that really won him over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper 76 View Post
    So, basically no addressing any of the points I made, just pointing at what happened. Considering all the regional teams I mentioned have the capability to match the FCOA NDSU can offer, it kinda neutralizes that advantage unless you're recruiting against the Citadel all the time. Actually SDSU can beat ndsu's offer I believe from what I remember seeing due to what the cost of attendance comes out to be in Brookings. Yes I know SDSU isn't able to offer every recruit FCOA at the moment, but they can offer it if they need to. But if your rebuttal is to point at the past when realistically there have been massive upgrades to your opponents and potential competition, that's the definition of having the blinders on. Also note I mentioned that it isn't going to happen immediately, it will take a couple years. But it certainly is a very plausible situation, especially looking at what I pointed out. None of that was "wishing" using hypotheticals of improvements that "could" happen to local schools NDSU competes with (and beats right now) for recruits. It's off of concrete improvements that present legitimate competition compared to what things were. Also USeD had a better recruiter as a head coach, so that's more to be added to the list. Just saying "ha ha we're NDSU keep wishing we did this and this" is the definition of bus son arrogance. But I didn't expect anything different I'm more interested in what other teams fans think.


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    You wrote a fantasy piece.
    - New president will be bad, we don't know yet.
    - Recruiting is going to be harder, sure but NDSU is going after a lot of G5 kids. Yes, NDSU doesn't get every kid that they want but let me point that recruiting as a whole is much better than 10 years ago. Even better than it used to be when Bohl was the coach in 2013. Increased local competition can hurt certainly, but I haven't seen it hurting yet.
    - SDSU having a higher FCOA amount. Not sure how much that counts when only a certain kids get it. Do you have numbers on how many have it? Things will change if SDSU can offer it to every recruit.
    - One other thing- national profile. NDSU has been on ESPN a LOT. Carson Wentz and the other NFL players aren't hurting either. Helps with recruiting.

    I am not saying that NDSU is infallible, and there are plenty of good programs that have fallen. Just that the likelihood of it happening is low. Fargo has a winning football culture, similar to Tuscaloosa. Failure isn't tolerated easily for football. On the other hand Stig has already hit his ceiling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centennial View Post
    You wrote a fantasy piece.
    - New president will be bad, we don't know yet.
    - Recruiting is going to be harder, sure but NDSU is going after a lot of G5 kids. Yes, NDSU doesn't get every kid that they want but let me point that recruiting as a whole is much better than 10 years ago. Even better than it used to be when Bohl was the coach. Increased local competition can hurt certainly, but I haven't seen it hurting yet.
    - SDSU having a higher FCOA amount. Not sure how much that counts when only a certain kids get it. Do you have numbers on how many have it? Things will change if SDSU can offer it to every recruit.
    - One other thing- national profile. NDSU has been on ESPN a LOT. Carson Wentz and the other NFL players aren't hurting either. Helps with recruiting.

    I am not saying that NDSU is infallible, and there are plenty of good programs that have fallen. Just that the likelihood of it happening is low. Fargo has a winning football culture, similar to Tuscaloosa. Failure isn't tolerated easily for football. On the other hand Stig will has already hit his ceiling.
    Fantasy piece? Really? you're delusional. I never said it would happen, I said it's possible. Yeah, NDSU is in the national profile, for now. I bet you see that shrink considerably now that the streak is over. Of course you haven't seen the local recruiting have an effect yet. SDSU just got their new stadium this year, and there's a large difference between being able to bring your recruits into the stadium compared to just pointing at some construction. UND just made the playoffs for the first time this year. The FCOA level matters when it comes down to a battle for the same recruit, if both want the same recruit badly, then it does matter, don't be ridiculous. And I understand that NFL players help with recruiting, and Wentz likely has a bigger impact than SDSUs recruits, but the fun fact is SDSU has the better NFL pedigree on the high end and recognition. A NFL Hall of Famer and another one on the way, and every person who knows Wentz has known the name Vinateiri for much longer. My point was that NDSU had those advantages prior to SDSU improving their facilities, so the Jacks adding the new facilities closed the gap. As to the Stig hitting his ceiling comment, that's a pretty retarded comment considering that the Jacks have set new school landmarks for rankings, records, and distance into the playoffs for the last three years or so now. Hitting his ceiling would need to show a plateau, yes? Hasn't happened yet.


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    Re: MVFC 2017- Brought to you by Casey's Pizza

    My thoughts on Thump's assessment which are a lot of wishful thinking, IMO.

    1. The next President's a pretty big unknown, and really projecting he will be bad for NDSU's football future is throwing blind darts, IMO.

    2. Also, I share similar thoughts on Fleck. Whether he really tries to pull more kids out of MN is an unknown, and even if he does NDSU will look towards Wisconsin and other areas. So really not much of a concern for me. I still think Fleck will feel pressure to pull kids from outside the region if he expects to compete in the B1G.

    3. Most importantly when it comes to recruiting the region I think NDSU needs to maintain their spot ahead of the rest of the FCS schools in the region. SDSU has a new stadium. UND has their new success and indoor facility, but really beating out the packed Fargodome and the tradition of NDSU football will be a tough sell as it has been. Sure there will be some, but NDSU generally wins most of these recruiting battles.

    4. Klieman getting poached is possible, but he didn't really build the program. As long as we make a decent (IMO in house hire) we can be fine. Even all that though is a lot of projecting.

    5. We sell bacon on a stick. Until other teams get on board with this program I don't see any reason NDSU gives up their upper hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper 76 View Post
    The reason I have the theory about that has nothing to do with NDSU losing in the playoffs finally. It has to do with the fact that their President left for a different school, and their competition for recruits are really getting ramped up in the region.
    Do you have sources we don't? AFAIK, DB hasn't been offered the Ohio job. I think they may still have one candidate left to interview; at least they did as of yesterday. So while DB may very well be leaving, it hasn't happened yet and it may not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammersmith View Post
    Do you have sources we don't? AFAIK, DB hasn't been offered the Ohio job. I think they may still have one candidate left to interview; at least they did as of yesterday. So while DB may very well be leaving, it hasn't happened yet and it may not at all.
    Hmph, I was given the impression he had taken the job. Welp, that's what I get for not researching what I'm told.


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    I don't think Fleck will have that much effect or any on NDSU recruiting. He seems like a lot of "hot air" watching him in some of his interviews. The Twin Cities has many very good recruits and the Gophers will not get them all. He's bringing WMU recruits with him.......Maybe he'll be a decent coach, I have my doubts.

    As for Thumper's post on NDSU's potential fall, it will not happen. Will they continue to make the NC game? Obviously no, but NDSU is going no where. They will be consistently at the top of the Valley and the top of the FCS. NDSU is a football school and the alum and Teammakers will not accept a subpar team. There will be down years for sure but this program will always be successful.

    Bring on SDSU, UND and USD.

    NDSU returns a ton for next year. DeLuca and Tanguay are coming back on defense and it will be loaded. The defense loses 1 DE and 2 LBs. The offense needs to replace 3 OL, which doesn't concern me because NDSU always replaces OL. Great RFR class is coming in and this year's recruiting class looks awesome so far.

    Teams that will make a run at the Valley title in 2017 IMO:

    NDSU
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    UNI and WIU could also.

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    ISUb sounds like they are about to hire Curt Mallory as HC. Defensive coach that's been at Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and most recently Wyoming. I dont know how this will affect 2017. I dont think we still have our OC from last year so that will be one thing he has to hire. we lost about half our staff which might allow him to pick his own guys.

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    Re: MVFC 2017- Brought to you by Casey's Pizza

    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper 76 View Post
    Fantasy piece? Really? you're delusional. I never said it would happen, I said it's possible. Yeah, NDSU is in the national profile, for now. I bet you see that shrink considerably now that the streak is over. Of course you haven't seen the local recruiting have an effect yet. SDSU just got their new stadium this year, and there's a large difference between being able to bring your recruits into the stadium compared to just pointing at some construction. UND just made the playoffs for the first time this year. The FCOA level matters when it comes down to a battle for the same recruit, if both want the same recruit badly, then it does matter, don't be ridiculous. And I understand that NFL players help with recruiting, and Wentz likely has a bigger impact than SDSUs recruits, but the fun fact is SDSU has the better NFL pedigree on the high end and recognition. A NFL Hall of Famer and another one on the way, and every person who knows Wentz has known the name Vinateiri for much longer. My point was that NDSU had those advantages prior to SDSU improving their facilities, so the Jacks adding the new facilities closed the gap. As to the Stig hitting his ceiling comment, that's a pretty retarded comment considering that the Jacks have set new school landmarks for rankings, records, and distance into the playoffs for the last three years or so now. Hitting his ceiling would need to show a plateau, yes? Hasn't happened yet.


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    Yea, I heard the Vinateiri jersey was the #1 selling NFL jersey this year. Most people think Vinateiri was some foreigner that played soccer someplace and ended up on an NFL roster.

    I don't have an issue with anything else you said expect the Jacks still suck balls.

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