It's not just The Citadel, We lost two starters on the offensive line that graduated but still had a year of eligibility that they chose to forgo.
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It's not just The Citadel, We lost two starters on the offensive line that graduated but still had a year of eligibility that they chose to forgo.
It will be a crazy season this fall. A wide open race for the SOCON.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mocs123
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Originally Posted by PaladinFan
I appreciate your points. They are good ones. I dont think I am missing them.
Here is why I say that Hatcher is the best coach in the SoCon...
1. Hatcher's overall record is 134 and 67.
2. He has won a national championship as a Head coach. Not sure any other coach in the SoCon has done that at any level.
3. He was Named National Coach of the Year from the American Football Coaches Association, Not sure any other coach has done that at any level.
4. He was Named Coach of the year 14 times by regional and local associations.
5. He was a two time All American as a player. You have to understand the game to win that award.
6. He won National player of the year and won the Harlon Hill trophy. Not many coaches or players do that.
7. He had two undefeated seasons back to back as a head coach. Rare.
8. He led a dismal Murray state program to their first winning season in many years.
9. He is a great recruiter, especially in Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.
10. installed the highest rated offense in the SoCon since coming to Samford.
11. Developed a quarterback which won the SoCon Offensive Player of the year in 2016.
12. In two years at Samford he led them to the playoffs for the 4th time in school history.
13. The team finished in the top 25 and will be ranked in the top 25 this year.
14. He may fall on his face, he has his flaws, but his overall resume says he is the best in the SoCon.
Who do you say has the better proven performance in the SoCon? I am open to change my mind on this. Not saying he is perfect or the best coach in the country. Who is the top coach in the SoCon if not Hatcher?
And the Head Coach left. And I heard a new assistant that was hired has already left. That was a surprise to me. You would think winning programs like the Citadel and UTC would not be having an exodus like this. Don't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mocs123
Since the time that Samford joined the SoCon in 2008, they have yet to win the conference football championship outright. In fact, the only football championship they can claim is 2013, when they SHARED it with UTC and Furman.
During that same time frame, they have been to the playoffs twice, posting an 0-2 record and NEVER making it out of the first round.
All this talk about whose got the best head coach, offensive line, punter, etc is horse-apples. When you actually start winning the conference outright (heck, even contend for it on a somewhat regular basis) and start making some noise in the playoffs, then the rest of us will give serious thought to your speculations.
Those are the facts you can bank.
Nice. I am "banking" that one away as requested to prepare a "royal" vocabulary "horse apple" sandwich for your dining enjoyment later this year. xlolx This is the forum where we talk about such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir William
I hear a lot of negativity,xblahx, but few giving any plausible information on their own teams on why they think they will win it. The best responses have been from FuBear and Paladin fan. This is a prediction. Whats your prediction on why Furman will win it? Or UTC? Or the Citadel? or Wofford? Or Mercer? Just negative vibes xnonono2x, on the prediction of Samford being positioned to win 7 games xthumbsupxwhich I think will win it, based on the league this year. No case.. just hatin on them?
There are 5 other teams with the possibility in my book of winning it. Why will one of the other 5 win it or not win it?
IMO...3 of the top 6 are having a lot of change, key player losses, average recruiting, turmoil or exodus right now. 2 of the 6, I think are 1-2 years away. That leaves Samford in 2017. I am not hating on any other team, just statin' the case. Love ya man...
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For all I know Sanford may be about to go on a NDSU like run, but they have been picked to win the SoCon by quite a few people the past few years and still haven't done it.
Hatchet is an offensive genius and was a fantastic D2 coach. Not sure if he is a fantastic D1 coach yet though.
There are lots of questions surrounding the top teams in the SoCon so I agree it could be anyone's year.
As for Chattanooga, we will know more after 8/26.
Huesman left for a lot more $ though there are rumors of some friction between him and the AD (no idea if true).Quote:
Originally Posted by youcanbankit
Staley left to take a NFL LB job which I am sure is more $ as well.
Here, again, offensive "geniuses" don't score only 14 points against ETSU - a team virtually everyone else in the conference hung 30, 40, or 50 points on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mocs123
I said it earlier, but Samford is effectively today's version of what Elon was 7 or 8 years ago with Scott Riddle.
It matters very little what Hatcher did at Valdosta State 10 years ago. D2 has weaker competition and fewer recruiting restrictions. Also, it is not as though he moved up to the FCS just last year. It's been 10 years.
I'm not anti-Samford, but lets all just look at the objective evidence and be reasonable about the conclusion.
So...just for fun, I will opine on my-oh-so-humble opinion of the PLAYER talent level in the SoCon (roughly) over the past 2 years...
1) Samford
1) Chattanooga
3) CIT
4) Woffy
5) WCU
6) Furman
7) Mercer
8) VMI
9) ETSU
...and here are those Teams' average order of finish over those 2 years (excuse me Bucs fans for ranking ETSU 9th in 2015, but I can't put them anywhere else for the purpose of this exercise)...
CIT 1+1 = 2/2 = 1
Chatt 1+2 = 3/2 = 1.5
Woffy 4+2 = 6/2 = 3
Sammy 4+4 = 8/2 = 4
WCU 3+8 = 11/2 = 5.5
Mercer 6+5 = 11/2 = 5.5
Furman 6+6 = 12/2 = 6
VMI 8+8 = 16/2 = 8
ETSU 9+7 = 16/2 = 8
...then, we can determine a delta between MOSHO of their Talent Level and their Avg. Finish and, in theory, derive a Coaching Factor Ranking...
1) CIT 1+1 = 2/2 = 1-3 = -2
2) ETSU 9+7 = 16/2 = 8-9 = -1
3) Woffy 4+2 = 6/2 = 3-3 = 0
4) Mercer 6+5 = 11/2 = 5.5-5.5 = 0
5) Furman 6+6 = 12/2 = 6-6 = 0
6) VMI 8+8 = 16/2 = 8-8 = 0
7) Chatt 1+2 = 3/2 = 1.5-1 = 0.5
8) WCU 3+8 = 11/2 = 5.5-5 = 0.5
9) Sammy 4+4 = 8/2 = 4-1 = 3
...and, if you don't dispute my Talent Ranking, then I would contend that the rankings immediately above accurately reflect the Coaching Jobs done by each of the Staffs. The math is a bit quirky as a negative number indicates Results (ostensibly due to Coaching over-performance) outperformed Talent, 0 indicates Results were equal to or expected based upon Talent Level, and a positive number indicates Talent was better than the results actually realized (ostensibly due to Coaching under-performance). Despite the quirky math, the magnitude of the over or under performance, ostensibly due to Coaching is reflected in the magnitude of the number greater than or less than zero.
Hate to see CIT on top (in ANYTHING), but there is no denying the outstanding job those 2 Coaching Staffs have done down there the past 2 years. And...on the other end of the spectrum...well, y'all can read...I don't need to spell it out any further.
FWIW, and to attempt to deflect what I expect to be PaladinFan's (usual) heavy critique of my analyses...I had absolutely no idea how this analysis would turn out when I started thinking about it. I did it all in a 'quick reply,' thought through my honest talent assessment, Wikipedia'd the standings data, and used what I believe to be a relatively fair way to analyze this data. I'm not surprised at the results, but I did not structure my analysis to fit a 'narrative' that I wanted it to fit. HONESTLY!