Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
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Originally Posted by
DetroitFlyer
Absolute rubbish. The reason for the current situation is the Dayton Flyers! Last season, we finished ranked in the top 25 in some FCS polls and were rumored to be in the playoff discussions, ( although I seriously doubt that rumor ). We defeated the PL champion, on their home field. Is there anyone who can clearly demonstrate that our program is not a legitimate, FCS program? Ask Fordham or Albany if we were a legitimate FCS team. Yeah, that Albany that prides itself in playing so many "real" FCS teams.... 2007 is also not the first time the Flyers have been ranked in FCS at the end of the season. We also did it in 1996 and 1997!
This is just more FBS wannabee talk. If you do not wish to be part of a diverse division, man up and provide 85 full athletic scholarships, get 15K fans to each home game and join your fantasy world of FBS. Pretty simple if you ask me, otherwise, quit your moaning! This division would be worlds better if all of the FBS wannabees and pretenders, ( and you know who you are ), would get off the pot and move to FBS.
Sure non-scholly teams can field a good, maybe even great team now and again. But there is a reason San Diego didn't make the playoffs, and they had arguably one of the bet non-scholly teams in the last several years. The fact is, if you put a non-scholly team into one of the power conferences, things are going to change. I mean the Bobcats beat CU a few years ago, I'm not naive enough to think we would be a decent team in the Big XII.
Face it, non-scholly teams are always looking to prove themselves, which makes them dangerous when they play a big time FCS opponent. Same thing when FCS teams play FBS teams.
I don't see whats wrong with not wanting a division of football that runs the gambit from the full allotment of scholarships to absolutely zero scholarships.
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
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Originally Posted by
Lehigh Football Nation
So Dayton would have D-I weight rooms for their D-II football players and their state-of-the-art athletics facilities?
That argument only works for DI schools playing DIII football.
Most DII football schools would compete just fine with schools like Dayton. And powerhouse DII teams (GVSU, for exmaple) would crush them.
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And they would spend even less money on football than they already do - and that money could be funneled to basketball?
As long as they stayed title IX compliant, yes.
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How is this fair when (say) Delaware spends money supporting football and men's basketball at the D-I level?
Dayton is allowed to drop football right now if they wanted to.
That would give Dayton and even bigger advantage over Delaware in basketball. Yet you are not saying anything about that.
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If you think the competitive advantages are bad now, imagine what they will be when teams funnel their money from football to basketball.
They're going to funnel money from their DII football teams to their DI basketball teams?
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
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Originally Posted by
DetroitFlyer
Absolute rubbish. The reason for the current situation is the Dayton Flyers! Last season, we finished ranked in the top 25 in some FCS polls and were rumored to be in the playoff discussions, ( although I seriously doubt that rumor ). We defeated the PL champion, on their home field. Is there anyone who can clearly demonstrate that our program is not a legitimate, FCS program? Ask Fordham or Albany if we were a legitimate FCS team. Yeah, that Albany that prides itself in playing so many "real" FCS teams.... 2007 is also not the first time the Flyers have been ranked in FCS at the end of the season. We also did it in 1996 and 1997!
This is just more FBS wannabee talk. If you do not wish to be part of a diverse division, man up and provide 85 full athletic scholarships, get 15K fans to each home game and join your fantasy world of FBS. Pretty simple if you ask me, otherwise, quit your moaning! This division would be worlds better if all of the FBS wannabees and pretenders, ( and you know who you are ), would get off the pot and move to FBS.
If you can not afford to give 45 equivalencies, you are not a FCS football team.
You are DII.
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
I've said this a thousand times.... How does having scholarships make you a better or more worthy team? If a team can compete, then there should be no problem. We can list a lot of teams that offer scholarships that are horrible, but because they have scholarships they are worthy FCS teams. The issue I see is that if a non-scholarship team can beat up on a scholarship team, then what is the justification for spending all that money on scholarships? Having non-scholarship football teams isn't hurting anyone. If anything the schools success at basketball can bring a little more attention to FCS football (Just from the PFL there was San Diego, Drake, Buttler, and Davidson) from fans that don't know much about that level, but recognize the school name from their basketball success.
So tell me this: What is so negative about having non-scholarship football at the FCS level? How does having scholarships make you a better team? Why not address the issue of having teams in the FCS that offer scholrships, but are not competetive. Those teams make the FCS look like a joke more than the non-scholarship teams do.
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about this because...
The reason that those programs left Division III was that the D3 membership voted them out. Regardless of whether we think it would be more fair at the Division II level the D2 membership would do the same thing. Why compete with a school that has the attraction of a Division I name when you don't have to?
I'm not at all for forcibly removing any Division I school from FCS football. I do think that a conference should have to meet some kind of minimum standard of scholarships in order to be considered for (or keep) an automatic playoff bid, but beyond that any Division I school that plays football should play it in Division I as is the case now. Besides, as we're all aware some of these teams regularly outperform at lot of full scholarship programs.
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
Does anyone have the data of how many schools offer at least 75% of the 63 scholarships in the FCS?
My guess is only the Pioneer, NE, and MAAC don't met this requirement, which is just under 20% of the division. (Note I don't count the Ivy and Patriot as they have at least that many grants).
I like the idea of a minimum requirement, but grants would count towards the number. And yes I believe there is a strong correlation between the number of scholarships and FCS wins.
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
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Originally Posted by
Saint3333
Does anyone have the data of how many schools offer at least 75% of the 63 scholarships in the FCS?
My guess is only the Pioneer, NE, and MAAC don't met this requirement, which is just under 20% of the division. (Note I don't count the Ivy and Patriot as they have at least that many grants).
I like the idea of a minimum requirement, but grants would count towards the number. And yes I believe there is a strong correlation between the number of scholarships and FCS wins.
News flash, Pioneer schools give the same grants to their players. They are called academic merit grants. There was a thread on this a while back.
Re: FCS non scholarship football teams to DII?
Yes and no.
What would be the Ivies' opinion on that? They wouldn't want something like this to happen, e.g. downgrading the set of teams their football teams would play...
and yet, we don't play against DII teams, unlike some teams in the South who still play them (DII teams).