Deja Vu....Where have I heard this debate before? xwhistlex
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A 45-42 win, with McNeese having two turnovers in the Southwest Texas State U redzone, plus another in the McNeese redzone is hardly "kicking our asses."
You guys fortuitously benefitted from the absence of All SLC recever Quinten Lawrence who sustained a season ending injury the week before AND you fortuitously benefitted from McNeese having been in a physical double overtime game in South Dakota the wee before.
Now, you played well, you DID win the game and you did get the Auto Bid, so you should have been ranked higher than we were. But you can forget that nonsense about "kicking our ass".
If you want to see an exemplar ass-kicking, take a look at the 41-20 results in 2007. THAT was an ass-kicking...
It's a moot point. Central Arkansas was clearly the class of the Southland Conference this year....
SDSU should be ranked IMO.
I didn't say that you didn't win. You did. But you hardly "kicked our asses."
You got outgained. The passing numbers were roughly equal, as were the number of first downs, etc.
It was a win, but it was hardly an ass kicking...
Take off the Bobcat colored glasses. Every SWTSU win isn't ass-kicking writ large and every SWTSU loss isn't a case of you being robbed...
I am hardly a Bobcat homer. Anyone who has read my posts on Bobcatfans would attest to that.
I understand where you are coming from, but I think an 18 point lead going into the 4th is a solid beating. Stop calling us SWTSU!!! haha
What happened to McNeese this season? I thought you guys brought back almost the entire 07 team. I expected them to contend for the national title this year.
Actually, they lost a lot on defense including Brian Smith. And that was their problem. They lost four games in which they scored 27, 42, 35, and 30 points. And the 27 was against North Carolina.
Another thing that happened is that they lost their fastest receiver, Quinten Lawrence, for the season during the SDSU game. He may have been the fastest player in the conference. Then they lost their other "stretch the field" receiver, Immanuel Friddle, early in the Texas State game after he'd opened that contest with a long run on a reverse. He did come back to play late in the season but was never the same. Hopefully he will be next year.
It happens. People have to deal with injuries. But the result was that McNeese started the season with two game breaking deep threat wideouts but by midway through the first quarter against Texas State they didn't have that anymore. And they needed for their offense to play at an extremely high level because their defense wasn't very strong. I've seen others write that it completely changed the way people could defend their offense and I agree. They still did very well offensively but it wasn't the same offense that gave North Carolina fits to open the season.
I wouldn't say TSU kicked McNeese's butt. I'd say that both defenses were pretty helpless and McNeese made more mistakes than Texas State did.
Regardless, I know that there is a kind of tradition in polls where if two teams have the same record or close and one won head to head the one that won is ranked higher most of the time. But it should be noted that most objective power rating systems also have McNeese rated higher than Texas State. If you go to http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm you'll see that, as of December 13, McNeese was rated higher than Texas State by 34 of the 37 power ratings systems listed. Some of those power rating systems just look at who teams beat and who they lost to. Others also consider how much they won and lost by. But the overwhelming majority of them calculated McNeese's overall performance as more impressive than Texas State's even though Texas State beat McNeese head to head.
And that's not a self-evidently impossible situation. I don't think anybody needs to think too long or hard to realize that the best team does not always win.
Ordinarily, I'd agree that an 18-point lead is a solid indication of supremacy, but when the team trailing fumbles twice inside their opponents five-yard line prior to that 18-point lead, I wouldn't exactly all it a "solid beating."
I'd call that fortuitous bounces of the ball. But for those fumbles, it's a 6-point game heading into the fourth and you got outscored 22-7 in the fourth...
Historically, McNeese is a second half and fourth quarter team. You can use the "garbage time" argument all you want, but it just doesn't fly...
A solid beating is one where you've got your foot firmly on your opponents neck and all you have to do is twist ever-so-slightly....
You can't say that about that particular game.
Again, you won. Again, you got the Auto-bid. But "kick our asses" you did not....
Glad to see that Colgate was not blown out of the poll altogether. Despite what some have said, we did have a pretty decent season.
A note on this kind of thing: The final regular season AP, ESPN Coaches, and Harris Polls all have Georgia Tech ranked higher than Virginia Tech even though Virginia Tech beat Georgia Tech head to head and went on to win the ACC title. Georgia Tech is also rated higher by the majority of power rating systems at http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm . The records are similar; with Georgia Tech at 9-3 and Virginia Tech at 9-4.
Then there's the Texas and Oklahoma thing. Texas didn't win the Big 12 championship; but that's almost certainly only because the Big 12 used the BCS rankings to decide who would be in the league championship game.