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knucklehead
November 9th, 2011, 07:56 AM
After watching MAC football last night and last week and seeing the lack of defense, I had to ask a hypothetical question. Where would some of the top FCS teams be in the standings if they were in the MAC right now?

Here are the standings for reference.

STANDINGS


Mid-American - East

Ohio 3-2 6-3

Miami (OH) 3-2 4-5

Temple 3-3 5-4

Kent State 2-3 3-6

Bowling Green 2-4 4-6

Buffalo 1-4 2-7

Akron 0-5 1-8


Mid-American - West


Northern Illinois 5-1 7-3

Toledo 5-1 6-4

Ball State 4-2 6-4

Eastern Michigan 3-2 5-4

Western Michigan 3-3 5-5

Central Michigan 2-4 3-7

WrenFGun
November 9th, 2011, 08:44 AM
Toledo is far better than anything I've seen in the FCS (in terms of teams UNH has played) this season.

SpeedkingATL
November 9th, 2011, 08:51 AM
App would be mid-pack at best this year below Temple in the East and Toledo in the West. I would rank them below Ball State but Pete Lembo couldn't beat App at Elon and I don't see that changing in the MAC.

NoDak 4 Ever
November 9th, 2011, 08:56 AM
NDSU in the last 5 years has beaten 2 MAC teams with worse teams than they have now. They would be very competitive.

Professor Chaos
November 9th, 2011, 08:58 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

MID-AMERICAN (A) = 63.53 63.11 ( 11) TEAMS= 13 63.29 ( 11)
College Football 2011 through games of November 5 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.55 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
41 North Dakota State AA = 75.90 9 0 54.67( 155) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.03 26 | 71.75 59
53 Toledo A = 73.28 5 4 69.03( 63) 0 1 | 0 1 | 69.29 66 | 77.22 37
58 Temple A = 71.18 5 4 63.25( 110) 0 0 | 0 1 | 64.85 86 | 78.80 32
66 Northern Illinois A = 69.86 6 3 64.64( 105) 0 0 | 0 1 | 69.09 67 | 69.75 67
74 Western Michigan A = 68.21 5 4 65.20( 97) 0 0 | 0 1 | 67.99 71 | 67.53 78
76 Ohio University A = 67.56 6 3 59.65( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.38 85 | 68.97 72
95 Ball State A = 63.50 6 4 66.27( 90) 0 1 | 0 1 | 67.15 75 | 59.19 117
96 Miami-Ohio A = 63.46 4 5 64.76( 101) 0 0 | 0 2 | 61.79 103 | 64.27 89
99 Bowling Green A = 63.35 4 5 64.80( 100) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.18 101 | 63.64 94
108 Eastern Michigan A = 61.32 5 4 61.77( 117) 0 0 | 0 2 | 65.51 84 | 56.40 131
129 Buffalo A = 57.87 2 7 67.64( 78) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.64 126 | 56.20 132
131 Kent State A = 57.67 3 6 67.03( 82) 0 1 | 0 2 | 59.68 117 | 54.75 145
133 Central Michigan A = 57.48 3 7 64.42( 106) 0 0 | 0 1 | 59.10 123 | 54.95 143
189 Akron A = 45.67 1 8 64.73( 102) 0 0 | 0 1 | 44.75 195 | 45.68 183



Now if only the games were played on a computer... :D

Unbison
November 9th, 2011, 09:07 AM
As I was gonna say ndsu would dominate the mac

knucklehead
November 9th, 2011, 09:08 AM
Liberty Beat Ball State last year and almost beat Toledo a few years back. I think LU could be Mid pack as well.

darell1976
November 9th, 2011, 09:17 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

MID-AMERICAN (A) = 63.53 63.11 ( 11) TEAMS= 13 63.29 ( 11)
College Football 2011 through games of November 5 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.55 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
41 North Dakota State AA = 75.90 9 0 54.67( 155) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.03 26 | 71.75 59
53 Toledo A = 73.28 5 4 69.03( 63) 0 1 | 0 1 | 69.29 66 | 77.22 37
58 Temple A = 71.18 5 4 63.25( 110) 0 0 | 0 1 | 64.85 86 | 78.80 32
66 Northern Illinois A = 69.86 6 3 64.64( 105) 0 0 | 0 1 | 69.09 67 | 69.75 67
74 Western Michigan A = 68.21 5 4 65.20( 97) 0 0 | 0 1 | 67.99 71 | 67.53 78
76 Ohio University A = 67.56 6 3 59.65( 129) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.38 85 | 68.97 72
95 Ball State A = 63.50 6 4 66.27( 90) 0 1 | 0 1 | 67.15 75 | 59.19 117
96 Miami-Ohio A = 63.46 4 5 64.76( 101) 0 0 | 0 2 | 61.79 103 | 64.27 89
99 Bowling Green A = 63.35 4 5 64.80( 100) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.18 101 | 63.64 94
108 Eastern Michigan A = 61.32 5 4 61.77( 117) 0 0 | 0 2 | 65.51 84 | 56.40 131
129 Buffalo A = 57.87 2 7 67.64( 78) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.64 126 | 56.20 132
131 Kent State A = 57.67 3 6 67.03( 82) 0 1 | 0 2 | 59.68 117 | 54.75 145
133 Central Michigan A = 57.48 3 7 64.42( 106) 0 0 | 0 1 | 59.10 123 | 54.95 143
189 Akron A = 45.67 1 8 64.73( 102) 0 0 | 0 1 | 44.75 195 | 45.68 183



Now if only the games were played on a computer... :D

According to this UND (#139)is just below CMU but well above Akron.

bluehenbillk
November 9th, 2011, 09:25 AM
The MAC is actually much better this year. Toledo, NIU, Ohio & Temple are all good teams.

BisonFan02
November 9th, 2011, 10:16 AM
NDSU would have success in the east this year (Minnesota beat Miami (OH)), but it would be tougher sledding in the West.

nwFL Griz
November 9th, 2011, 12:28 PM
I had a long post about division envy written up, about you guys always trying to compare your teams to what you perceive to be weaker FBS conferences...but decided not to post.

The fact is the MAC is 10-0 against FCS teams this year. And while FCS teams can enjoy single game successes over FBS teams, it is crazy to think an FCS team could sustain that for a whole season. (As they are right now, ie 63 schollys vs. 85)

Why not just enjoy the awesomeness that is the run-up to, and the event that is the FCS playoffs?

NoDak 4 Ever
November 9th, 2011, 12:32 PM
I had a long post about division envy written up, about you guys always trying to compare your teams to what you perceive to be weaker FBS conferences...but decided not to post.

The fact is the MAC is 10-0 against FCS teams this year. And while FCS teams can enjoy single game successes over FBS teams, it is crazy to think an FCS team could sustain that for a whole season. (As they are right now, ie 63 schollys vs. 85)

Why not just enjoy the awesomeness that is the run-up to, and the event that is the FCS playoffs?


Since transitioning, NDSU is 5-3 vs FBS teams. That's 2-0 against the Mac, 2-1 Against the BIG, and 1-1 Against the Big 12.

nwFL Griz
November 10th, 2011, 07:04 AM
Since transitioning, NDSU is 5-3 vs FBS teams. That's 2-0 against the Mac, 2-1 Against the BIG, and 1-1 Against the Big 12.

You should be proud of that, enjoy it. But realize what it means in the bigger picture.

The combined record of the teams you have beaten is 19-40. Again, one game scenarios are one thing, playing an entire schedule is quite another.

UNH Fanboi
November 10th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Liberty Beat Ball State last year and almost beat Toledo a few years back. I think LU could be Mid pack as well.

Beating Ball State in a down year does not mean that Liberty could be a midIpack MAC team. Liberty would win a game or two at best and be blown out by the top teams. Liberty would struggle to be a mid-pack team in several FCS conferences.

UNIFanSince1983
November 10th, 2011, 07:55 AM
I had a long post about division envy written up, about you guys always trying to compare your teams to what you perceive to be weaker FBS conferences...but decided not to post.

The fact is the MAC is 10-0 against FCS teams this year. And while FCS teams can enjoy single game successes over FBS teams, it is crazy to think an FCS team could sustain that for a whole season. (As they are right now, ie 63 schollys vs. 85)

Why not just enjoy the awesomeness that is the run-up to, and the event that is the FCS playoffs?

This is exactly right. In a one game situation it is "Any Given Saturday". Week in week out they just couldn't compete.

Same as if Boise were to play in the SEC. Sure Boise could beat a team in a one game situation, but the weekly grind of playing SEC teams every week would wear them down, and they would probably just middle or bottom of the pack in the SEC.

Gil Dobie
November 10th, 2011, 07:56 AM
You should be proud of that, enjoy it. But realize what it means in the bigger picture.

The combined record of the teams you have beaten is 19-40. Again, one game scenarios are one thing, playing an entire schedule is quite another.

Central Michigan was a blowout win for the Bison, the same team that won the MAC and lost to Purdue by a FG in their bowl game.
NDSU would be competitive in the MAC, maybe .500 or a little above.

NoDak 4 Ever
November 10th, 2011, 08:17 AM
Central Michigan was a blowout win for the Bison, the same team that won the MAC and lost to Purdue by a FG in their bowl game.
NDSU would be competitive in the MAC, maybe .500 or a little above.

The thing that has always held NDSU back is the scholarship limits. They had way more money than DII limits would let them spend so they went FCS and fully funded immediately. Can you imagine what they could do with 22 more?

The Eagle's Cliff
November 10th, 2011, 08:23 AM
I had a long post about division envy written up, about you guys always trying to compare your teams to what you perceive to be weaker FBS conferences...but decided not to post.

The fact is the MAC is 10-0 against FCS teams this year. And while FCS teams can enjoy single game successes over FBS teams, it is crazy to think an FCS team could sustain that for a whole season. (As they are right now, ie 63 schollys vs. 85)

Why not just enjoy the awesomeness that is the run-up to, and the event that is the FCS playoffs?

Absolutely right! Those extra 22 schollies matter. While the MAC, Sunbelt, MW, and WAC are weak FBS Conferences, many of the teams in those conferences would be (and were) FCS powerhouses.

I understand how NDSU fans might think differently. The extra schollies might get you a few players who otherwise go to Minnesota or a directional Michigan, in which case you're not missing much.

GoBlue06
November 10th, 2011, 08:41 AM
Absolutely right! Those extra 22 schollies matter. While the MAC, Sunbelt, MW, and WAC are weak FBS Conferences, many of the teams in those conferences would be (and were) FCS powerhouses.

I understand how NDSU fans might think differently. The extra schollies might get you a few players who otherwise go to Minnesota or a directional Michigan, in which case you're not missing much.

lets not go THAT far....most of them were NOT powerhouses but rather teams that were either good or decent every year...non of them completely dominated FCS play

UNIFanSince1983
November 10th, 2011, 08:42 AM
lets not go THAT far....most of them were NOT powerhouses but rather teams that were either good or decent every year...non of them completely dominated FCS play

Marshall was pretty dominant for a while...

NoDak 4 Ever
November 10th, 2011, 08:47 AM
Absolutely right! Those extra 22 schollies matter. While the MAC, Sunbelt, MW, and WAC are weak FBS Conferences, many of the teams in those conferences would be (and were) FCS powerhouses.

I understand how NDSU fans might think differently. The extra schollies might get you a few players who otherwise go to Minnesota or a directional Michigan, in which case you're not missing much.

That really has been my point all along. This is kind of a fantasy-chain thread. What if, what if, what if. Truth be told, I always knew that NDSU had the chops to go up but there is absolutely nothing to be gained at the top level, as we see it has become a power conference and the rest scrounging for scraps.

GaSouthern
November 10th, 2011, 09:52 AM
I think GSU could compete and be a mid level team.

nwFL Griz
November 10th, 2011, 10:18 AM
That really has been my point all along. This is kind of a fantasy-chain thread. What if, what if, what if. Truth be told, I always knew that NDSU had the chops to go up but there is absolutely nothing to be gained at the top level, as we see it has become a power conference and the rest scrounging for scraps.

Well said. That's part of why I posted...because I don't understand this constant need to compare to FBS. There's a reason there are two subdivisions.

UNIFanSince1983
November 10th, 2011, 10:23 AM
I think the better question shouldn't have been where you would be in the MAC, but would you prefer to be in the MAC. Because realistically would you rather win the MAC and play in the Motor City Bowl or be where you are in FCS knowing year in and year out you could be a National Champion?

Engineer86
November 12th, 2011, 07:55 AM
I think the better question shouldn't have been where you would be in the MAC, but would you prefer to be in the MAC. Because realistically would you rather win the MAC and play in the Motor City Bowl or be where you are in FCS knowing year in and year out you could be a National Champion?

FCS absolutely no question to me.

Bison Fan in NW MN
November 12th, 2011, 09:49 AM
NDSU and UNI would be very competitive in the MAC now with 63 schollies. With 85, they both would be at the top.

Wildcat80
November 12th, 2011, 11:42 AM
Toledo is far better than anything I've seen in the FCS (in terms of teams UNH has played) this season.

Agree! UNH would be behind Toledo, Temple, NI, Ohio.......etc THIS year. There was a big physical difference with Toledo's speed & size.

DSUrocks07
November 13th, 2011, 08:18 AM
Marshall was pretty dominant for a while...

And that dominance continued for a few years at the FBS level as well. Then they hit the wall have haven't really been HERD from since.