AGS Top 25 Week 8 Results

[AGSPoll]

Top 25 October-24-2011


1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2635 81
2 North Dakota State Bison 2473 13
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 2464 9
4 Montana State Bobcats 2337 2
5 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2205 1
6 Maine Black Bears 2124
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1934
8 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1907
9 James Madison Dukes 1704
10 Towson Tigers 1647
11 Wofford Terriers 1612
12 Montana Grizzlies 1592
13 New Hampshire Wildcats 1545
14 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1170
15 Old Dominion Monarchs 1047
16 Liberty Flames 900
17 Harvard Crimson 629
18 Illinois State Redbirds 531
19 Indiana State Sycamores 530
20 South Dakota Coyotes 506
21 Alabama State Hornets 437
22 Chattanooga Mocs 432
23 Cal Poly Mustangs 350
24 William & Mary Tribe 278
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 233

Most Significant Win:Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss:Wofford Terriers


26 Furman Paladins 218
27 Central Arkansas Bears 217
28 Brown Bears 168
29 Albany Great Danes 128
30 Richmond Spiders 127
31 Norfolk State Spartans 123
32 Jackson State Tigers 100
33 Eastern Washington Eagles 69
34 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 63
35 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 42
36 Samford Bulldogs 39
37 Georgetown Hoyas 26
38 Portland State Vikings 26
39 Southern Illinois Salukis 25
40 Youngstown State Penguins 24

[Twentysix]

Whoever is voting for southern illinois must have a screw loose. 2-5 with 2 crap wins.

Overall I like the poll. It looks alot like my ballot. :D

[jmufan999]

Wow. Towson is still underrated. They should be ahead of JMU at this point. 4-0 against the AGS Top 25. Yes, they won on a miracle at ODU. But JMU had several miracles in 2008. That's part of having a great season, the ball has to bounce your way. I'm not outraged at these results, just think that many are not noticing Towson, and they should be.

[FargoBison]

NDSU jumps UNI, interesting...

[Twentysix]

I have JMU at 12 and towson at 9.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

My stab at week 8, M & N's are looking good

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Brown Bears
22: Furman Paladins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: William & Mary Tribe

[asknoquarter21]

Top 25 October-24-2011


1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2635 81
2 North Dakota State Bison 2473 13
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 2464 9
4 Montana State Bobcats 2337 2

I think every credible poll should have those 4 teams in the top 4
5 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2205 1
6 Maine Black Bears 2124
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1934
8 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1907
9 James Madison Dukes 1704
10 Towson Tigers 1647
11 Wofford Terriers 1612

I think Wofford is a little low, but understandable after the loss. I think these should be the next 7 teams regardless of order.
12 Montana Grizzlies 1592
13 New Hampshire Wildcats 1545
14 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1170
15 Old Dominion Monarchs 1047
16 Liberty Flames 900
17 Harvard Crimson 629

I agree with all of this as well

18 Illinois State Redbirds 531
19 Indiana State Sycamores 530
20 South Dakota Coyotes 506
21 Alabama State Hornets 437
22 Chattanooga Mocs 432
23 Cal Poly Mustangs 350
24 William & Mary Tribe 278
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 233

Poor effort. I think Furman, UCA, Brown and Albany all deserved to be in here this week over some name recognition 4 loss teams.

Most Significant Win:Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss:Wofford Terriers


26 Furman Paladins 218
27 Central Arkansas Bears 217
28 Brown Bears 168
29 Albany Great Danes 128
30 Richmond Spiders 127
31 Norfolk State Spartans 123
32 Jackson State Tigers 100
33 Eastern Washington Eagles 69
34 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 63
35 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 42
36 Samford Bulldogs 39
37 Georgetown Hoyas 26
38 Portland State Vikings 26
39 Southern Illinois Salukis 25
40 Youngstown State Penguins 24

Decent poll

[Engineer86]

Still can't put the Tribe and the Hens out of their misery

[Twentysix]

My stab at week 8

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Brown Bears
22: Furman Paladins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: William & Mary Tribe

For real? I just found 22 of UND's 63 points...

[FargoBison]

My stab at week 8

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux


xshakingmadxxshakingmadxxshakingmadxxshakingmadx:p umpuke::pumpuke::pumpuke:

[superman7515]

#13 to #14 drops 370 points, then #16 to #17 drops another 271. Not much middle ground there, it's the top 13 teams and then everyone else.

[Twentysix]

Last week the poll committe asked me if mistakenly put mcneese at 25. And they dont ask you if UND at #4 was an accident? xnonono2x

[crusader11]

For real? I just found 22 of UND's 63 points...

Yup. The moderators should have caught that error. I expect more from a Lehigh guy.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

good i posted..it...i'll send the commish a letter..i've been expremely careful no do it it,...

FYI, i'll be in Fargo and Grand Forks in two weeks!

[asknoquarter21]

My stab at week 8, M & N's are looking good

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Brown Bears
22: Furman Paladins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: William & Mary Tribe

xconfusedx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

My stab at week 8

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Brown Bears
22: Furman Paladins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: William & Mary Tribe

I don't believe we heard on your #4 vote and your vote may have been swept out at the last minute because of that. I pm'd you yesterday on it.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I don't believe we heard on your #4 vote and your vote may have been swept out at the last minute because of that. I pm'd you yesterday on it.

I received a PM at 2:24 AM this morning....even so my vote should not have been swept out entirely!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yup. The moderators should have caught that error. I expect more from a Lehigh guy.

We did and we pm'd. some of the guys need to check the pm's.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Top 25 October-24-2011

24 William & Mary Tribe 278
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 233

26 Furman Paladins 218
27 Central Arkansas Bears 217


There must be some mistake... Shouldn't Furman be 24 and UCA be 25?

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Towson Tigers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Liberty Flames
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

I like my poll. Im sure people who are fans of these teams probably don't :p.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Look on the bright side, people. I almost put Morehead State as my No. 4 team in the country! xlolx

(PS. Thanks, AGSPoll.)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I received a PM at 2:24 AM this morning....even so my vote should not have been swept out entirely!

Yeah that's when it was noticed. The EST vs. MST may cause a problem but we could have changed it until noon your time today.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yeah that's when it was noticed. The EST vs. MST may cause a problem but we could have changed it until noon your time today.

Even so i hope the ballet was included in the poll. Otherwise, the commish is ulimately making decisions for the members which is a serious, serious problem.

[DJKyR0]

Crap, my top 5 were Georgia State, Northern Illinois, North Dakota State, Minot State, and Lafayette U.

[344Johnson]

My stab at week 8, M & N's are looking good

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Brown Bears
22: Furman Paladins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: William & Mary Tribe

Hmmm...interesting choice. A 4-3 team ranked rather high.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Hmmm...interesting choice. A 4-3 team ranked rather high.

I'm glad that's the only complaint people have. Makes me think my poll was pretty good.....

[FargoBison]

I'm glad that's the only complaint people have. Makes me think my poll was pretty good.....

Well Illinois State did absolutely destroy South Dakota a few weeks ago, you may want to look into that decision. They also beat Indiana State last Saturday.

[andy7171]

Wow. Towson is still underrated. They should be ahead of JMU at this point. 4-0 against the AGS Top 25. Yes, they won on a miracle at ODU. But JMU had several miracles in 2008. That's part of having a great season, the ball has to bounce your way. I'm not outraged at these results, just think that many are not noticing Towson, and they should be.

Meh. The rest of the season will tell. Only Wofford lost in the top 10, so I wasn't expecting a major jump. I'll take a #10 ranking going into Delaware week.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I think a lot of people are being pretty generous to Delaware and W&M at this point. I don't have the hens ranked this week, but maybe if we beat Towson (how weird is it to say if instead of when when talking about beating Towson...)

My poll:
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Towson Tigers
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: James Madison Dukes
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Liberty Flames
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Brown Bears
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Norfolk State Spartans

[superman7515]

Even so i hope the ballet was included in the poll. Otherwise, the commish is ulimately making decisions for the members which is a serious, serious problem.

So let's run this back...
You screwed up.
Then when someone pointed it out, you got mad that no one told you that you screwed up.
Then when someone pointed out that they did tell you that you screwed up, you got mad that you weren't given enough time.
Then when they pointed out they gave you ten hours to type five words, "Oops, I meant the Bison", you get mad that you weren't included and given a participation trophy anyway.

This is why parents need to stop lying to their kids and telling them that they're special and can be anything they want in life as their putting on the bicycle helmet to send them on the short bus.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

So let's run this back...
You screwed up.
Then when someone pointed it out, you got mad that no one told you that you screwed up.
Then when someone pointed out that they did tell you that you screwed up, you got mad that you weren't given enough time.
Then when they pointed out they gave you ten hours to type five words, "Oops, I meant the Bison", you get mad that you weren't included and given a participation trophy anyway.

This is why parents need to stop lying to their kids and telling them that they're special and can be anything they want in life as their putting on the bicycle helmet to send them on the short bus.

I was happy that someone pointed it out, so you're wrong there...
Because the person lied and said I was notified yesterday which is clearly not the case

A poll should not be eliminated because the operators do not agree. Otherwise, that would completely undermine the permise of asking people for their opinion.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Even so i hope the ballet was included in the poll. Otherwise, the commish is ulimately making decisions for the members which is a serious, serious problem.

Just went and looked and it was counted. This is not an easy task and if we don't have the two way street with the voter it makes it a whole lot tougher.

FWIW I do believe in voters having their say and I do not like someone/anyone putting their opinion on things over the voters if they have been contacted and respond that they did consider what was brought up to them and they want to stay with their ballot.

It's when I know that a guy doesn't want what he put on the ballot but can't get confirmation that it was a slip up is the problem. I sit here and know that you don't want that, I know you want NDSU, but I can't change it without your approval because that also screams lack of integrity to just change someone's ballot...even if I know.

So what would you do if that was the rock & hard place you were sitting at?

Over 100 ballots, and not everything is caught every time and I got guys like Twentysix griping that he was asked a question last week on one that was caught.

[HensRock]

There must be some mistake...

Yes, there is a mistake. Lehigh should be at about 15, right between the only two teams on this list that they've played. Behind the #13 that beat them at Goodman and in front of the #16 who is their "signature" win this season.

[Twentysix]

Just went and looked and it was counted. This is not an easy task and if we don't have the two way street with the voter it makes it a whole lot tougher.

FWIW I do believe in voters having their say and I do not like someone/anyone putting their opinion on things over the voters if they have been contacted and respond that they did consider what was brought up to them and they want to stay with their ballot.

It's when I know that a guy doesn't want what he put on the ballot but can't get confirmation that it was a slip up is the problem. I sit here and know that you don't want that, I know you want NDSU, but I can't change it without your approval because that also screams lack of integrity to just change someone's ballot...even if I know.

So what would you do if that was the rock & hard place you were sitting at?

Over 100 ballots, and not everything is caught every time and I got guys like Twentysix griping that he was asked a question last week on one that was caught.

Aww Im not mad ursus.

I was mad when I thought you asked me about my #25 last week, and didnt ask him about his #4 vote this week.

Now that I know he failed. I couldnt be mad at you. <3

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I was happy that someone pointed it out, so you're wrong there...
Because the person lied and said I was notified yesterday which is clearly not the case

A poll should not be eliminated because the operators do not agree. Otherwise, that would completely undermine the permise of asking people for their opinion.

It was yesterday to me slick. Just because it ended early today with it technically being very late doesn't mean I was trying to lie about it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Aww Im not mad ursus.

I was mad when I thought you asked me about my #25 last week, and didnt ask him about his #4 vote this week.

Now that I know he failed. I couldnt be mad at you. <3

Gotcha, I love you 26, and I hate it when we fight like this.xlolx

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Aww Im not mad ursus.

I was mad when I thought you asked me about my #25 last week, and didnt ask him about his #4 vote this week.

Now that I know he failed. I couldnt be mad at you. <3

I was asked about something a long those lines last week as well. They questioned why I had two teams in a particular order which po'd me to say the least. The funny part is those teams position in this weeks poll are in the the same order i had them in last week!

I hope they sent out a bunch of pm's this week! Frickin Joke!!!

[Engineer86]

Yes, there is a mistake. Lehigh should be at about 15, right between the only two teams on this list that they've played. Behind the #13 that beat them at Goodman and in front of the #16 who is their "signature" win this season.

Surprise surprise, a UD fan taking another shot a Lehigh. Maybe if you would put us on the schedule rather that your annual cupcake game, WCU, you might still have a real chance at playoffs, but we won't know now.

[MSUBobcat]

I was asked about something a long those lines last week as well. They questioned why I had two teams in a particular order which po'd me to say the least. The funny part is those teams position in this weeks poll are in the the same order i had them in last week!

I hope they sent out a bunch of pm's this week! Frickin Joke!!!

There is an easy solution to your aggravation. You could not submit a poll, and thus they would have nothing to pm you about. And you also don't have to remember which North Dakota team is a 4-3 team transitioning to DI and an undefeated 7-0 full fledged D-I team.

[molly]

I don't understand why anyone is upset at being asked about their ballot. There's no harm in checking with someone to make sure they didn't make a mistake. Don't we all agree that more questions should be asked about the ballots submitted in the Coach's poll since that truly is a "frickin joke"?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I don't understand why anyone is upset at being asked about their ballot. There's no harm in checking with someone to make sure they didn't make a mistake. Don't we all agree that more questions should be asked about the ballots submitted in the Coach's poll since that truly is a "frickin joke"?

Apparent egregious errors I agree. However, something that seems very objective, and obviosuly is, shouldn't be. Why should i have to explain myself in that situation? If i didn't respond would last weeks ballot have been tossed out?

I'm willing to take responsibility for the screwup this week.

[HensRock]

Surprise surprise, a UD fan taking another shot a Lehigh. Maybe if you would put us on the schedule rather that your annual cupcake game, WCU, you might still have a real chance at playoffs, but we won't know now.

Please tell me how you justify Lehigh ranked above UNH? Forget that I'm a Hen fan and your ad hominem comebacks.
Personally, I would welcome Lehigh on our schedule in place of WCUPA and so would 99.9% of Hen fans.

[Doc QB]

Yes, there is a mistake. Lehigh should be at about 15, right between the only two teams on this list that they've played. Behind the #13 that beat them at Goodman and in front of the #16 who is their "signature" win this season.

Expected this from someone, another shot at our strength of schedule. The above may be true, I would agree, but this does get rather old. Lehigh is playing well, beating the snot out of who they are supposed to beat, beat a ranked Liberty squad, and lost to a UNH team in OT that is very solid. They've done just about everything expected of them.

Who is Delaware's signature win to keep them alive in the poll? ODU? Sure, but aside from that, you have not taken care of business week in, week out.

That being said, another one and out in the playoffs gives posters such as this all the ammo necessary for similar comments for seasons to come. A playoff win like last year, maybe a round deeper this year would give us some more juice. Time will tell, and I am optimistic.

[ValleyChamp]

I think a lot of people are being pretty generous to Delaware and W&M at this point. I don't have the hens ranked this week, but maybe if we beat Towson (how weird is it to say if instead of when when talking about beating Towson...)

My poll:
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Towson Tigers
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: James Madison Dukes
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Liberty Flames
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Brown Bears
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Norfolk State Spartans

lol

[Gil Dobie]

Look on the bright side, people. I almost put Morehead State as my No. 4 team in the country! xlolx

(PS. Thanks, AGSPoll.)

Not Moorhead St in Minnesota I hope ;)

[FargoBison]

Why not change UND and USD to the University of North Dakota and the University of South Dakota in the drop downs? If we could differentiate a bit from these schools with similar names it might help limit some of the mistakes.

[HensRock]

the biggerst question is what is a lowly Delaware, with 4 losses, even doing in the top 25.

Shouldn't they be ranked at about #40?

#40 might be a little harsh, but I agree that UD should not be in the Top 25. (even though they have beat a higher-ranked team in it than Lehigh has...<cough><cough>)

But Why do all Lehigh fans deflect the issue toward UD instead of addressing the inconsistency between Lehigh and UNH?
Lehigh has played 2 teams from this Top 25 list - neither of which is in the Top 10 - and is 1-1 against them. Why does Lehigh deserve to be in the Top 10?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

#40 might be a little harsh, but I agree that UD should not be in the Top 25. (even though they have beat a higher-ranked team in it than Lehigh has...<cough><cough>)

But Why do all Lehigh fans deflect the issue toward UD instead of addressing the inconsistency between Lehigh and UNH?
Lehigh has played 2 teams from this Top 25 list - neither of which is in the Top 10 - and is 1-1 against them. Why does Lehigh deserve to be in the Top 10?

You do realize that 7/10ths of the current AGS poll have played 2 Top 25 teams?

[UIWWildthing]

Top 10? TOP 10?? Someone let me sleep I'm enjoying this dream season

[jmufan999]

I like that they check with us after voting. I made a mistake that they caught yesterday and I changed it. It's pretty cool, actually.

[BisonFan02]

2 North Dakota State Bison 2473 13
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 2464 9


http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/119/924/sweetjesus.jpg?1304464078

:D

[HailSzczur]

If you would have told me that the CAA would have 3 teams in the top 10, and UNH, Richmond, W&M, Delaware, and Nova weren't one of them I would have told you that you were crazy. Thats why I love this game

[chattownmocs]

Why was I not Pm'd and asked whether I wanted Chattanooga higher. I mean clearly I wanted them higher than 15!!!

[crusader11]

very simple

UNH won

Call doesn't matter.

[Pard4Life]

I have Furman, Brown, Norfolk State in lieu of Cal Poly, Chatty, and Alabama State. I felt odd putting Harvard at 16 but judging by the poll it's average... that 16-15 tier is a mess!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't understand why anyone is upset at being asked about their ballot. There's no harm in checking with someone to make sure they didn't make a mistake. Don't we all agree that more questions should be asked about the ballots submitted in the Coach's poll since that truly is a "frickin joke"?

Glad you see that molly. Nobody doing the poll is trying to offend by asking anyone their reasoning on a particular matter. It helps us understand the thinking and can help us see that we may have a problem with the way we are looking at things. It's not like the pm's are sent to chastise anyone on a vote it's to have a discussion and get information.

If anyone is offended by that then I really can't help them out.

[chattownmocs]

My expert analysis.

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Towson Tigers
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Wofford Terriers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Alabama State Hornets
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Furman Paladins
20: Liberty Flames
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Richmond Spiders
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

[bjtheflamesfan]

the bigger question is what's up with those 4 losses by Delaware

will Delaware end up with a less than .500 season this year?

regarding the UNH v. Lehigh ranking, I guess you forgot to read this post:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?97783-AGS-Top-25-Week-8-Results&p=1705223&viewfull=1#post1705223

furthermore, lets take a look at what UNH has done since the Lehigh game:

barely beat unranked Richmond and unranked Holy Cross by 2 and 7 points. Beat lowly Villanova.
Get killed by 4-loss W&M and barely beat Massachusetts by 6 points.....

oops!

Why the massive hard on for Delaware and Wofford man? I mean for cryin out loud act like youve been here before or something...

[Engineer86]

Please tell me how you justify Lehigh ranked above UNH? Forget that I'm a Hen fan and your ad hominem comebacks.
Personally, I would welcome Lehigh on our schedule in place of WCUPA and so would 99.9% of Hen fans.

Teams change over the season and the polls should reflect this. You should not base any ranking based on single games or slotting teams. Much less a single game that was in OT with a huge momentum swing on an absolutely ridiculous call. Let's face it teams are fairly close in talent and the polls to reward the concept of just win. Thank god this level has the playoffs to make it all mute. That said, why focus on who should up one or down one. They both have a lot of winning to do to make sure they are in. In my view LU must win out and UNH will be at risk with more than one more loss.

I have a ton of respect for DU and CAA, just asking for a little in return. One of the greatest coaching moves I ever saw was Tubby at Lehigh in 1982' down 19-17 with 10 secs left he kicks a 30yd fg. Bad snap and Delaware scrambles for an incomplete pass. Huge upset for a mediocre Lehigh team over a #2 ranked Delaware, Nope, it was third down. Easy FG and a 20-19 win for DU

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Why not change UND and USD to the University of North Dakota and the University of South Dakota in the drop downs? If we could differentiate a bit from these schools with similar names it might help limit some of the mistakes.

A good idea FB and if I can get it done this week I will try to do so. I really thought having the team names listed would help that out and there have been many fewer mistakes in recent weeks and this one WAS caught just not corrected.

[HensRock]

the bigger question is what's up with those 4 losses by Delaware



Yes, Delaware is 4-4 (with twice as many Top 25 Wins as Lehigh). We've established that.
How has Lehigh performed "much better" than UNH while playing unranked teams while UNH has faced and beaten several ranked teams?

[StrikeJMU]

No JMU?


My expert analysis.

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Towson Tigers
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Wofford Terriers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: Old Dominion Monarchs
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Alabama State Hornets
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Furman Paladins
20: Liberty Flames
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Richmond Spiders
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

[chattownmocs]

No JMU?

Nope.

[HensRock]

Hens Rock, maybe this will help you:

Record agaisnt FBS/ranked/transitional teams

Lehigh 1-1
UNH 1-2

oops!

And Maybe this will help you..

UNH 48
LU 41
AT Goodman.

Oops!

[StrikeJMU]

Nope.

Thats retarded.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Yes TheFan Im asking that...all you do is come around and slam on Delaware and Wofford (who I do know both lost this weekend and made sure their rankings were affected accordingly) but if anyone questions Lehigh you stonewall and hide behind your little "oops" like youre just the wittiest person on the planet...as I said a couple weeks ago, you get no respect because you have not EARNED that respect

[Doc QB]

Yes, Delaware is 4-4 (with twice as many Top 25 Wins as Lehigh). We've established that. How has Lehigh performed "much better" than UNH while playing unranked teams while UNH has faced and beaten several ranked teams?

HensRock, I appreciate you wanting to play us rather playing annually than West Chester. It helps our strength of schedule to have CAA teams as our OCC, given the historically marginal national acclaim our league generates. Playing UNH and 'Nova last year was a good example of where I'd like us to be, as a 9 and 2 record with loses to two perennial CAA contenders and a PL championship is sometimes best we can do (short of beating them, obviously) to to earn respect in polls, chatrooms, blogs, news, etc.

That being said, even though I love our ranking, realize fully our program's and scheduling 'shortcomings', and since we lost head to head to UNH, would agree they should probably be ahead of us. People have different interpretations of each team's resume, and it seems to be reflected in the AGS poll.

[HensRock]

Hens Rock, maybe this will help you:

Record agaisnt FBS/ranked/transitional teams

Lehigh 1-1
UNH 2-2
oops!

Fixed it for you.
Oops!

[HensRock]

HensRock, I appreciate you wanting to play us rather playing annually than West Chester. It helps our strength of schedule to have CAA teams as our OCC, given the historically marginal national acclaim our league generates. Playing UNH and 'Nova last year was a good example of where I'd like us to be, as a 9 and 2 record with loses to two perennial CAA contenders and a PL championship is sometimes best we can do (short of beating them, obviously) to to earn respect in polls, chatrooms, blogs, news, etc.

That being said, even though I love our ranking, realize fully our program's and scheduling 'shortcomings', and since we lost head to head to UNH, would agree they should probably be ahead of us. People have different interpretations of each team's resume, and it seems to be reflected in the AGS poll.

Doc, Thank you for your intelligent and level-headed reply.
Our contract with West Chester expires either this year or next and I have heard that this time it is not being renewed. Hopefully we will see Lehigh on the schedule soon.
The truth is that I just like messing with The Fan, because he's so easy to tweak - and since UD just cr@pped the bed with regard to the playoffs, I got nothin' better to do. ;)

[bjtheflamesfan]

Lehigh (48-41 W) Thats the big one
UMass *FBS transitional* (27-21 W)
William and Mary (10-24 L)

[crusader11]

so henrock, which currently ranked teams are the 2 that you claimed UNH beat?

Although Richmond is not currently ranked, they were a top 10 team when UNH beat them. The ranking of the team at the time of the game is what matters, not the current ranking.

So, I'll answer for him: Lehigh and Richmond.

[Reign of Terrier]

And Maybe this will help you..

UNH 48
LU 41
AT Goodman.

Oops!

I love how he throws in FBS games to make UNH look bad just because Lehigh doesn't play FBS games

[bjtheflamesfan]

bjtheflames,

Wofford lost to an unranked team this weekend and is now ranked 11/12 in the AGS/TSN polls

Delaware lost to an unranked team this weekend, has four losses and should be ranked around #40

I hope this helps

To be frank it doesnt really because I kinda already knew that (as I said, their rankings were affected accordingly in my poll)

[Lehigh Football Nation]

#40 might be a little harsh, but I agree that UD should not be in the Top 25. (even though they have beat a higher-ranked team in it than Lehigh has...<cough><cough>)

But Why do all Lehigh fans deflect the issue toward UD instead of addressing the inconsistency between Lehigh and UNH?
Lehigh has played 2 teams from this Top 25 list - neither of which is in the Top 10 - and is 1-1 against them. Why does Lehigh deserve to be in the Top 10?

According to this criteria, App State should be in the lower reaches of the Top 25 at best since they haven't beaten any ranked teams and padded their schedule with North Carolina A&T and Savannah State. Also, they lost to Wofford, putting them - where exactly?

There are boatloads of others. Maine has beaten one current Top 25 team. SHSU has beaten none. Georgia Southern? None. NDSU? None. UNI? None.

Given the criteria you yourself are forwarding, you should be ranking Lehigh at No. 2 or No. 3.

[Walkon79]

In the most significant win category. EWU of SAC in overtime. EWU will likely run the table now, and if so will be playoff eligible.

[FargoBison]

According to this criteria, App State should be in the lower reaches of the Top 25 at best since they haven't beaten any ranked teams and padded their schedule with North Carolina A&T and Savannah State. Also, they lost to Wofford, putting them - where exactly?

There are boatloads of others. Maine has beaten one current Top 25 team. SHSU has beaten none. Georgia Southern? None. NDSU? None. UNI? None.

Given the criteria you yourself are forwarding, you should be ranking Lehigh at No. 2 or No. 3.

NDSU beat #18 Illinois State
UNI beat #19 Indiana State

SHSU and NDSU also have FBS win for whatever they are worth.

[cpalum]

In the most significant win category. EWU of SAC in overtime. EWU will likely run the table now, and if so will be playoff eligible.


So you think they will beat Cal Poly in SLO?

[MSUBobcat]

So you think they will beat Cal Poly in SLO?

I agree that EWU runs the table. Once they got off their hangover to start the year, I've felt there was a good chance they'd win out and get an at large. This is not meant to be a knock on Cal Poly. I think it will be a great game and the winner will be one of the last teams to make the playoff field.

[HensRock]

so henrock, which currently ranked teams are the 2 that you claimed UNH beat?


Record agaisnt FBS/ranked/transitional teams

Your criteria, not mine. oops!

Lehigh
UMass

[kdinva]

I agree that EWU runs the table. Once they got off their hangover to start the year, I've felt there was a good chance they'd win out and get an at large. This is not meant to be a knock on Cal Poly. I think it will be a great game and the winner will be one of the last teams to make the playoff field.

TSN's latest bracket projection (done this morning), also thinks EWU will finish 7-4 and continue their season:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/fcs/FCS_Bracket.pdf

......and still predicts Norf. State to win the MEAC.............Appy @ JMU in week #2. xbowx

[JMUNJ08]

Nope.

So was no JMU a mistake? Otherwise, I need at least an explanation of your analysis for the bottom 4 in your poll:

22: Richmond Spiders
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

[cpalum]

I agree that EWU runs the table. Once they got off their hangover to start the year, I've felt there was a good chance they'd win out and get an at large. This is not meant to be a knock on Cal Poly. I think it will be a great game and the winner will be one of the last teams to make the playoff field.

I didn't take it as a knock...I think it will be a great game as well. I'm glad we have them at home

[JMUNJ08]

Hens Rock, maybe this will help you:

Record agaisnt FBS/ranked/transitional teams

Lehigh 1-1
UNH 1-2

oops!

So for the OOPS! record...UNH beat Lehigh, UMass & Richmond (RANKED at the time) for a 3-2 record (if you have to be petty since they CAN schedule up and loss to a decent Toledo team.

That leaves it at
UNH 3-2 > Lehigh 1-1

[crusader11]

TSN's latest bracket projection (done this morning), also thinks EWU will finish 7-4 and continue their season:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/fcs/FCS_Bracket.pdf

......and still predicts Norf. State to win the MEAC.............Appy @ JMU in week #2. xbowx

Having Murray State against Jacksonville State in the first round must be a mistake. First, two teams of the same conference would never be pitted against each other, and two, Murray State isn't even a playoff team right now anyways.

[HensRock]

According to this criteria, App State should be in the lower reaches of the Top 25 at best since they haven't beaten any ranked teams and padded their schedule with North Carolina A&T and Savannah State. Also, they lost to Wofford, putting them - where exactly?

There are boatloads of others. Maine has beaten one current Top 25 team. SHSU has beaten none. Georgia Southern? None. NDSU? None. UNI? None.

Given the criteria you yourself are forwarding, you should be ranking Lehigh at No. 2 or No. 3.

WRONG.

Maine? (Wrong) has 2 Top25 wins plus a very close loss at FBS Pittsburgh. SHSU has no Top 25 Wins, but also no Top 25 losses - and look at that, no losses at all, including an FBS team - oh, I forgot they don't count because Lehigh doesn't play any.
NDSU has an FBS win and no ranked losses. GSU is undefeated and absolutely smoked everyone they've played except Chattanooga (which should be ranked IMO). UNI? (Wrong). They beat ranked ISUb plus came within 1 of FBS Iowa State who looks pretty good this year.

Check your FACTS. Every other Top 10 Team has proven they belong in the Top 10. Not Lehigh.

[Reign of Terrier]

WRONG.

Maine? (Wrong) has 2 Top25 wins plus a very close loss at FBS Pittsburgh. SHSU has no Top 25 Wins, but also no Top 25 losses - and look at that, no losses at all, including an FBS team - oh, I forgot they don't count because Lehigh doesn't play any.
NDSU has an FBS win and no ranked losses. GSU is undefeated and absolutely smoked everyone they've played except Chattanooga (which should be ranked IMO). UNI? (Wrong). They beat ranked ISU plus came within 1 of FBS Iowa State who looks pretty good this year.

Check your FACTS. Every other Top 10 Team has proven they belong in the Top 10. Not Lehigh.
That deserves reps....too bad I have none to give

[ursus arctos horribilis]

That deserves reps....too bad I have none to give

Why can't you give rep yt?

[Reign of Terrier]

Why can't you give rep yt?

I already repped him :P

[I-16Bandit]

I already repped him :P

I repped him for ya. The post was worth it.

[LEHIGH61]

Because that game was a TIE at best for UNH. Lehigh's offense rolled.

[MSUBobcat]

I didn't take it as a knock...I think it will be a great game as well. I'm glad we have them at home

Given that you have them at home, I call this a crap shoot and wouldn't bet money on it. I do think EWU is playing more to their potential than at the start of the year, and I'm glad we got to play them when we did. They are not as bad as their record and start to the season indicates.

[jhanel]

My stab at it...commence to destroy:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Towson Tigers
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Norfolk State Spartans
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Northwestern State Demons
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Harvard Crimson

jhanel

[HensRock]

hence your moronic posts

Just fighting fire with fire. ;)

[joeybrownerhof]

My stab at it...commence to destroy:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Towson Tigers
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Norfolk State Spartans
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Northwestern State Demons
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Harvard Crimson

jhanel


Northern Iowa???????????

[bjtheflamesfan]

Now for my weekly thrashing of my ballot:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Towson Tigers
11: Maine Black Bears
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Liberty Flames
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Brown Bears
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Alabama State Hornets

Just on the Outside:
Furman
Eastern Washington
Norfolk State
William and Mary
Richmond

15-25 were probably the hardest to place this week than any other week because of so many teams losing (especially the last 5). EAstern Washington is getting hot at the right time but they are still only at .500. They keep winning they could be right around 15 come the final regular season poll. Furman got a huge win over Wofford so a win over UTC (which would make then 2-1 vs. the Top 25) gets them back in.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Maine? (Wrong) has wins over No. 9 and No. 25.

SHSU has no Top 25 Wins.

NDSU has no Top 25 Wins.

GSU has no Top 25 wins.

UNI beat No. 19.

Check your FACTS. Every other Top 10 Team has proven they belong in the Top 10. Not Lehigh.

Let's just fix up all the misinformation in your first post, and replace it them with FACTS. There, that's better.

And don't throw me that line of bullcrap that "close FBS losses" and even NDSU's win over 1-6 Minnesota is deserving of some sort of lifetime achievement award.

So, let's see. By your own criteria, Lehigh should be No. 3, right behind Maine and perhaps behind Wofford. After all, they beat the No. 16 team of the country, which is a more impressive achievement than what all of these other teams have been able to accomplish.

[darell1976]

My stab at week 8, M & N's are looking good

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Brown Bears
22: Furman Paladins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: William & Mary Tribe

Save this poll for next year!! xthumbsupx

[RabidRabbit]

Why not change UND and USD to the University of North Dakota and the University of South Dakota in the drop downs? If we could differentiate a bit from these schools with similar names it might help limit some of the mistakes.

IIRC, LAST year, it was u of north Dakota & u of south Dakota.

[asknoquarter21]

Now for my weekly thrashing of my ballot:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Towson Tigers
11: Maine Black Bears
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Liberty Flames
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Brown Bears
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Alabama State Hornets

Just on the Outside:
Furman
Eastern Washington
Norfolk State
William and Mary
Richmond

15-25 were probably the hardest to place this week than any other week because of so many teams losing (especially the last 5). EAstern Washington is getting hot at the right time but they are still only at .500. They keep winning they could be right around 15 come the final regular season poll. Furman got a huge win over Wofford so a win over UTC (which would make then 2-1 vs. the Top 25) gets them back in.

Montana too high......

[jhanel]

Northern Iowa???????????

Oh crap! I thought they were at 5. Man, I need to wake the hell up next time. Oh well.

[MSUBobcat]

Montana too high......

How is Montana too high on bj's ballot, given that he somehow omitted them from both the top 25 and Just on the Outside lists??? Unless you are referring to MSU and #4 is where most people seem to have them.

[superman7515]

How is Montana too high on bj's ballot, given that he somehow omitted them from both the top 25 and Just on the Outside lists??? Unless you are referring to MSU and #4 is where most people seem to have them.

That's the joke...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

How is Montana too high on bj's ballot, given that he somehow omitted them from both the top 25 and Just on the Outside lists??? Unless you are referring to MSU and #4 is where most people seem to have them.

bj has this happen quite a bit. He'll have a team on his ballot one week and be fairly well ranked and then they do a disappearing act the next. I don't know how it's possible but it is pure magic. He is my own AGS David Copperfield.xlolx

I love it every time he posts his ballot cuz he never goes a week without controversy but never ducks it.

[MSUBobcat]

That's the joke...

xoopsx My bad. Sarcasmometer must need batteries, but an emoticon would have helped.

[HensRock]

Let's just fix up all the misinformation in your first post, and replace it them with FACTS. There, that's better.

And don't throw me that line of bullcrap that "close FBS losses" and even NDSU's win over 1-6 Minnesota is deserving of some sort of lifetime achievement award.

So, let's see. By your own criteria, Lehigh should be No. 3, right behind Maine and perhaps behind Wofford. After all, they beat the No. 16 team of the country, which is a more impressive achievement than what all of these other teams have been able to accomplish.

OK. Maybe #4, behind Delaware, who beat the #15 team. xlolx No, Not my criteria.
And for the record, I never said NDSU has no ranked wins, you did. And that's wrong too because they beat Ill. State.
So what "misinformation" is in my post? YOUR first post was loaded with misinformation. I was merely setting the record straight:

Does Maine have 1 or 2 wins over currently ranked teams?
Does UNI have 0 or 1 win over currently ranked teams?
Does NDSU have 0 or 1 win over currently ranked teams?

But I will say that your original post raised a valid point about App State, and one which I actually agree with. That's why in my ballot I have App State ranked lower than most others - because of the weak schedule. But I still have them ranked above Lehigh.

[HensRock]

sorry, but the only ones in the fire are those Delaware Blue Hens

say, how about those 4 losses so far?

think that figure might get up to 7 losses?

oops!

It must really gall you that the Hens have 4 losses yet are still ranked.

Henvious?

[Reign of Terrier]

It must really gall you that the Hens have 4 losses yet are still ranked.

Henvious?

nah......he's just bitter over that 2003 matchup (as am I!)

[bjtheflamesfan]

Huh....I thought for sure I had them in there...must have forgotten to put them back in when I was doing some shifting around to take care of duplicates...I thought for sure I had them around 11 or 12...I'll have to be more careful next week (again)

I do appreciate the words UAH...the way I figure it, if my ballot gets thrashed I might as well take it because if its being criticized Im sure its for a valid reason

[Lehigh Football Nation]

But I will say that your original post raised a valid point about App State, and one which I actually agree with. That's why in my ballot I have App State ranked lower than most others - because of the weak schedule. But I still have them ranked above Lehigh.

Yet Lehigh has beaten a ranked team, but App has not?

And Lehigh's ranked win over No. 16 is better than the resume of all the other teams you mention, when they ranked wins are < 16 in the current poll?

To be fair, I was wrong. Now I see 5-3 Illinois State is ranked, something that completely eluded me since there is no way on God's Green Earth that this team that lost to Eastern Illinois, Youngstown and NDSU should be ranked in any poll. I honestly did not have them on my radar at all! I did have Indiana State on there, but not the Redbirds.

It amazes me that folks could put Illinois State in their Top 25, yet completely ignore 5-1 Harvard or 6-1 Alabama State.

[Reign of Terrier]

Yet Lehigh has beaten a ranked team, but App has not?

And Lehigh's ranked win over No. 16 is better than the resume of all the other teams you mention, when they ranked wins are < 16 in the current poll?

To be fair, I was wrong. Now I see 5-3 Illinois State is ranked, something that completely eluded me since there is no way on God's Green Earth that this team that lost to Eastern Illinois, Youngstown and NDSU should be ranked in any poll. I honestly did not have them on my radar at all! I did have Indiana State on there, but not the Redbirds.

It amazes me that folks could put Illinois State in their Top 25, yet completely ignore 5-1 Harvard or 6-1 Alabama State.

App State beat top 20 Samford like a drum this week 35-10ish. Point=invalid

Harvard=maybe in

Alabama State=NOOOOOO

[JSUBison]

Yet Lehigh has beaten a ranked team, but App has not?

And Lehigh's ranked win over No. 16 is better than the resume of all the other teams you mention, when they ranked wins are < 16 in the current poll?

To be fair, I was wrong. Now I see 5-3 Illinois State is ranked, something that completely eluded me since there is no way on God's Green Earth that this team that lost to Eastern Illinois, Youngstown and NDSU should be ranked in any poll. I honestly did not have them on my radar at all! I did have Indiana State on there, but not the Redbirds.

It amazes me that folks could put Illinois State in their Top 25, yet completely ignore 5-1 Harvard or 6-1 Alabama State.

Here's what I came up with. Like many of you, I thought 20-25 is a bit of a tossup. xrotatehx

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
8: Towson Tigers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Old Dominion Monarchs
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Alabama State Hornets
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Jackson State Tigers
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
23: Cal Poly Mustangs
24: Liberty Flames
25: Norfolk State Spartans

[Fear the Bird]

App should not have passed wofford especially considering many of you out there want furman in

Very interesting to see UD in there since it seems from these posts that UD voters, myself included DID NOT vote them in

[UNIFanSince1983]

Yet Lehigh has beaten a ranked team, but App has not?

And Lehigh's ranked win over No. 16 is better than the resume of all the other teams you mention, when they ranked wins are < 16 in the current poll?

To be fair, I was wrong. Now I see 5-3 Illinois State is ranked, something that completely eluded me since there is no way on God's Green Earth that this team that lost to Eastern Illinois, Youngstown and NDSU should be ranked in any poll. I honestly did not have them on my radar at all! I did have Indiana State on there, but not the Redbirds.

It amazes me that folks could put Illinois State in their Top 25, yet completely ignore 5-1 Harvard or 6-1 Alabama State.

How many Top 25 wins do Harvard or Alabama State have? Illinois State has 2 in consecutive weeks!

[DOME]

My stab at it...commence to destroy:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Towson Tigers
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Liberty Flames
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Norfolk State Spartans
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Northwestern State Demons
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Harvard Crimson

jhanel

I was wondering how NDSU jumped UNI...found it.

[Woody Hayes]

I was wondering how NDSU jumped UNI...found it.

How do you not put UNI in your top 25?

[GeauxLions94]

Here was my stab at it ...

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Towson Tigers
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Old Dominion Monarchs
18: Alabama State Hornets
19: Liberty Flames
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Jackson State Tigers
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: Norfolk State Spartans

On the outside looking in (in no particular order):
Eastern Washington, Cal Poly, South Dakota, Penn, Brown, Albany, Eastern Kentucky, Furman, Northwestern State

[UNIFanSince1983]

I was wondering how NDSU jumped UNI...found it.

Exactly! He stated he meant for us to be #5. That would give us 21 more points, and put us over them because we are only behind them by 9. However, there was the guy who had UND at 4 when he meant NDSU so that ends up putting them 10 points ahead of us anyways.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

It amazes me that folks could put Illinois State in their Top 25, yet completely ignore 5-1 Harvard or 6-1 Alabama State.

I threw Illinois State in near the bottom of my poll. At this point they have a winning record in one of the tougher conferences, a winning record overall, and quality wins vs. Indiana State and USD. I also ranked Harvard.

Alabama State is tricky... good record in conference, but arguably the weakest conference in the FCS (hard to tell who would prevail in a SWAC vs. PFL throwdown).

[BEAR]

Yay! We're #27 with our only FCS loss to Sam! xbowx xlolx

[Fear the Bird]

Yay! We're #27 with our only FCS loss to Sam! xbowx xlolx

That's sad that they couldn't crack this week - this is mine:

1. Georgia Southern
2. Northern Iowa
3. North Dakota St.
4. Montana St.
5. Maine
6. Sam Houston St.
7. James Madison
8. Lehigh
9. Wofford
10. Appalachian St.
11. Towson
12. New Hampshire
13. Montana
14. Old Dominion
15. Jacksonville St.
16. Liberty
17. Harvard
18. Central Arkansas
19. Chattanooga
20. Alabama St.
21. William & Mary
22. Illinois St.
23. Eastern Washington
24. Cal Poly
25. Brown
26. Albany
27. Delaware
28. Indiana St.
29. Furman
30. South Dakota

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Yay! We're #27 with our only FCS loss to Sam! xbowx xlolx

This. Personally, I think UCA is a lot better than Ill State. But then again, that's why you poll.

[JMUNJ08]

Yay! We're #27 with our only FCS loss to Sam! xbowx xlolx

Right around #20 for me as well. Missed that they had 2 FBS losses thrown in to their record.

I mean, I think some of the voters are just getting lazy by putting in the name brands at 4-4 or worse....are we rewarding mediocrity? I even went as far as rewarding a not so impressive AQ league team that has a 6-2 record that didn't even make the top 40....

[PantherRob82]

I had to vote from my phone this week and made an error. Probably got thrown out. With all the losses in the middle it was hard to sort out.

1. GSU
2. UNI
3. Maine
4. North Dakota State
5. Montana State
6. Sam Houston State
7. Towson
(any of the above could be moved around and I wouldn't argue)
8. James Madison
9. New Hampshire
10. Wofford
11. Lehigh
12. App St
(Any of the above could be switched and I wouldn't argue)
13. Montana
14. Old Dominion
15. Liberty
16. UT-Chat
17. Richmond (meant to put them here. Losing by one to Maine isn't cause for a drop IMO)
18. Sac St (meant to drop them out. Not sure what happened? Maybe meant to place someone else here?)
19. W&M (loss to higher ranked team, a lot of teams lost, not sure who to rank instead.)
20. Indiana State (not sure where to place them, a lot of team lost)
21. Delaware (lost, but a lot of teams lost, not sure who to rank instead.)
22. Cal Poly
23. EWU
24. Portland State
25. Illinois State

I'm not about to rank Alabama State, Harvard, or Brown. I've looked at them the past 3 weeks, and regardless of record, any of these teams would beat them home, away, or neutral.

Albany, UCA, and South Dakota were close.

[WrenFGun]

Because that game was a TIE at best for UNH. Lehigh's offense rolled.

UNH won the game on the road; the game probably doesn't get to OT were it not the heinous pick call called late in the 4th. God, that was brutal.

Did Lehigh get victimized by a bad call? Yes. Did they have the ball to tie/win? Yes.

That said, Lehigh is a good team; they just don't have the resume of some of the other teams, but they do belong in the top 10, IMO. Nice win over Liberty, close loss to UNH, undefeated otherwise. Still don't understand why they're ahead of UNH, who have 1 FCS loss to W&M, though UNH belongs behind Towson and Maine, possibly JMU as well.

[asknoquarter21]

Seems we don't really have much of a consensus on ASU

Sagarin has ASU at #5

I have seen them as low as #13 in a few polls and as high as #6

It looks like someone might be getting a tough draw come playoff time.

[PantherRob82]

I'm not sold on App still. Right now the easy assumption is that they are better than Chat, but worse than Wofford. What reason is there to jump them any higher than that?

[PantherRob82]

since then Lehigh has played much better ball than UNH, including NO losses

against a weaker schedule...

[bjtheflamesfan]

PantherRob is right...Lehigh comes from a weaker conference so the Mountain Hawks' record isnt as impressive. If the conference affiliations were reversed and the results the same, then Im sure there would be a greater respect level for Lehigh (though of course the same cant be said for you my friend)

[Fear the Bird]

UNH won the game on the road; the game probably doesn't get to OT were it not the heinous pick call called late in the 4th. God, that was brutal.

Did Lehigh get victimized by a bad call? Yes. Did they have the ball to tie/win? Yes.

That said, Lehigh is a good team; they just don't have the resume of some of the other teams, but they do belong in the top 10, IMO. Nice win over Liberty, close loss to UNH, undefeated otherwise. Still don't understand why they're ahead of UNH, who have 1 FCS loss to W&M, though UNH belongs behind Towson and Maine, possibly JMU as well.

Whether right or wrong, here is my rationale. Lehigh-UNH are obviously splitting hairs based on an OT shootout. That's maybe 1 ranking spot, and maybe 2 since it was at Lehigh. So when that happened, I believe I had something like UNH 6, Lehigh 8. Watching UNH lose to a W&M that I in person watched my very mediocre at best Blue Hens BLANK, caused a drop for UNH to about 12. I have not moved Lehigh, nor will I from that 8 spot. If UNH keeps winning I would have them back in front of Lehigh. Lehigh has played their "marquee games" and to me is a team that will give somebody fits in a quarterfinal, which is exactly what the #8 team in the country should do.

[HensRock]

...extremely weak teams such as Liberty...

So now the only victory Lehigh can claim as anything CLOSE to a quality win, is "extremely weak"?

Oops!

[MSUBobcat]

bj, so when you talk about conference schedule, you DO understand that we are talking about today's rankings and as of today, Lehigh has only played a couple of conference games. A look at the non-conference games played by Lehigh to date, however, does show extremely weak teams such as Liberty. Maybe Lehigh should work on getting stronger teams for their non-conference play.

thanks for pointing this out

We get that you beat Liberty. By 3. At home. It is a good OOC win, we all recognize that. Lehigh also lost to UNH. In OT. Again at home. Their remaining OOC schedule does consist of weak teams (Monmouth, Princeton and Yale). So yes, if they want to mitigate the weak SoS caused by playing in weaker conference, they should work on getting stronger teams for their non-conference play. Or beat the good ones they do schedule.