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SmallCollegeFBFan
September 26th, 2011, 02:06 PM
Georgia Southern remains at No.1 for the third week

SPARTANBURG, S.C. – After defeating conference foe, Western Carolina 52-20, Georgia Southern remains in the No. 1 spot of the FCS Coaches Poll for the third straight week. The Eagles, who improved to 3-0 on the season, recorded the third best rushing performance in school history Saturday afternoon.

Ezayi Youyoute ran for an 83 yard touchdown in the fourth quarter and led the Eagles in rushing with 119 yards. J.J. Wilcox finished with 115 yards on six carries and Jerick McKinnon recorded 114 yards. Georgia Southern ran for 634 yards, while having four players with over 90 yards on the ground.

Northern Iowa and Appalachian State remain at No. 2 and No.3 respectively, this week. Northern Iowa knocked off Western Illinois, 38-10 in their home opener. The Panthers rushed for 275 yards with David Johnson leading the way. Johnson had a career-high 132 yards on 21 carries.

Appalachian State defeated No.14 Chattanooga, 14-12. Chattanooga held the Mountaineers scoreless in the first 30 minutes of play. The Mocs two-point conversion failed with less than 10 minutes to play and the Mountaineers recorded four of their seven second-half first downs in the team’s last two drives, securing the win.

Montana State knocked off last year’s FCS Champion, Eastern Washington 36-21. With the win, the Bobcats improve to 3-1 and maintain the No.4 ranking.

Delaware moved into the Top 5 following their 27-17 win over Old Dominion. Despite an early deficit to their new conference rival, the Blue Hens were able to win their third straight game. Delware’s Nihja White recorded his second straight 100-yard receiving game.

Wofford and North Dakota State are tied for sixth this week. The Terriers jumped two spots in the rankings after knocking off conference rival Samford, 28-23 Saturday night. North Dakota State had this week’s biggest jump in the rankings as the Bison move up six spots following their 37-24 victory over Minnesota.

James Madison and New Hampshire both picked up wins this weekend moving them into the No.8 and 9 spot, respectively. William & Mary and Richmond round out the Top 10, as the two teams tied for the No. 10 spot.

Sam Houston State, Southern Utah, Indiana State and Sacramento State enter the Top 25 this week; while Eastern Washington, Liberty and Youngstown State lost their rankings.

Nine conferences are represented in the poll. The Colonial Athletic Association leads the way with six teams, followed by the Southern Conference and Missouri Valley Conference with four ranked teams each. The Big Sky, Great West and Southland have three teams. The Mid-Eastern Atlantic Conference, Ohio Valley and Patriot League all have one team ranked.

The FCS Coaches Poll is based exclusively on a voting panel of head coaches in the FCS under the cooperation of the Collegiate Commissioners Association (CCA) and the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) and is administered by the Southern Conference.

2011 FCS Coaches Week 4 Poll (September 26, 2011)
Team (No. 1 Votes) Record Points Last Week
1. Georgia Southern (25) 3-0 697 1
2. Northern Iowa (3) 2-1 668 2
3. Appalachian State 3-1 630 3
4. Montana State 3-1 618 4
5. Delaware 3-1 566 6
T6. Wofford 2-1 535 8
T6. North Dakota State 3-0 535 12
8. James Madison 3-1 508 10
9. New Hampshire 2-1 483 11
T10. William & Mary 2-2 395 5
T10. Richmond 3-1 395 7
12. Southern Illinois 2-1 394 13
13. Jacksonville State 3-1 330 15
14. Lehigh 2-1 295 16
15. McNeese State 2-1 259 18
16. Montana 2-2 256 9
17. Chattanooga 2-2 249 14
18. Sam Houston State 3-0 212 NR
19. Southern Utah 3-1 180 NR
20. Massachusetts 2-1 139 19
21. South Dakota 2-2 128 20
22. South Carolina State 2-2 125 25
23. Indiana State 3-1 109 NR
24. North Dakota 2-2 91 21
T25. Stephen F. Austin 1-3 47 17
T25. Sacramento State 2-2 47 NR

Others receiving votes: Coastal Carolina (27); Tennessee Tech (21); Weber State (20); Holy Cross (14); Jacksonville (14); Liberty (14); Youngstown State (12); Eastern Kentucky (11); Cal Poly (10); Duquesne (6); Towson (6); UC Davis (6); Eastern Washington (5); Murray State (3); Dayton (2); Elon (2); Harvard (2); Old Dominion (2); Central Arkansas (1); Jackson State (1); Florida A&M (1); Monmouth (1); Pennsylvania (1);

DJKyR0
September 26th, 2011, 02:13 PM
We wouldn't have had the biggest jump of the week if you'd have just left us where we belong in the first place! Six spots on a bye week...xshakefistx

danefan
September 26th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Haha. How in the world is Duquesne getting the same number of votes as Towson? Do the SIDs not know that Towson exists? Or have they already decided that they will fall apart?

UNIFanSince1983
September 26th, 2011, 02:28 PM
Many many many problems as per usual.

TTUEagles
September 26th, 2011, 02:34 PM
TTU creeping up there! I hope it's not a bad omen for their game at UT-M this Saturday.

aceinthehole
September 26th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Haha. How in the world is Duquesne getting the same number of votes as Towson? Do the SIDs not know that Towson exists? Or have they already decided that they will fall apart?

This is very wrong! Towson deserves a top-25 raking based on their results relative to others in FCS; and to put them behind teams such as Coastal, Holy Cross, and Liberty right now is just wrong - plain wrong!

In the NEC, Monmouth should be on the radar, but Duquesne needs to prove a lot more before I'd put them on the radar.

Fear the Bird
September 26th, 2011, 03:13 PM
This is very wrong! Towson deserves a top-25 raking based on their results relative to others in FCS; and to put them behind teams such as Coastal, Holy Cross, and Liberty right now is just wrong - plain wrong!

In the NEC, Monmouth should be on the radar, but Duquesne needs to prove a lot more before I'd put them on the radar.

Which Towson victory screams resume at you so much more than Coastal's win over Furman? FTR, I have Towson ranked and Coastal just outside, but I'm just saying

crusader11
September 26th, 2011, 03:19 PM
This is very wrong! Towson deserves a top-25 raking based on their results relative to others in FCS; and to put them behind teams such as Holy Cross is just wrong - plain wrong!


Holy Cross is 2-1:

L 24-16 UMASS
W 37-7 Colgate
W 30-22 Harvard

Towson is 3-0:

W 42-3 Morgan State
W 31-10 Villanova
W 42-17 Colgate

Both teams stomped Colgate.

Morgan State is a complete pushover that isn't all that impressive of a win...Towson did exactly what they should have to them.

I'd say that beating Harvard is more impressive than beating Villanova this year. Plus, nearly beating UMASS who looks like an above average CAA team is pretty telling.

I'm not arguing that Holy Cross is that much better than Towson, nor should they even be ranked that much higher, but to say it is "plain wrong" for Holy Cross to have a higher ranking is pretty inaccurate. Towson really hasn't played anyone great yet.

WileECoyote06
September 26th, 2011, 03:20 PM
Which Towson victory screams resume at you so much more than Coastal's win over Furman? FTR, I have Towson ranked and Coastal just outside, but I'm just saying

I agree 100%. I have both ranked, but Coastal is ranked higher.

Fear the Bird
September 26th, 2011, 03:21 PM
Holy Cross is 2-1:

L 24-16 UMASS
W 37-7 Colgate
W 30-22 Harvard

Towson is 3-0:

W 42-3 Morgan State
W 31-10 Villanova
W 42-17 Colgate

Both teams stomped Colgate.

Morgan State is a complete pushover that isn't all that impressive of a win...Towson did exactly what they should have to them.

I'd say that beating Harvard is more impressive than beating Villanova this year. Plus, nearly beating UMASS who looks like an above average CAA team is pretty telling.

I'm not arguing that Holy Cross is that much better than Towson, nor should they even be ranked that much higher, but to say it is "plain wrong" for Holy Cross to have a higher ranking is pretty inaccurate. Towson really hasn't played anyone great yet.

Agreed - I meant to defend HC as well but went the Coastal route - unfortunately HC gets a true test this week which they will get slammed for if they don't win (wrongly) and Towson has a huge test that they may get rewarded for keeping within 3 TD's (wrongly)

Squealofthepig
September 26th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Still a whopping 28 people voting in this poll - no wonder it's so... well, wrong.


Eastern Washington (5)

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Rekdiver
September 26th, 2011, 03:37 PM
I've seen all 4 games and we are not a top 5 team....right now we ought to be about 8. If the light bulb comes on then we will be good but right now we have problems.

aceinthehole
September 26th, 2011, 03:41 PM
I think Towson "taking care of business" is worthy, especially if some voters think SCSU running up the score on DSU is worthy a ranking.

Holy Cross and Towson both beat 'Gate, so that's a wash. IIMO the Tigers confrence win over 'Nova is more impressive than HC's win vs. Harvard. I'm not saying the Harvard win isn't good (it is), but I think the 'Nova win (even in a down year for them) is better. how soon we forget 'Nova rebounded to beat Ivy "contender" Penn. Sure, HC was impressive in their loss to UMass, but Towson gets a shot at UMass (I think) and I project they will play as well/or better than HC. In the end a team's record has to count for something and Towson isn't playing a cream puff schedule.

I think this is just another example of voter bias and "reputation" carring more weight than it should. I'm not even saying Towson is a top-15 team, but it doesn't seem fair that other team are looked at with a different prisim.

Squealofthepig
September 26th, 2011, 03:41 PM
I've seen all 4 games and we are not a top 5 team....right now we ought to be about 8. If the light bulb comes on then we will be good but right now we have problems.

This weekend will tell us a lot, to be sure. I have App at six, and the Terriers at seven - should be another good game. Gotta give the edge to the Terriers at home, but still my pick for game o' the week!

alvinkayak6
September 26th, 2011, 03:57 PM
WAY TOO MUCH LOVE FOR WILLIAM & MARY

alvinkayak6
September 26th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Richmond is top 3. NDSU is top 5. App State is maybe 10. Furman may not have any votes right now, but watch out come November.

Fear the Bird
September 26th, 2011, 04:05 PM
Richmond is top 3. NDSU is top 5. App State is maybe 10. Furman may not have any votes right now, but watch out come November.

The same Furman team that lost to Coastal Carolina or a different one?

alvinkayak6
September 26th, 2011, 04:05 PM
The new Furman team with chris forcier at the helm. He is a transfer from UCLA (pac-12).

asucrutch23
September 26th, 2011, 04:13 PM
The same Furman team that lost to Coastal Carolina or a different one?


The new Furman team with chris forcier at the helm. He is a transfer from UCLA (pac-12).

Forcier played in the Coastal game, no?

Jackman
September 26th, 2011, 04:44 PM
Sure, HC was impressive in their loss to UMass, but Towson gets a shot at UMass (I think) and I project they will play as well/or better than HC.

UMass and Towson aren't playing each other this year. I think we've only played them 3 times in the history of the program.

We'll know more about Holy Cross after the UNH game, but I think they're pretty good and definitely have a chance against a struggling defense.
We probably won't learn more about Towson unless they beat Maryland.

darell1976
September 26th, 2011, 04:48 PM
#24!!!!!!!!! Oh wait someone que the protesting Bison fans because I am sure they got the schools mixed up again.

OL FU
September 26th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Forcier played in the Coastal game, no?

Well actually the offense was all run the first half. Play calling like the PC game didn't start until the third quarter which looked like we would dominate the second half and then.....................Forcier went out and missed the fourth quarter.

But at the same time, CCU won and certainly should be considered ahead of Furman unless future games change that. FU shouldn't be considered for the top 25 right now. Maybe not all year. Even if we are improved, we could finish 5-6 easily. Gotta prove you are suppose to be there by winning.

katstrapper
September 26th, 2011, 04:51 PM
2011 FCS Coaches Week 4 Poll (September 26, 2011)
Team (No. 1 Votes) Record Points Last Week
1. Georgia Southern (25) 3-0 697 1
2. Northern Iowa (3) 2-1 668 2
3. Appalachian State 3-1 630 3
4. Montana State 3-1 618 4
5. Delaware 3-1 566 6
T6. Wofford 2-1 535 8
T6. North Dakota State 3-0 535 12
8. James Madison 3-1 508 10
9. New Hampshire 2-1 483 11
T10. William & Mary 2-2 395 5
T10. Richmond 3-1 395 7
12. Southern Illinois 2-1 394 13
13. Jacksonville State 3-1 330 15
14. Lehigh 2-1 295 16
15. McNeese State 2-1 259 18
16. Montana 2-2 256 9
17. Chattanooga 2-2 249 14
18. Sam Houston State 3-0 212 NR
19. Southern Utah 3-1 180 NR
20. Massachusetts 2-1 139 19
21. South Dakota 2-2 128 20
22. South Carolina State 2-2 125 25
23. Indiana State 3-1 109 NR
24. North Dakota 2-2 91 21
T25. Stephen F. Austin 1-3 47 17
T25. Sacramento State 2-2 47 NR



So the coaches poll didnt think SHSU was worthy of a top 25 spot last week when we beat UCA, but now they moved SHSU all the way to #18 after we beat a very bad New Mexico team?xconfusedx

FargoBison
September 26th, 2011, 04:52 PM
2011 FCS Coaches Week 4 Poll (September 26, 2011)
Team (No. 1 Votes) Record Points Last Week
1. Georgia Southern (25) 3-0 697 1
2. Northern Iowa (3) 2-1 668 2
3. Appalachian State 3-1 630 3
4. Montana State 3-1 618 4
5. Delaware 3-1 566 6
T6. Wofford 2-1 535 8
T6. North Dakota State 3-0 535 12
8. James Madison 3-1 508 10
9. New Hampshire 2-1 483 11
T10. William & Mary 2-2 395 5
T10. Richmond 3-1 395 7
12. Southern Illinois 2-1 394 13
13. Jacksonville State 3-1 330 15
14. Lehigh 2-1 295 16
15. McNeese State 2-1 259 18
16. Montana 2-2 256 9
17. Chattanooga 2-2 249 14
18. Sam Houston State 3-0 212 NR
19. Southern Utah 3-1 180 NR
20. Massachusetts 2-1 139 19
21. South Dakota 2-2 128 20
22. South Carolina State 2-2 125 25
23. Indiana State 3-1 109 NR
24. North Dakota 2-2 91 21
T25. Stephen F. Austin 1-3 47 17
T25. Sacramento State 2-2 47 NR



So the coaches poll didnt think SHSU was worth of a top 25 last week when we beat UCA, but now they moved SHSU all the way to #18 after we beat a very bad New Mexico team?xconfusedx

Just wait until you play bye and drop six spots...

katstrapper
September 26th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Just wait until you play bye and drop six spots...

I have seen that before. Happened to SHSU in 2004 if I remember correct.

darell1976
September 26th, 2011, 05:01 PM
I have seen that before. Happened to SHSU in 2004 if I remember correct.

Was it because the coaches voted for the University of Sam Houston.xlolx

WileECoyote06
September 26th, 2011, 05:15 PM
I think Towson "taking care of business" is worthy, especially if some voters think SCSU running up the score on DSU is worthy a ranking.

Holy Cross and Towson both beat 'Gate, so that's a wash. IIMO the Tigers confrence win over 'Nova is more impressive than HC's win vs. Harvard. I'm not saying the Harvard win isn't good (it is), but I think the 'Nova win (even in a down year for them) is better. how soon we forget 'Nova rebounded to beat Ivy "contender" Penn. Sure, HC was impressive in their loss to UMass, but Towson gets a shot at UMass (I think) and I project they will play as well/or better than HC. In the end a team's record has to count for something and Towson isn't playing a cream puff schedule.

I think this is just another example of voter bias and "reputation" carring more weight than it should. I'm not even saying Towson is a top-15 team, but it doesn't seem fair that other team are looked at with a different prisim.

SCSU 69 - DSU 0 <==> UD 45 - DSU 0

Plus SCSU has that win over BCU in Daytona to fall back on. When they played, both teams were ranked. Towson has a win over Villanova at home. And as impressive as that is, Villanova is still 1 - 3.

ngineer
September 26th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Coaches' poll is a waste. The coaches don't follow what's going on other than their next opponent. The delegate this 'homework assignment' to their SIDs who know nothing are react to reputational names.

crusader11
September 26th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Coaches' poll is a waste. The coaches don't follow what's going on other than their next opponent. The delegate this 'homework assignment' to their SIDs who know nothing are react to reputational names.

Agreed. The fact that William and Mary is currently ranked as the 10th best team is a travesty. A 4 point win over New Haven and very unimpressive performance against VMI are both of their wins. I had them at #25 in my poll this week.

bojeta
September 26th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Perhaps it's time to start drug testing the coaches! lol..

Squealofthepig
September 26th, 2011, 07:07 PM
So the coaches poll didnt think SHSU was worthy of a top 25 spot last week when we beat UCA, but now they moved SHSU all the way to #18 after we beat a very bad New Mexico team?xconfusedx

They all just hate Bobby Hauck is what it is, I bet! :)

Squealofthepig
September 26th, 2011, 07:08 PM
Perhaps it's time to start drug testing the coaches! lol..

Well said - and I would be curious to see what the heck is keeping Minnesota's Coach Kill alive.

401ks
September 26th, 2011, 11:31 PM
In the NEC, Monmouth should be on the radar, but Duquesne needs to prove a lot more before I'd put them on the radar.

Agree 100%.

When Duquesne comes away from West Long Branch on October 29 with a hard-fought victory over the Hawks and an 8-1 record, I will squeeze them into my Top 25.

Until then...

xpopcornx

apaladin
September 27th, 2011, 12:40 AM
Jacksonville loses to The Citadel by 21 and Furman beats The Citadel on the road the next week by 10. Jacksonville gets 14 votes and FU zero. Not sayin FU is top 25 but deserves maybe a vote or 2.

Squealofthepig
September 27th, 2011, 12:55 AM
Jacksonville loses to The Citadel by 21 and Furman beats The Citadel on the road the next week by 10. Jacksonville gets 14 votes and FU zero. Not sayin FU is top 25 but deserves maybe a vote or 2.

Oh, and they lost to Coastal Carolina. Granted, on the road, but still - ya kinda left that part out. Any Given Saturday and all.

OL FU
September 27th, 2011, 06:21 AM
Oh, and they lost to Coastal Carolina. Granted, on the road, but still - ya kinda left that part out. Any Given Saturday and all.

His comparison is that Jacksonville received 14 votes. Certainly if JAcksonville deserves votes then Furman does. Of Course JAcksonville doesn't deserve votes. One more reason this poll is nutz.

Also, Coastal Carolina received 27 and beat Furman by a touchdown, so FU getting a couple of votes would not be out of line.

Gil Dobie
September 27th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Just wait until you play bye and drop six spots...

North Dakota lost to Fresno St, both rise and fall together. ;)

Bison Dan
September 27th, 2011, 09:04 AM
#24!!!!!!!!! Oh wait someone que the protesting Bison fans because I am sure they got the schools mixed up again.

So which big win this year are you most proud of? Which one do you think put you into the polls. Maybe it was your play last year that all the pollers are looking at? Make your case!

MR. CHICKEN
September 27th, 2011, 09:20 AM
Well said - and I would be curious to see what the heck is keeping Minnesota's Coach Kill alive.

16143.....MAYBEAH...DUH WILL/RESOLVE.....TA GET EVEN WHIFF DELAWARE......FO' DAT 48-7 PASTIN'...HENS LAID ON...SALUKIS....WHIFF THUNDER/LIGHTNIN'......'03 PLAYOFFS............;)....BRAWK!

'CEPTIN' DUH JOB.....IN MINNE-HA-HA......FBS CAREER ENDER........WON'T BE LONG.....TIL...HE'S...BACK IN FCS.....AWQ!

bojeta
September 27th, 2011, 03:48 PM
Lat time I can remember Minn having a decent team was when they were played by actors on the TV series Coach. lol... Seriously, what happened to this once great program??

Houndawg
September 27th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Lat time I can remember Minn having a decent team was when they were played by actors on the TV series Coach. lol... Seriously, what happened to this once great program??

Seriously, why would somebody who can play where ever they want choose that part of the country?

Twentysix
September 27th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Cause they were from Minnesota to begin with. Otherwise I couldn't tell you.

Why would a kid from florida or texas play at Illinois?

darell1976
September 27th, 2011, 05:47 PM
So which big win this year are you most proud of? Which one do you think put you into the polls. Maybe it was your play last year that all the pollers are looking at? Make your case!

Previous to Minnesota which big win was NDSU proud of...Lafayette or St. Francis? There was no mixup betweent he schools no matter what Forum's Jeff Kopack says. Take off the green and gold glasses and wake up. If UND and NDSU did get mixed up why did UND stay into the polls at #24 with a win over a DII team? There was no mistake the week before when NDSU dropped due to the bye week. But it doesn't matter. We are in the polls and to their eyes we belong.

bojeta
September 27th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Previous to Minnesota which big win was NDSU proud of...Lafayette or St. Francis? There was no mixup betweent he schools no matter what Forum's Jeff Kopack says. Take off the green and gold glasses and wake up. If UND and NDSU did get mixed up why did UND stay into the polls at #24 with a win over a DII team? There was no mistake the week before when NDSU dropped due to the bye week. But it doesn't matter. We are in the polls and to their eyes we belong.

I think just about any FCS team in the country would be happy to have NDSU's record in their pocket right now.

frozennorth
September 28th, 2011, 03:45 AM
Previous to Minnesota which big win was NDSU proud of...Lafayette or St. Francis? There was no mixup betweent he schools no matter what Forum's Jeff Kopack says. Take off the green and gold glasses and wake up. If UND and NDSU did get mixed up why did UND stay into the polls at #24 with a win over a DII team? There was no mistake the week before when NDSU dropped due to the bye week. But it doesn't matter. We are in the polls and to their eyes we belong.und dropped 3 spots after a blowout win, with three teams in the top 25 dropping out entirely. Drake was the worst team of the bunch, and und beat them bya whopping 16. Lafayette beat the ivy league favorite.

What is the case for ranking UND? Can you make one?

frozennorth
September 28th, 2011, 03:50 AM
Lat time I can remember Minn having a decent team was when they were played by actors on the TV series Coach. lol... Seriously, what happened to this once great program??um football went into the ****ter immediately after the creation of the vikings

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 05:22 AM
und dropped 3 spots after a blowout win, with three teams in the top 25 dropping out entirely. Drake was the worst team of the bunch, and und beat them bya whopping 16. Lafayette beat the ivy league favorite.

What is the case for ranking UND? Can you make one?

Ask the coaches...also for someone who claims they go to UND you haven't said one positive thing about the school in any of your posts. Try covering of your true colors a little better.

Twentysix
September 28th, 2011, 06:30 AM
Previous to Minnesota which big win was NDSU proud of...Lafayette or St. Francis? There was no mixup betweent he schools no matter what Forum's Jeff Kopack says. Take off the green and gold glasses and wake up. If UND and NDSU did get mixed up why did UND stay into the polls at #24 with a win over a DII team? There was no mistake the week before when NDSU dropped due to the bye week. But it doesn't matter. We are in the polls and to their eyes we belong.

Before the minnesota win NDSU was riding the fact that they did fantastic last year, especially well into the playoffs. And the fact that they had very few starters graduate, and picked up some good recruits.

NDSU had done nothing to show they were not the same team or a better team before the gophers. That is how a poll works in the first few weeks.

UND sucked last year. Therefore this does not apply to them.

GSU wasn't #1 because they rocked some crappy teams, its because they have won their games against crappy teams and did great with the perception they will be even better this year.

You are either pretending to be an idiot or a poorly versed troll, I havent decided.

If you go back and look NDSU was not ranked during the early weeks last year, because they had a terrible record the year before. Yet that team ended up playing in 14 games.

In the same respect Nick mertens first year we started the preseason poll at #1 I believe and that season was a 6-5 disaster.

If and when UND has a good year making it past the first two rounds of the playoffs they will probably start the next season in the preseason top 25, even if they will ultimately end that same season 0-11.

It is how polls work, if you dont understand that you probably should never vote again.

As far as the poll is concerned right now UND is 1-2 going into week 5. And as far as the poll is concerned you only play 8 games this season unless you somehow lose or do poorly against a D2/NAIA team that would reflect negativly.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5527/sioux.png

Ask yourself which big win georgia southern hangs their #1 ranking on?

Cause lafayette would probably beat both of Georgia southerns DI opponents.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Before the minnesota win NDSU was riding the fact that they did fantastic last year, especially well into the playoffs. And the fact that they had very few starters graduate, and picked up some good recruits.

NDSU had done nothing to show they were not the same team or a better team before the gophers. That is how a poll works in the first few weeks.

UND sucked last year. Therefore this does not apply to them.

GSU wasn't #1 because they rocked some crappy teams, its because they have won their games against crappy teams and did great with the perception they will be even better this year.

You are either pretending to be an idiot or a poorly versed troll, I havent decided.

If you go back and look NDSU was not ranked during the early weeks last year, because they had a terrible record the year before. Yet that team ended up playing in 14 games.

In the same respect Nick mertens first year we started the preseason poll at #1 I believe and that season was a 6-5 disaster.

If and when UND has a good year making it past the first two rounds of the playoffs they will probably start the next season in the preseason top 25, even if they will ultimately end that same season 0-11.

It is how polls work, if you dont understand that you probably should never vote again.

As far as the poll is concerned right now UND is 1-2 going into week 5. And as far as the poll is concerned you only play 8 games this season unless you somehow lose or do poorly against a D2/NAIA team that would reflect negativly.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5527/sioux.png

Ask yourself which big win georgia southern hangs their #1 ranking on?

Cause lafayette would probably beat both of Georgia southerns DI opponents.

What is it with Bison fans and name calling. You and Lakes are one of the same. What does GSU have to do with NDSU saying last weeks poll was all because the pollsters don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. I know how polls work and will continue to vote.

Twentysix
September 28th, 2011, 06:58 AM
What is it with Bison fans and name calling. You and Lakes are one of the same. What does GSU have to do with NDSU saying last weeks poll was all because the pollsters don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. I know how polls work and will continue to vote.

Name calling? "Pretending" you were assuming a roll buddy. Did you notice how ndsu did not drop like that or even at all in ANY other poll? I cannot tell if you are playing dumb to this key factor or if it truley alludes you.

With the same being said about UND's ranking.

Bison Dan
September 28th, 2011, 09:02 AM
Name calling? "Pretending" you were assuming a roll buddy. Did you notice how ndsu did not drop like that or even at all in ANY other poll? I cannot tell if you are playing dumb to this key factor or if it truley alludes you.

With the same being said about UND's ranking.

Notice that he hasn't made a case for their ranking. Because there isn't one. I'd say the majority of the teams receiving "votes" would easily beat them. xlolx

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 09:20 AM
Name calling? "Pretending" you were assuming a roll buddy. Did you notice how ndsu did not drop like that or even at all in ANY other poll? I cannot tell if you are playing dumb to this key factor or if it truley alludes you.

With the same being said about UND's ranking.

I hope you know not all the same people vote in all the polls. Here is a bunch of people (whom I can assume is not voting in other polls) voting on who they want at what ranking they want. Remember here is NDSU yes coming off a loss to EWU in the playoffs last year then destroying 2 cupcakes and then a bye week. They went down. All of a sudden UND pops up in the polls then holy hell hits Fargo. How dare anyone vote UND in for beating Drake and playing 2 FBS teams (with 1 of them beating them until 9:14 left in the game). Now would I put UND in the polls...no and to that point I didn't vote UND at all. So just coming out and saying they must have meant NDSU is total BS!!! Unless you have quotes from those who voted who admitted they voted for UND by mistake, you're making yourself and your fan base look like total fools. I used fools "pretending" you were assuming the role. Trying not to name call. And since UND was #21 and only dropped 3 spots for beating a DII team, is evidence that those same people, who you think mistook UND for NDSU, believe that UND belongs in the polls or else UND would've been unranked. What is their reason, I cannot say since I don't know who voted for whom.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 09:23 AM
Notice that he hasn't made a case for their ranking. Because there isn't one. I'd say the majority of the teams receiving "votes" would easily beat them. xlolx

Why is that funny Dan? You know what I think is funny? If NDSU beats cupcakes at home and the Gophers but can't win their conference. Remember 2007? 2 FBS wins, then lose the last game of the year to SDSU and that season was lost. No title.

NDB
September 28th, 2011, 09:42 AM
The UND poll situation is a joke.

The only thing funnier are fans and the SID who can't see that.

The reason a lot of folks are giving it attention is because it is humorous not that we are threatened by some growing football power.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 09:43 AM
The UND poll situation is a joke.

The only thing funnier are fans and the SID who can't see that.

The reason a lot of folks are giving it attention is because it is humorous not that we are threatened by some growing football power.

But its not UND that is taking this seriously. Fargo Forum's writer Jeff Kopack. NDSU coach Craig Bohl. Bisonville. The list is endless. UND is in the polls..OMG it has to be a conspiricy against NDSU. You guys are a riot.xlolx

No_Skill
September 28th, 2011, 09:53 AM
...and you would trade any of und's transition years with our 2007, so saying it was a "failure" is asinine.

No_Skill
September 28th, 2011, 09:58 AM
Show me the quote where coach bohl says anything about und in the polls. Fans and writers will always talk, but bohl hadn't said two words about und in the polls.

Edit: scratch that...poll not polls

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Show me the quote where coach bohl says anything about und in the polls. Fans and writers will always talk, but bohl hadn't said two words about und in the polls.

http://bisonmedia.areavoices.com/2011/09/27/two-things-2/


First for those that missed Craig Bohl’s rant about the recent FCS Coaches Polls, head to WDAY.com, click on the 10pm newscast link, go about 25 minutes in…you’ll see the full story..hopefully I can get a quick link posted on here sometime Tuesday. It’s worth the view, the head coach is not happy.

And your response to this is......

NDB
September 28th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Dude.

We KNOW the poll is a joke. I don't feel slighted about it as a fan, I think it's funnier than sh#t. There are a bunch of UND fans and the SID who think that they've arrived based on the poll. I actually feel sorry for the UND football players who've been busting their a##, thinking they've earned recognition, but really are the beneficiaries of a coding error.

And UND does take is seriously, their SID publicly embarrassed himself with his Twitter account.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 10:24 AM
Dude.

We KNOW the poll is a joke. I don't feel slighted about it as a fan, I think it's funnier than sh#t. There are a bunch of UND fans and the SID who think that they've arrived based on the poll. I actually feel sorry for the UND football players who've been busting their a##, thinking they've earned recognition, but really are the beneficiaries of a coding error.

And UND does take is seriously, their SID publicly embarrassed himself with his Twitter account.

And what does it say for Craig Bohl? Getting pissed that his team went down in this "funny" poll. I saw the newscast and he is confused about the poll and would like to know who voted for whom. Shouldn't he just prepare for games and not worry about a "funny" poll.

NDB
September 28th, 2011, 10:30 AM
They asked him a question and he responded. I'm sure that it took up a whole five minutes of his day.

Do you really think that Bohl spent most of the last 10 days thinking about this not preparing for the game against Minnesota or now the kickoff of the conference schedule?

Professor Chaos
September 28th, 2011, 10:32 AM
Gentlemen, can we all just agree with each other (including objective posters from other universities) that the coaches poll is the worst of the major polls posted on this board. There's not enough voters period, and there's definitely not enough voters who take it seriously enough to thoroughly research the teams they're voting on prior to submitting their ballot. There's more evidence of that every week this poll is released than just the NDSU/UND conundrum.

UND got ranked, good for them. NDSU will end up exactly where we belong if we take care of our own business and not worry about what hats the moronic SIDS.... er.... coaches are pulling names out of.

If it was the AGS poll, we would have something to argue about but arguing about the Coaches Poll, to quote "Waiting", is like arguing about the smartest kid with down syndrome.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 10:33 AM
They asked him a question and he responded. I'm sure that it took up a whole five minutes of his day.

I'm sure Bohl spent most of the last 10 days thinking about this not preparing for the game against Minnesota or now the kickoff of the conference schedule.

Actually it was the Monday night after the Gophers game here is my quote on siouxsports.com after seeing that interview:


Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:28 PM

WDAYtv is doing a story on the polls, and Craig Bohl says he is dumbfounded that you have a bye week and go down, that he gives up on the polls. He wants to know who is voting and for whom.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Gentlemen, can we all just agree with each other (including objective posters from other universities) that the coaches poll is the worst of the major polls posted on this board. There's not enough voters period, and there's definitely not enough voters who take it seriously enough to thoroughly research the teams they're voting on prior to submitting their ballot. There's more evidence of that every week this poll is released than just the NDSU/UND conundrum.

UND got ranked, good for them. NDSU will end up exactly where we belong if we take care of our own business and not worry about what hats the moronic SIDS.... er.... coaches are pulling names out of.

Professor Chaos....I agree with you 100%.xthumbsupx Plus after Saturday we will know if UND stays in the polls or goes. They play at Southern Utah.

No_Skill
September 28th, 2011, 12:07 PM
http://bisonmedia.areavoices.com/2011/09/27/two-things-2/



And your response to this is......

like I said...he said NOTHING about UND. He talked about OUR movement down and up.

LakesBison
September 28th, 2011, 02:53 PM
obviously someone voted for und instead of ndsu, then the following week the sid looked back and copied the week before. i mean its hilarious that all 3 polls dont give them a vote, yet the coaches poll does? cmon, we are all smarter than this. they beat a naia team and a non-scholarship drake. Its too bad that we have to get confused with them from time to time on the east coast or down south

Seven Would Be Nice
September 28th, 2011, 03:02 PM
Stopped reading the list after #1. :)

We've got a long way to go this season, lots of tough games ahead of us, but it sure is nice to see us atop the rankings. Been a while.

frozennorth
September 28th, 2011, 03:26 PM
But its not UND that is taking this seriously. Fargo Forum's writer Jeff Kopack. NDSU coach Craig Bohl. Bisonville. The list is endless. UND is in the polls..OMG it has to be a conspiricy against NDSU. You guys are a riot.xlolx

The rest of the und fanbase needs to admit that this ranking is nonsense. Holding on to it is completely embarassing.

frozennorth
September 28th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Ask the coaches...also for someone who claims they go to UND you haven't said one positive thing about the school in any of your posts. Try covering of your true colors a little better.

Fans like you make me even more embarrassed to be a UND student.

Want me to pm you a photo of my degree?

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Fans like you make me even more embarrassed to be a UND student.

Want me to pm you a photo of my degree?

Funny that a UND student wouldn't be a fan of UND? Why don't you support your school. Its called school spirit. Thinking it would be funny if they lost to DII BHSU itsn't funny to the rest of the Sioux fans. Why didn't you go to the game and support your school instead of going to the Bison game? Get some spirit and support your school.

NDB
September 28th, 2011, 04:08 PM
it's called being objective.

BisonBacker
September 28th, 2011, 04:20 PM
I figure he just wanted to see some real football by going to an NDSU game :D

SDFS
September 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM
This is FCS - who cares about the polls... you prove it on the field.

Hammerhead
September 28th, 2011, 07:24 PM
I was proud both wins. An average score of 49-5 against two FCS schools is a big deal, even when the opponents aren't highly rated.


Previous to Minnesota which big win was NDSU proud of...Lafayette or St. Francis? There was no mixup betweent he schools no matter what Forum's Jeff Kopack says. Take off the green and gold glasses and wake up. If UND and NDSU did get mixed up why did UND stay into the polls at #24 with a win over a DII team? There was no mistake the week before when NDSU dropped due to the bye week. But it doesn't matter. We are in the polls and to their eyes we belong.

semobison
September 28th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Professor Chaos....I agree with you 100%.xthumbsupx Plus after Saturday we will know if UND stays in the polls or goes. They play at Southern Utah.

I agree with Darell! At this point in the season who cares who is ranked! It should all play it self out. Leave it alone fellow Bison fans!

MplsBison
September 28th, 2011, 07:37 PM
Seriously, why would somebody who can play where ever they want choose that part of the country?

Exactly.

Yet, every single Minnesota football fan will tell you the same thing "we can't compete in the Big Ten with Minnesota high school players". It's such bull****.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 08:28 PM
I agree with Darell! At this point in the season who cares who is ranked! It should all play it self out. Leave it alone fellow Bison fans!

Just as I will leave it alone, because after Saturday UND will most likely be in the top 20 or out completely. (I am talking just about the coaches poll, as for other polls I would think a win at SUU would warrant a spot in the polls.)

NDB
September 28th, 2011, 08:33 PM
Just as I will leave it alone, because after Saturday UND will most likely be in the top 20 or out completely. (I am talking just about the coaches poll, as for other polls I would think a win at SUU would warrant a spot in the polls.)

Which way does UND move if NDSU wins?

Twentysix
September 28th, 2011, 08:34 PM
This is FCS - who cares about the polls... you prove it on the field.

This is the FCS the poll is a tool of measurement that dictates seeding. Teams that want home games come playoff time should care very much.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 08:36 PM
This is the FCS the poll is a tool of measurement that dictates seeding. Teams that want home games come playoff time should care very much.

But there are so many polls which ones does the selection committe use?

Twentysix
September 28th, 2011, 08:44 PM
But there are so many polls which ones does the selection committe use?

Coaches and TSN I believe. Along with GPI.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Coaches and TSN I believe. Along with GPI.

Maybe they should use the AGS Poll!

Twentysix
September 28th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Maybe they should use the AGS Poll!

I totally agree, but it is not official enough.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 08:54 PM
http://www.thegeorgeanne.com/index.php/sports/39-local-sports/2290-how-it-works-fcs-playoff-selection


According to the FCS Championship handbook, the selection criteria include:
◦The win-loss record is “scrutinized to determine a team’s strength in schedule” and that fewer than seven wins in Division I play “may place a team in jeopardy of being selected.”
◦The selection committee “may give more consideration to those teams who have played all Division I opponents.”
◦Also, if a conference is guaranteed an automatic bid in the playoffs, and does not receive one, an at-large bid is given



I found this on google.

Twentysix
September 28th, 2011, 08:58 PM
http://www.thegeorgeanne.com/index.php/sports/39-local-sports/2290-how-it-works-fcs-playoff-selection

I found this on google.

Something posted by danefan recently


External polls are part of the "Bridge AQ" for the PFL

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbo...1_football.pdf

1. 8 DI wins
2. 2 wins over teams from AQ leagues
3. Average ranking of 20 or higher in (a) the TSN poll, (b) the Coaches Poll and (c) a modified GPI using only Massey, Ashburn, Self, Laz and Wolfe. <--- those would be the polls the comittee deems official.

But since no one met the first two, the third was a non factor.

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Something posted by danefan recently


http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

NDSU #2
UND #49 (doesn't matter not eligible).

NDB
September 28th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Wow.

UND at #49.

That would match the sagarin, the fathead poll, the ags poll, pretty much every computer ranking and poll in the country.

good thing they have that coach's poll to let us know that UND is so good.

alvinkayak6
September 28th, 2011, 09:14 PM
You wonder how rankings ever got to their privileged status, or why they haven't reformed. The coaches poll has serious problems with only 28 participating coaches. Fortunately, most of the conferences have a championship outcome, thus it is determined on the field.

JSUBison
September 28th, 2011, 09:15 PM
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5527/sioux.png



Looking forward to that two week homestand against Montana Western Darrel? xlolx

darell1976
September 28th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Looking forward to that two week homestand against Montana Western Darrel? xlolx

Oct 15th is a bye week.

alvinkayak6
September 28th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Sotuhern Utah should b a yummy matchup which will tell us how good Sioux are

19Duke97
September 28th, 2011, 09:30 PM
Not sold we are a top ten team yet, I guess we will find out more this weekend.

frozennorth
September 28th, 2011, 10:32 PM
Funny that a UND student wouldn't be a fan of UND? Why don't you support your school. Its called school spirit. Thinking it would be funny if they lost to DII BHSU itsn't funny to the rest of the Sioux fans. Why didn't you go to the game and support your school instead of going to the Bison game? Get some spirit and support your school.

UND hasn't given me much reason to support it or be proud of it. Also, UND has no school spirit, aside from 4 hours a week while hockey is on.

gjw007
September 29th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Is this pissing contest between LakesBison University fans and UND fans over yet? No one, even UND fans, believe that UND should be ranked in the top 25 (Darrell even said he won't vote for them in the polls). But they are ranked in the coaches poll, good for them, it gives them something to feel that things are looking up but since UND is not eligible for the playoffs - and let's face it, they have a terrible schedule - it will only matter how good or bad UND is next year and the years after since then success can be measured by whether they (1) win the conference title, (2) make the playoffs, or (3) win the national championship.

Hammerhead
September 29th, 2011, 10:42 AM
Sagarin ratings are very similar:

NDSU: #2
UND: #46


http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

NDSU #2
UND #49 (doesn't matter not eligible).

darell1976
September 29th, 2011, 11:31 AM
Is this pissing contest between LakesBison University fans and UND fans over yet? No one, even UND fans, believe that UND should be ranked in the top 25 (Darrell even said he won't vote for them in the polls). But they are ranked in the coaches poll, good for them, it gives them something to feel that things are looking up but since UND is not eligible for the playoffs - and let's face it, they have a terrible schedule - it will only matter how good or bad UND is next year and the years after since then success can be measured by whether they (1) win the conference title, (2) make the playoffs, or (3) win the national championship.

If UND would have beaten either Idaho or Fresno I would have voted UND in. I will vote UND in if they go down to Cedar City and upset Southern Utah. IMO warrants them in. Until then its just a confidence booster to be rated. We can only win a conference title. Next year is going to be a whole different story.

Twentysix
September 29th, 2011, 11:33 AM
If UND would have beaten either Idaho or Fresno I would have voted UND in. I will vote UND in if they go down to Cedar City and upset Southern Utah. IMO warrants them in. Until then its just a confidence booster to be rated. We can only win a conference title. Next year is going to be a whole different story.

Ill cheer for UND against EWU but no one else. :P

You will get to see first hand a game worse attended than NAIA games.

darell1976
September 29th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Ill cheer for UND against EWU but no one else. :P

You will get to see first hand a game worse attended than NAIA games.

EWU fans don't show up?? We play at EWU in 2012.

No_Skill
September 29th, 2011, 01:07 PM
I think they averaged around 4,000 per game last year including the playoff games.

darell1976
September 29th, 2011, 01:26 PM
I think they averaged around 4,000 per game last year including the playoff games.

Holy crap!!! Is it the red turf? xlolx

Twentysix
September 29th, 2011, 01:31 PM
I think they averaged around 4,000 per game last year including the playoff games.

Here is the joke. They are not a private school.

alvinkayak6
September 29th, 2011, 01:56 PM
The red field schtick isn't going to work its magic this year apparently. Any news on whether or not eyeballs are poppin in Central ARkansas?