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AGSPoll
September 26th, 2011, 01:29 PM
AGS Top 25 September 26, 2011


1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2706 70
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2535 15
3T Montana State Bobcats 2514 7
3T North Dakota State Bison 2514 17
5 Appalachian State Mountaineers 2324 0
6 Wofford Terriers 2108 0
7 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 2073
8 New Hampshire Wildcats 2057 0
9 James Madison Dukes 1850 0
10 Richmond Spiders 1544 0
11 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1488 0
12 Southern Illinois Salukis 1335 0
13 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1326
14 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 1262 0
15 Chattanooga Mocs 1151 0
16 William & Mary Tribe 1108 0
17 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1015 0
18 Montana Grizzlies 785 0
19 Indiana State Sycamores 657 0
20 South Carolina State Bulldogs 611 0
21 McNeese State Cowboys 603 0
22 Towson Tigers 495 0
23 South Dakota Coyotes 402 0
24 Sacramento State Hornets 387 0
25 Liberty Flames 179 0

Most Significant Win:North Dakota State Bison

Most Significant Loss:Eastern Washington Eagles


26 Maine Black Bears 176 0
27 Weber State Wildcats 138 0
28 Holy Cross Crusaders 124 0
29 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 108 0
30T Furman Paladins 55 0
30T Elon Phoenix 55 0
32 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 51 0
33 Old Dominion Monarchs 48 0
34 Yale Bulldogs 38 0
35T Cal Poly Mustangs 37 0
35T Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 37 0
37 Portland State Vikings 26 0
38 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 24 0
39 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 23 0
40T Youngstown State Penguins 19 0
40T Monmouth Hawks 19 0

jhanel
September 26th, 2011, 01:31 PM
My vote:

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Wofford Terriers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Towson Tigers
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Liberty Flames
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Northwestern State Demons

jhanel

dbackjon
September 26th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Liberty? Seriously?


If you are going to put a 1-3 team in there, Cal Poly would smoke Liberty

TexasTerror
September 26th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Wow... someone gave SHSU a first-place vote.

Wonder who...??

Rob Iola
September 26th, 2011, 01:36 PM
AGS Top 25 September 26, 2011


3 Montana State Bobcats 2514 7
4 North Dakota State Bison 2514 17


Interesting - NDSU gets 10 more 1st place votes than Montana State, but ends up tied overall - apparently voters either luv NDSU or hate 'em...

TTUEagles
September 26th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Wow. Just fainted. 10 minutes later I double-checked and saw TTU in there (ORV) !!! Thanks everyone - yes, it's sad that it makes me that happy to be ranked #39...

crusader11
September 26th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Interesting how Liberty is still being voted as a top 25 team.

Professor Chaos
September 26th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Surprised to see the Bison at #4 with more 1st place votes than UNI and Montana St. Must've been quite a range that NDSU is being ranked at by the pollsters. #4 is good enough for me, there's still a lot to prove for all the teams before the polls start mattering for GPI and such.

danefan
September 26th, 2011, 01:41 PM
I'm surprised to see Lehigh with such a gap (in points that is) behind UNH. The game was essentially dead even and Lehigh hasn't done anything negative since.

molly
September 26th, 2011, 01:42 PM
Interesting - NDSU gets 10 more 1st place votes than Montana State, but ends up tied overall - apparently voters either luv NDSU or hate 'em...

I'd guess that it's a function of all the top teams winning this weekend, and some voters not wanting to move NDSU in front of teams that won.

Smitty
September 26th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Ah good to see I was not too far off with the picks this week.

superman7515
September 26th, 2011, 01:45 PM
Surprised to see the Bison at #4 with more 1st place votes than UNI and Montana St. Must've been quite a range that NDSU is being ranked at by the pollsters. #4 is good enough for me, there's still a lot to prove for all the teams before the polls start mattering for GPI and such.

Same number of points but more 1st place votes, I'd think that would be the tie-breaker and NDSU is the actual #3. Just my opinion.

BisonFan02
September 26th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Same number of points but more 1st place votes, I'd think that would be the tie-breaker and NDSU is the actual #3. Just my opinion.

This.

molly
September 26th, 2011, 01:47 PM
I'm surprised to see Lehigh with such a gap (in points that is) behind UNH. The game was essentially dead even and Lehigh hasn't done anything negative since.

I was a little surprised at that too. With 111 voters and point difference of 569, on average voters put Lehigh 5 spots behind UNH.

frozennorth
September 26th, 2011, 01:47 PM
I'd guess that it's a function of all the top teams winning this weekend, and some voters not wanting to move NDSU in front of teams that won.

When people post their rankings, you do tend to see ndsu around 10 more often
then asu, msu, or uni

Also, shouldn't ndsu and msu be tied for third?

Gil Dobie
September 26th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Interesting - NDSU gets 10 more 1st place votes than Montana State, but ends up tied overall - apparently voters either luv NDSU or hate 'em...

Most polls will show it as a tie. :)

Ivytalk
September 26th, 2011, 01:47 PM
I had Liberty out this week. Poll otherwise looks OK.

BisonFan02
September 26th, 2011, 01:48 PM
Same number of points but more 1st place votes, I'd think that would be the tie-breaker and NDSU is the actual #3. Just my opinion.

You could also just give us the North Dakota's points to break the tie. :D

AGSPoll
September 26th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Wow... someone gave SHSU a first-place vote.

Wonder who...??
typo sorry

bjtheflamesfan
September 26th, 2011, 01:56 PM
And now for my weekly flogging:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Appalachian State Mountaineers
3: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: William & Mary Tribe
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Sacramento State Hornets
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Maine Black Bears

Side Judge
September 26th, 2011, 01:57 PM
You could also just give us the North Dakota's points to break the tie. :D

At least until they change their nickname...

URMite
September 26th, 2011, 02:01 PM
And now for my weekly flogging:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Appalachian State Mountaineers
3: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: William & Mary Tribe
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Sacramento State Hornets
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Maine Black Bears

Hey! The only thing you got completely wrong this week was you left out Liberty...:D

dbackjon
September 26th, 2011, 02:07 PM
And now for my weekly flogging:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Appalachian State Mountaineers
3: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: William & Mary Tribe
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Sacramento State Hornets
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Maine Black Bears

No Liberty = good ;)

Your Montana>Sac State> Weber is backwards. Weber destroyed Sac State, Sac State destroyed Montana. Montana at 12 is far too high. In reality, all three should be in the 18-25 range, but in the Weber, Sac, Montana order

bjtheflamesfan
September 26th, 2011, 02:07 PM
lol...they arent worth a top 25 ranking at this point...if they get hot come conference play (and the bottom 5 have their usual upheaval) youll see em back in

jcmanson
September 26th, 2011, 02:14 PM
How did anyone vote for Liberty?

Rob Iola
September 26th, 2011, 02:22 PM
For once the "Most Significant Loss" selection is, well, significant...

BlueHenSinfonian
September 26th, 2011, 02:23 PM
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Towson Tigers
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Sacramento State Hornets
22: South Carolina State Bulldogs
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Old Dominion Monarchs

I'm not sure about all of the UNI love. What have they done but lost (albeit while keeping it close) to a FBS, and beat two 1-3 teams? I can seem some arguments to rank them, and I might have if I'd thought about it somewhere in the 20-25 range, but I don't see the justification for the top 5 nods. Of course, I guess the same could be argued about the Hens this year with regards to quality wins, but having seen UD play each game so far I've seen enough potential to put them where I have. Maybe I just need to find a way to watch some UNI games.

Go Lehigh TU owl
September 26th, 2011, 02:26 PM
My crack at it....

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Sam Houston State Bearkats
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Towson Tigers
23: Sacramento State Hornets
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

URMite
September 26th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Liberty? Seriously?


If you are going to put a 1-3 team in there, Cal Poly would smoke Liberty

No they wouldn't, Cal Poly would win 27-24 just like everybody else...xlolx

danefan
September 26th, 2011, 02:33 PM
My crack at it....

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Sam Houston State Bearkats
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Towson Tigers
23: Sacramento State Hornets
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

Why put Lehigh that much lower than UNH?

UNIFanSince1983
September 26th, 2011, 02:34 PM
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Towson Tigers
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Sacramento State Hornets
22: South Carolina State Bulldogs
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Old Dominion Monarchs

I'm not sure about all of the UNI love. What have they done but lost (albeit while keeping it close) to a FBS, and beat two 1-3 teams? I can seem some arguments to rank them, and I might have if I'd thought about it somewhere in the 20-25 range, but I don't see the justification for the top 5 nods. Of course, I guess the same could be argued about the Hens this year with regards to quality wins, but having seen UD play each game so far I've seen enough potential to put them where I have. Maybe I just need to find a way to watch some UNI games.

What has SIU or many other teams that you have ranked done either? Seriously. Who has ODU beat? Who has Delaware beat? Who has Towson Beat? Who has Jacksonville State Beat? Elon? Holy Cross? Montana State?

Go Lehigh TU owl
September 26th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Why put Lehigh that much lower than UNH?

I think UNH's celing is a little higher than Lehigh's by being in the CAA and having schollies. The teams themselves are very even imo.

crusader11
September 26th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Why put Lehigh that much lower than UNH?

Probably because UNH just beat Richmond and Lehigh doesn't have a marquis win aside from Liberty.

jlandrus23
September 26th, 2011, 02:46 PM
It's good to see my Sycamores in the top 25.

danefan
September 26th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Probably because UNH just beat Richmond and Lehigh doesn't have a marquis win aside from Liberty.

I guess, but I would have thought Lehigh's close game with UNH would have carried them along for the ride to some extent.

slostang
September 26th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Cal Poly may not deserve to be in the top 25 with a 1-3 record, but they are a good team that would beat a lot of teams that are ranked. Their 3 losses are against FBS San Diego State, Montana on the road and FBS Northern Illinois. I believe they will be ranked by the end of the season.

Fear the Bird
September 26th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Why is Weber St not ranked but Sac St and Montana are? I guess people only look at records and dont' realize both losses are FBS?

appfan2008
September 26th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Eat it up spit it out and pick at it... have fun...

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Richmond Spiders
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: Sam Houston State Bearkats
18: Towson Tigers
19: Elon Phoenix
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Furman Paladins

Fear the Bird
September 26th, 2011, 03:03 PM
Eat it up spit it out and pick at it... have fun...

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Richmond Spiders
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: Sam Houston State Bearkats
18: Towson Tigers
19: Elon Phoenix
20: Chattanooga Mocs21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Furman Paladins

I don't get this! And you clearly have homer So Con tendencies with Elon and Furman - what is everybody's obsession with Jacksonville St - do I have the score backwards from their Chattanooga game? Is Ryan Perriloux walking through that door?

UNI Pike
September 26th, 2011, 03:05 PM
I'm not sure about all of the UNI love. What have they done but lost (albeit while keeping it close) to a FBS, and beat two 1-3 teams? I can seem some arguments to rank them, and I might have if I'd thought about it somewhere in the 20-25 range, but I don't see the justification for the top 5 nods. Of course, I guess the same could be argued about the Hens this year with regards to quality wins, but having seen UD play each game so far I've seen enough potential to put them where I have. Maybe I just need to find a way to watch some UNI games.

I have watched 2 1/2 games (thanks to the NeuLion outage at the start of the season). By all rights, UNI should have won the Iowa State game. ISU's QB found a way to nail a 26 yard hail mary pass on 4 & 10. That was the 1 out 10 or 20 times that pass would have worked. But he did it, and they won. ISU is 3-0 heading to Texas.

I have seen QB Rennie improve his passing each game. Granted WIU will have 2 wins being the over/under for the year. But he has improved his mechanics each game. We actually have a power run game this year. The defense is improved over last year, with a slightly better effort out of the DBs to date. Main glaring weakness has been a wildly inconsistent punter, and short kickoff to the 10-15 yard line.

I am more comfortable with a top 10 ranking than #2. Don't see the Mo St Bears being that tough, but the Indiana State Trees look to be improved over last year. They will be a tough out - that would be the game I would start making serious judgements on.

WileECoyote06
September 26th, 2011, 03:17 PM
SCSU 69, Delaware State 0 <==> Delaware 45, Delaware State 0

SCSU also has a win over #39 BCU in Daytona. I know that they got in the poll; I just don't see how you can leave them off the ballots shown here.

MR. CHICKEN
September 26th, 2011, 03:18 PM
16140....MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS:......EASTERN WASHINGTON??????......DUH #22 TEAM FROM LAST WEEKS POLL...WHO WAS 0-3...TA BEGIN WHIFF.....AN' WAS BEATEN BAH...#3 MONTANA STATE....IS MO'S SIG??.....WHEN DUH #6 TEAM FROM LAST WEEK....RICHMOND...WAS BEATEN BAH LAST WEEKS #11...NEW HAMPSHIRE......ISN'T???........HOW ARE YE LADS.....COMIN' UP WHIFF DIS????............AWK!

superman7515
September 26th, 2011, 03:20 PM
I thought the Montana loss to Sac State was more significant than Eastern Washington.

BisonFan02
September 26th, 2011, 03:23 PM
16140....MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS:......EASTERN WASHINGTON??????......DUH #22 TEAM FROM LAST WEEKS POLL...WHO WAS 0-3...TA BEGIN WHIFF.....AN' WAS BEATEN BAH...#3 MONTANA STATE....IS MO'S SIG??.....WHEN DUH #6 TEAM FROM LAST WEEK....RICHMOND...WAS BEATEN BAH LAST WEEKS #11...NEW HAMPSHIRE......ISN'T???........HOW ARE YE LADS.....COMIN' UP WHIFF DIS????............AWK!

Good point. The reason why I think the EWU loss is the most significant is because since EWU is now 0-4 (0-2 in BSC), they are, for the most part, well on the outside looking in for the playoffs. Pretty significant for the defending champs this early in the year.

ursus arctos horribilis
September 26th, 2011, 03:29 PM
I thought the Montana loss to Sac State was more significant than Eastern Washington.

EWU just barely edged UM on that one by 4 votes. UM was leading in the early going yesterday. Richmond was a distant 3rd.

FargoBison
September 26th, 2011, 03:31 PM
SCSU 69, Delaware State 0 <==> Delaware 45, Delaware State 0

SCSU also has a win over #39 BCU in Daytona. I know that they got in the poll; I just don't see how you can leave them off the ballots shown here.

MEAC futility in non-conference and in the FCS playoff is a major reason why MEAC teams aren't getting much respect. Honestly, comparing scores is weak. If you want to be compared to UD, well the MEAC and SCSU have a ways to go.

unigriff
September 26th, 2011, 03:32 PM
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Towson Tigers
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Sacramento State Hornets
22: South Carolina State Bulldogs
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Old Dominion Monarchs

I'm not sure about all of the UNI love. What have they done but lost (albeit while keeping it close) to a FBS, and beat two 1-3 teams? I can seem some arguments to rank them, and I might have if I'd thought about it somewhere in the 20-25 range, but I don't see the justification for the top 5 nods. Of course, I guess the same could be argued about the Hens this year with regards to quality wins, but having seen UD play each game so far I've seen enough potential to put them where I have. Maybe I just need to find a way to watch some UNI games.

I'll try to take this as neutral as possible as an outsider and a coach who were to scout them.

They were preseason #4. Defending conference champions and returned virtually everyone (I think 18 of 22?) Their entire O line is back except all american TE. Defense was already good and actually this year at this point is a little down in stats, but its still early. They are good. This is the 2nd year for the pistol offense they are running and the QB is a great dual threat. Some would compare him to Amanti Edwards, others who have seen him play AGAINST Cam Newton in JC would say he is a carbon copy with lesser passing ability.

Their O-line continues to reload and be huge. Their new TE is a soph hometown product...6'4 and 255lb
With the LT and LG being 6'7/328 and 6'5 308 respectively with the C being 6'5/310 and the RT and RG being 6'5/276 and 6'7/300. The O-line blocking has been phenomenal so far and the reason Rennie hasn't thrown an INT yet and has had all day to run. Rennie's greatest attribute has been his passing ability. It was his achilles heel last year and that heel was pretty bad last year. He has made great strides with studying tape and the playbook and just having a year with the system under his belt. At this point last year we were way under on turnover margin this year UNI is hovering around +10 (without looking at stats).

They should have beaten Iowa State (who is 3-0) and lost to a QB who plays exactly like Rennie, who is hard to stop. They should be 3-0 honestly. I saw all 3 games and they are the real deal. They may not put up 600 yard rushing days or blow anyone out, but their defense is spectacular and quick. I would compare UNIs defense as a mix of LSU/Alabama type with the only average DB skill level of the Patriots (should be a whole lot better). The biggest games on the schedule remaining for UNI are @NDSU (personally im not worried bout this game. NDSU is not that good, most overrated team in the country imo, at home against Indiana State (too see how good the Sycs really are this year..i think its UNIs homecoming too). And at home against SIU. Outside those 3, UNI really should run the table quite easily if you've seen them play and the others in the conference.

As long as UNI doesn't let the hype of being top 5 again like in 2007 go to their heads, and play one game at a time. They will be very tough to beat anywhere.

Remaining schedule

@MSU (Bear Week)
vs. Ind. State (Homecoming)
@ SDSU
vs. SIU (Rivalry week)
@ NDSU (Bison's superbowl) (most likely could be for the conference title)
vs. YSU
vs. Southern Utah (senior night)
@ Illinois State.

MR. CHICKEN
September 26th, 2011, 03:34 PM
AH CAN BUY MONTANA...WHO @ LAST WEEK WAS #10.....BEIN' THUMPED BAH UNRANKED...SAC. STATE.......AN' EVEN DOUGH....DUH HORNETS...WERE UH LITTLE HARD ON DUH FBS BEEVES.......BUT DUH IGGLES....ARE UH DECIMATED BUNCH....WHIFF PLENTY O' LAND MINES....TA GO......RICHMOND ON DUH OTHERAH HAND.....HIGHEST RANKED TEAM TA LOSE.....AWK!

ursus arctos horribilis
September 26th, 2011, 03:44 PM
AH CAN BUY MONTANA...WHO @ LAST WEEK WAS #10.....BEIN' THUMPED BAH UNRANKED...SAC. STATE.......AN' EVEN DOUGH....DUH HORNETS...WERE UH LITTLE HARD ON DUH FBS BEEVES.......BUT DUH IGGLES....ARE UH DECIMATED BUNCH....WHIFF PLENTY O' LAND MINES....TA GO......RICHMOND ON DUH OTHERAH HAND.....HIGHEST RANKED TEAM TA LOSE.....AWK!

But lost to anther good and highly ranked team in the top conference. Not exactly surprising.

WileECoyote06
September 26th, 2011, 03:45 PM
MEAC futility in non-conference and in the FCS playoff is a major reason why MEAC teams aren't getting much respect. Honestly, comparing scores is weak. If you want to be compared to UD, well the MEAC and SCSU have a ways to go.

But some voters admittedly base their votes on the performance to this point in the year. At this point in the season we should have enough information to gauge whether a team is top 25 worthy. Everyone compares scores, even though it's not the greatest indicator. I'm sorry I'm noticing 25 points more in a win than the #5-#6 teams. By holding past performance against teams, then why is Towson being ranked so high? They haven't played anyone currently in the top 40?

Funny thing is I voted NDSU #1. Because a blowout win over Minnesota, is more impressive than an almost win over Iowa State; an overtime win over New Mexico or anything anybody else has done this year save UNH and JMU. If I judged NDSU off of their playoff success last year, I'd continue to leave Eastern Washington in my poll.

There is absolutely no logic to leaving SCSU out of your poll this week, based on last year's playoff results. If that's your criteria, then there are a whole bunch of teams that have no business in the top 25 either.

And no I'm not saying that SCSU can beat UD; I'm saying if UD had any gain from the DSU win, then so should SCSU. If not then UD should be diminished by SCSU having so thoroughly beaten DSU. You can't have it both ways.

Sidebar and funny story: A player for DSU claimed that UD was better than any MEAC team. The Orangeburg paper printed his remarks and his quote was used as locker room motivation. lol

frozennorth
September 26th, 2011, 03:49 PM
I'll try to take this as neutral as possible as an outsider and a coach who were to scout them.

They were preseason #4. Defending conference champions and returned virtually everyone (I think 18 of 22?) Their entire O line is back except all american TE. Defense was already good and actually this year at this point is a little down in stats, but its still early. They are good. This is the 2nd year for the pistol offense they are running and the QB is a great dual threat. Some would compare him to Amanti Edwards, others who have seen him play AGAINST Cam Newton in JC would say he is a carbon copy with lesser passing ability.

Their O-line continues to reload and be huge. Their new TE is a soph hometown product...6'4 and 255lb
With the LT and LG being 6'7/328 and 6'5 308 respectively with the C being 6'5/310 and the RT and RG being 6'5/276 and 6'7/300. The O-line blocking has been phenomenal so far and the reason Rennie hasn't thrown an INT yet and has had all day to run.

They should have beaten Iowa State (who is 3-0) and lost to a QB who plays exactly like Rennie, who is hard to stop. They should be 3-0 honestly. I saw all 3 games and they are the real deal. They may not put up 600 yard rushing days or blow anyone out, but their defense is spectacular and quick. I would compare UNIs defense as a mix of LSU/Alabama type with the only average DB skill level of the Patriots (should be a whole lot better). The biggest games on the schedule remaining for UNI are @NDSU (personally im not worried bout this game. NDSU is not that good, most overrated team in the country imo, at home against Indiana State (too see how good the Sycs really are this year..i think its UNIs homecoming too). And at home against SIU. Outside those 3, UNI really should run the table quite easily if you've seen them play and the others in the conference. 7 and 5 last year. Ndsu with no quarterback competence at all managed 9-5, and are also much improved and healthier this year.

MR. CHICKEN
September 26th, 2011, 03:49 PM
But lost to anther good and highly ranked team in the top conference. Not exactly surprising.


WHERE'S DUH UH-OH FACTOR IN LOSIN' TA HORNETS....WHO BEAT....OREGON STATE...xconfusedx....BRAWK!

Professor Chaos
September 26th, 2011, 04:01 PM
@MSU (Bear Week)
vs. Ind. State (Homecoming)
@ SDSU
vs. SIU (Rivalry week)
@ NDSU (Bison's superbowl) (most likely could be for the conference title)
vs. YSU
vs. Southern Utah (senior night)
@ Illinois State.
That's the same thing that team the Bison played last weekend said was NDSU's motivating factor. So the Bison have 2 Super Bowls this season... and neither is in the postseason. xrolleyesx

UNI Pike
September 26th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Tirrell should have had an INT this week - it bounced out of the WIU DB's hands, uncontested. That said, Tirrell's passing has improved.


After first 3 games UNI's TO margin compared to first 3 games of 2010 is about plus +15. It was that bad last year.

Twentysix
September 26th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Tirrell should have had an INT this week - it bounced out of the WIU DB's hands, uncontested. That said, Tirrell's passing has improved.


After first 3 games UNI's TO margin compared to first 3 games of 2010 is about plus +15. It was that bad last year.

Holy crap we have only forced 5. How many do you have????? Is your team on the path for +70 ???? I thought we did well ending the year over +10...+15 in 3 games is insane...





Just looked it up uni is +7 not +15.....

UNIFanSince1983
September 26th, 2011, 04:28 PM
Holy crap we have only forced 5. How many do you have????? Is your team on the path for +70 ???? I thought we did well ending the year over +10...+15 in 3 games is insane...

I believe he is comparing this year to last year. We are only like +7 this year, but were -8 or so at this point last year. So were are 15 TOs better this year compared to last.

Twentysix
September 26th, 2011, 04:30 PM
I believe he is comparing this year to last year. We are only like +7 this year, but were -8 or so at this point last year. So were are 15 TOs better this year compared to last.

That makes a lot more sense.. how did you lose to isu at +3?????

Side Judge
September 26th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Good point. The reason why I think the EWU loss is the most significant is because since EWU is now 0-4 (0-2 in BSC), they are, for the most part, well on the outside looking in for the playoffs. Pretty significant for the defending champs this early in the year.

Exactly how I see it - EWU could've rescued their season by winning out, but with this loss they're pretty much out of the playoffs (too much parity this season for a 7-4 team, even the defending champs, to make it as an at-large). Their only hope now is if they can win the BS with a 6-2 conference record, but their losses to Montana and Montana State means that both of the Montana teams have to lose 3 conference games (not to mention Weber, Sac State, and even PSU all being in the mix) - good luck...

UNI Pike
September 26th, 2011, 04:32 PM
We were -8 last year, and I would say that 5-6 of those were in the redzone. You would have thought we were playing with a greased watermelon.

UNIFanSince1983
September 26th, 2011, 04:36 PM
That makes a lot more sense.. how did you lose to isu at +3?????

I wish I knew. Mostly because it seems like at the end of big games anymore we play prevent defense. And Steele Jantz is a playmaker. He made tons of mistakes early, but every play they needed late he picked it up. It still pisses me off to be honest.

clenz
September 26th, 2011, 04:37 PM
That UD poster just went full retard....

OL FU
September 26th, 2011, 04:52 PM
It's good to see my Sycamores in the top 25.

I said it last week and I will say it again. After the struggles you guys had for so long, a big congrats.

WrenFGun
September 26th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Why put Lehigh that much lower than UNH?

Because UNH beat Lehigh and their other win is of higher quality than Lehigh's? Not to mention, both of UNH's wins are on the road..

bjtheflamesfan
September 26th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Im surprised my ballot isnt being ripped to shreds like all my other ones have been...

bjtheflamesfan
September 26th, 2011, 05:16 PM
No Liberty = good ;)

Your Montana>Sac State> Weber is backwards. Weber destroyed Sac State, Sac State destroyed Montana. Montana at 12 is far too high. In reality, all three should be in the 18-25 range, but in the Weber, Sac, Montana order

I dont think they would "smoke" Liberty. For many years they had to deal with a triple option offense at VMI so game planning for that wouldnt be a major stretch.

ngineer
September 26th, 2011, 05:47 PM
I thought the Montana loss to Sac State was more significant than Eastern Washington.

Agreed. That was my selection.

FargoBison
September 26th, 2011, 05:50 PM
But some voters admittedly base their votes on the performance to this point in the year. At this point in the season we should have enough information to gauge whether a team is top 25 worthy. Everyone compares scores, even though it's not the greatest indicator. I'm sorry I'm noticing 25 points more in a win than the #5-#6 teams. By holding past performance against teams, then why is Towson being ranked so high? They haven't played anyone currently in the top 40?

Funny thing is I voted NDSU #1. Because a blowout win over Minnesota, is more impressive than an almost win over Iowa State; an overtime win over New Mexico or anything anybody else has done this year save UNH and JMU. If I judged NDSU off of their playoff success last year, I'd continue to leave Eastern Washington in my poll.

There is absolutely no logic to leaving SCSU out of your poll this week, based on last year's playoff results. If that's your criteria, then there are a whole bunch of teams that have no business in the top 25 either.

And no I'm not saying that SCSU can beat UD; I'm saying if UD had any gain from the DSU win, then so should SCSU. If not then UD should be diminished by SCSU having so thoroughly beaten DSU. You can't have it both ways.

Sidebar and funny story: A player for DSU claimed that UD was better than any MEAC team. The Orangeburg paper printed his remarks and his quote was used as locker room motivation. lol

To be honest I had SCSU at #24, but it will be struggle for them to go higher because I have some questions/concerns about the MEAC and that hurts SCSU. I would never use comparative scores, I go by the full body of work and that is not limited to just this season at this point of year.

That said I could see why some would leave them off, at some point SCSU needs a quality win over a non-MEAC team.

UIWWildthing
September 26th, 2011, 05:51 PM
#22 for the Tigers, I like it.

crusader11
September 26th, 2011, 05:57 PM
W&M should be ranked in the 20s.

WileECoyote06
September 26th, 2011, 06:08 PM
To be honest I had SCSU at #24, but it will be struggle for them to go higher because I have some questions/concerns about the MEAC and that hurts SCSU. I would never use comparative scores, I go by the full body of work and that is not limited to just this season at this point of year.

That said I could see why some would leave them off, at some point SCSU needs a quality win over a non-MEAC team.

I don't have a problem with this thinking, as long as you hold teams from other one-bid conferences to this same thought process.

So SCSU hosts Ga. State this year; so if we'll see.

wmmii
September 26th, 2011, 06:27 PM
I thought the Montana loss to Sac State was more significant than Eastern Washington.

Agreed

PantherRob82
September 26th, 2011, 06:31 PM
I'm surprised to see Lehigh with such a gap (in points that is) behind UNH. The game was essentially dead even and Lehigh hasn't done anything negative since.

UNH has a better resume at this point. They beat Lehigh and just beat Richmond who was pretty highly ranked.

Squealofthepig
September 26th, 2011, 07:01 PM
UNH has a better resume at this point. They beat Lehigh and just beat Richmond who was pretty highly ranked.

Agree. I have UNH higher based on better body of work (though it's only four spots on my ballot). Add in the fact that they won, on the road, at Lehigh, in OT and you can argue for one to ten or twelve spots behind UNH.

superman7515
September 26th, 2011, 07:25 PM
I don't have a problem with this thinking, as long as you hold teams from other one-bid conferences to this same thought process.

So SCSU hosts Ga. State this year; so if we'll see.

No offense WileE, I had South Carolina State in my Top 25, but Georgia State is a second year program that isn't in a conference. I don't think that's what many of the voters are looking for. The South Carolina State vs Norfolk State game this week will be better, in my opinion, for SC State than Georgia State. Norfolk State only has one loss, to West Virginia in a game that NSU was actually winning at halftime, and a win over Charleston Southern, which although Chuck South is not an impressive team, it's still a non-conference win over a team from a playoff participating FCS conference. If NSU doesn't get an upset, SC State should run the table. Anything less would be disappointing for them as their toughest opponent after that is a FAMU team, in South Carolina, that looks to be having a down year to this point.

clenz
September 26th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Im surprised my ballot isnt being ripped to shreds like all my other ones have been...
Had that one UD poster not gone full retard with leaving UNI off completely I'd break yours down again....

ursus arctos horribilis
September 26th, 2011, 08:44 PM
Had that one UD poster not gone full retard with leaving UNI off completely I'd break yours down again....

I think he may not have changed it but we did catch one that didn't have UNI on it and pm'd and he said he just made a mistake and we corrected it. I don't know if it's the one you are refering to but I assume it is.

bojeta
September 26th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Cal Poly may not deserve to be in the top 25 with a 1-3 record, but they are a good team that would beat a lot of teams that are ranked. Their 3 losses are against FBS San Diego State, Montana on the road and FBS Northern Illinois. I believe they will be ranked by the end of the season.

I agree, but have no problem with the current rankings. In fact, our boys have the perfect opportunity to prove they belong in the rankings. It's just going to take another two weeks to get the chance. Bye this week followed by Central OK which won't count. Then it's highly ranked Southern Utah, followed by #37 North Dakota and then top 25 South Dakota. Should be in the rankings by then. If so, it's on to UC Davis for a shot at the Great West title followed by Eastern WA and finally South Alabama. I'm confident they can run the remainder of the schedule and make the playoffs.

bojeta
September 26th, 2011, 09:30 PM
Why is Weber St not ranked but Sac St and Montana are? I guess people only look at records and dont' realize both losses are FBS?

Totally agree!! They're #12 in my poll.

BlueHenSinfonian
September 26th, 2011, 09:31 PM
I think he may not have changed it but we did catch one that didn't have UNI on it and pm'd and he said he just made a mistake and we corrected it. I don't know if it's the one you are refering to but I assume it is.

It was me, I didn't get a PM, and I didn't change it. That being said, there are good arguments for UNI being ranked, but I tried to do my poll this week based more on success this year than carryover from the preseason poll, and I just didn't think of UNI as I was filling out the ballot. I don't think they are a top 10 team yet, but that could easily change. I've had a couple teams that have dropped in, out, and back into my rankings so far already. I had UNI ranked until this week, and dropping them out after a win seems off, but it had more to do with my changing my system than anything else. Mine is just one vote out of many, and from the results a lot of people obviously believe UNI is something special this year. I'm going to see if I can catch the streaming feed for the MO State game, and if not I'll definitely be able to watch the Indiana State and/or SDSU games. I think there are some teams others are sleeping on, like Holy Cross, Weber State, and Maine that are solid top 25 teams right now. It's still early in the season - I have nothing against UNI, and I'll have no problem tossing them back in based on performance in the coming weeks.

blackfordpu
September 26th, 2011, 10:18 PM
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats.

I can't believe I am the first person to bring this up but here it goes. While I appreciate the respect and recognition of what SHSU has done so far, we are not the second best team in the nation. We have put together three straight good games and have shown the ability to be something special but this team needs to do more before being ranked among the best. I think #13 is too high, I was thinking #15 at best.

But I guess that is why I now leave the voting to you guys, I don't have the time to do it responsibly.

BlueHenSinfonian
September 26th, 2011, 10:37 PM
I can't believe I am the first person to bring this up but here it goes. While I appreciate the respect and recognition of what SHSU has done so far, we are not the second best team in the nation. We have put together three straight good games and have shown the ability to be something special but this team needs to do more before being ranked among the best. I think #13 is too high, I was thinking #15 at best.

But I guess that is why I now leave the voting to you guys, I don't have the time to do it responsibly.

Three DI wins, including one FBS, and no losses. I think NDSU is the only other school that can claim that, and while it's a tough comparison, I think I gave the edge to WIU and UCA vs SFPA and Lafayette as far as quality of wins. It's an early poll, but I don't see SHSU having to fight for their lives until the McNeese game.

UNIFanSince1983
September 26th, 2011, 10:40 PM
It was me, I didn't get a PM, and I didn't change it. That being said, there are good arguments for UNI being ranked, but I tried to do my poll this week based more on success this year than carryover from the preseason poll, and I just didn't think of UNI as I was filling out the ballot. I don't think they are a top 10 team yet, but that could easily change. I've had a couple teams that have dropped in, out, and back into my rankings so far already. I had UNI ranked until this week, and dropping them out after a win seems off, but it had more to do with my changing my system than anything else. Mine is just one vote out of many, and from the results a lot of people obviously believe UNI is something special this year. I'm going to see if I can catch the streaming feed for the MO State game, and if not I'll definitely be able to watch the Indiana State and/or SDSU games. I think there are some teams others are sleeping on, like Holy Cross, Weber State, and Maine that are solid top 25 teams right now. It's still early in the season - I have nothing against UNI, and I'll have no problem tossing them back in based on performance in the coming weeks.

So you vote Sam Houston State as #2? They have an OT win over a winless and terrible FBS team and two wins over 1-3 teams including one we also have a win over. And we actually beat that same team worse (not that that should hold much water as a win is a win).

We have a win over a same team as SHSU. And over another 1-3 Southland team. They have a win over a 1-3 Southland team also, but it was at home while ours was on the road. Arguably SFA and UCA are very similar teams. So it boils down to the fact that you respect a 3 point overtime win over a terrible FBS team more than a 1 pt loss to an undefeated FBS team. In fact you respect that so much more that they are #2 and we don't even sniff your top 25...

I am not trying to degrade SHSU either as I have them at 11, but just trying to see your thinking as I feel our resume is just about the same as theirs (other than them actually beating their FBS opponent).

Edit: Like you say though you are just one vote, and we do have plenty of time to prove ourselves throughout the season.

BlueHenSinfonian
September 26th, 2011, 10:53 PM
I am not trying to degrade SHSU either as I have them at 11, but just trying to see your thinking as I feel our resume is just about the same as theirs (other than them actually beating their FBS opponent).


That was pretty much the deciding factor for me, though I do see your point that Iowa State is a stronger team than New Mexico. There are a bunch of 2-1 teams right now, and UNI sort of got lost in the shuffle for me.

McNeese75
September 26th, 2011, 10:59 PM
So you vote Sam Houston State as #2? They have an OT win over a winless and terrible FBS team and two wins over 1-3 teams including one we also have a win over. And we actually beat that same team worse (not that that should hold much water as a win is a win).

We have a win over a same team as SHSU. And over another 1-3 Southland team. They have a win over a 1-3 Southland team also, but it was at home while ours was on the road. Arguably SFA and UCA are very similar teams. So it boils down to the fact that you respect a 3 point overtime win over a terrible FBS team more than a 1 pt loss to an undefeated FBS team. In fact you respect that so much more that they are #2 and we don't even sniff your top 25...

I am not trying to degrade SHSU either as I have them at 11, but just trying to see your thinking as I feel our resume is just about the same as theirs (other than them actually beating their FBS opponent).

Edit: Like you say though you are just one vote, and we do have plenty of time to prove ourselves throughout the season.

xrolleyesx Seriously??? You are going to nit pick his vote when your team is #2 in the Poll?

molly
September 26th, 2011, 11:12 PM
xrolleyesx Seriously??? You are going to nit pick his vote when your team is #2 in the Poll?

I don't see it as nitpicking because BHS started the discussion by saying, "I'm not sure about all of the UNI love. What have they done but lost (albeit while keeping it close) to a FBS, and beat two 1-3 teams? I can seem some arguments to rank them, and I might have if I'd thought about it somewhere in the 20-25 range, but I don't see the justification for the top 5 nods."

UNI fans should provide justification for him.

PantherRob82
September 26th, 2011, 11:22 PM
xrolleyesx Seriously??? You are going to nit pick his vote when your team is #2 in the Poll?

...and honestly there isn't much point in saying anything to him about UNI. If he doesn't follow things close enough to know that UNI is easily a Top 10 team, let alone Top 25, then what's the point?

Twentysix
September 26th, 2011, 11:24 PM
...and honestly there isn't much point in saying anything to him about UNI. If he doesn't follow things close enough to know that UNI is easily a Top 10 team, let alone Top 25, then what's the point?

Honestly 1/3 of the voter's don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. I wouldnt be so upset over one guy.

Squealofthepig
September 27th, 2011, 12:03 AM
Honestly 1/3 of the voter's don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. I wouldnt be so upset over one guy.

Sure we do! UND is Notre Dame!

Right? Right? Fellas? Why do I hear crickets?

ursus arctos horribilis
September 27th, 2011, 12:05 AM
Honestly 1/3 of the voter's don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. I wouldnt be so upset over one guy.

Well at least as far as voting they do. There was ONE UND vote in the top 5 that was caught and corrected. That is exactly the same number of mistakes in the case of Georgia St. and Georgia Southern which was also caught and corrected.

That's well less than 1% that even made the mistake...unles you think I should swap some of the UND #25 votes for your higher ranking?:D

ursus arctos horribilis
September 27th, 2011, 12:09 AM
Sure we do! UND is Notre Dame!

Right? Right? Fellas? Why do I hear crickets?

I'm not sure how you can even hear them with the sound of that gigantic bomb that just landed back there.:o

HensRock
September 27th, 2011, 12:18 AM
I think Chattanooga dropped too far in this poll. People tend to see black and white in terms of wins and losses. I listened to the game @ASU and it was very evenly matched. The difference was the twelfth man in KBS.
So I ranked ASU and UTC very close together.

tribefan40
September 27th, 2011, 09:56 AM
W&M should be ranked in the 20s.

A 15-20 spot drop for a 6-point loss to a top 12 team? While I think our current ranking is more indicative of the team we have had to this point, I also think we can be much better than what we've shown.

andy7171
September 27th, 2011, 10:11 AM
I kept Chattanooga at #11, Appy moved up one spot to #5 on my sheet.

molly
September 27th, 2011, 10:16 AM
A 15-20 spot drop for a 6-point loss to a top 12 team? While I think our current ranking is more indicative of the team we have had to this point, I also think we can be much better than what we've shown.

It's only that big of a drop if you think W&M should've been in the top 6 before the game. I certainly didn't. Based on W&M's performance to this point, I think somewhere in the 20s is about right, and not necessarily in the low-20s.

Dgreenwell3
September 27th, 2011, 11:43 AM
Three DI wins, including one FBS, and no losses. I think NDSU is the only other school that can claim that, and while it's a tough comparison, I think I gave the edge to WIU and UCA vs SFPA and Lafayette as far as quality of wins. It's an early poll, but I don't see SHSU having to fight for their lives until the McNeese game.
Indiana State has that resume.
OAS AAS LLS

dbackjon
September 27th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Indiana State has that resume.
OAS AAS LLS

Yes you do

Dgreenwell3
September 27th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Actually we did lose a game to Penn State. Granted it's Penn State.

Twentysix
September 27th, 2011, 10:22 PM
I kept Chattanooga at #11, Appy moved up one spot to #5 on my sheet.

Towson is in my top 25 arent you proud!

crusader11
September 27th, 2011, 10:57 PM
A 15-20 spot drop for a 6-point loss to a top 12 team? While I think our current ranking is more indicative of the team we have had to this point, I also think we can be much better than what we've shown.

W&M shouldn't have been a top 10 team after a 17-13 win over New Haven.

Fear the Bird
September 27th, 2011, 11:07 PM
W&M shouldn't have been a top 10 team after a 17-13 win over New Haven.

But they were so why the large drop now? And if they are so bad why was JMU rewarded for beating them

Squealofthepig
September 27th, 2011, 11:17 PM
But they were so why the large drop now? And if they are so bad why was JMU rewarded for beating them

Just to be devil's advocate, I imagine the loss - at home - was a big part of that. Personally, I didn't ding W&M nearly as much as other voters (I had them lower the previous week than voters overall had, and just one spot higher in my ballot this week), and I had JMU a bit higher (moved from 9 to 6 on my ballot - a road win in the CAA over a ranked team is solid; I had them jumping over App and Wofford (not super-impressive wins) and had Richmond drop down after their loss).

phoenix3
September 28th, 2011, 08:04 AM
Eat it up spit it out and pick at it... have fun...

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Richmond Spiders
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: Sam Houston State Bearkats
18: Towson Tigers
19: Elon Phoenix
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Furman Paladins

Wow! Thanks for the confidence! But, I don't think Elon has done anything to earn a spot in the top 25. (Maybe not in the top 40). Until we learn to punch the ball in the endzone from inside the 20, we haven't earned it.

andy7171
September 28th, 2011, 08:26 AM
Towson is in my top 25 arent you proud!
xnodx

NDSU is my #2. Happy? :D

tribefan40
September 28th, 2011, 08:47 AM
W&M shouldn't have been a top 10 team after a 17-13 win over New Haven.


But they were so why the large drop now? And if they are so bad why was JMU rewarded for beating them

It was 13-10, and I agree and ranked them outside the top-10. I also had them mid-teens after a close loss to what is now a top-10 team, was a top-15 team. With a complete lack of offense to this point we are 2-2, a small miracle in my mind, and should be on the up from here. It will shake out in time, but I think we're right where we should be in the polls. xtwocentsx

GaSouthern
September 28th, 2011, 08:49 AM
If we can beat Elon and blow out the all mighty Chattanooga Mocs from the SEC then I think we deserve our #1 ranking but i'm still not sold until after that game.

gomocs79
September 28th, 2011, 12:20 PM
If we can beat Elon and blow out the all mighty Chattanooga Mocs from the SEC then I think we deserve our #1 ranking but i'm still not sold until after that game.

Not sure where this SEC talk is coming from. We are just hoping to hold GSU under 700 yards rushing and 65 points and maybe get a couple of field goals that don't have any botched snaps.

Fear the Bird
September 28th, 2011, 12:35 PM
Not sure where this SEC talk is coming from. We are just hoping to hold GSU under 700 yards rushing and 65 points and maybe get a couple of field goals that don't have any botched snaps.

You will get the reference soon enough

ursus arctos horribilis
September 28th, 2011, 01:26 PM
You will get the reference soon enoughxlolx
The dude makes an impact.

Glad to see another Moc fan join the party! Welcome to you gomocs.

URMite
September 28th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Not sure where this SEC talk is coming from. We are just hoping to hold GSU under 700 yards rushing and 65 points and maybe get a couple of field goals that don't have any botched snaps.

I guess you haven't seen any "Lucky" threads yet, have you?

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:14 PM
1. Northern Iowa
2. Montana State
3. New Hampshire
4. Deleware
5. NDSU
6. wofford
7. James Madison
8. Richmond
9. Appalachian State
10. William and Mary
11. Chattanooga
12. Georgia Southern
13. Jacksonville State
14. Lehigh
15. Southern Illinois
16. Mcneese State
17. Montana
18. Sam Houston State
29. Towson
20. Furman
21. Indiana State
22. Southern Utah
23. Elon
24. Coastal Carolina
25. Portland State

BisonFan02
September 28th, 2011, 03:29 PM
1. Northern Iowa
2. Montana State
3. New Hampshire
4. Deleware
5. Wofford
6. James Madison
7. Richmond
8. Appalachian State
9. William and Mary
10. Chattanooga
11. Richmond
12. Georgia Southern
13. Jacksonville State
14. Lehigh
15. Southern Illinois
16. Mcneese State
17. Montana
18. Sam Houston State
19. Towson
20. Furman
21. Indiana State
22. Southern Utah
23. Elon
24. Coastal Carolina
25. Portland State

What? Not feeling the love for NDSU...I guess we are only 3-0 with a FBS win....

BisonFan02
September 28th, 2011, 03:34 PM
What? Not feeling the love for NDSU...I guess we are only 3-0 with a FBS win....

....and Georgia Southern 12th? Trollin' much?

Fear the Bird
September 28th, 2011, 03:36 PM
....and Georgia Southern 12th? Trollin' much?

Not sure where his NDSU hate stems from but the GSU I'm sure is b/c, just like App, he thinks his squad is better and will prove them to be overrated next week

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:39 PM
What? Not feeling the love for NDSU...I guess we are only 3-0 with a FBS win....

I forgot about them.

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Im just trying to figure out what Georgia Southern done recently that makes it an insult not to rank them at number 1.

Fear the Bird
September 28th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Im just trying to figure out what Georgia Southern done recently that makes it an insult not to rank them at number 1.

You don't have to rank them #1, there are plenty of people out there who didn't, but 12, behind Chatty? Stop it

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:43 PM
You don't have to rank them #1, there are plenty of people out there who didn't, but 12, behind Chatty? Stop it

Apparently I must have missed why they are better than Chatty. Like I said before. They must be number 1 because they are the overwhelming choice. Unless of course the masses are way off.

BisonFan02
September 28th, 2011, 03:44 PM
You don't have to rank them #1, there are plenty of people out there who didn't, but 12, behind Chatty? Stop it

Also, Richmond is so good that they are ranked both 7th and 11th ahead of GA Southern.

TheRevSFA
September 28th, 2011, 03:44 PM
What has Chatty done to prove they should be ranked above Ga Southern

BisonFan02
September 28th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Apparently I must have missed why they are better than Chatty. Like I said before. They must be number 1 because they are the overwhelming choice. Unless of course the masses are way off.

What has William & Mary done?

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:48 PM
What has Chatty done to prove they should be ranked above Ga Southern

They dont need to prove it. It is an opinion.

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:48 PM
What has William & Mary done?

Nothing, I just think they are good.

TheRevSFA
September 28th, 2011, 03:49 PM
They dont need to prove it. It is an opinion.

Usually when you do a poll..you kinda want to have a little bit of fact behind where you rank someone. You could vote EWU number one, because even though they are 0-4, in your opinion they are going to come back and win the national championship.

At least you didn't put UT-C 3rd

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Usually when you do a poll..you kinda want to have a little bit of fact behind where you rank someone. You could vote EWU number one, because even though they are 0-4, in your opinion they are going to come back and win the national championship.

At least you didn't put UT-C 3rd

There is certainly no fact that would put Georgia Southern anywhere near number 1. They have faced one of the weakest schedules in the nation. Chattanooga has faced one of the hardest.

TheRevSFA
September 28th, 2011, 04:02 PM
There is certainly no fact that would put Georgia Southern anywhere near number 1. They have faced one of the weakest schedules in the nation. Chattanooga has faced one of the hardest.

True..they played a DII school and beat up on 2 of their conference mates to be 2-0...but you have to look down the line. They go to App State and Wofford, and they play Alabama...

However, with the exception of GA Southern and Wofford, Chatty has played the meat of their schedule..so does this mean slowly that GA southern will rise in your poll if they keep winning? What about after they beat you...or will you have the same argument you had for the loss against ASU

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 04:17 PM
True..they played a DII school and beat up on 2 of their conference mates to be 2-0...but you have to look down the line. They go to App State and Wofford, and they play Alabama...

However, with the exception of GA Southern and Wofford, Chatty has played the meat of their schedule..so does this mean slowly that GA southern will rise in your poll if they keep winning? What about after they beat you...or will you have the same argument you had for the loss against ASU

If Chattanooga clearly outplays Georgia Southern and loses the game on a couple fluke plays, then yes. But Flukes are flukes because they are rare.

asumike83
September 28th, 2011, 04:23 PM
If Chattanooga clearly outplays Georgia Southern and loses the game on a couple fluke plays, then yes. But Flukes are flukes because they are rare.

Except that you have used that same excuse for both losses to ASU and the Jacksonville State game last year. 3X in just over 1 year is not all that rare. How many times do these things have to happen before it stops being a fluke and starts being a pattern for UTC? Top 10 teams don't make a habit of blowing leads in the 4th Quarter.

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 04:26 PM
Except that you have used that same excuse for both losses to ASU and the Jacksonville State game last year. 3X in just over 1 year is not all that rare. How many times do these things have to happen before it stops being a fluke and starts being a pattern for UTC? Top 10 teams don't make a habit of blowing leads in the 4th Quarter.

You are so wrong If the other team is ranked in the top 5, how would that prove they arent in the top 10? What is hard for you to understand? There have been alot of luke plays for App state the last 2 years. Jacksonville State wasnt necessarily a true fluke but they won on a blown coverage, not on a great play by them.

asumike83
September 28th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Flukes are flukes because they are rare.


There have been alot of luke plays for App state the last 2 years.

You DO have a future in politics. Both said within 10 minutes of each other no less, nicely done!

Milktruck74
September 28th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Except that you have used that same excuse for both losses to ASU and the Jacksonville State game last year. 3X in just over 1 year is not all that rare. How many times do these things have to happen before it stops being a fluke and starts being a pattern for UTC? Top 10 teams don't make a habit of blowing leads in the 4th Quarter.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Chattown, but the two plays were flukes....However, great teams seem to make sure the fluke plays go their way. And nobody wins a conference or national championship without being lucky once or twice during the season. App has several conference championships and a few more NCs to go with, so obviously they have been lucky a bunch. Great teams get the bounces/breaks, thats just the way it is. Chattanooga is very good team, and will probably see a few of those fluke/lucky plays bounce their way this year. I just hope it is against Woffy or GSU!!!!

chattownmocs
September 28th, 2011, 04:38 PM
You DO have a future in politics. Both said within 10 minutes of each other no less, nicely done!

I meant specifically against Chattanooga. Sometimes you are snake bit. Sometimes you have a lucky streak. But the plays that have happened in those 2 games were extremely rare and fluky.

THE HERD
September 28th, 2011, 05:40 PM
I'll try to take this as neutral as possible as an outsider and a coach who were to scout them.

They were preseason #4. Defending conference champions and returned virtually everyone (I think 18 of 22?) Their entire O line is back except all american TE. Defense was already good and actually this year at this point is a little down in stats, but its still early. They are good. This is the 2nd year for the pistol offense they are running and the QB is a great dual threat. Some would compare him to Amanti Edwards, others who have seen him play AGAINST Cam Newton in JC would say he is a carbon copy with lesser passing ability.

Their O-line continues to reload and be huge. Their new TE is a soph hometown product...6'4 and 255lb
With the LT and LG being 6'7/328 and 6'5 308 respectively with the C being 6'5/310 and the RT and RG being 6'5/276 and 6'7/300. The O-line blocking has been phenomenal so far and the reason Rennie hasn't thrown an INT yet and has had all day to run. Rennie's greatest attribute has been his passing ability. It was his achilles heel last year and that heel was pretty bad last year. He has made great strides with studying tape and the playbook and just having a year with the system under his belt. At this point last year we were way under on turnover margin this year UNI is hovering around +10 (without looking at stats).

They should have beaten Iowa State (who is 3-0) and lost to a QB who plays exactly like Rennie, who is hard to stop. They should be 3-0 honestly. I saw all 3 games and they are the real deal. They may not put up 600 yard rushing days or blow anyone out, but their defense is spectacular and quick. I would compare UNIs defense as a mix of LSU/Alabama type with the only average DB skill level of the Patriots (should be a whole lot better). The biggest games on the schedule remaining for UNI are @NDSU (personally im not worried bout this game. NDSU is not that good, most overrated team in the country imo, at home against Indiana State (too see how good the Sycs really are this year..i think its UNIs homecoming too). And at home against SIU. Outside those 3, UNI really should run the table quite easily if you've seen them play and the others in the conference.

As long as UNI doesn't let the hype of being top 5 again like in 2007 go to their heads, and play one game at a time. They will be very tough to beat anywhere.

Remaining schedule

@MSU (Bear Week)
vs. Ind. State (Homecoming)
@ SDSU
vs. SIU (Rivalry week)
@ NDSU (Bison's superbowl) (most likely could be for the conference title)
vs. YSU
vs. Southern Utah (senior night)
@ Illinois State.

I don't quite get it? You say NDSU is not that good and we are overrated, yet you say the game with us will be for the conference title??? I guess the MVFC should send out the trophy right now to UNI. Also you might be overlooking SUU.

UNIFanSince1983
September 28th, 2011, 05:55 PM
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