NDSU tuition to rise 8.8%!!

[darell1976]

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/318683/


North Dakota State University will make its case on Monday for an 8.8 percent tuition increase, the only state university to deviate from a 2.5 percent cap.

Are other FCS schools seeing such an increase, and also will this increase affect athletics either at NDSU or any other school that is seeing a rise in tuition?

Mods I didn't know what forum to put this in so you may move it if needed.

[93henfan]

Pretty standard increase. UD's last increase was 9% for out of state students and 5.8% for Delaware students:

http://www.udreview.com/news/tuition-continues-to-increase-1.1550993

[bkrownd]

Young people now are getting taken for all the debt they can rack up. They know you won't dare drop out, so why not make the prices (tuition,fees,room-and-board) as high as possible? When I was an undergrad not very long ago you could easily pay Big Ten tuition and textbooks on a part time $3.50 an hour job, and still have plenty of money left to have a car, an apartment and party 3 nights a week. Smaller state schools were even cheaper. Welcome to the new indentured servitude - debt up to your eyeballs at a young age.

[89Hen]

I root for Maryland to jack their tuition as high as possible. I did a pre-paid program about 8 years ago for my kids. They get the Maryland dollars no matter where they go, so I want UM to be as high as possible.

[darell1976]

My nephew is starting school this fall at North Dakota and I feel sorry for the bill that awaits for him at the end of his 4 years there.

[TheBisonator]

Tuition is being raised that high cause the idiotic ND legislature fails to fund NDSU and UND equally.

[darell1976]

Tuition is being raised that high cause the idiotic ND legislature fails to fund NDSU and UND equally.

I read that on Bisonville....IMO they are 4 year schools why aren't they funded equally?

[93henfan]

Tuition is being raised that high cause the idiotic ND legislature fails to fund NDSU and UND equally.


Isn't NDSU basically a farm school? It's a lot cheaper to fund hay than laboratory equipment and IT infrastructure like they need in Grand Forks.


(I keed, I keed.)

[TheBisonator]

I read that on Bisonville....IMO they are 4 year schools why aren't they funded equally?

I can't say why the tiny schools get funded more per their peers, all I can say is that it would be only fair and just if NDSU and UND were funded completely equally, to within the limit of a difference of maybe no more than 1,000 in enrollment. (enrollment b/w the two schools may fluctuate in the future, and both schools may remain incredibly close in enrollment) Of course, this would exclude UND's med/law programs and NDSU's ag exstension programs.

UND getting $180 million in the last biennium from the state government and NDSU getting $120 million during that biennium. With NDSU teaching 4,000 more total on-campus students during that time frame than UND and employing 200 less faculty than UND. Then people wonder why NDSU is forced to raise tuition by 8.8 percent.

ON EDIT: The money figures are for NEXT biennium, not last.

[TheBisonator]

Somebody posted this somewhere else:

Head count enrollment Spring 2011
NDSU 13,533
UND 13,458

Full Time Equivalent enrollment
NDSU 11,735
UND 11,256

http://ndus.edu/uploads/reports/73/s...nt-summary.pdf

Not only does UND have a lot of part-time students, many of them never visit campus.

Face-to-Face On-campus (Headcount) Fall 2010
NDSU 13,798
UND 11,885

http://ndus.edu/uploads/reports/28/r...port-final.pdf

NDSU will receive about $120 million to educate students in the next biennium, UND about $180 million. This doesn’t include capital expenses.

NDSU has a larger student body. And is significantly larger if you count bodies per hour on campus.

Yet they have 200 fewer faculty and staff.

Sorry, but this is outrageous.

[darell1976]

Isn't NDSU basically a farm school? It's a lot cheaper to fund hay than laboratory equipment and IT infrastructure like they need in Grand Forks.


(I keed, I keed.)

But now both schools are basically equal in students and facilty with NDSU a little bit higher than UND. UND has traditionally been the higher enrolled school in the Dakota's, but now NDSU has taken over. Unless they see UND having the Law, Medical, and Aerospace more important to fund than farming.

Edit: you beat me to it Bisonator

[TheBisonator]

But now both schools are basically equal in students and facilty with NDSU a little bit higher than UND. UND has traditionally been the higher enrolled school in the Dakota's, but now NDSU has taken over. Unless they see UND having the Law, Medical, and Aerospace more important to fund than farming.

Edit: you beat me to it Bisonator

Don't forget NDSU is involved in a LOT more research than UND.

NDSU does have a pretty sweet technology park. I don't know if it's bigger than UND's, but it's a lot newer. NDSU has more computer-related research and teaching than UND as well.

[darell1976]

Don't forget NDSU is involved in a LOT more research than UND.

NDSU does have a pretty sweet technology park. I don't know if it's bigger than UND's, but it's a lot newer. NDSU has more computer-related research and teaching than UND as well.

How about this...start closing these 2 year schools and up the funding for the 4 year schools and don't have a tuition increase. I wonder if that would work.

[TheBisonator]

Isn't NDSU basically a farm school? It's a lot cheaper to fund hay than laboratory equipment and IT infrastructure like they need in Grand Forks.


(I keed, I keed.)

Heck, my NDSU degree was in art (BFA). NDSU is waaaay more than ag, so much so that the ag college division isn't even in the top-3 colleges on campus anymore. The most studied topics at NDSU right now seem to be business administration and any form of engineering.

[TheBisonator]

How about this...start closing these 2 year schools and up the funding for the 4 year schools and don't have a tuition increase. I wonder if that would work.

Close Lake Region, Bottineau, Williston, Mayville and Valley City is what I would do.

Make it so ND has two institutes of higher learning in three categories:

Doctoral-research national schools (co-flagships): UND and NDSU

Regional masters schools: Dickinson State and Minot State

Vocational/technical 2-yeartrade/feeder schools: Bismarck State and Science (Wahpeton)

Everything else can be shut down in my opinion.

[darell1976]

Close Lake Region, Bottineau, Williston, Mayville and Valley City, Jamestown is what I would do.

Make it so ND has two institutes of higher learning in three categories:

Doctoral-research national schools (co-flagships): UND and NDSU

Regional masters schools: Dickinson State and Minot State

Vocational/technical 2-yeartrade/feeder schools: Bismarck State and Science (Wahpeton)

Everything else can be shut down in my opinion.

Fixed your post....looks good to me of course I am not in the ND senate or reps.

[TheBisonator]

Fixed your post....looks good to me of course I am not in the ND senate or reps.

Jamestown (and Mary) are private. They can do whatever the hell they want to do.

[darell1976]

Jamestown (and Mary) are private. They can do whatever the hell they want to do.

I didn't know Jamestown was private. Oh well cut their funding and give it the big boys.xlolx

[The Eagle's Cliff]

Maybe you guys could get your Senator to tax something to help out the college students:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.timesunion.com%2Fteaparty%2F democrat-wants-mileage-tax%2F2577%2F&ei=vHzETeDAMYHogQfbqYzLBA&usg=AFQjCNHCw9ZygVDLHHUHUEAh8et2x9crAw

[JSU02]

12.8% hike @ Jax State

[darell1976]

I guess when the schools see a decrease in enrollment every year they will finally put a stop on tuition hikes.

[Twentysix]

I guess when the schools see a decrease in enrollment every year they will finally put a stop on tuition hikes.

Tuition hikes are being caused by the legislature. In the past there has been a Tuition freeze. (which is 2.5% i think)

[clenz]

5% at UNI.

[NoCoDanny]

I hope this turns into a pissing contest! Those are really valuable to the community!

[citdog]

I am suprised that jbb isn't calling for the Bison to raise their tuition just a little bit higher so they can beat the Sioux.

[No_Skill]

Maybe you guys could get your Senator to tax something to help out the college students:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.timesunion.com%2Fteaparty%2F democrat-wants-mileage-tax%2F2577%2F&ei=vHzETeDAMYHogQfbqYzLBA&usg=AFQjCNHCw9ZygVDLHHUHUEAh8et2x9crAw

That article is high-larious! I like how he assumes people living in small towns are poor. xlolxxlolx

[JSUBison]

How about this...start closing these 2 year schools and up the funding for the 4 year schools and don't have a tuition increase. I wonder if that would work.

It would be nice if Mayville could be folded into UND somehow, and Valley City with NDSU. I know the issue with the schools being written into the constitution presents some barriers though. But why can't UND admin and NDSU admin run those schools, cut duplicate programs, save on admin, and make the Mayville/VC schools for a specific course of studies? The schools would remain open in compliance with the constitution, but should save some $.

What confuses me the most in all this is why does North Dakota of all places have a FORESTRY school (Bottineau)? Just as well create a university specializing in marine biology in Minnewauken for the sense that makes.

[kalm]

Affordable or free education reduces wealth inequality and stimulates the economy by increasing upward mobility for the working poor and middle class and by providing the private sector with a more highly skilled and productive workforce.

Therefore tuition increases make sense as the middle class shrinks and good paying jobs become more scarce. We will need less people with college degrees and more lawn mowers to upkeep the front 40 for 3rd and 4th vacation homes.
xnodx

[Cleets]

Affordable or free education reduces wealth inequality and stimulates the economy by increasing upward mobility for the working poor and middle class and by providing the private sector with a more highly skilled and productive workforce.

Therefore tuition increases make sense as the middle class shrinks and good paying jobs become more scarce. We will need less people with college degrees and more lawn mowers to upkeep the front 40 for 3rd and 4th vacation homes.
xnodx

This is accurate...

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Must be because UND is the flagship University of the state or something. xcoffeex

[darell1976]

It would be nice if Mayville could be folded into UND somehow, and Valley City with NDSU. I know the issue with the schools being written into the constitution presents some barriers though. But why can't UND admin and NDSU admin run those schools, cut duplicate programs, save on admin, and make the Mayville/VC schools for a specific course of studies? The schools would remain open in compliance with the constitution, but should save some $.

What confuses me the most in all this is why does North Dakota of all places have a FORESTRY school (Bottineau)? Just as well create a university specializing in marine biology in Minnewauken for the sense that makes.

xthumbsdownx Wow...now I have heard it all.

[NuJerzBullDog]

yeah sc state's tuition is gonna be raised 4% this year and it was raised 5% last year

[bincitysioux]

Must be because UND is the flagship University of the state or something. xcoffeex

WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER...............

The funding disparity seems about right to me........if anything, it should be wider.............

[bp44]

you guts has a great program at ndsu. I follow you guys down here in Texas. See you guys in the Wac

[401ks]

Affordable or free education reduces wealth inequality and stimulates the economy by increasing upward mobility for the working poor and middle class and by providing the private sector with a more highly skilled and productive workforce.

Therefore tuition increases make sense as the middle class shrinks and good paying jobs become more scarce. We will need less people with college degrees and more lawn mowers to upkeep the front 40 for 3rd and 4th vacation homes.
xnodx

SOCIALIST!!!












xrolleyesx

[DJKyR0]

The issue goes far deeper than NDSU simply getting the shaft. The current distribution of capital between North Dakota's universities is based on models that are decades old and don't account for the changes undergone in the last 10+ years - chiefly, that being UND leading the way in terms of enrollment and research dollars generated. NDSU suddenly leads both of those categories, and yet receives funding that would bankrupt other universities our size. Maybe it's North Dakotan frugalism playing out, but any course of action based on bad data is itself ignorant.

[kalm]

[QUOTE=401ks;1622272]SOCIALIST!!!

No, it's called a mixed economy. Socialize the risks, privatize the profits. It's the American way since at least 1980. xshhhx

[NDB]

WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER...............

The funding disparity seems about right to me........if anything, it should be wider.............

Apparently it's not wide enough.

Even when receiving an extra $60 million/50% in funding NDSU kicks UND's *** in pretty much every conceivable metric.

At least you have hockey, a logo, and no one to play with.

[darell1976]

Apparently it's not wide enough.

Even when receiving an extra $60 million/50% in funding NDSU kicks UND's *** in pretty much every conceivable metric.
At least you have hockey, a logo, and no one to play with.

Including threatening public officals from its fans.

[401ks]

[QUOTE=401ks;1622272]SOCIALIST!!!

No, it's called a mixed economy. Socialize the risks, privatize the profits. It's the American way since at least 1980. xshhhx

You apparently missed the xrolleyesx at the bottom of my post! :p

[TheBisonator]

Apparently it's not wide enough.

Even when receiving an extra $60 million/50% in funding NDSU kicks UND's *** in pretty much every conceivable metric.

At least you have hockey, a logo, and no one to play with.

This is very true.

[SDFS]

The issue goes far deeper than NDSU simply getting the shaft. The current distribution of capital between North Dakota's universities is based on models that are decades old and don't account for the changes undergone in the last 10+ years - chiefly, that being UND leading the way in terms of enrollment and research dollars generated. NDSU suddenly leads both of those categories, and yet receives funding that would bankrupt other universities our size. Maybe it's North Dakotan frugalism playing out, but any course of action based on bad data is itself ignorant.

I don't know a lot about higher education funding in ND. But doesn't the status of being a land grant school for the state give NDSU considerable advantages over all the other schools in North Dakota. In effect saying that NDSU gets North Dakota's portion of over a $1 Billion annually plus the orginal thousands of arces of land in the Land Trust.

[kalm]

[QUOTE=kalm;1622467]

You apparently missed the xrolleyesx at the bottom of my post! :p

Sorry, the smiley said rolling eyes, sarcasm so I took a swing. My bad.xeyebrowx