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Lehigh Football Nation
November 16th, 2010, 04:54 PM
http://www.collegesportingnews.com/content.php?319-GPI-11-16-2010


CHICAGO - The Gridiron Power Index (GPI), the index ranking for the NCAA Division I FCS and a top indicator of at-large playoff selection sees Delaware remain on top in the GPI rankings after their 45-27 win over Massachusetts this past weekend.

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StonewallSpider
November 16th, 2010, 05:54 PM
If you look at the detail

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0At2w-dbZUZ2gdG9wYVVDd1ZhNkR2R0xfZTVfY3lucHc&hl=en&output=html

The GPI has Richmond's AGS rank as #10, but it should be #20.
This keeps the Spiders at 18 in the GPI, but with a score of 19.625

superman7515
November 16th, 2010, 06:54 PM
It also shows UD & App State tied at #1.

MacThor
November 16th, 2010, 10:38 PM
Congrats to SC State for cracking the top 50.

EdubAlum
November 16th, 2010, 10:57 PM
Ewu does not need Montana state to lose to win the big sky...but we do need them to lose to get the autobid. They're different things. Apparently nobody told these guys.

iceman4221
November 16th, 2010, 11:07 PM
If you look at the detail

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0At2w-dbZUZ2gdG9wYVVDd1ZhNkR2R0xfZTVfY3lucHc&hl=en&output=html

The GPI has Richmond's AGS rank as #10, but it should be #20.
This keeps the Spiders at 18 in the GPI, but with a score of 19.625


WOW THE GPI IS OFFICIALLY DECLARED BIASED... I CHALLENGE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO NAME THE 32-83 SCHOOLS THAT WOULD BEAT MY SCSU BULLDOGS BY AT LEAST 1 POINT...

THAT'S WOULD NOT HAPPEN AT THE FCS LEVEL... GO AHEAD, I'LL WAIT...

WestCoastAggie
November 16th, 2010, 11:15 PM
Anyone feel like compiling the Modified-Version of the GPI that the NCAA FCS Playoff Selection will look at?

I bet B-CU, JU and a few other teams will sky rocket in that GPI compaired to this one due to the Sagarin and Sauceda rankings being removed and adding the Wolfe Rankings.

WestCoastAggie
November 16th, 2010, 11:16 PM
Top 10 in the Wolfe Rankings this week:

1 Delaware I-AA 9 1 293 100 3.593 10
2 Jacksonville St I-AA 9 1 348 248 3.565 5
3 Appalachian St I-AA 9 1 370 203 3.457 7
4 Bethune-Cookman I-AA 10 0 411 145 3.413 -3
5 Eastern Washington I-AA 8 2 302 269 3.298 6
6 Stephen F. Austin I-AA 8 2 375 201 3.194 6
7 William & Mary I-AA 7 3 241 166 3.193 -12
8 Wofford I-AA 8 2 294 195 3.175 -11
9 South Alabama I-AA 10 0 413 130 3.119 8
10 Jacksonville FL I-AA 10 1 464 225 2.969 5

grayghost06
November 17th, 2010, 08:01 AM
Take a look at the 3 poll rankings. Then take a look at the matrix of all the computer rankings ( the detail of the GPI ). When there is a large discrepancy between poll rankings and computer rankings there exists a problem. It is obvious that the inclusion of the Wolfe rankings was done to help balance that. But seriously, that poll- while interesting to read- rates a DIII team roughly equal to Div I-A San Jose St. Now SJSU may stink at their level, but I'd be hard pressed to see a Div III team come within 50 points of them.

MacThor
November 17th, 2010, 08:18 AM
It will be interesting Sunday. No team has *ever* gotten an at-large when their GPI rank was outside the top 25, much less at 50! Then again, you'd be hard pressed to find an eligible team ranked so high in the human polls that was left out of the playoffs.

mcveyrl
November 17th, 2010, 08:22 AM
Some major computer love for Sac State...what's up with that?

mcveyrl
November 17th, 2010, 08:23 AM
Anyone feel like compiling the Modified-Version of the GPI that the NCAA FCS Playoff Selection will look at?

I bet B-CU, JU and a few other teams will sky rocket in that GPI compaired to this one due to the Sagarin and Sauceda rankings being removed and adding the Wolfe Rankings.

I can't remember what that includes and does not...reminder?

danefan
November 17th, 2010, 08:56 AM
Anyone feel like compiling the Modified-Version of the GPI that the NCAA FCS Playoff Selection will look at?

I bet B-CU, JU and a few other teams will sky rocket in that GPI compaired to this one due to the Sagarin and Sauceda rankings being removed and adding the Wolfe Rankings.

I'm in the process of doing the spreadsheet now. Pain in the butt because the Wolfe rankings aren't in CSV so I have to manually enter the numbers in the spreadsheet.

wapiti
November 17th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Ewu does not need Montana state to lose to win the big sky...but we do need them to lose to get the autobid. They're different things. Apparently nobody told these guys.

I would say yes, you do need MSU to lose to win the Big Sky Championship. Reason I give. MSU wins the tie breaker over EWU, thus giving the title to MSU.
Yes, it would be a shared title, but MSU will be declared first in all the standings. But this all depends on who wins Cat/Griz and assuming EWU beats Idaho State.

TypicalTribe
November 17th, 2010, 09:34 AM
Top 10 in the Wolfe Rankings this week:

1 Delaware I-AA 9 1 293 100 3.593 10
2 Jacksonville St I-AA 9 1 348 248 3.565 5
3 Appalachian St I-AA 9 1 370 203 3.457 7
4 Bethune-Cookman I-AA 10 0 411 145 3.413 -3
5 Eastern Washington I-AA 8 2 302 269 3.298 6
6 Stephen F. Austin I-AA 8 2 375 201 3.194 6
7 William & Mary I-AA 7 3 241 166 3.193 -12
8 Wofford I-AA 8 2 294 195 3.175 -11
9 South Alabama I-AA 10 0 413 130 3.119 8
10 Jacksonville FL I-AA 10 1 464 225 2.969 5

Any poll that has S. Alabama in the top 10 is clearly not credible.

danefan
November 17th, 2010, 09:37 AM
Any poll that has S. Alabama in the top 10 is clearly not credible.

Credible or not its what the NCAA uses.

danefan
November 17th, 2010, 09:51 AM
NCAA GPI Top 50 (Wolfe, Massey, Lazarus, Ashburn, Selfe)

1. Delaware
2. App State
3. Eastern Washington.
4. W&M
5. SF Austin
6. Jacksonville St
7. Montana St
8. New Hampshire
9. Northern Iowa
10. Wofford
11. Villanova
12. Sac State
13. UMass
14. North Dakota St.
15. Chattanooga
16. Montana
17. SEMO
18. Richmond
19. JMU
20. Weber St
21. Western Illinois
22. McNeese St
23. Georgia Southern
24. Penn
25. Cal Poly


26. Northern Arizona
27. Elon
28. Indiana St
29. Jacksonville
30. Bethune Cookman
31. Grambling
32. South Dakota St.
33. Southern Utah
34. Robert Morris
35. Illinois St.
36. Central Ark.
37. Lehigh
38. Sam Houston St
39. Furman
40. EKU
41. Texas Southern
42. UC Davis
43. Missour St
44. Murry St
45. South Carolina State
46. Maine
47. Southern Illinois
48. Central Conn.
49. Old Dominion
50. Liberty

401ks
November 17th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Credible or not its what the NCAA uses.

Credible or not its what the NCAA uses, and it is not a poll.

WestCoastAggie
November 17th, 2010, 11:28 AM
NCAA GPI Top 50 (Wolfe, Massey, Lazarus, Ashburn, Selfe)

1. Delaware
2. App State
3. Eastern Washington.
4. W&M
5. SF Austin
6. Jacksonville St
7. Montana St
8. New Hampshire
9. Northern Iowa
10. Wofford
11. Villanova
12. Sac State
13. UMass
14. North Dakota St.
15. Chattanooga
16. Montana
17. SEMO
18. Richmond
19. JMU
20. Weber St
21. Western Illinois
22. McNeese St
23. Georgia Southern
24. Penn
25. Cal Poly


26. Northern Arizona
27. Elon
28. Indiana St
29. Jacksonville
30. Bethune Cookman
31. Grambling
32. South Dakota St.
33. Southern Utah
34. Robert Morris
35. Illinois St.
36. Central Ark.
37. Lehigh
38. Sam Houston St
39. Furman
40. EKU
41. Texas Southern
42. UC Davis
43. Missour St
44. Murry St
45. South Carolina State
46. Maine
47. Southern Illinois
48. Central Conn.
49. Old Dominion
50. Liberty

Geez, all non CAA, Big Sky, SoCon and MVFC are just sliding.

Would they really keep SEMO out in place of Sac. State? if SEMO is having trouble getting in, best believe that no other team not from the Big Sky, CAA, MVFC or SoCon are not getting in this thing which would absolutely suck.

But it is what it is. A 9-2 season is nothing to frown upon. The did the best they could with what their school scheduled. Can't be mad at that at all.

EdubAlum
November 17th, 2010, 11:33 AM
I would say yes, you do need MSU to lose to win the Big Sky Championship. Reason I give. MSU wins the tie breaker over EWU, thus giving the title to MSU.
Yes, it would be a shared title, but MSU will be declared first in all the standings. But this all depends on who wins Cat/Griz and assuming EWU beats Idaho State.

We still get to put up a banner that declares us Big Sky Champions. that's what I'm referring to. In the scenario of EWU wins, and so does MSU, and then you ask the Big Sky office....hey, who was the Big Sky Conference champion for football this year....they're not going to say MSU, they're going to say MSU and EWU.

FargoBison
November 17th, 2010, 11:40 AM
Geez, all non CAA, Big Sky, SoCon and MVFC are just sliding.

Would they really keep SEMO out in place of Sac. State? if SEMO is having trouble getting in, best believe that no other team not from the Big Sky, CAA, MVFC or SoCon are not getting in this thing which would absolutely suck.

But it is what it is. A 9-2 season is nothing to frown upon. The did the best they could with what their school scheduled. Can't be mad at that at all.

Sac won't have 7 DI wins and if Weber St. loses to Texas Tech they wouldn't have a quality win either. They have less than a 5% chance of making it.

TypicalTribe
November 17th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Geez, all non CAA, Big Sky, SoCon and MVFC are just sliding.

Would they really keep SEMO out in place of Sac. State? if SEMO is having trouble getting in, best believe that no other team not from the Big Sky, CAA, MVFC or SoCon are not getting in this thing which would absolutely suck.

But it is what it is. A 9-2 season is nothing to frown upon. The did the best they could with what their school scheduled. Can't be mad at that at all.

I will be stunned if SEMO doesn't get in. I think they've certainly earned a spot in the field. If Western were able to knock off UNI this weekend, I could certainly see a SEMO/WIU first-rounder. Chattanooga also a possiblity. Tough to find a decent regional matchup outside of those two.

Tod
November 17th, 2010, 12:03 PM
Sac won't have 7 DI wins and if Weber St. loses to Texas Tech they wouldn't have a quality win either. They have less than a 5% chance of making it.

I know we've slid a bit, but is Weber's win over Montana not considered a quality win?

FargoBison
November 17th, 2010, 12:07 PM
I know we've slid a bit, but is Weber's win over Montana not considered a quality win?

That would be a quality win. A win over Montana still carries that kind of weight.

Green Cookie Monster
November 17th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Lost to #6FBS
Lost by a combined 10pts to #3, #8, #13FCS teams

Beat #21 and #23FCS teams

Lotta love at Sac State

TypicalTribe
November 17th, 2010, 01:07 PM
Lost to #6FBS
Lost by a combined 10pts to #3, #8, #13FCS teams

Beat #21 and #23FCS teams

Lotta love at Sac State

Unfortunately, not going to have 7 FCS wins or a signature victory. A few plays away from being a top 10 team and probably playing as well as anyone in the country right now, but the committee would really have to break precedent to give the Hornets an at-large.

UNIFanSince1983
November 17th, 2010, 03:10 PM
NCAA GPI Top 50 (Wolfe, Massey, Lazarus, Ashburn, Selfe)

1. Delaware
2. App State
3. Eastern Washington.
4. W&M
5. SF Austin
6. Jacksonville St
7. Montana St
8. New Hampshire
9. Northern Iowa
10. Wofford
11. Villanova
12. Sac State
13. UMass
14. North Dakota St.
15. Chattanooga
16. Montana
17. SEMO
18. Richmond
19. JMU
20. Weber St
21. Western Illinois
22. McNeese St
23. Georgia Southern
24. Penn
25. Cal Poly


26. Northern Arizona
27. Elon
28. Indiana St
29. Jacksonville
30. Bethune Cookman
31. Grambling
32. South Dakota St.
33. Southern Utah
34. Robert Morris
35. Illinois St.
36. Central Ark.
37. Lehigh
38. Sam Houston St
39. Furman
40. EKU
41. Texas Southern
42. UC Davis
43. Missour St
44. Murry St
45. South Carolina State
46. Maine
47. Southern Illinois
48. Central Conn.
49. Old Dominion
50. Liberty

Wow that is crazy that the only MVFC team not in the top 50 is Youngstown. That makes us only having 1 conference loss (so far - still one big game in Macomb left) looks impressive, when it really probably isn't that impressive...

JMUNJ08
November 17th, 2010, 04:01 PM
How is Rhode Island not top 50 with their signature wins? Better than 1/2 of the 26-50 group at least IMO.

danefan
November 17th, 2010, 04:06 PM
How is Rhode Island not top 50 with their signature wins? Better than 1/2 of the 26-50 group at least IMO.

Computers kill them because of the Fordham loss.

URI
Wolfe - 61
Massey - 43
Lazarus - 58
Ashburn - 48
Selfe - 49

Fordham
Wolfe - 80
Massey - 86
Lazarus - 91
Ashburn - 89
Selfe - 88

UNH72Plus
November 17th, 2010, 05:17 PM
How does Bethune Cookman get ranked #4 in anybodies system? They have only one quality win (14-0), against SC State. Their OOC wins came against two 1-9 FCS teams and DII or III Edward Waters, a team that has lost all 4 games they've played, being outscored 176-31. The remaining six in-conference teams they've beat have a combined OOC record of 4-13, and 3 of the 4 wins came against D-II teams. Top 25 maybe, but even that may be a stretch. This weekend's FAMU game should be interesting.

JSU85GRAD
November 17th, 2010, 05:23 PM
Initially I believe BC gets votes simply because they haven't lost. When you look at their schedule it's pathetic. If they lose this weekend they will drop like a rock but probably still be in the playoffs.