The AGS Poll, FCS Top 25 Rankings, Week 11

[AGSPoll]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis), Points
1. Delaware (58) 1652
2. Appalachian St. (4) 1585
3. Eastern Washington (3) 1510
4. Jacksonville St. 1371
5. Stephen F. Austin 1353
6. William & Mary 1314
7. Montana St. (2) 1301
8. Wofford 1093
9. Northern Iowa 1056
10. Bethune-Cookman 1004
11. New Hampshire 917
12. Montana 860
13. Southeast Missouri St. 845
14. Villanova 721
15. South Carolina St. 694
16. North Dakota St. 639
17. Pennsylvania 632
18. Massachusetts 560
19. Chattanooga 407
20. Richmond 384
21. Georgia Southern 342
22. Lehigh 254
23. Liberty 237
24. Jacksonville 208
25. Robert Morris 134
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Cal Poly (27), Western Illinois (19), McNeese St. (18), James Madison (16), Sacramento St. (16), Dayton (11), Weber St. (11), Southern Utah (7), Grambling St. (6), Stony Brook (6),

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Appalachian St.
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: William & Mary

[SpeedkingATL]

This poll makes more sense that the TSN poll.

[WrenFGun]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis), Points
1. Delaware (58) 1652
2. Appalachian St. (4) 1585
3. Eastern Washington (3) 1510
4. Jacksonville St. 1371
5. Stephen F. Austin 1353
6. William & Mary 1314
7. Montana St. (2) 1301
8. Wofford 1093
9. Northern Iowa 1056
10. Bethune-Cookman 1004
11. New Hampshire 917
12. Montana 860
13. Southeast Missouri St. 845
14. Villanova 721
15. South Carolina St. 694
16. North Dakota St. 639
17. Pennsylvania 632
18. Massachusetts 560
19. Chattanooga 407
20. Richmond 384
21. Georgia Southern 342
22. Lehigh 254
23. Liberty 237
24. Jacksonville 208
25. Robert Morris 134
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Cal Poly (27), Western Illinois (19), McNeese St. (18), James Madison (16), Sacramento St. (16), Dayton (11), Weber St. (11), Southern Utah (7), Grambling St. (6), Stony Brook (6),

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Appalachian St.
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: William & Mary

Just my impression, but I think both Bethune-Cookman (no wins of note) and Wofford are a bit too high.

[Fear the Bird]

Last week Jax St. 7 and SEMO 9...the last minute win at home between these obviously evenly matched teams swayed voters to raise JSU 3 spots and drop SEMO 4 to widen the gap to 9 spots in the poll?

Somebody please explain why Liberty is still in this poll

[Milktruck74]

Just my impression, but I think both Bethune-Cookman (no wins of note) and Wofford are a bit too high.

I expect the Chatty Mocs to take care of that Wofford thing this week, but B-C will finish w/o a loss, so they are gonna stay up there.

[PantherRob82]

I thought Wofford would drop more.

[RabidRabbit]

Good to see that the MVFC AQ finally crack the top 10. Likewise, an 8-3 NDSU team should readily make the play-offs.

[UNI Pike]

UNI probably moved up a bit too far against a offense only MO ST team.

[MacThor]

Looks a lot better than TSN.

I had Liberty as most significant loss, as it dropped them from (my) poll, and probably the playoffs.

[HensRock]

Somebody please explain why Liberty is still in this poll

What about Robert Morris and Jacksonville?
People need to separate the Top 25 from the playoff race. Folks, just because a team qualifies for the playoffs does NOT make them a Top 25 team.

Where are Georgia Southern, Southern Utah, Sacramento State, Western Illinois, JMU?
Do you honestly think these teams would lose to Lehigh, Robert Morris, Jacksonville and Liberty?

[DOME]

Western Illinois lost this pask weekend...

[FCS Go!]

What about Robert Morris and Jacksonville?
People need to separate the Top 25 from the playoff race. Folks, just because a team qualifies for the playoffs does NOT make them a Top 25 team.

Where are Georgia Southern, Southern Utah, Sacramento State, Western Illinois, JMU?
Do you honestly think these teams would lose to Lehigh, Robert Morris, Jacksonville and Liberty?

My thoughts exactly. I had 5 of the 6 you mentioned on my ballot with Sad St as the first team out.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Where are Georgia Southern, Southern Utah, Sacramento State, Western Illinois, JMU?
Do you honestly think these teams would lose to Lehigh, Robert Morris, Jacksonville and Liberty?

No comment. :)

[FargoBison]

Here is the top 25 with SOS(from Massey)

24 Delaware
47 Appalachian St.
5 Eastern Washington
52 Jacksonville St.
29 Stephen F. Austin
2 William & Mary
32 Montana St.
43 Wofford
16 Northern Iowa
123 Bethune-Cookman
3 New Hampshire
37 Montana
55 Southeast Missouri St.
10 Villanova
101 South Carolina St.
31 North Dakota St.
69 Pennsylvania
9 Massachusetts
15 Chattanooga
8 Richmond
35 Georgia Southern
65 Lehigh
75 Liberty
109 Jacksonville
81 Robert Morris

[WMTribe90]

Here is the top 25 with SOS(from Massey)

24 Delaware
47 Appalachian St.
5 Eastern Washington
52 Jacksonville St.
29 Stephen F. Austin
2 William & Mary
32 Montana St.
43 Wofford
16 Northern Iowa
123 Bethune-Cookman
3 New Hampshire
37 Montana
55 Southeast Missouri St.
10 Villanova
101 South Carolina St.
31 North Dakota St.
69 Pennsylvania
9 Massachusetts
15 Chattanooga
8 Richmond
35 Georgia Southern
65 Lehigh
75 Liberty
109 Jacksonville
81 Robert Morris

Based on SOS, BC SCST adn Jacksonville are severely over-rated. I'd switch WM and SFA. Liberty and Robert Morris are not top 25 teams.

[theasushow]

phew, thank God one other person other than me voted Montana State #1, for a second there i thought the "homer rule" may apply and my vote wouldnt count.

[JMUNJ08]

How are people separating the CAA 6-4s so much on their ballots???? UNH/Nova/UMass/UR should be right next to each other and not 10 spots apart. Please explain for those of you you think so highly of UNH but not UR...

[TypicalTribe]

How are people separating the CAA 6-4s so much on their ballots???? UNH/Nova/UMass/UR should be right next to each other and not 10 spots apart. Please explain for those of you you think so highly of UNH but not UR...

Richmond has the weakest overall resume.

[tribe_pride]

phew, thank God one other person other than me voted Montana State #1, for a second there i thought the "homer rule" may apply and my vote wouldnt count.

No worries (I was not the Montana St guy - I had Delaware). Homer rule would only apply to you if you were the only one to vote App. State #1.

[WileECoyote06]

Last week Jax St. 7 and SEMO 9...the last minute win at home between these obviously evenly matched teams swayed voters to raise JSU 3 spots and drop SEMO 4 to widen the gap to 9 spots in the poll?

Somebody please explain why Liberty is still in this poll

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[UNHWILDCATS05]

How are people separating the CAA 6-4s so much on their ballots???? UNH/Nova/UMass/UR should be right next to each other and not 10 spots apart. Please explain for those of you you think so highly of UNH but not UR...

UNH has beaten the bolded teams... that's why...

1. Delaware (58) 1652
2. Appalachian St. (4) 1585
3. Eastern Washington (3) 1510
4. Jacksonville St. 1371
5. Stephen F. Austin 1353
6. William & Mary 1314
7. Montana St. (2) 1301
8. Wofford 1093
9. Northern Iowa 1056
10. Bethune-Cookman 1004
11. New Hampshire 917
12. Montana 860
13. Southeast Missouri St. 845
14. Villanova 721
15. South Carolina St. 694
16. North Dakota St. 639
17. Pennsylvania 632
18. Massachusetts 560
19. Chattanooga 407
20. Richmond 384
21. Georgia Southern 342
22. Lehigh 254
23. Liberty 237
24. Jacksonville 208
25. Robert Morris 134
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Cal Poly (27), Western Illinois (19), McNeese St. (18), James Madison (16), Sacramento St. (16), Dayton (11), Weber St. (11), Southern Utah (7), Grambling St. (6), Stony Brook (6),

[JMUNJ08]

Richmond has the weakest overall resume.

But by 10 spots? I had them UNH/Nova/UMass/UR consecutively.

BTW UNH also has the worst loss in the group (Maine) that no one seems to remember...

[JMUNJ08]

UNH has beaten the bolded teams... that's why...

14. Villanova 721
18. Massachusetts 560
20. Richmond 384
22. Lehigh 254
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): James Madison (16)

- UNH has the weakest CAA schedule out of the 6-4 teams (no #1 Delaware to be found)

- UR has a win over URI which UNH lost to as well as decent OOC wins over Coastal & Elon equally as good to UNH's.

Besides the H2H loss and the extra loss @ Nova (UNH's extra is Maine), there isn't much to separate is all I have to say to justify a UNH #11 ranking to UR #20...As I noted above UNH may be the best of the 4 just not by 9 spots IMO

[iceman4221]

Just my impression, but I think both Bethune-Cookman (no wins of note) and Wofford are a bit too high.

xnonox

[1andDone]

Colored field really make a team play well.

[Milktruck74]

What about Robert Morris and Jacksonville?
People need to separate the Top 25 from the playoff race. Folks, just because a team qualifies for the playoffs does NOT make them a Top 25 team.

Where are Georgia Southern, Southern Utah, Sacramento State, Western Illinois, JMU?
Do you honestly think these teams would lose to Lehigh, Robert Morris, Jacksonville and Liberty?

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Thank you !! Thank you !!! Finally. I was begining to wonder if I was the only one that actually thought this way when ranking teams. I can count 6 or 7 teams lower than 20 (some unranked but receiving votes) that would easily destroy 4 or 5 teams ranked in the 5-15 spots.

[Milktruck74]

One has to ask would team X beat team y on a neutral field and if the answer is yes, team X is ranked higher. Now, you also have to consider teams like JMU that COULD beat anybody, but have failed to do so....

[WileECoyote06]

Some people judge teams by their success against their schedule. The AGS poll isn't a computer ranking that only considers who you've played.

[rgp44]

Has anyone considered that the Big South might get 2 bids? I don't think they deserve it but the way i read the tiebreaker it looks like Stony Brook could lose big to Liberty but still win a 3 way tiebreaker (including Coastal Carolina) and get the autobid. Based on Liberty's ranking, a win over SB and the possible lack of 7 win teams out there; Liberty might be in.

[theasushow]

No worries (I was not the Montana St guy - I had Delaware). Homer rule would only apply to you if you were the only one to vote App. State #1.

oh yeah your right...duh.

[TwoFeathers]

Just my impression, but I think both Bethune-Cookman (no wins of note) and Wofford are a bit too high.

Bethune-Cookman got 4 first-place votes in the TSN poll... really???

[JSU85GRAD]

Why does everyone think Wofford should be in top 10? Who have they beat? Bad loss to the best team in Socon and next best team in conference will be UTC which they play Sat. Can't buy the GSU argument because UTC beat them head to head and if UTC beats Wofford does Wofford make the playoffs? Looks to me like maybe the 3 best teams in the Socon are 1) Appy 2) UTC tie for 3) GSU and Wofford but GSU has a better win having beaten the conference champ but a head to head loss to Wofford. Wofford also has a DII win which doesn't count for much IMO. So the decision would be who gets the 3rd playoff spot from the Socon; Wofford or GSU?????

[ngineer]

What about Robert Morris and Jacksonville?
People need to separate the Top 25 from the playoff race. Folks, just because a team qualifies for the playoffs does NOT make them a Top 25 team.

Where are Georgia Southern, Southern Utah, Sacramento State, Western Illinois, JMU?
Do you honestly think these teams would lose to Lehigh, Robert Morris, Jacksonville and Liberty?

Yes. The same thing was said ten years ago when Lehigh was sent to Western Illinois in the first round, who was ranked in the top 4. Lehigh smashed the Leathernecks, 37-7. Teams in November can be a lot different than the team they were in September.

[ngineer]

A lot of of "Coulda, shoulda, woulda" goin' on. That's not what it's about. "Just do it" or go home.

[GreatAppSt]

A lot of of "Coulda, shoulda, woulda" goin' on. That's not what it's about. "Just do it" or go home.

xbowx

[Milktruck74]

Yes. The same thing was said ten years ago when Lehigh was sent to Western Illinois in the first round, who was ranked in the top 4. Lehigh smashed the Leathernecks, 37-7. Teams in November can be a lot different than the team they were in September.

Agreed!!! I look at Elon right now and think they could beat 4 or 5 of the top 10 teams.