Patriot League Pick 'em - The Final Week

[carney2]

Congrats to the ChickenSquawks. Good luck in the playoffs.

LEHIGH @ LAFAYETTE

BUCKNELL @ HOLY CROSS

Marist @ GEORGETOWN

COLGATE @ FORDHAM

[ngineer]

Why thank you, Art!

Just looking forward to a great feast in Easton on Saturday. 12 Lafayette Turkeys being prepped as I type for the great pregame tailgate. I'm afraid Lafayette with their black Leotards will be in a 'tight' situation. Champion Mountain Hawks, 27-17.

Bucknell looking for anything looking like a light at the end of the tunnel. The won't "see the light" at Holy Cross. Bison blinded by Crusaders, 29-20.

A four win season for the Hoyas would look nice. They showed a lot scrap this past week, and I sense want to end this season like it began-on an up note. Hoyas, 24-20.

Interesting game here. After Colgate lost to Lehigh, they didn't fold the tents. 7-4 looks a whole lost better than 6-5, and Eachus will shooting for a big finale. Rams are capable of pulling it off, but need too much to go right. Stars not in alignment. Raiders, 34-24.

39-13 for season.

[TheValleyRaider]

Another unbeaten week, 3-0 again, up to 30-22, but it may be too little, too late, much like the Raiders this year

Lehigh at Lafayette Lehigh Outside of the usual rivalry hubbub, this one is fairly devoid of meaning. The Hawks have already secured the conference title and auto-bid, while the Leopards surrendered a winning season long ago. Perhaps the only real thing on the line here is Lehigh's chance to validate their supporters' preseason optimism and finish 9-2. With all the usual caveats of unpredictable rivalries on the table, Lehigh is simply a lot better than Lafayette right now, and this season

Bucknell at Holy Cross Holy Cross The Bison are known for snatching a late-season victory against an otherwise superior opponent, and after last week, the Crusaders don't seem to have much on the line. Still, there's a reason they call those wins upsets, and the Cross should be favored at home to close out strong, while both schools gird up for other sports at which they usually perform better anyway...

Marist at Georgetown Georgetown Hoyas, unfortunately, are in free-fall, though at the very least their defense can keep them in some games. Maybe, just maybe, they snap out of it for that elusive fourth victory and some PL pride in the last OOC contest of the 2010 campaign (not counting the playoffs, of course)

Colgate at Fordham Colgate Well, if I wasn't such a reliable homer in picking games, this might actually be a lot tougher. Fordham appears to have hit some kind of stride late in the season, and it will be interesting to see where this program can go in the future. Not to mention, I'm sure they're still a little cheesed about last year's...interesting...finish in Hamilton. But, Greg Sullivan gets one last bite at the apple, and Biddle moves to 13 out of 15 seasons reaching the 7 win plateau. Get set for another run at the title next year Raiders

[Bogus Megapardus]

Final 2010 Ivy & Patriot Sportsbook:


The Rivalry and The Game:

Lehigh (-11.5) at Lafayette

Harvard (-10) vs Yale


The Other Contests:

Holy Cross (-17) vs Bucknell

Penn (-22.5) at Cornell

Brown (-7) vs Columbia

Georgetown (-4.5) vs Marist

Dartmouth (-8.5) at Princeton

Colgate (-2) at Fordham

[ColgateTD]

Lafayette - I owe Carney bigtime. Upset of the Week!
Holy Cross - Bison show promise for the future, but the future ain't now.
Georgtown - Gotta stick with my buddy DFW. For the sake of the PL, please pull this one out Hoyas!
Colgate - Bidddle goes for another 7-4 season; big letdown from preseason predictions but ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do.

32-17

[Ivytalk]

Final 2010 Ivy & Patriot Sportsbook:


The Rivalry and The Game:

Lehigh (-11.5) at Lafayette

Harvard (-10) vs Yale


The Other Contests:

Holy Cross (-17) vs Bucknell

Penn (-22.5) at Cornell

Brown (-7) vs Columbia

Georgetown (-4.5) vs Marist

Dartmouth (-8.5) at Princeton

Colgate (-2) at Fordham

Whoever came up with that Harvard-Yale spread is on crack. Seriously.

Back to thread. Lehigh, Holy Cross, Georgetown and (just for the heck of it) Fordham.

[RichH2]

Lehigh, Gate, Cross and Hoyas.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Whoever came up with that Harvard-Yale spread is on crack. Seriously.


I just checked again. Neither the Harvard-Yale or Lafayette-Lehigh lines have moved since Monday evening.

[DFW HOYA]

In the last two games, Marist has 30 carries for 8 yards. Eight. Then again, they had 41 rushes for 172 yards and three TD's last year vs. Georgetown.

I think the losing streak scuttled the season, and drove off most of what fans the Hoyas did have in September. Beating Marist (no sure thing) doesn't mean very much right now.

[carney2]

Not as easy as it looks this week:

BUCKNELL @ HOLY CROSS
Holy Cross - The Crossers did not look especially good in receiving their early holiday gift package in Easton last week. On the other hand, one must ask if the Buffaloes are playing D-1 football.

Marist @ GEORGETOWN
Georgetown - I made up my mind a few weeks ago that the Hoyas would not get my "support" anymore this year. I guess I forgot about Marist.

COLGATE @ FORDHAM
Colgate - Not a lot of confidence in this pick.

That's it for this year. I'm pretty certain that I didn't forget anything.

36-16 (69%)

[letsgopards04]

Oh carney you sly dog you.

[Ivytalk]

Not as easy as it looks this week:

BUCKNELL @ HOLY CROSS
Holy Cross - The Crossers did not look especially good in receiving their early holiday gift package in Easton last week. On the other hand, one must ask if the Buffaloes are playing D-1 football.

Marist @ GEORGETOWN
Georgetown - I made up my mind a few weeks ago that the Hoyas would not get my "support" anymore this year. I guess I forgot about Marist.

COLGATE @ FORDHAM
Colgate - Not a lot of confidence in this pick.

That's it for this year. I'm pretty certain that I didn't forget anything.

36-16 (69%)

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[LU65]

CU 35
FU 20


GU 17
Marist 10


LU 38
LC 21


HC 28
BU 17


Season: 25-9 (.735)

[Fordham]

In the last two games, Marist has 30 carries for 8 yards. Eight. Then again, they had 41 rushes for 172 yards and three TD's last year vs. Georgetown.

I think the losing streak scuttled the season, and drove off most of what fans the Hoyas did have in September. Beating Marist (no sure thing) doesn't mean very much right now. That's a shame DFW. Sorry it turned out to be such a dud ending to such a promising season.

Do you guys have a functioning Gridiron Club? How involved/influential are they? Is there potential for them to really exert some influence?

[ColgateTD]

Not as easy as it looks this week:

BUCKNELL @ HOLY CROSS
Holy Cross - The Crossers did not look especially good in receiving their early holiday gift package in Easton last week. On the other hand, one must ask if the Buffaloes are playing D-1 football.

Marist @ GEORGETOWN
Georgetown - I made up my mind a few weeks ago that the Hoyas would not get my "support" anymore this year. I guess I forgot about Marist.

COLGATE @ FORDHAM
Colgate - Not a lot of confidence in this pick.

That's it for this year. I'm pretty certain that I didn't forget anything.

36-16 (69%)

Inquiring minds want to know how you really feel, Carney?

[ngineer]

I just checked again. Neither the Harvard-Yale or Lafayette-Lehigh lines have moved since Monday evening.

I also disagree with the lines. Although I'm picking LU by 10 on this thread, this is not a game to be 'giving' 10 points on a chance. Just too much emotion and last year's game says it all about what can happen if 8-2 isn't ready. Perhaps they came up with the spread based upon seeing the comparative scores from common opponents.

Same with Harvard-Yale..In fact, I'm picking Yale straight up. They still have a distant shot at a co-championship. Enough to be focused.

[Ivytalk]

I also disagree with the lines. Although I'm picking LU by 10 on this thread, this is not a game to be 'giving' 10 points on a chance. Just too much emotion and last year's game says it all about what can happen if 8-2 isn't ready. Perhaps they came up with the spread based upon seeing the comparative scores from common opponents.

Same with Harvard-Yale..In fact, I'm picking Yale straight up. They still have a distant shot at a co-championship. Enough to be focused.

A "distant shot" means that Cornell would have to beat Penn. The chances of that happening are about as great as Sarah Palin reciting the Communist Manifesto from memory. That said, I agree and am on record that Yale will win on Saturday, sending Harvard to its first sub-7 win season in the new millennium.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

A "distant shot" means that Cornell would have to beat Penn. The chances of that happening are about as great as Sarah Palin reciting the Communist Manifesto from memory. That said, I agree and am on record that Yale will win on Saturday, sending Harvard to its first sub-7 win season in the new millennium.

OT, but what on earth happened to the Crimson? I know they went through 3 QBs, but every one of them would have been the unquestioned starter on Cornell, and I know you guys have plenty of talent.

[DFW HOYA]

Do you guys have a functioning Gridiron Club? How involved/influential are they? Is there potential for them to really exert some influence?

Georgetown's Gridiron Club was founded in 1974 but Coach Kelly has not developed ties with the club in the degree his predecessor did. That having been said, the support club structure at Georgetown does not lend itself to influencing athletic policy and there's very little in the way of "pressure" from alumni, even if the coach's record is 8-45 entering the season finale.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Georgetown's Gridiron Club was founded in 1974 but Coach Kelly has not worked to develop ties with the club in the degree his predecessor did. That having been said, the support club structure at Georgetown does not lend itself to influencing athletic policy and there's very little in the way of "pressure" from alumni, even if the coach's record is 8-45 entering the season finale.

DFW - Do you believe it to be Kelly's finale as well, or has he done enough this season to save himself?

[ngineer]

If he finishes 4-7, with some horribly close losses, I'd say he stays if he wants. But that raises another Q. If he's not getting the necessary support from the school to compete, does he want to?

[CFBfan]

If he finishes 4-7, with some horribly close losses, I'd say he stays if he wants. But that raises another Q. If he's not getting the necessary support from the school to compete, does he want to?

ngineer it is very easy and fair to put those "horribly close losses" (and they were horrible) squarley on kelly, his extremely poor game mng'mnt directly impacted the result in those games.

here is a comment i heard from a few players after a recent game: "every time we get a little excited or fored up during a game kelly screams at us to shut up and stand still just like he does during the week at practice, it is very difficult to get pumped up during a game with him"
I think this speaks volumes........

[DFW HOYA]

I don't comment on coaching moves, but if Andy Coen was 8-45 entering the season finale (assuming he would ever get that far), there would be a story every hour on "Groller's Corner" and there would be 200 posts on the LFN message board about it. By contrast, it hasn't merited one story in the Washington press.

Here are three operative questions:

1. Chicken or the egg? Is GU 8-45 because of Kelly's coaching, or is the Georgetown name and resources so meager that you could hire Jim Tressel and still be 3-8?
2. What's going to change? Kelly does the right things off the field--players get good grades, graduate, etc. But Georgetown still has three PL wins in five years and is 0-9 against the Ivies during that time. What's going to be different in year six with building a program that wasn't there in the first five?
3. Perceptions. What is the message sent to recruits and alumni with a decision either way? As Georgetown enters a period where it could be fielding a zero-scholarship team in a 50-60 scholarship league, that's not an insiginifcant question.

[CFBfan]

I don't comment on coaching moves, but if Andy Coen was 8-45 entering the season finale (assuming he would ever get that far), there would be a story every hour on "Groller's Corner" and there would be 200 posts on the LFN message board about it. By contrast, it hasn't merited one story in the Washington press.

Here are three operative questions:

1. Chicken or the egg? Is GU 8-45 because of Kelly's coaching, or is the Georgetown name and resources so meager that you could hire Jim Tressel and still be 3-8?
2. What's going to change? Kelly does the right things off the field--players get good grades, graduate, etc. But Georgetown still has three PL wins in five years and is 0-9 against the Ivies during that time. What's going to be different in year six with building a program that wasn't there in the first five?
3. Perceptions. What is the message sent to recruits and alumni with a decision either way? As Georgetown enters a period where it could be fielding a zero-scholarship team in a 50-60 scholarship league, that's not an insiginifcant question.

I'll leave your 1st and 3rd points for another time DFW, as for point #2 Kelly has done very little to impact players grade one way or the other. I feel strongly that the players would do just as well (maybe even a bit better if they were winning!) without Kelly at the helm.
Having spoken to numerous players about this Kelly has not impacted the academic side yet he likes to tout the results there.....what else can he hang his hat on??

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

32-20 Overall

Georgetown 17 Marist 14
Colgate 34 Fordham 24
Holy Cross 42 Bucknell 24

Lehigh 34 Lafayette 21 - The mission will be complete tomorrow. Lehigh just can't give up the big play or make any huge mistakes. Avoid those two things and they'll be fine.

[Go...gate]

Lehigh 27, Lafayette 13

Holy Cross 30, Bucknell 7

Georgetown 19, Marist 17

Fordham 24, Colgate 21

[Go...gate]

If he finishes 4-7, with some horribly close losses, I'd say he stays if he wants. But that raises another Q. If he's not getting the necessary support from the school to compete, does he want to?

Kelly goes 4-7 and he may get PL Coach of the Year.

[DFW HOYA]

Kelly goes 4-7 and he may get PL Coach of the Year.

This team had a very soft schedule and was capable of a lot more than four wins. Late-game stumbles to Wagner, Bucknell (!) and Fordham, not to mention losing on the last play to Yale.

[Leopard Loyalist]

It has been a dismal season in many ways. My 30-22 record is probably the least significant disappointment. For the final week I will go with the general flow--
Lehigh, Holy Cross, Georgetown, & Colgate--(and dispense with the folly of imagining final scores).

['Gate93]

LEHIGH @ LAFAYETTE
Congrats to Lehigh but nothing like a bottom feeder to pull you down. Hope the Leopards can pull off an upset in an exciting game.
Lafayette 24, Lehigh 23

BUCKNELL @ HOLY CROSS
Would like to see the Bison and Susan win at Fitton Field and have HC wait until next season to start re-building their home winning streak.
Bucknell 20, HC 17

Marist @ GEORGETOWN
Marist scored 35+ points and held undefeated Dayton in check through OT, but I am not a fan of the Red Foxes and hope the PL can pull it out against their league.
Georgetown 27, Marist 21

COLGATE @ FORDHAM
Obviously a more biased pick but it isn't a guarantee. Just hope the seniors can go out with a win and that Eachus can bring home the Payton hardware. As for Sullivan, I lost confidence as the season progressed and we never know what we're gonna get. He *should* outperform the Rams. Hope Fordham's underperforming scholarship season doesn't kick in just yet...
Colgate 28, Fordham 20

Very sad to see the 2010 season end.
Good luck to Lehigh in the postseason!
Thank you, Colgate Seniors.

[CrusaderBob]

Lehigh

Holy Cross

Georgetown

Colgate

[ngineer]

Congrats to the ChickenSquawks. Good luck in the playoffs.

LEHIGH @ LAFAYETTE

BUCKNELL @ HOLY CROSS

Marist @ GEORGETOWN

COLGATE @ FORDHAM

4-0 for the final week to end up 43-13 .768

[TheValleyRaider]

4-0 to close the year at 34-22, 15-6 in PL games

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

32-20 Overall

Georgetown 17 Marist 14
Colgate 34 Fordham 24
Holy Cross 42 Bucknell 24

Lehigh 34 Lafayette 21 - The mission will be complete tomorrow. Lehigh just can't give up the big play or make any huge mistakes. Avoid those two things and they'll be fine.

4-0 to finish the season, 36-20 overall record

[ColgateTD]

35-18 = 66%. Since no one has declared themselves Champions, I will be the first.. (with Carney's OK of course) :))