Payton Finalists

[TexasTerror]

Donaldson.
Edwards.
Landers.

Of the top six, I had five (missed on Armanti Edwards). My top vote went to Nathan Brown. The lone top vote for the UCA signal-caller.

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[uofmman1122]

Well, I think Cameron Higgins got royally screwed, but then again he is only a sophomore.

Pretty stupid, though.

[AZGrizFan]

Well, I think Cameron Higgins got royally screwed, but then again he is only a sophomore.

Pretty stupid, though.


Higgins and Reynolds both sophomores.... xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx

[danefan]

I refuse to acknowledge a list of finalsts that didn't originally include David McCarty. 1500+ rushing, 300+ receiving. Stats that far surpass some of the nominated players and accomplished in 11 games.

With that being said, its hard to argue that anyone is as deserving as Edwards or Landers.

[Jerbearasu]

Well, I think Cameron Higgins got royally screwed, but then again he is only a sophomore.

Pretty stupid, though.

I completely agree with you. His year warranted him being a finalist; maybe not win it but he should have been sent to Chatty for the banquet.

[KiddBrewer]

gonna be Landers IMO

[T-Dog]

It's a two horse race now between Landers and Edwards. Surprised Higgins didn't make it with his crazy numbers.

[Chi Panther]

I refuse to acknowledge a list of finalsts that didn't originally include David McCarty. 1500+ rushing, 300+ receiving. Stats that far surpass some of the nominated players and accomplished in 11 games.

With that being said, its hard to argue that anyone is as deserving as Edwards or Landers.

Corey Lewis had 1513 rushing and 642 receiving last year as a junior was was not even on the list....let alone the finals....

[GATA]

gonna be Landers IMO

What are you smoking!? This thing is gonna be edwards in a landslide! The only reason Edwards didn't win the thing last year was because he was injured in the middle of the season and Jayson Foster was balling out of control in the mean time. This thing is a wrap. Most of the football watching populace has heard of Armanti Edwards and the media dangles from his balls weekly. If AE doesn't win it this year he'll NEVER win the thing.

[Boots Harvey]

What are you smoking!? This thing is gonna be edwards in a landslide! The only reason Edwards didn't win the thing last year was because he was injured in the middle of the season and Jayson Foster was balling out of control in the mean time. This thing is a wrap. Most of the football watching populace has heard of Armanti Edwards and the media dangles from his balls weekly. If AE doesn't win it this year he'll NEVER win the thing.
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Did you really use the phrase.."media dangles from his balls weekly?" That's funny stuff.....I don't care who you are...xlolx

Now, regarding who should win, I agree that it should be Armanti. Period. The kid is amazing and would be the star player/QB on any team in the FCS.

[TexasTerror]

What are you smoking!? This thing is gonna be edwards in a landslide! The only reason Edwards didn't win the thing last year was because he was injured in the middle of the season and Jayson Foster was balling out of control in the mean time. This thing is a wrap. Most of the football watching populace has heard of Armanti Edwards and the media dangles from his balls weekly. If AE doesn't win it this year he'll NEVER win the thing.

I did not vote AE in my top five...does that make me a bad person and an uninformed fan? I did have the other five in the top six...xconfusedx

[MTGrizzFan]

It's a two horse race now between Landers and Edwards. Surprised Higgins didn't make it with his crazy numbers.

I'm surprised too

[ASUMountaineer]

I did not vote AE in my top five...does that make me a bad person and an uninformed fan? I did have the other five in the top six...xconfusedx

Refusing to recognize? I'm not saying he should win, but he's clearly in the top 5.

[TexasTerror]

Refusing to recognize? I'm not saying he should win, but he's clearly in the top 5.

AE has plenty of talent around him. Some of the others in my top five did not have as many talented players around them, yet led their team to results. Am I wrong in suggesting that?

[smallcollegefbfan]

AE has plenty of talent around him. Some of the others in my top five did not have as many talented players around them, yet led their team to results. Am I wrong in suggesting that?

You have a good point but Edwards. The one thing about him is that he has performed on the big stage losing only once on ESPN to LSU and showing that he comes through at the biggest times. He has more talent around him than the others but without his arm and legs you would not get to see that talent. If you had voted for someone out of your league then I don't think anyone would question you but you know how some people will call you a homer for giving your conference love when 90 percent of the nation thinks Edwards should and will get it. I do see what you are saying and Brown is one heck of a player. I really think if he was on App State's team that he would have the numbers to be in the top 3. xthumbsupx

[ASUMountaineer]

AE has plenty of talent around him. Some of the others in my top five did not have as many talented players around them, yet led their team to results. Am I wrong in suggesting that?

He does have talent around him, but do you really think you could plug another QB in and have the same results? I don't think so. He's very close to being the only QB in Division I history to go for 2000 passing and 1000 rushing yards in one season TWICE. He missed four games last year and missed doing it by (I think) 46 passing yards.

I don't think that's simply based on the talent around you. By that theory, Graham Harrell at TTU should not even be close to being considered for the Heisman...oh yeah and mark off Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Michael Crabtree, and Tim Tebow. However, take those guys away and I'm not sure the four teams would be in the title hunt. Same with ASU. Am I wrong in suggesting that?

[Syntax Error]

... people will call you a homer for giving your conference love when 90 percent of the nation thinks Edwards should and will get it.Yes, they will call you a homer. This is the second time you have rolled out that statement about what everyone else thinks. This is the second time I ask for proof. xrulesx

Looking at the voting it again proves these awards are homerrifc. 13 players get #1 votes, 8 get multiple? xlolx xnonono2x xeyebrowx

[UNIFanSince1983]

Having seen all three play they are all very deserving. I think it is only a two horse race between Landers and Edwards, but Donaldson is the best back I have seen in FCS this year. He will be playing on Sundays. The only knock I have against him is his hands didn't seem to be the best from the times I've seen him.

[TexasTerror]

Looking at the voting it again proves these awards are homerrifc. 13 players get #1 votes, 8 get multiple? xlolx xnonono2x xeyebrowx

Hey now -- at least I got 5 of the top six in my ballot. I'm on target to some degree, even if my vote is considered "homer" -- it looks I'm pretty on target with the national consensus, even if I am not in that 90% that went with AE. :p

[Syntax Error]

No way 13 different players should legitimately get #1 votes or 8 get multiple ones is what I meant.

[appstate38]

AE has plenty of talent around him. Some of the others in my top five did not have as many talented players around them, yet led their team to results. Am I wrong in suggesting that?

AE is the catalyst for that offense. I would like to know what 5 players you thought were better.... Given their respective schedules and talent around them. Based on that none of your picks should be considered because you can't run or throw without quality linemen and WR's. Your point doesn't make sense. By your statements all other teams are inferior because they have less talent. Ok I might agree with that part.xsmiley_wix

[TexasTerror]

AE is the catalyst for that offense. I would like to know what 5 players you thought were better.... Given their respective schedules and talent around them. Based on that none of your picks should be considered because you can't run or throw without quality linemen and WR's. Your point doesn't make sense. By your statements all other teams are inferior because they have less talent. Ok I might agree with that part.xsmiley_wix

Already said who my players were. I had the other five guys in the top six. Apparently, many others found them worthy if they are all in the top six. Much in tune with the national consensus if you ask me... xthumbsupx

[BDKJMU]

I refuse to acknowledge a list of finalsts that didn't originally include David McCarty. 1500+ rushing, 300+ receiving. Stats that far surpass some of the nominated players and accomplished in 11 games.

With that being said, its hard to argue that anyone is as deserving as Edwards or Landers.

Playing against a lower level of competition.

[AAadict]

AE will win the Payton...and go into the NFL after this season. Right?

[UAalum72]

Playing against a lower level of competition.
125 yds rushing and 72 receiving, 2 TD vs. UMass

178 yds rushing, TD vs. Hofstra

136 yds. rushing, TD vs New Hampshire

[KiddBrewer]

AE will win the Payton...and go into the NFL after this season. Right?

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maybe one of the two.








I dont know about winning the Payton though.....xpopcornx

[JoeNeck90]

I am sure it has been discussed before but it would be nice to see more positional awards given out like they do in the FBS. With the Payton award being the "Heisman", the best running back could be the Joe Delaney Award and so on. xeyebrowx

It's too bad that Donaldson didn't have the offensive threats to keep 12 men out of the box, well, at least that is what it looked like. He took beatings much like Walt did in his earlier years when he didn't even have much of line. Donaldson's line, though, worked for him most of the time. But he made them look a lot better than they were. He has great vision and hits the not so obvious, milli-second hole hard. If he made it to that point, it was on. I have seen many backs that are more agile, shiftier, quicker, and flashier but can recall very few that had the intestinal fortitude and strength to get that extra yard that he has shown. He quietly got a lot of his yards falling forward with guys hanging all over him. I don't think he will win it. The others numbers are amazing and they have the wins. The winning teams have the stud quarterbacks and thats exactly who he is up against. I think Sweetness would certainly approve of Herb's efforts and his approach to the game. xpeacex

[JoeNeck90]

Having seen all three play they are all very deserving. I think it is only a two horse race between Landers and Edwards, but Donaldson is the best back I have seen in FCS this year. He will be playing on Sundays. The only knock I have against him is his hands didn't seem to be the best from the times I've seen him.


I agree. There is definately some much needed work in the receiving department. The schemes didn't allow for it. He was either getting the ball or trying save the a$$ of his incompetant quarterback. He did catch 7balls in a comeback effort against SDSU. Playing his last 5 games with a broken finger on his right hand didn't help matters.

[slostang]

125 yds rushing and 72 receiving, 2 TD vs. UMass

178 yds rushing, TD vs. Hofstra

136 yds. rushing, TD vs New Hampshire

Great comeback. Impressive numbers against CAA teams.xthumbsupx

[Retro]

Having Seen Brown play i would have voted for him or Edwards.. Brown is a much better passer, but edwards is much more agile, but still a good passer this year.. I'd like to see an SLC guy get it, since Mcneese has been shafted so many times for these awards..xbawlingx

[MarchingMountaineer]

AE has plenty of talent around him. Some of the others in my top five did not have as many talented players around them, yet led their team to results. Am I wrong in suggesting that?

Yes - I think you're wrong. While your top 5 were in the top 6, AE got enough top 3 votes to be a finalist. You voted for Landers, who has a talented (and big) line in front of him, for a wide receiver with the 3rd highest rated QB throwing to him, also for a QB with good receivers and the best defense in their conference (who he wasn't leading). Edwards is THE highest efficiency passer and can run. Since he's one of the few players known on this board simply by his initials, I'd say he should get recognition for what he's accomplished instead of weak rationalizations for not getting votes. You're proud to announce you excluded an obviously outstanding performer from your top 5. Fortunately, there are enough honest voters that he's still among the top 3. xnonox

[uofmman1122]

I think Edwards wins the award, given who the other finalists are, but I think the top three should have been:

Armanti Edwards
Nathan Brown
Cameron Higgins

Don't get me wrong, Herb Donaldson and Rodney Landers are incredible athletes, but I don't think they had as good a year as either Higgins or Brown. It almost seems like Landers was added as to kind of fuel some semblance of a rivalry between JMU and ASU, and Donaldson was put in because someone felt there needed to be a running back. These probably aren't the likely reasons, but I kind of see it that way. xpeacex

[Go Apps]

No doubt this belongs to Armani!

Will the CAA voters give too much credit to Landers - remember it was their Kick return specialist who won 2 of their games - ASU and Richmond - Landers would be a huge mistake!

[CamelCityAppFan]

When you look objectively at the 3-year resume Edwards has compiled, I don't know how he doesn't get the Payton this year.

I guess that makes me a homer...xwhistlex

[Dukie95]

No doubt this belongs to Armani!


Agree




remember it was their Kick return specialist who won 2 of their games - ASU and Richmond

I was at the ASU game, and I don't recall JMU being credited with 35 points for that kickoff return...maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't checked the box score in a while.

[appfan2008]

Already said who my players were. I had the other five guys in the top six. Apparently, many others found them worthy if they are all in the top six. Much in tune with the national consensus if you ask me... xthumbsupx

yes but if you end up leaving out the number one guy that would be a big mistake on your part would it not?

[CamelCityAppFan]

Already said who my players were. I had the other five guys in the top six.

That's about the same as "gee, for a fat chick, you don't sweat much".

If the "one out of six" you left out was number 5 or 6, maybe. But not one of the top 2. Heck, keep him in your top 6 and you have a case. But move him out completely? Either you (a) have it in for App/Edwards or (b) haven't been paying attention. I'm guessing the former. xeyebrowx

[ASUTodd]

You missed AE??? Are you a moron?

[leatherneck177]

I believe that if the Necks had made the playoffs Donaldson would have been in better shape to win it. I think Edwards beats out Donaldson for it, with Landers coming in 3rd.

[DaDukes40]

I think the award goes to Edwards and I have no problem with that. He is as deserving as anybody.

However, the homer in me would point to Landers final run against Wofford when he ran through 3 tacklers to ice the game. That run signified everything Rodney has done for this team and why I think he would get my vote.

[ASUTodd]

Dude Landers is an AWESOME PLAYER... No doubt about it. Landers can run over you with size, AE runs over you with, well I don't what it is but he knocks folks down. I would not hesitate to take either of them as my QB and the NFL better take note of both of them. When I look at Landers I think of his as a running back playing QB and when I see AE I think of him as a wide receiver playing QB... Both will cream your butt if you try to tackle them.

[South Carolina Duke]

No doubt this belongs to Armani!

Will the CAA voters give too much credit to Landers - remember it was their Kick return specialist who won 2 of their games - ASU and Richmond - Landers would be a huge mistake!

Scotty ran one 99 yard return back. Rodney ran a 70 yard draw up the gut untouched.

Then solid defense and a powerful JMU offense put more more points on the board in the second half. Unless we watched different games.

[mcveyrl]

I think Edwards wins the award, given who the other finalists are, but I think the top three should have been:

Armanti Edwards
Nathan Brown
Cameron Higgins

Don't get me wrong, Herb Donaldson and Rodney Landers are incredible athletes, but I don't think they had as good a year as either Higgins or Brown. It almost seems like Landers was added as to kind of fuel some semblance of a rivalry between JMU and ASU, and Donaldson was put in because someone felt there needed to be a running back. These probably aren't the likely reasons, but I kind of see it that way. xpeacex


I was a little surprised (but pleased) to see Landers in the Top Three. His stats are not nearly as eye popping as these three guys.

The only reason I can think of is that he's the top player on the top team right now, but I do like the conspiracy/rivalry theory. It's intriguing!xthumbsupx

[th0m]

No doubt this belongs to Armani!

Will the CAA voters give too much credit to Landers - remember it was their Kick return specialist who won 2 of their games - ASU and Richmond - Landers would be a huge mistake!

I'll put this in large writing, so maybe others will remember it as well xsmiley_wix

The Richmond game was tied 31-31 when McGee returned it, had he not returned it we would have likely gotten into overtime, or in range for a FG

Carry on xpeacex

[BDKJMU]

Landers:
-has 18 TD passes vs only 4 INTs on the season.
-his 171.8 QB rating is 3rd behind only Edwards & Higgins (Landers isn't listed among the NCAA leaders as he doesn't have the required minimum 15 passes per game. He avg just under 13 passes per game).
-his 1543 yards rushing is 4th among all I-AA rushers- no other QB is even close.
-his 129 yards rushing per game ranks 7th among all rushers- again no other QB is even close
-his 6.9 yards per carry is also 4th among all I-AA (among those with at least 100 carries), and 2nd among QBs (Pulley, FL A&M is 1st) so you can't chalk up his yards to an exorbitant # of carries- 225, about 19 per game. Its not like JMU runs the wishbone.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/statistics?group=81
http://www.jmusports.com/fls/14400/stats/football/2008/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND

This has all been playing in the toughest league in the country playing one of the toughest schedules (6 of JMU's 12 games have been against teams ranked in the top 12 (at the time) and a 7th was against a BCS) leading his team to an 11-1 record and #1 ranking.xrulesx Sure, Edwards will likely win the Payton, but a few people on here have displayed plain ignorance with the notion that Landers doesn't deserve to be a top 3 finalist. xnonox

[BEAR]

Brown, Edwards, Landers in no particular order are the top 3. Guess any of them are worthy of the award. xthumbsupx

[BigApp]

I did not vote AE in my top five...does that make me a bad person and an uninformed fan? I did have the other five in the top six...xconfusedx

no, it makes you an idiot if you don't think Armanti Edwards is at least one of the 5 best FCS players. If he wasn't, MSM'ers wouldn't even bring his name up (even if its on a rare occasion) during Heisman talk.

It doesn't make you an "uninformed fan", it makes you an uniformed employee. Should we consult your boss that you're this misinformed? It's your JOB to know this stuff.

Are you also the person who was giving Tennessee State #1 votes during the season??

Egregious doesn't even begin to describe this oversight.

[BigApp]

and yes TexasTerror, I'm fully aware of your "role" on this website.

[JMU Newbill]

Does anyone think that the distance each team makes it in the playoffs will matter (assuming the race is between Landers and AE)?

Let's say JMU loses this round (man, I hope not), does that make AE a lock?

And vice versa, do you think if App loses this round and JMU goes on to the final, do you think that makes Landers the favorite?

Just wondering, hopefully neither team will lose this week, but I am interested to hear what people think.

[mcveyrl]

Does anyone think that the distance each team makes it in the playoffs will matter (assuming the race is between Landers and AE)?

Let's say JMU loses this round (man, I hope not), does that make AE a lock?

And vice versa, do you think if App loses this round and JMU goes on to the final, do you think that makes Landers the favorite?

Just wondering, hopefully neither team will lose this week, but I am interested to hear what people think.

Nope. Everybody's already voted.

[JMU Newbill]

Nope. Everybody's already voted.

Well in that case, I hope AE wins. We would never, ever, ever hear the end of the "luck" or the "CAA is weak" or the "your win in September didn't matter" or the "Landers is over-rated" or the "SoCon is better than the CAA" or the "your defense sucks" or the "you only win b/c you throw streamers at your games" arguments.

Ok, the last one is a stretch.... but still. If AE does not win, this message board may explode.

[DinoDex200]

I think you consider the body of work, in this case. I don't always advocate that position (see: Ron Dayne), but Armanti has put up solid year afte solid year, and his Passing numbers are the best they have been in his 3 years in Boone.

Considering he came into the year losing his top 2 receivers, along with his stud-RB from last year's team, then had to deal with his top 3 RBs all going down with injuries of varying severity this year, and then still managed to put up a 24-2 TD/INT ratio and around 800 yds rushing, is pretty impressive.

That is also to say that it's kind of funny that we talk about how much talent he has around him, when his top 3 targets for most of the year have been a RFr. TE, a RFr. WR, and a RSo., WR...and he's had little consisitent run support to speak of.

[BDKJMU]

Nope. Everybody's already voted.

One problem I have with the award. The voting takes place before the playoffs. Say if you have 2 contenders who are close in the regular season, but one of them has a phenominal 2-4 games in the playoffs, and the other one tanks. That should be taken into account. If the award isn't given till the eve of the NC game, the voting shouldn't take place till after the semis.

Now granted both Landers and Edwards had excellent games last week, so if the voting was this week, not much would have changed- it would still be Edwards 1, Landers 2.

[KAUMASS]

One problem I have with the award. The voting takes place before the playoffs. Say if you have 2 contenders who are close in the regular season, but one of them has a phenominal 2-4 games in the playoffs, and the other one tanks. That should be taken into account. If the award isn't given till the eve of the NC game, the voting shouldn't take place till after the semis.

Now granted both Landers and Edwards had excellent games last week, so if the voting was this week, not much would have changed- it would still be Edwards 1, Landers 2.


I agree. I wish the voting was done after the playoffs.

[BeauFoster]

I'll put this in large writing, so maybe others will remember it as well xsmiley_wix

The Richmond game was tied 31-31 when McGee returned it, had he not returned it we would have likely gotten into overtime, or in range for a FG

Carry on xpeacex

I wouldn't assume a field goal if I were JMU. I seem to remember one being a "sure thing" last Thanksgiving that didn't work out so well...xwhistlex

[BeauFoster]

I did not vote AE in my top five...does that make me a bad person and an uninformed fan? I did have the other five in the top six...xconfusedx

This post reeks of the continued anti-ASU bias that is held by the administration of this website.

[KAUMASS]

All great players on the list. It's a two man race, Edwards or Landers.

[BigApp]

If AE does not win, this message board may explode.

that's NOT the issue here. The issue is the OP doesn't think Armanti Edwards is even a Top 5 selection. Whether he wins or not is a legitimate issue for another thread.

As my 4-year old says: "That's crazy talk!"

[jmufan999]

Armanti deserves it and will win it.

[ASUMountaineer]

Well in that case, I hope AE wins. We would never, ever, ever hear the end of the "luck" or the "CAA is weak" or the "your win in September didn't matter" or the "Landers is over-rated" or the "SoCon is better than the CAA" or the "your defense sucks" or the "you only win b/c you throw streamers at your games" arguments.

Ok, the last one is a stretch.... but still. If AE does not win, this message board may explode.

Well, in the grand scheme of things it didn't. xrulesx Except putting you guys #1 and us (eventually) #2.

Anyways, I hope no one is saying the SoCon is better. I think the SoCon is probably the second toughest conference, but it's not the best. The CAA clearly is the best conference. I'm not sure who is making the argument Lander's is over-rated, that would be stupid. However, I do know someone on here who thinks AE is over-rated (TT). xpeacex

[South Carolina Duke]

Blasphemy! On all counts..

[Banks!!!]

Just LOL at leaving AE out of the Top 5 for the Payton. Who's got your #1 Heisman vote this year, Jimmy Clausen?

[DLS]

One problem I have with the award. The voting takes place before the playoffs. Say if you have 2 contenders who are close in the regular season, but one of them has a phenominal 2-4 games in the playoffs, and the other one tanks. That should be taken into account. If the award isn't given till the eve of the NC game, the voting shouldn't take place till after the semis.

Now granted both Landers and Edwards had excellent games last week, so if the voting was this week, not much would have changed- it would still be Edwards 1, Landers 2.

but what if the winner doesnt make it to the playoffs? i.e. 2007

[mcveyrl]

but what if the winner doesnt make it to the playoffs? i.e. 2007

I think that's the issue and a good reason to vote beforehand.

I found this clip on YouTube of Landers. It was made before the Towson game and I'm not crazy about how misleading the intro is (he led JMU to a win over #3 UMass...yea, um, about that #3 ranking).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7o0t_dHI4

Anyway, my favorite parts are:

3:05 - helmet flying during the run
4:00 - spin move against Nova
4:20 - :D
5:10 - run against UD
and the passes at 5:38 and 6:03

I'm not advocating for him as the Payton winner because I think AE will get it and deserves it. I was just excited to find this clip online.

[JMU DJ]

I think that's the issue and a good reason to vote beforehand.

I found this clip on YouTube of Landers. It was made before the Towson game and I'm not crazy about how misleading the intro is (he led JMU to a win over #3 UMass...yea, um, about that #3 ranking).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7o0t_dHI4

Anyway, my favorite parts are:

3:05 - helmet flying during the run
4:00 - spin move against Nova
4:20 - :D
5:10 - run against UD
and the passes at 5:38 and 6:03

I'm not advocating for him as the Payton winner because I think AE will get it and deserves it. I was just excited to find this clip online.


The clip around 2:35 reminds of a quarterback who won the Heisman trophy from a university that shall not be named xwhistlex... may the best player win. I respect what all of the finalist have done for their teams.

[ASUMountaineer]

I think that's the issue and a good reason to vote beforehand.

I found this clip on YouTube of Landers. It was made before the Towson game and I'm not crazy about how misleading the intro is (he led JMU to a win over #3 UMass...yea, um, about that #3 ranking).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7o0t_dHI4

Anyway, my favorite parts are:

3:05 - helmet flying during the run
4:00 - spin move against Nova
4:20 - :D
5:10 - run against UD
and the passes at 5:38 and 6:03

I'm not advocating for him as the Payton winner because I think AE will get it and deserves it. I was just excited to find this clip online.

It is cool, when I was in college you couldn't find this stuff for I-AA/ FCS...it's awesome now. It very much seems underground at times. xthumbsupx

[mcveyrl]

It is cool, when I was in college you couldn't find this stuff for I-AA/ FCS...it's awesome now. It very much seems underground at times. xthumbsupx

I follow it much more now that I'm out of school (and have been for almost 10 years...xeekx xeekx )

[DB_Atlantic10]

What are you smoking!? This thing is gonna be edwards in a landslide! The only reason Edwards didn't win the thing last year was because he was injured in the middle of the season and Jayson Foster was balling out of control in the mean time. This thing is a wrap. Most of the football watching populace has heard of Armanti Edwards and the media dangles from his balls weekly. If AE doesn't win it this year he'll NEVER win the thing.Sounds like you're dangling from his balls.....xlolx

[DB_Atlantic10]

No doubt this belongs to Armani!

Will the CAA voters give too much credit to Landers - remember it was their Kick return specialist who won 2 of their games - ASU and Richmond - Landers would be a huge mistake! Don't dog on Landers because he's on the list...the kid has played his heart out all year... Just because the world does not revolve around AE, who is a great player, does not mean you have to put down another great player who is helping to lead his team to one of the greatest years in the history of their program. Obviously someone thinks that is worth some merit as he is one of the finalist.

Winning is also part of the criteria...and those two have lead their teams to 11 plus victories this year, have been on the list from the on set and are still playing in November....

[DB_Atlantic10]

that's NOT the issue here. The issue is the OP doesn't think Armanti Edwards is even a Top 5 selection. Whether he wins or not is a legitimate issue for another thread.

As my 4-year old says: "That's crazy talk!" I would have to agree...not having AE in your top five would show a great lack of knowledge of the FCS in the past couple of years.....

[GATA]

Sounds like you're dangling from his balls.....xlolx

LOL. We should all be honored to dangle from the massive balls of "Almighty" Edwards.

[GATA]

I agree. I wish the voting was done after the playoffs.

I disagree. If you do vote after the playoffs then it's not fair to the great players on all of the other teams that did not have the opportunity to show what they could do in the extra playoff games.

The regular season is PLENTY long enough to make your case for the Walter Payton award...However, perhaps there should be some seperate trophy that they give out...like a Playoff MVP trophy or something.

[Reign of Terrier]

Don't dog on Landers because he's on the list...the kid has played his heart out all year... Just because the world does not revolve around AE, who is a great player, does not mean you have to put down another great player who is helping to lead his team to one of the greatest years in the history of their program. Obviously someone thinks that is worth some merit as he is one of the finalist.

Winning is also part of the criteria...and those two have lead their teams to 11 plus victories this year, have been on the list from the on set and are still playing in November....

Landers probably won't get the award but the JMU OL should get some kind of reward I thought they had a good OL going into the Wofford game but after I knew they did!

[yosef1969]

Can understand not voting him as the winner but not to include him in the TOP 5???? That's obscene. Doesn't make you a bad person but it makes you look silly.

[AppMAN04]

Landers is a good football player, but AE is a great football player and I hope he wins it. GO AppS

[BigApp]

I did not vote AE in my top five...

question for you TexasTerror (I have been waiting for someone else to ask this but alas...):

Why isn't Armanti Edwards in your "top five"?

[JMU Newbill]

I doubt very seriously that anyone can make a valid argument why AE or Landers should not be finalists. I find it even harder to believe that anyone could make a valid argument as to why AE would not be in their top 5.

With that being said... AE wins it in my book... but I'll root for Rodney for as long as he plays.

[Saint3333]

question for you TexasTerror (I have been waiting for someone else to ask this but alas...):

Why isn't Armanti Edwards in your "top five"?

App hate, no other reason. My advice to TT is: Might not like, but learn to love.

[mcveyrl]

question for you TexasTerror (I have been waiting for someone else to ask this but alas...):

Why isn't Armanti Edwards in your "top five"?

I'm not one to bash somebody for their opinion. It is what it is. But, I would also like the basis for that opinion.

[Grizaholic17]

Everyone should know that it's a SHAM that Bardin didn't get in there. He is NFL primed and ready! HUGE receiver with speed and hands! He just looks bored out there!

[CamelCityAppFan]

question for you TexasTerror (I have been waiting for someone else to ask this but alas...):

Why isn't Armanti Edwards in your "top five"?

Been a couple of days, doubt we'll hear the rationalization. Perhaps because there isn't one...

[CamelCityAppFan]

So this is going to just die? A thread gets started by someone who proudly proclaims AE wasn't even in his top 5 for Payton finalists, and then it disappears when people want to know why?

[BeauFoster]

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[BigApp]

question for you TexasTerror (I have been waiting for someone else to ask this but alas...):

Why isn't Armanti Edwards in your "top five"?

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[813Jag]

TT has other commitments.

[TexasTerror]

I didn't realize this thread was still getting some attention.

Made it pretty clear on AE much earlier on this thread, though I'll try again.

I'm more about the guys who don't have has as much talent around them that have successful seasons.

Jerry Moore and his staff have done an exceptional job in recruiting and putting guys around AE that allow him to raise to the level he does. Some of the other guys, not so much. Not the same talent.

How the heck is Nathan Brown doing what he is doing?
Where the heck did Weber State come from? How many FCS fans actually followed WSU and knew exactly where they were before this year?

The list goes on.

I got no hate for Armanti, Jerry Moore or anyone at App St. Love your fans in fact, big fan of JM's staff.

Nothing against App St or anyone.

[CamelCityAppFan]

I'm more about the guys who don't have has as much talent around them that have successful seasons.

Jerry Moore and his staff have done an exceptional job in recruiting and putting guys around AE that allow him to raise to the level he does. Some of the other guys, not so much. Not the same talent.

So by that logic, how are Landers and Barden still on your list? You can't say that James Madison and Cal Poly aren't loaded with talent. They are top-5 teams, and made the playoffs.

Brown and Higgens play for Top 12 teams, one of which made the playoffs.

So I guess by your criteria, only Western Illinois' Donaldson deserves it? xrolleyesx

I think what most don't understand is why someone who is clearly-- easily-- one of the best 3 players in FCS football would be left off, when the other 2 made the list.

[BeauFoster]

I didn't realize this thread was still getting some attention.

Made it pretty clear on AE much earlier on this thread, though I'll try again.

I'm more about the guys who don't have has as much talent around them that have successful seasons.

Jerry Moore and his staff have done an exceptional job in recruiting and putting guys around AE that allow him to raise to the level he does. Some of the other guys, not so much. Not the same talent.

How the heck is Nathan Brown doing what he is doing?
Where the heck did Weber State come from? How many FCS fans actually followed WSU and knew exactly where they were before this year?

The list goes on.

I got no hate for Armanti, Jerry Moore or anyone at App St. Love your fans in fact, big fan of JM's staff.

Nothing against App St or anyone.

That's the biggest load of manure I've read this week. Excluding a player because there is talent around him? You better put on your helmet before you walk into a wall.

[already123]

I might have just read over it, but HOW THE HELL did Higgins get overlooked?!

Single season BSC records mean nothing to the east coast voters?!

Not to mention he took an average (at best) program to places its never been in a VERY long time....

[appstate1998]

I might have just read over it, but HOW THE HELL did Higgins get overlooked?!

Single season BSC records mean nothing to the east coast voters?!

Not to mention he took an average (at best) program to places its never been in a VERY long time....

considering he is on the payton finalist list...how is he being overlooked?

[Woody Hayes]

I'm surprised there is nobody from NDSU in the finals. They were supposed to come in here and blow us all away! What happened?

[MountaineerGuy]

I've always understood awards like this are supposed to be regular season awards. If you want to redefine it as the overall total season, that's one thing. And as far as "What if one of the candidates doesn't get to the playoffs?"

To me, if you're not making it to the playoffs it's going to be very hard to make a case that at least somebody on one of those other 16 teams isn't having a bigger positive impact. It goes with that "I'm not a fan of giving awards for second place" philosophy.

[MountaineerGuy]

and TT, I'm sorry and I hate to be the millionth app fan to reiterate and look like a homer, but...

Sure there's talent, but he is that good. I don't see how you can be watching him play and not see it...unless your point is that you can only really see how good a player is when he's the only good player on his team. In that case, you're advocating only giving MVP awards to teams at the bottom of their conferences...that makes absolutely no sense.

It's like if you were looking at the presidential election and you were predicting who would get the most votes. Your top 6 included John McCain and the top 5 third party candidates, but you didn't think Barack Obama really had a chance.

[Reign of Terrier]

If there is a question about surrounding talent for an award like this:

Then Sam Bradford, Gram Harrell, Tim Tebow, and Colt McCoy shouldn't win the Heisman. However the above are the only remaining candidates.

[phoenixphanatic21]

If I had to pick one out of those 3 to win it, I'd have to go with AE. But hey, that's just me.

[ASUMountaineer]

He does have talent around him, but do you really think you could plug another QB in and have the same results? I don't think so. He's very close to being the only QB in Division I history to go for 2000 passing and 1000 rushing yards in one season TWICE. He missed four games last year and missed doing it by (I think) 46 passing yards.

I don't think that's simply based on the talent around you. By that theory, Graham Harrell at TTU should not even be close to being considered for the Heisman...oh yeah and mark off Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Michael Crabtree, and Tim Tebow. However, take those guys away and I'm not sure the four teams would be in the title hunt. Same with ASU. Am I wrong in suggesting that?


If there is a question about surrounding talent for an award like this:

Then Sam Bradford, Gram Harrell, Tim Tebow, and Colt McCoy shouldn't win the Heisman. However the above are the only remaining candidates.

You sound like a smart kid YT xsmiley_wix xthumbsupx

[BULLDOG8180]

I disagree. If you do vote after the playoffs then it's not fair to the great players on all of the other teams that did not have the opportunity to show what they could do in the extra playoff games.

The regular season is PLENTY long enough to make your case for the Walter Payton award...However, perhaps there should be some seperate trophy that they give out...like a Playoff MVP trophy or something.

IF the voting was done after the playoffs, AE would have won last season.xnodx

[BigApp]

Made it pretty clear on AE much earlier on this thread, though I'll try again.

you made nothing clear earlier. This response only muddies the waters:



I'm more about the guys who don't have has as much talent around them that have successful seasons.



Then I'm sure Ryan Perriloux is very high on your list, right? What about Andre Roberts, John Matthews, Dominic Randolph and Jeremy Moses?

If being successful while not having talent around them is your criteria, why did you vote for other players whose team that won their conference and/or made the playoffs?

Russell Hill from Idaho State is a better fit for this reasoning.

[BDKJMU]

Bump- because of the other Payton thread.

[BigApp]

I guess TexasTerror has taken the "Ignore It & Hope It Goes Away" approach on this thread, eh?

[DLS]

IF the voting was done after the playoffs, AE would have won last season.xnodx

if armanti missed one less regular season game last year he would have won.

he beat michigan AT michigan, cmon.

[BigApp]

I guess TexasTerror has taken the "Ignore It & Hope It Goes Away" approach on this thread, eh?

http://www.cis.gsu.edu/~dstraub/Research/ACIT-APIT/clock.gif

[TexasTerror]

App fans -- seriously, gave my thoughts to it all. You didn't like it, I'm sorry.

I was probably one of the few, if not the only voter to make my vote public. Sorry that I upset you with my vote and not upholding the company line. Next time, I'll make sure to read the memo...

[BeauFoster]

App fans -- seriously, gave my thoughts to it all. You didn't like it, I'm sorry.

I was probably one of the few, if not the only voter to make my vote public. Sorry that I upset you with my vote and not upholding the company line. Next time, I'll make sure to read the memo...

What company line?

Your logic has more holes in it than a screen door. It makes no sense! I'd love for you to try and defend it, it would be much better than any comedy on TV these days.

[TexasTerror]

Do you consider the Payton for the Most VALUABLE or the Most OUTSTANDING? Each voter may have different considerations as far as that goes.

[Skjellyfetti]

Do you consider the Payton for the Most VALUABLE or the Most OUTSTANDING? Each voter may have different considerations as far as that goes.

xlolx xlolx

Um, it isn't supposed to be that subjective I don't believe. Did you miss that memo as well?


The Sports Network established the Walter Payton Player of the Year Award in 1987, and it is presented annually to the most outstanding college football player on the FCS level.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/payton.htm


The Walter Payton Award goes to the best FCS player in the country each year. On Monday, Landers was named one of three finalists for this year's Payton award.

http://www.whsv.com/sports/headlines/35341609.html


Appalachian State University quarterback Armanti Edwards has been voted one of three finalists for the 2008 Walter Payton Award, The Sports Network announced on Monday. The Payton Award is presented annually to the nation’s top NCAA Division I FCS (Football Championship Subdivision — formerly Division I-AA) player.

http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=21500&ATCLID=3626125

It's not an MVP award. It's "most outstanding", "best", etc. award.

Disqualifying AE because he has good teammates is just ridiculous. Again, I don't think I would disagree with you nor would many other App fans if you had someone else first... but... to not have Armanti Edwards in your top 5 and give him zero votes is just laughable. xnonono2x

[BeauFoster]

Do you consider the Payton for the Most VALUABLE or the Most OUTSTANDING? Each voter may have different considerations as far as that goes.

Well, considering that the award is for the MOST OUTSTANDING player (as pointed out in the previous post)...


Keep backpedaling. It's quite entertaining to watch you show your knowledge of the game and its players.

[TexasTerror]

Um, it isn't supposed to be that subjective I don't believe. Did you miss that memo as well?

Yes, but even with it being clear that this is the case, is that always the case with similar awards? Not all voters vote per the definition of awards, which could explain the reason some do not walk the "company line".


It's not an MVP award. It's "most outstanding", "best", etc. award.

Disqualifying AE because he has good teammates is just ridiculous. Again, I don't think I would disagree with you nor would many other App fans if you had someone else first... but... to not have Armanti Edwards in your top 5 and give him zero votes is just laughable. xnonono2x

Exactly. Most outstanding. The outstanding performances of the players I voted for are the exact reasons their team had the success they did.

Just because most everyone else voted for AE in their top five, does that mean that I have to? Does that mean I have to think he is deserving of the top five?

I had the chutzpah to post my ballot, knowing it would be controversial because I did not fall heads over heels for AE. You guys dare ask for anyone else to post theirs? Probably would not have the same chutzpah...

[Black and Gold Express]

It's more like you have no clue for talent if AE is not on that list. You don't have "chutzpah", you just have a desire to show that you lack a brain. There is a reason he is on "everyone else's list", he's just that good.

You are the same as the guy that refuses to vote anyone first ballot to Cooperstown because in his mind nobody should be a unanimous inductee on the first try. No logic in either stance.

[ASUMountaineer]

No offense to TT or anyone else posting, but who cares what this guy thinks? I know I certainly don't, and I'm sure TT could care less who I would put in the top 5. Not saying you're not special TT, just saying, I don't really care who you voted for and why or why not. xpeacex

[TexasTerror]

No offense to TT or anyone else posting, but who cares what this guy thinks? I know I certainly don't, and I'm sure TT could care less who I would put in the top 5. Not saying you're not special TT, just saying, I don't really care who you voted for and why or why not. xpeacex

You are right. I really could care less what you put on your ballot, your top 25 ballot or any other ballot... xthumbsupx

[The Moody1]

No offense to TT or anyone else posting, but who cares what this guy thinks?


Somebody must care what he thinks, because apparently they give this guy a vote. If he didn't actually get to vote then you would just think he was a troll trying to get reactions.

[BigApp]

Do you consider the Payton for the Most VALUABLE or the Most OUTSTANDING? Each voter may have different considerations as far as that goes.


DISCLAIMER: I would still be on your ass about this if you'd have left off Landers.

Does it matter if it's Most Valuable or the Most Outstanding?

I just want to see some coherent rationale that, whichever your "consideration" is, Armanti Edwards isn't worthy of being considered by you as one of the Top 5 players this season in this subdivision.

This thread is now 16 days old. We've yet to see your reasoning.

[TexasTerror]

I gave my reasoning. It didn't pass muster for you, it was not good enough. I'm sorry that I could not devote the time to write a five-page paper explaining why I voted the way I did, because regardless of what I did, it would not be good enough...

Next year, I'll make sure to stick to the company line and vote as everyone sees fit. I'm guessing the memos just not reach my desk this year.

[ASUMountaineer]

I gave my reasoning. It didn't pass muster for you, it was not good enough. I'm sorry that I could not devote the time to write a five-page paper explaining why I voted the way I did, because regardless of what I did, it would not be good enough...

Next year, I'll make sure to stick to the company line and vote as everyone sees fit. I'm guessing the memos just not reach my desk this year.

How do you become a voter?

[ASUMountaineer]

Somebody must care what he thinks, because apparently they give this guy a vote. If he didn't actually get to vote then you would just think he was a troll trying to get reactions.

Maybe so, but I don't care. Why do you?

[GATA]

I gave my reasoning. It didn't pass muster for you, it was not good enough. I'm sorry that I could not devote the time to write a five-page paper explaining why I voted the way I did, because regardless of what I did, it would not be good enough...

Next year, I'll make sure to stick to the company line and vote as everyone sees fit. I'm guessing the memos just not reach my desk this year.

It doesn't really matter if you didn't put Armanti in your top 5 man. However, now everybody knows that your opinion on the Walter Payton award should probably be disregarded since you left the most dynamic/exciting player in the country off of your ballet.

There NO legit reason why Armanti Edwards isn't in anybody's top 5 outside of the fact that they just don't like the kid or the team he plays on.

Hell, I don't like Rodney Lander OR James Madison, but the kid is in my top 5...so is Edwards.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rhett Bomar is on your ballet.

[TexasTerror]

However, now everybody knows that your opinion on the Walter Payton award should probably be disregarded since you left the most dynamic/exciting player in the country off of your ballet.

Well, if you read above -- the Walter Payton Award is not for the "most dynamic" or "most exciting", it is for the "most outstanding". As I've said before, I tend to lean more towards players that without whom, a team could not win. Sure, that's more like "most valuable", but you are pretty darn outstanding if I think you are far and above the #1 reason for your team's success. Oh crap, just gave my reasoning for leaving out AE again.


I wouldn't be surprised if Rhett Bomar is on your ballet.

I would not be surprised if you did not read the VERY first thread in the post, where I said I got FIVE of the TOP SIX. Ballots go five-deep, so I was pretty consistent with my selections outside of Armanti Edwards.


How do you become a voter?

All of those who vote in the Sports Network (media) poll are voters for Sports Network awards (Payton, Robinson, etc).

[The Moody1]

Maybe so, but I don't care. Why do you?

I don't.

[GATA]

Well, if you read above -- the Walter Payton Award is not for the "most dynamic" or "most exciting", it is for the "most outstanding". As I've said before, I tend to lean more towards players that without whom, a team could not win. Sure, that's more like "most valuable", but you are pretty darn outstanding if I think you are far and above the #1 reason for your team's success.

It's pretty clear now. You think that the Walter Payton award is an Most valuable player award.

OUTSTANDING is NOT the same thing as MOST VALUABLE.

Adrian Peterson was the most Outstanding player in college football when he was at OU and he's the most Outstanding player in the NFL now.

However, AP was NEVER the most valuable player in the country...not when you're on a team with as many great players as OU.

The reason why I hate reasoning like yours...is that you penalize players for being on a good team. Seems to me like you need to be a great player on a mediocre or garbage team to even have a hope of making your ballet....

[GATA]

Just to make it clear what "OUTSTANDING" means...



Main Entry:
out·stand·ing Listen to the pronunciation of outstanding
Pronunciation:
\au̇t-ˈstan-diŋ, ˈau̇t-ˌ\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1611

1: standing out : projecting

2 a: unpaid <left several bills outstanding> b: continuing to exist : unresolved <a long outstanding problem in astronomy> cof securities : publicly issued and sold

3 a: standing out from a group : conspicuous b: marked by eminence and distinction

synonyms see noticeable

Maybe all the Walter Payton Award voters should take a look at this before wasting their votes.

[ASUMountaineer]

Well, if you read above -- the Walter Payton Award is not for the "most dynamic" or "most exciting", it is for the "most outstanding". As I've said before, I tend to lean more towards players that without whom, a team could not win. Sure, that's more like "most valuable", but you are pretty darn outstanding if I think you are far and above the #1 reason for your team's success. Oh crap, just gave my reasoning for leaving out AE again.



I would not be surprised if you did not read the VERY first thread in the post, where I said I got FIVE of the TOP SIX. Ballots go five-deep, so I was pretty consistent with my selections outside of Armanti Edwards.



All of those who vote in the Sports Network (media) poll are voters for Sports Network awards (Payton, Robinson, etc).

That's what I thought, but I didn't know if there was a loophole for us non-media folk.

[ASUMountaineer]

I don't.

I mean, he's different. Most people would have had AE in the top 5. He may be the only one that didn't. I don't have to agree with his reasoning (I don't) but, that's cool. He is entitled to his opinion, even if it's wrong. :D

I kid, I kid. We all would defend AE, but I doubt he cares much about the individual accolade, he'd rather be worried about the NC game Friday night, then the Payton. I'm sure that ring is much more valuable.

[Skjellyfetti]

No offense to TT or anyone else posting, but who cares what this guy thinks? I know I certainly don't, and I'm sure TT could care less who I would put in the top 5. Not saying you're not special TT, just saying, I don't really care who you voted for and why or why not. xpeacex

I ordinarily wouldn't care if it was some poll on AGS or something that had no meaning... but, it's actual voting for the most prestigious individual award in FCS. I lost all respect for the Heisman when they gave it to Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning. I'm beginning to lose respect for the Payton now that I'm learning of the twisted methodology of the voters.

[ASUMountaineer]

I ordinarily wouldn't care if it was some poll on AGS or something that had no meaning... but, it's actual voting for the most prestigious individual award in FCS. I lost all respect for the Heisman when they gave it to Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning. I'm beginning to lose respect for the Payton now that I'm learning of the twisted methodology of the voters.

I understand, but like I said, I doubt it's that important to AE. Sure, he'd like to win, but if he doesn't because this guy thinks he doesn't play hard enough to win (because there is more talent around him)--and that is what TT is saying, Armanti doesn't play as hard (or isn't as talented) because he doesn't have to--then AE probably doesn't want the award.

It's obvious, like the Heisman, it's a popularity contest and if AE loses then he was popular enough. There is always too much subjectivity allowed in these votes. For example, the mentality of someone being a sophomore not deserving. Good for the Heisman giving it to Tebow last year and Bradford this year, if they're deserving, who cares what year they are?

Again, TT is entitled to his opinion, and apparently he is a voter. I honestly cannot understand how he thinks there are 5 more players that are more "outstanding" than AE. And, why Landers is more outstanding than AE? Clearly Landers had more talent around him as they beat ASU...just saying.

That is the question that should be asked of TT if you want to know why he didn't put AE in the top 5. How the QB of the #1 team is more "outstanding" when he logically must have more talent around him then the QB of the #2 team that lost to the #1 team. (In other words, if AE isn't as outstanding because of the talent around him, how can Landers be outstanding enough if his team was better than the AE's team?) Logic doesn't always reign supreme.

[Saint3333]

It will be interesting to see how many voters left AE out of their 5. TT may be the only one.

[GATA]

It will be interesting to see how many voters left AE out of their 5. TT may be the only one.

I guarantee he's the only one. Voting Nathan Brown number 1 on your Walter Payton Award ballot is equivalent to voting Matthew Stafford number 1 on a Heisman ballot...

[BigApp]

Seems to me like you need to be a great player on a mediocre or garbage team to even have a hope of making your ballet....

That's what I'm getting too, but it doesn't pass muster. AIR, everyone one of his top 5 either won their conference or made the playoffs.

I don't think the kid from Idaho State or Dominic Randolph from Holy Cross got a single vote.

Randolph fits perfectly to his definition, but he didn't vote that way.

IMOP, this boils down to one of two things. Texas Terror either:


Doesn't like Armanti Edwards
Doesn't like (or is tired of) Appalachian

[BeauFoster]

Eh, TT is just trying to spin it. If he were really voting on the top 5 players in FCS, Edwards would be there.

It's sad that someone with an obvious agenda is given a vote.

[TexasTerror]

Too bad I do not have an agenda.

Have you known me as one to hate on Appalachian State? To not vote for them in first in my AGS and TSN ballots when they were deserving? Before this thread, did you really know any opinion I had of Appy? And does this one thing really generate an opinion that you have of my thought in one single swoosh?

[Skjellyfetti]

Too bad I do not have an agenda.

Have you known me as one to hate on Appalachian State? To not vote for them in first in my AGS and TSN ballots when they were deserving? Before this thread, did you really know any opinion I had of Appy? And does this one thing really generate an opinion that you have of my thought in one single swoosh?

I think you appeased the fanbase you previously infuriated. Nicely done.

[BeauFoster]

Too bad I do not have an agenda.

Have you known me as one to hate on Appalachian State? To not vote for them in first in my AGS and TSN ballots when they were deserving? Before this thread, did you really know any opinion I had of Appy? And does this one thing really generate an opinion that you have of my thought in one single swoosh?

I've been reading your stuff for a while and I know what purpose you serve on this website. I also know the company line here. Either you have an agenda or you just don't recognize talent when it's presented to you on multiple occasions. You tell me which one it is.

[BEAR]

I guarantee he's the only one. Voting Nathan Brown number 1 on your Walter Payton Award ballot is equivalent to voting Matthew Stafford number 1 on a Heisman ballot...


You obviously have never seen Brown in a game before. Comparing Stafford to Brown is just plain outrageous!

Stafford out of high school:

He received numerous accolades including being named to the Parade Magazine All-America Team and the USA Today Pre-Season Super 25 in 2005.[1] He also won the MVP and Best Arm awards at the 2005 EA Sports Elite 11 Quarterback Camp and was named the 2005 EA Sports National Player of the Year.[2] Famed American football analyst, Mel Kiper, Jr., predicted, before he ever started a game at the collegiate level, that Stafford would eventually be the first pick in the NFL draft.[3] After the 2008 NFL Draft in late April 2008, several NFL analysts predicted Stafford would be the #1 pick in the 2009 draft if he chose to leave school after the 2008 season.


Brown out of high school:

Played QB his senior year. Back up to Landon Leach. Preferred baseball.


Stafford in college:

Career statistics
(as of December 3, 2008)

Passing Rushing
Year Comp Att Yards Pct. TDs Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2006 135 256 1,749 52.7 7 13 109.0 47 191 4.1 3
2007 194 348 2,523 55.7 19 10 128.9 39 -18 -0.5 2
2008 215 352 3,209 61.1 22 9 153.2 49 31 0.6 1
Totals 544 956 7,481 56.9 48 32 132.5 135 204 1.5 6


Brown in college:

YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2005 CARK 1 3 33.3 8 2.7 1 8 0 165.74 (full stats not listed)
2006 CARK 157 242 64.9 1858 7.7 18 55 8 147.30 (injured out 3 games)
2007 CARK 256 377 67.9 3084 8.2 26 71 10 154.07
2008 CARK 254 375 67.7 3206 8.5 31 79 4 164.69

Brown passed for over 10,000 yards, 100 TDs (21st qb in NCAA history to do that), will attend the NFL combine, will attend the Senior Bowl, is the SLC Player of the Year..blah, blah..and so on and so forth. Who cares, what he does on the field and in practice is all anyone needs to know to justify his talent and a vote for first. Just because many posters on here haven't heard of him doesn't make Edwards better than him. ASU has been established in the FCS for years now and has gotten national pub for a great win v. michigan, UCA is new to the level so Brown isn't getting the credit he deserves from this level. No disrespect to Edwards, he's phenomenal, but so is Brown. Either one in my opinion is worthy of the first place vote. But I agree with most posters, I wouldn't leave Edwards off the ballot. That's just as crazy as comparing Stafford to Brown. xcoffeex

[CamelCityAppFan]

Wow-- not only did AE win, he won with the most votes in the last 10 years or so (and by a big margin).

Just sayin' xcoffeex

[TexasTerror]

And from the count - 8 voters did not vote for AE in their top five. So, yours truly was not alone and shared some of the opinion I did to some degree. :)

[ASUMountaineer]

And from the count - 8 voters did not vote for AE in their top five. So, yours truly was not alone and shared some of the opinion I did to some degree. :)

An I could still care less. :)

[appfan2008]

And from the count - 8 voters did not vote for AE in their top five. So, yours truly was not alone and shared some of the opinion I did to some degree. :)

for a player to get 53 first place votes and win by over a hundred... you and the other 7 who thought he wasnt good enough to be in the top seriously should have your voting priveledges taken away... that simple... i am not kidding...just dumb

[DLS]

for a player to get 53 first place votes and win by over a hundred... you and the other 7 who thought he wasnt good enough to be in the top seriously should have your voting priveledges taken away... that simple... i am not kidding...just dumb

yup, something is definitely reeking of "hidden agenda"

anyone hear a reason yet? besides "it's a free country and i can say what i want"

[texcap]

And from the count - 8 voters did not vote for AE in their top five. So, yours truly was not alone and shared some of the opinion I did to some degree. :)

So out of 102 voters, you and 7 others didn't recognize AE's talent?

That would put you in the bottom 8% percentile. xsmiley_wix

[GATA]

And from the count - 8 voters did not vote for AE in their top five. So, yours truly was not alone and shared some of the opinion I did to some degree. :)

Looks like Nathan Brown got 1 first place vote...

[TexasTerror]

Looks like Nathan Brown got 1 first place vote...

Yep -- we knew that beforehand, covered it in the very first post on this thread. xrulesx

[Saint3333]

And from the count - 8 voters did not vote for AE in their top five. So, yours truly was not alone and shared some of the opinion I did to some degree. :)

Clap... clap... clap... <---- we need a slow clap icon.

8 of you were wrong, congrats.