Sagarin Conference Ratings

[Green26]

Hree's the ltop 4 of the latest Sagarin ratings for conferences:

13 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.27 57.72 ( 13) 12
14 SOUTHERN (AA)= 56.39 55.42 ( 14) 9
15 BIG SKY (AA)= 54.15 53.98 ( 15) 9
16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 53.93 52.22 ( 17) 9

[kirkblitz]

hes a hater lol

[darell1976]

Hree's the ltop 4 of the latest Sagarin ratings for conferences:

13 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.27 57.72 ( 13) 12
14 SOUTHERN (AA)= 56.39 55.42 ( 14) 9
15 BIG SKY (AA)= 54.15 53.98 ( 15) 9
16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 53.93 52.22 ( 17) 9

No Great West?? what a loser.xlolx

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

Hree's the ltop 4 of the latest Sagarin ratings for conferences:

13 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.27 57.72 ( 13) 12
14 SOUTHERN (AA)= 56.39 55.42 ( 14) 9
15 BIG SKY (AA)= 54.15 53.98 ( 15) 9
16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 53.93 52.22 ( 17) 9

Seriously! This guy is just trying to start a fight! xpopcornx

[Green26]

Here's the list of all of the I-AA conferences, and the link. The first ranking is Central Mean. The second column is Simple Average. Note that the Southland jumps into 4th on the list in the Simple Average column.

13 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.27 57.72 ( 13) 12
14 SOUTHERN (AA)= 56.39 55.42 ( 14) 9
15 BIG SKY (AA)= 54.15 53.98 ( 15) 9
16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 53.93 52.22 ( 17) 9
17 GREAT WEST (AA)= 51.93 52.18 ( 18) 5
18 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 51.25 52.28 ( 16) 8
19 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 48.76 48.14 ( 19) 8
20 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 45.81 45.19 ( 20) 7
21 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 44.05 44.39 ( 22) 9
22 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 43.87 44.81 ( 21) 7
23 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 38.64 38.12 ( 23) 10
24 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 35.46 35.29 ( 24) 10
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 35.31 35.00 ( 25) 8
26 PIONEER (AA)= 29.69 29.54 ( 26) 9
27 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 23.85 23.86 ( 27)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

[appfan2008]

very interesting... big sky is rather high... while i am surprised to see the mvfc in fourth!

[Rob Iola]

Southland and Ohio Valley seem a bit low, Ivy a bit high...

[WrenFGun]

No surprise. CAA is the best conference in FCS, as per the norm.

[elcid96]

No surprise. CAA is the best conference in FCS, as per the norm.

Is the norm only two months long? The SOCON was rated higher than CAA in the final Sagarin poll last year.

[Green26]

AppFan2008:

The Big Sky has been ranked above the Southern Conference every year, except for 2007, going back to 1998, is my recollection. Here's a link that has the historical information. I didn't check the information today, but I'm pretty sure I checked this earlier this year all the way back.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin-archive.htm

[Green26]

Using the Sagarin ratings, the CAA has been a strong conference. However, excluding '07, the Big Sky was the top rated conference in the previous 5-year period, and the Big Sky (and another conference I believe) was also the top rated conference for the prior 4-year period. I compiled the stats for this earlier this year, but I don't have my notes with me now. My methodology was to take the yearly rankings and average them.

Some of you seem to think that because the Big Sky was down last year (ranked as low as 7th) that it's not a strong conference. In fact, it was been one of the top 3 conferences over virtually any period you want to analyze.

[Ronin]

The only surprise to me was Big Sky being so high.

[89Hen]

In fact*, it was been one of the top 3 conferences over virtually any period you want to analyze.
* as rated by a computer xpeacex

[Rob Iola]

This is all interesting fodder for AGS watercooler banter, but the fact is that lately the Big Sky has been the odd conference out in the annual CAA/Socon/Gateway, er, MVC playoff showdown. Montana, EWU, and at times NAU and Montana St. have promised much but delivered little of late...

[aceinthehole]

23 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 38.64 38.12 ( 23) 10
24 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 35.46 35.29 ( 24) 10
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 35.31 35.00 ( 25) 8
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

I don't put much stock in these numbers, but for the record it looks like the NEC did its best ever to come close to moving up a rung on the ladder and possible overtake at least 1 AQ conference.

[Rob Iola]

I don't put much stock in these numbers, but for the record it looks like the NEC did its best ever to come close to moving up a rung on the ladder and possible overtake at least 1 AQ conference.
Albany/CC vs. any MEAC team? Easy money no matter what the line...

[danefan]

Albany/CC vs. any MEAC team? Easy money no matter what the line...

With half the scholarships. Tell me again why the NEC is limiting its teams scholarships? :( xconfusedx

[UAalum72]

I don't put much stock in these numbers, but for the record it looks like the NEC did its best ever to come close to moving up a rung on the ladder and possible overtake at least 1 AQ conference.
Ken Massey, who unlike Sagarin does rank all 716 NCAA and NAIA teams, already has the NEC ahead of the MEAC.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf
Rank Name Teams Wins Losses Rating
1 Colonial (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=74878&s=85513) 12 23 17 1.032
2 Southern (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14068&s=85513) 9 18 13 0.989
3 Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14116&s=85513) 8 19 14 0.836
4 Big Sky (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10670&s=85513) 9 14 16 0.749
5 Great West (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11978&s=85513) 5 13 12 0.743
6 Missouri Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=85697&s=85513) 9 11 17 0.723
7 OH Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13199&s=85513) 9 15 17 0.582
8 Ivy League (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=12210&s=85513) 8 8 8 0.561
9 Big South (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10676&s=85513) 7 15 18 0.551
10 Patriot League (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13337&s=85513) 7 11 12 0.423
11 Northeast (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13049&s=85513) 8 13 15 0.203
12 Mid-Eastern AC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=12549&s=85513) 10 10 13 0.191
13 Southwestern AC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14167&s=85513) 10 9 21 0.049
14 1-AA Independents (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=9227&s=85513) 5 11 16 -0.087
15 Pioneer (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13408&s=85513) 9 15 12 -0.159

[dbackjon]

Massey also has Vanderbilt #1 in the nation...

[lizrdgizrd]

Massey also has Vanderbilt #1 in the nation...

They do manage to keep winning in the SEC... xchinscratchx

[dbackjon]

They do manage to keep winning in the SEC... xchinscratchx


i know - and it is great!

[lizrdgizrd]

Ken Massey, who unlike Sagarin does rank all 716 NCAA and NAIA teams, already has the NEC ahead of the MEAC.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf
Rank Name Teams Wins Losses Rating
1 Colonial (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=74878&s=85513) 12 23 17 1.032
2 Southern (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14068&s=85513) 9 18 13 0.989
3 Southland (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14116&s=85513) 8 19 14 0.836
4 Big Sky (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10670&s=85513) 9 14 16 0.749
5 Great West (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11978&s=85513) 5 13 12 0.743
6 Missouri Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=85697&s=85513) 9 11 17 0.723
7 OH Valley (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13199&s=85513) 9 15 17 0.582
8 Ivy League (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=12210&s=85513) 8 8 8 0.561
9 Big South (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=10676&s=85513) 7 15 18 0.551
10 Patriot League (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13337&s=85513) 7 11 12 0.423
11 Northeast (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13049&s=85513) 8 13 15 0.203
12 Mid-Eastern AC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=12549&s=85513) 10 10 13 0.191
13 Southwestern AC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14167&s=85513) 10 9 21 0.049
14 1-AA Independents (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=9227&s=85513) 5 11 16 -0.087
15 Pioneer (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=13408&s=85513) 9 15 12 -0.159

Winning percentage is an interesting measuring stick...

Southern .581
Southland .576
Colonial .575
Pioneer .556
Great West .520
Ivy League .500
Patriot League .478
OH Valley .469
Big Sky .467
Northeast .464
Big South .455
Mid-Eastern AC .435
1-AA Independents .407
Missouri Valley .393
Southwestern AC .300

[Syntax Error]

GPI comes out this week. xthumbsupx

[danefan]

Winning percentage is an interesting measuring stick...

Southern .581
Southland .576
Colonial .575
Pioneer .556
Great West .520
Ivy League .500
Patriot League .478
OH Valley .469
Big Sky .467
Northeast .464
Big South .455
Mid-Eastern AC .435
1-AA Independents .407
Missouri Valley .393
Southwestern AC .300

Interesting? Yes.
Accurate? Not even close.

[89Hen]

Winning percentage is an interesting measuring stick...
It would at least be more interesting if all the conferences had at least 9 members. xpeacex

[Chi Panther]

Hree's the ltop 4 of the latest Sagarin ratings for conferences:

13 COLONIAL (AA)= 58.27 57.72 ( 13) 12
14 SOUTHERN (AA)= 56.39 55.42 ( 14) 9
15 BIG SKY (AA)= 54.15 53.98 ( 15) 9
16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 53.93 52.22 ( 17) 9

I knew the MVFC was down this year.

Even the teams at the top are down.:(

[lizrdgizrd]

Just another tidbit of information:


Conference OOC Win OOC Loss Win % FCS Win FCS Loss FCS Win %
Colonial 22 18 55.00% 21 5 80.77%
Southern 18 13 58.06% 12 4 75.00%
Southland 19 14 57.58% 8 5 61.54%
Big Sky 14 16 46.67% 3 4 42.86%
Great West 11 12 47.83% 3 10 23.08%
Missouri Valley 11 17 39.29% 8 6 57.14%

[blueballs]

AppFan2008:

The Big Sky has been ranked above the Southern Conference every year, except for 2007, going back to 1998, is my recollection. Here's a link that has the historical information. I didn't check the information today, but I'm pretty sure I checked this earlier this year all the way back.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin-archive.htm

Not to start a debate or anything but...

Going back to 1998... SoCon 5 National Titles and 2 runner-ups (three different teams), Big Sky 1 title and 2 runner-ups (all by the same team).

[Kymermosst]

Just another tidbit of information:


Conference Win Loss Win % FCS Win FCS Loss FCS Win %
Colonial 22 18 55.00% 21 5 80.77%
Southern 18 13 58.06% 12 4 75.00%
Southland 19 14 57.58% 10 5 66.67%
Big Sky 14 16 46.67% 5 4 55.56%
Great West 11 12 47.83% 3 10 23.08%
Missouri Valley 11 17 39.29% 9 6 60.00%

I like this as a gauge for conference ratings, and it's hard to argue. Do you have numbers for the rest of the conferences as well?

[lizrdgizrd]

I like this as a gauge for conference ratings, and it's hard to argue. Do you have numbers for the rest of the conferences as well?

Not yet. Gotta do some actual work at work. xlolx

Also updated the original to show that these are just OOC games, not conference games (every conf. goes .500 on those).

[Syntax Error]

Sagarin? For FCS? Uh, no. Sags doesn't even rate all the teams FCS plays. Asked him to do it (simple application of his formula), he said no. "My formula is for the BCS, not other divisions." CASE CLOSED.

[lizrdgizrd]

Just another tidbit of information:


Conference OOC Win OOC Loss Win % FCS Win FCS Loss FCS Win %
Colonial 22 18 55.00% 21 5 80.77%
Southern 18 13 58.06% 12 4 75.00%
Southland 19 14 57.58% 8 5 61.54%
Big Sky 14 16 46.67% 3 4 42.86%
Great West 11 12 47.83% 3 10 23.08%
Missouri Valley 11 17 39.29% 8 6 57.14%
Ohio Valley 15 17 46.88% 10 5 66.67%
Ivy 7 9 43.75% 7 9 43.75%
Big South 15 18 45.45% 8 13 38.10%
Patriot 11 12 47.83% 11 12 47.83%
Northeast 13 15 46.43% 10 15 40.00%
Mid-Eastern 13 13 50.00% 10 8 55.56%
South-Western 9 18 33.33% 0 10 0.00%
Independents 12 23 34.29% 4 22 15.38%
Pioneer 15 12 55.56% 5 5 50.00%



Updated!

[eaglewithabus]

Not to start a debate or anything but...

Going back to 1998... SoCon 5 National Titles and 2 runner-ups (three different teams), Big Sky 1 title and 2 runner-ups (all by the same team).

excellent point.