Princeton vs The Citadel game thread

[CSUBUCDAD]

Princeton up on the pups 3-0 early.

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any free video/audio link?

[CSUBUCDAD]

http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/Kirkman/WTMZ/wtmz.asx

10-0 now in the second.

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dang, my browser doesn't like the link, kills the browser

[CSUBUCDAD]

Pups finally put it in the endzone. 10-7 with three minutes left in the first half.

[CSUBUCDAD]

dang, my browser doesn't like the link, kills the browser

Should bring up windows media player. Do you have that on you machine? If not you can also use VLC Player.

[CSUBUCDAD]

17-7 Princeton at the end of the first half. Pups getting outsmarted and out played early

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Should bring up windows media player. Do you have that on you machine? If not you can also use VLC Player.

I have both, I'll try to load the url in VLC, been watching the live stats

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okay, I opened the url in WMP and it worked, thanks!

[catamount man]

Not a good day for the SoCon so far.xmadx

[CSUBUCDAD]

Dogs strike quick in the third making it 21-17 pups.

[Franks Tanks]

Kevin Higgins has always had Princeton's number. His Lehigh teams always smashed the Tigers.

[CSUBUCDAD]

Dogs piling on now 37-17 in the 4th.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Kevin Higgins has always had Princeton's number. His Lehigh teams always smashed the Tigers.

Maybe Coen learned a few things today since Lehigh plays Princeton next week. Then again probably not xcoffeex

[Ivytalk]

It took awhile to develop, but The Citadel Buzzcuts soundly beat the Princeton Plantations.xcoolx xcoolx

[CID1990]

Thoughts:

Princeton's band has less class than the cheap seats at Paulson Stadium. They nearly got their butts kicked on our campus before the game.

Princeton has a great QB.

The Citadel IS capable of playing flat, unemotional football. Good thing they came awake in the 2nd half.

El Cid's defense is still an unknown quantity. They are certainly capable of playing well, but so far that has just been against an NAIA and an Ivy League team. Next week against WCU and then against ASU a week later should clear things up.

[CSUBUCDAD]

I read that story in the paper about the Princeton band. Are they really that stupid? You don't come down south the hollowed grounds of the most historic military school in the south and do what they did. Shame on them. I am no Bulldog football fan, but I am a Southerner who completely understands and supports the historic traditions of that great institution and I stand by my brothers in defending her honor.

[Millwoch]

I read that story in the paper about the Princeton band. Are they really that stupid? You don't come down south the hollowed grounds of the most historic military school in the south and do what they did. Shame on them. I am no Bulldog football fan, but I am a Southerner who completely understands and supports the historic traditions of that great institution and I stand by my brothers in defending her honor.


Ken Burger summed it up pretty well

"The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them."

I will not say any more about it....they just want us to get pissed about it. They would make famed alumnus Michelle Obama proud. The sad part is that is exactly what they think about us southerners. Can't wait to visit their snooty campus next year.

[Franks Tanks]

Ken Burger summed it up pretty well

"The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them."

I will not say any more about it....they just want us to get pissed about it. They would make famed alumnus Michelle Obama proud. The sad part is that is exactly what they think about us southerners. Can't wait to visit their snooty campus next year.

Go Gate tried to warn you guys. They do this everywhere. Columbia Band almost caused a holy war a few years ago with some tasteless comments about Catholics when they played ay Fordham.

Funny thing is I knew this would happen when I heard they were coming.

[Franks Tanks]

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/sep/21/shame_on_princeton_band55311/

Shame on the Princeton band
By Ken Burger (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Sunday, September 21, 2008


The Princeton Band, known for its antics on the field, earned the wrath and disdain of Citadel cadets Saturday by its misbehavior off the field.

As one of the infamous "scramble bands" at various brainy schools across the country, the Princeton Band came to town for its first visit when the Tiger football team played The Citadel at Johnson Hagood Stadium.

These bands, made up of students and alumni, are often funny and clever with their irreverent attitude toward the traditions of college football.

A few hours before Saturday's game, 40 or more band members strolled down Hagood Avenue in front of the stadium. As the motley crew passed by, many tailgating Citadel and Princeton fans were amused by their coonskin caps and toilet-seat drums.

That, however, is where they should have stopped.

Instead, they meandered a few more blocks onto The Citadel campus where the band of druthers ran head-on into the band of brothers.

Bad blood

Eyewitness reports say the clownish band members, mocking the military school, paraded all too close to the campus's central parade field where cadets were taking part in Field Day exercises.

When they turned and started sashaying down the "Avenue of Remembrance" in front of the school's library, a group of highly irritated cadets surged toward them in a very menacing manner.

"It was awful," one cadet said of the incident. "They're lucky they didn't get killed."

Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. But, the bad blood spilled over into the afternoon's game. When the Princeton Band came out to perform at halftime, the entire Corps of Cadets booed them roundly, loudly and continuously while they attempted to perform.

Granted, such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.

Give 'em a medal

In case you're wondering, Citadel officials knew of the band's raucous reputation and approved their script before the game. Groups like this, however, are all about disrespecting authority.

Not that it mattered. Fans at the game could not hear anything the band said or played as the chorus of boos from the cadets completely drowned them out.

Later, with only a few minutes left in the game, a squad of cadets encircled the Princeton Band in the stands. This culture clash lasted a few minutes before the cops broke it up.

Meanwhile, the Bulldogs taught the Tigers a thing or two about football, winning the game 37-24.

When asked about the incidents, Citadel spokesman Jeff Perez said of the cadets' halftime behavior, "We hold them to a higher standard. We will speak to them about the booing."

Heck, instead of a tongue lashing, the entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.

The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.






Wow you Citadel guys are really a bunch of complainers actually.

"Eyewitness reports say the clownish band members, mocking the military school, paraded all too close to the campus's central parade field where cadets were taking part in Field Day exercises.

When they turned and started sashaying down the "Avenue of Remembrance" in front of the school's library, a group of highly irritated cadets surged toward them in a very menacing manner.

"It was awful," one cadet said of the incident. "They're lucky they didn't get killed.""

So you you guys play soldier with your cute fake little uniforms. When you get called out about it the only retort is "lucky we didnt kill them" how enlightened.


"Later, with only a few minutes left in the game, a squad of cadets encircled the Princeton Band in the stands. This culture clash lasted a few minutes before the cops broke it up. "

Oh the big tough cadets were threatning the members of the Princeton Band?? The Princeton freakin Band is the biggest collection of smart aleck geeks you have ever seen. How bout those refined gentlemen of the Citadel, threatning to beat up 25 big nerds from Princeton. Grow a pair and take the satire like men, you deserve it.

[aust42]

"Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency."

What do you expect from a Screaming Left Wing Homo Ivy League school.

[Franks Tanks]

"Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency."

What do you expect from a Screaming Left Wing Homo Ivy League school.

I dont know perhaps biting sarcasm intended to create the exact effect it did-- cause the big tough cadets to harrass female Princeton Members. Big tough guys.

[Biff]

I think PUB's actions shows you how much a high SAT score and High GPA really means. Jack *****. How smart is it to take there small band, march on the campus of a 2000 cadet military college, and start mocking the existance of the college and its students. This sort of instigation is only going to start some sort fight.

Minus the destruction of band equipment, I think the reaction is quite appropriate. Although, I would have just escorted them off campus. If the refused, then physical force would be quite sufficient.

[Eaglesrus]

Thoughts:

Princeton's band has less class than the cheap seats at Paulson Stadium. They nearly got their butts kicked on our campus before the game.

Princeton has a great QB.

The Citadel IS capable of playing flat, unemotional football. Good thing they came awake in the 2nd half.

El Cid's defense is still an unknown quantity. They are certainly capable of playing well, but so far that has just been against an NAIA and an Ivy League team. Next week against WCU and then against ASU a week later should clear things up.

Yeah, you have a lot of room to talk. You should try sitting next to the corp of cadets sometime.

[CSUBUCDAD]

Yeah, you have a lot of room to talk. You should try sitting next to the corp of cadets sometime.

Hey Eaglesrus, I bet he has many a game under his belt sitting IN the corp of cadets

[Franks Tanks]

I think PUB's actions shows you how much a high SAT score and High GPA really means. Jack *****. How smart is it to take there small band, march on the campus of a 2000 cadet military college, and start mocking the existance of the college and its students. This sort of instigation is only going to start some sort fight.

Minus the destruction of band equipment, I think the reaction is quite appropriate. Although, I would have just escorted them off campus. If the refused, then physical force would be quite sufficient.

Maybe your administration should have been more prudent and not invite them in the first place. It is like going to see Chris Rock and then get offended when he uses the N-word. You know its gonna happen, if you dont like it dont go or dont allow the band to come.

Glad so see The Citadel is creating such fine gentlemen that they have to be restrained by police to not attack the dangerous Princeton band. They are smarter then the corps clearly. They antagagnozied and made you all look like fools-- just as they intended.

[elcid03]

I dont know perhaps biting sarcasm intended to create the exact effect it did-- cause the big tough cadets to harrass female Princeton Members. Big tough guys.


Alright, I want to chime in on this and since this is my first post I'd like it to count. There are certain things that are sacred to a school like mine and my fellow Alumni and friends at The Citadel. The street they marched down mockingly is a street which is dedicated to our fellow brothers in arms who have died in conflict protecting our freedom of speech and our liberties of Americans. I feel everyone benefits from this and for you to paint the Cadets as Whiners is a little sophomoric. Also, lets be a little more refined than to say the Cadets "need to grow a pair". I know we are all "computer heroes" when we do these posts, but I feel perhaps if you do not have anything good to say and since you have probably not even spoken to one Cadet in your lifetime, I feel this is something that you needed to know. These Cadets were sticking up for their school, and most importantly, those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

[CID1990]

Alright, I want to chime in on this and since this is my first post I'd like it to count. There are certain things that are sacred to a school like mine and my fellow Alumni and friends at The Citadel. The street they marched down mockingly is a street which is dedicated to our fellow brothers in arms who have died in conflict protecting our freedom of speech and our liberties of Americans. I feel everyone benefits from this and for you to paint the Cadets as Whiners is a little sophomoric. Also, lets be a little more refined than to say the Cadets "need to grow a pair". I know we are all "computer heroes" when we do these posts, but I feel perhaps if you do not have anything good to say and since you have probably not even spoken to one Cadet in your lifetime, I feel this is something that you needed to know. These Cadets were sticking up for their school, and most importantly, those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

Hey, good post, but don't sweat Franks Tanks and just see him for what he is: a little pencil neck who got his lunch money stolen one too many times in grade school.

[Franks Tanks]

Hey, good post, but don't sweat Franks Tanks and just see him for what he is: a little pencil neck who got his lunch money stolen one too many times in grade school.

Your gonna try to beat me up? Seems to be the response for Cadets who cant express themselves through words.

A few years ago the Columbia band made some very off color jokes at a Fordham game. Did the Fordham students try to beat em up--no. School officials spoke to each other and Columbia and the band learned their lesson. Its called behaving like a adult.

[Biff]

Alright, I want to chime in on this and since this is my first post I'd like it to count. There are certain things that are sacred to a school like mine and my fellow Alumni and friends at The Citadel. The street they marched down mockingly is a street which is dedicated to our fellow brothers in arms who have died in conflict protecting our freedom of speech and our liberties of Americans. I feel everyone benefits from this and for you to paint the Cadets as Whiners is a little sophomoric. Also, lets be a little more refined than to say the Cadets "need to grow a pair". I know we are all "computer heroes" when we do these posts, but I feel perhaps if you do not have anything good to say and since you have probably not even spoken to one Cadet in your lifetime, I feel this is something that you needed to know. These Cadets were sticking up for their school, and most importantly, those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

Good post. I will echo CID1990's comments. I have see Tanks arguements. He dislikes our existance and feels that West Point and its sister schools are the only military schools that should exist. The concept of using military structure and behavior as apart of educating anyone other than military personnel is something that is ridiculous in his mind, or at least that is the impression I got from him.

Anyways, welcome to the board to good to have you join in on the fun.

[Franks Tanks]

Good post. I will echo CID1990's comments. I have see Tanks arguements. He dislikes our existance and feels that West Point and its sister schools are the only military schools that should exist. The concept of using military structure and behavior as apart of educating anyone other than military personnel is something that is ridiculous in his mind, or at least that is the impression I got from him.

Anyways, welcome to the board to good to have you join in on the fun.


Not quite. I understand that some people desire such an atmosphere and it can be beneficial for some. You have the right to be proud of your accomplishments. However, I reject that thinking that you are somehow tougher or special for attending. That is all.

[elcid96]

Not quite. I understand that some people desire such an atmosphere and it can be beneficial for some. You have the right to be proud of your accomplishments. However, I reject that thinking that you are somehow tougher or special for attending. That is all.


Glad to hear that you reject thinking that you are somehow tougher or special for attending a college. I wonder how many Princeton Snobs really share your opinion about attending Princeton?xwhistlex

[Franks Tanks]

Glad to hear that you reject thinking that you are somehow tougher or special for attending a college. I wonder how many Princeton Snobs really share your opinion about attending Princeton?xwhistlex

You are special if you attend Princeton, one of the hardest schools to get into in the country. I was speaking specifically of Citadel-- I know it takes longer then usual to grasp things for Citadel men (and women).

[elon77]

You are special if you attend Princeton, one of the hardest schools to get into in the country. I was speaking specifically of Citadel-- I know it takes longer then usual to grasp things for Citadel men (and women).

Is citdog going to respond to this statement?

[Go...gate]

Hey, good post, but don't sweat Franks Tanks and just see him for what he is: a little pencil neck who got his lunch money stolen one too many times in grade school.


Lay off Franks Tanks. I'm amazed you guys allowed them to appear. Why do you think they are banned at West Point? They are hardly a point of pride for PU's administration.

[aust42]

You are special if you attend Princeton, one of the hardest schools to get into in the country. I was speaking specifically of Citadel-- I know it takes longer then usual to grasp things for Citadel men (and women).

Your post reaks of snobbery and is typical of the Ivy League elitist attitude. I work with a few IVY boys and their intellect is on par any other hard working people who attended any other "lower level" college. It's the IVY attitude that I can't stand. Most think their sit don't stink b/c their Daddy's could afford the $40k tuition. And why the F are most of them left wing liberal a-holes? Show some respect for goodness sakes.

[kirkblitz]

Your post reaks of snobbery and is typical of the Ivy League elitist attitude. I work with a few IVY boys and their intellect is on par any other hard working people who attended any other "lower level" college. It's the IVY attitude that I can't stand. Most think their sit don't stink b/c their Daddy's could afford the $40k tuition. And why the F are most of them left wing liberal a-holes? Show some respect for goodness sakes.

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[gophoenix]

Your post reaks of snobbery and is typical of the Ivy League elitist attitude. I work with a few IVY boys and their intellect is on par any other hard working people who attended any other "lower level" college. It's the IVY attitude that I can't stand. Most think their sit don't stink b/c their Daddy's could afford the $40k tuition. And why the F are most of them left wing liberal a-holes? Show some respect for goodness sakes.

Hear hear

The whole thing is completely disrespectful. There are some lines that shouldn't be crossed. It sounds like this stunt crossed so many I don't even know where to begin in being mad about it. You don't come to a military school, mock the military and traditions and mock an area dedicated to fallen brethren. It's flat out sickening to me.

[Ivytalk]

Your post reaks of snobbery and is typical of the Ivy League elitist attitude. I work with a few IVY boys and their intellect is on par any other hard working people who attended any other "lower level" college. It's the IVY attitude that I can't stand. Most think their sit don't stink b/c their Daddy's could afford the $40k tuition. And why the F are most of them left wing liberal a-holes? Show some respect for goodness sakes.

Chip on your shoulder? Maybe Princeton's band crossed the line, but you should avoid such gross generalizations. Most of my classmates at Harvard were firmly in the middle class, pal. Just like me. I don't know what your FCS school is, but you do it no credit.

[Franks Tanks]

Your post reaks of snobbery and is typical of the Ivy League elitist attitude. I work with a few IVY boys and their intellect is on par any other hard working people who attended any other "lower level" college. It's the IVY attitude that I can't stand. Most think their sit don't stink b/c their Daddy's could afford the $40k tuition. And why the F are most of them left wing liberal a-holes? Show some respect for goodness sakes.


I am not a snob or a elitist, but I am a grown up. Like I said before you know exactly what is coming with the Princeton Band. To react to them the way the Citadel did is exactly what they want-- they are laughing their ass's off at you right now.

That being said the band shouldnt have made light or disrespected war monuments etc., but all else is up for grabs really.

[danefan]

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Sorry.. couldn't resist

[ngineer]

Thoughts:

Princeton's band has less class than the cheap seats at Paulson Stadium. They nearly got their butts kicked on our campus before the game.

Princeton has a great QB.

The Citadel IS capable of playing flat, unemotional football. Good thing they came awake in the 2nd half.

El Cid's defense is still an unknown quantity. They are certainly capable of playing well, but so far that has just been against an NAIA and an Ivy League team. Next week against WCU and then against ASU a week later should clear things up.

Princeton's band has alway been obnoxious and the classic caricature of the 'snobby rich kids whose ***** doesn't stink'...We've gotten used to their weak act, but for someone who is not familiar, it can be viewed as offensive. They usually are classless, regardless. And if the 'knobs' had the opportunity, they should have kicked their collective asses back to Joysey.;)

[danefan]

Princeton's band has alway been obnoxious and the classic caricature of the 'snobby rich kids whose ***** doesn't stink'...We've gotten used to their weak act, but for someone who is not familiar, it can be viewed as offensive. They usually are classless, regardless. And if the 'knobs' had the opportunity, they should have kicked their collective asses back to Joysey.;)

Princeton is as much Joysey as the Hamptons is Queens. xrolleyesx


I'm not a huge fan of the Ivy bands (the weird ones). I know what they are supposed to be, but I just find them annoying.

And my take: stupid to go onto campus and do that. they should have known where they were going and respected what that meant. As for what they did at the game.....that's a different story. Citadel officials approved the script.

[brownbear]

This story seems like The Citadel students were trying to protect their turf from, face it, harmless nerds. The Citadel administration invited the band to perform, approved the halftime script, and approved the idea of having Princeton's band march (well, actually not march, more like walk) through the campus. Apparently, the students didn't get this message and just figured that they were there to desecrate the American military system. I am one of the Brown band's scriptwriters, and I can tell you that none of these things are meant to offend people. They are JOKES, just jokes, noting more than that. If you don't find them funny, don't laugh at it. From what I have heard, Princeton sent an initial script that was rejected, and instead made a tamed show that was approved. Princeton, like most Ivy bands, does a campus march for most games. Last year, when the Princeton band visited Providence, we did a joint campus march with their band, and nothing happens other than waking students up at 11 am on a Saturday.

For writing shows, usually the games against fellow Ivy schools are harsher than OOC games. For Brown, we had a difficult time making jokes about Stony Brook this past week, but will have a much easier time this coming week with the Harvard game. When we play other Ivy League schools, it seems other schools don’t have a problem with the shows, but when we play schools that don’t have scramble bands, they seem to think that the band is trying to wage a war against them.

This is not about students thinking they are above others, I can assure you that. If that was the case, scramble bands wouldn’t do these exact same kinds of things against other peer schools in the Ivy League. Taunting opponents is a key component of college athletics. Here at AGS, we have a smack forum. Picture this as a smack forum, just at halftime of the game.

I’m looking forward to meeting with people from Princeton’s band in about three weeks and hearing stories from this trip.

[Cleets]

So it sounds like the 4th best Ivy team played the 4th best Socon team...
(and the bands make all the press)
An indication of how mediocre both programs are...

xlolx

or am i missing something..?

[brownbear]

So it sounds like the 4th best Ivy team played the 4th best Socon team...
(and the bands make all the press)
An indication of how mediocre both programs are...

xlolx

or am i missing something..?

I wish our band made the press, but I'll settle for having a decent football team!

[danefan]

I wish our band made the press, but I'll settle for having a decent football team!

Brownbear, do you have any links to videos of the Brown band (or any other Ivy scramble band) for people reading this thread who have no clue what a scramble band is.

[SCPALADIN]

Brownbear, do you have any links to videos of the Brown band (or any other Ivy scramble band) for people reading this thread who have no clue what a scramble band is.

If anyone is interested there is a clip on Youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56WOp_0JEqU

[brownbear]

Brownbear, do you have any links to videos of the Brown band (or any other Ivy scramble band) for people reading this thread who have no clue what a scramble band is.

Here is a video from our ice show (we are the only ice skating band in the country!!) this past February (in two parts):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8LTkqhEPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9q3HFOPf6k&feature=related

Halftime shows for football games are obviously shorter than these (usually 6 minutes, not 10, like this), but otherwise are pretty similar, except we run on the field from the endzone, not the red line.

[Go...gate]

Princeton is as much Joysey as the Hamptons is Queens. xrolleyesx


I'm not a huge fan of the Ivy bands (the weird ones). I know what they are supposed to be, but I just find them annoying.

And my take: stupid to go onto campus and do that. they should have known where they were going and respected what that meant. As for what they did at the game.....that's a different story. Citadel officials approved the script.


Now, now....Princeton is "Joisey-er" than you may think. Lots of its residents commute north every day and not a small amount of its residents (like most of its Governors) are transplants from northern NJ.

[YaleFootballFan]

Here is a video from our ice show (we are the only ice skating band in the country!!) this past February (in two parts):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8LTkqhEPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9q3HFOPf6k&feature=related

Halftime shows for football games are obviously shorter than these (usually 6 minutes, not 10, like this), but otherwise are pretty similar, except we run on the field from the endzone, not the red line.

There's more people on the ice than in the stands! ;)

[brownbear]

There's more people on the ice than in the stands! ;)

It was a postgame ice show. No one ever stays except for people who came only to see the band.

And no one really comes to our games anyways because the team stinks.

[YaleFootballFan]

Brownbear, do you have any links to videos of the Brown band (or any other Ivy scramble band) for people reading this thread who have no clue what a scramble band is.

This video pretty much sums up what the Princeton Band is all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=350MrcFDY7g

[bulldog10jw]

Yale played Penn one year, I think it was about 1978 or 1979 at Penn. For some reason the band didn't make the trip. I was in the stands and saw the girl, who happened to be the band director and asked her why she was there without the rest of the band. She said she was going to perform alone. She went out and put on a performance acting just like she was leading the YPMB with the commentary as usual from the PA announcer. The called it the YALE INVISIBLE MARCHING BAND and it was hilarious.

[OL FU]

So it sounds like the 4th best Ivy team played the 4th best Socon team...
(and the bands make all the press)
An indication of how mediocre both programs are...

xlolx

or am i missing something..?

You are my heroxthumbsupx


Question, do people in Missoula understand time zone differencesxlolx

[MarkCCU]

Princeton's pep band(or whatever it was) showed no class on Saturday.

[elcid96]

I imagine that the return trip to Princeton will be cancelled after the band incident.

[Franks Tanks]

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/09/22/21470/

“Some of [the cadets] started running towards us and ran back … but it didn’t seem threatening at all,” Simon Fox Krauss ’11 said.

Yet when the band tried to continue its march, Krauss said, the cadets surrounded the Princeton students and began booing loudly, linking arms to form a line blocking their path.

In response to the blocked path, Lucas Giron ’09, the band’s drum major, gave the order to “scramble” — break formation and leave.

Band conductor R.W. Enoch ’09 said that at this point, “a number of cadets broke ranks and got into physical altercations with some of our members.”

In the skirmish that followed, several band members were physically attacked and spit on, band members said, adding that at least one member had his instrument broken.

The Citadel’s Commandant’s Office and student body president could not be reached on Sunday, and the college’s Office of Public Safety declined to comment for this article.

Jordan Bubin ’09 said he was tackled by “three or four cadets” and pushed up against a tree.

“The booing was so loud, [and] the cadets who were on the field were yelling at us, ‘Cut your hair, long-haired ******s’ and ‘You go have fun in college, I’ll go fight the war,’ ” he said.

The cadets also stole band members’ hats and spit on female members of the band, some members said.

Bubin added that he overheard older cadets ordering the younger students to go after the band.

PUB president Alex Barnard ’09 said that he found the cadets’ behavior “offensive and demeaning.”

Barnard said his immediate response was to direct the band to leave campus.

Several of The Citadel’s commanding officers, however, brought the situation under control asked the band to continue its pre-approved march.

The band was escorted on the rest of its march around campus by commanding officers without further altercations, Barnard said. Bubin said, however, that the band was “pursued and taunted” in spite of the escort.

Later in the day, when the band appeared on the football field to perform its halftime show, the taunting continued.

“During the halftime, there was booing as soon as we went onto the field,” Enoch said. Though the cadets avoided any further physical confrontation, Enoch noted that for the entire nine-minute half time show, the jeers were so loud that the band’s act could hardly be heard.

Barnard said he was surprised by the reaction to the show because the band’s performance at The Citadel was “the tamest halftime show the team has ever delivered.”

The script of the show was approved and censored by The Citadel’s administration before the performance. All jokes were written with attention paid to the Citadel’s conservative atmosphere, he added.

The band members said they were also taunted while cheering from their seats in the stands during the game.

“During the game itself, somewhere between 50 and 70 cadets circled the band in plain sight of an Army captain and Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel,” Dan Jaffe ‘10 said in an e-mail. “When ordered back to their seats by [higher ranking officers] they were slow to obey.”

Jaffe, who has trained in the Marine Corps, said he found the behavior of the cadets “astounding.”

He added that he thought the fact that the cadets “lacked the discipline to maintain proper military bearing should, at the very least, make their superiors question the wisdom of awarding them commissions in the United States Armed Forces.”

Enoch noted that bands do not accompany visiting teams during most football games at The Citadel.

The influx of Princeton students on The Citadel campus, he said, may have made the cadets “kind of territorial.” He added that the cadets may have been intimidated because “they usually don’t play schools of the caliber of Princeton.”

Barnard also blamed the cadets’ behavior on a “mob mentality” and stressed that though the cadets together were threatening, “every cadet I actually talked to was very nice.”

Bubin added, “There were some enormously friendly cadets there … but those friendly cadets were outnumbered easily 150 to one.”



Two sides to every story. The cadets may not have been prepared for the Princeton Band's antics, but did it warrant physical attacks and intimidation. You also have this little snippet

“The booing was so loud, [and] the cadets who were on the field were yelling at us, ‘Cut your hair, long-haired ******s’ and ‘You go have fun in college, I’ll go fight the war,’ ” he said

How classy xwhistlex

[MarkCCU]

I have freinds that witnessed all of it, and half that bull**** didn't happen. Yes the corps defended it's school, an instrument was broken, but you don't go go to a military college, turn the American flag upside down and start an Anti-War protest and call the school out for it's military traditions. You don't pull out a Santa Claus(in any enviroment), stab it and dry hump it. Princeton was out of line and should be ashamed.

[MarkCCU]

The Post and Courier
>
> Sunday, September 21, 2008
>
>
>
> Photo of Ken
> Burger<http://media.charleston.net/img/staff/2007/ken_burger_t90.jpg (http://media.charleston.net/img/staff/2007/ken_burger_t90.jpg)>
>
> The Princeton Band, known for its antics on the field, earned the wrath
> and disdain of Citadel cadets Saturday by its misbehavior off the field.
>
>
> As one of the infamous "scramble bands" at various brainy schools across
> the country, the Princeton Band came to town for its first visit when
> the Tiger football team played The Citadel at Johnson Hagood Stadium.
>
> These bands, made up of students and alumni, are often funny and clever
> with their irreverent attitude toward the traditions of college
> football.
>
> A few hours before Saturday's game, 40 or more band members strolled
> down Hagood Avenue in front of the stadium. As the motley crew passed
> by, many tailgating Citadel and Princeton fans were amused by their
> coonskin caps and toilet-seat drums.
>
> That, however, is where they should have stopped.
>
> Instead, they meandered a few more blocks onto The Citadel campus where
> the band of drothers ran head-on into the band of brothers.
>
> Bad blood
>
> Eyewitness reports say the clownish band members, mocking the military
> school, paraded all too close to the campus's central parade field where
> cadets were taking part in Field Day exercises.
>
> When they turned and started sashaying down the "Avenue of Remembrance"
> in front of the school's library, a group of highly irritated cadets
> surged toward them in a very menacing manner.
>
> "It was awful," one cadet said of the incident. "They're lucky they
> didn't get killed."
>
> Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. But, the bad blood spilled over
> into
>
> the afternoon's game. When the Princeton Band came out to perform at
> halftime, the entire Corps of Cadets booed them roundly, loudly and
> continuously while they attempted to perform.
>
> Granted, such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an
> objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each
> other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.
>
> Give 'em a medal
>
> In case you're wondering, Citadel officials knew of the band's raucous
> reputation and approved their script before the game. Groups like this,
> however, are all about disrespecting authority.
>
> Not that it mattered. Fans at the game could not hear anything the band
> said or played as the chorus of boos from the cadets completely drowned
> them out.
>
> Later, with only a few minutes left in the game, a squad of cadets
> encircled the Princeton Band in the stands. This culture clash lasted a
> few minutes before the cops broke it up.
>
> Meanwhile, the Bulldogs taught the Tigers a thing or two about football,
> winning the game 37-24.
>
> When asked about the incidents, Citadel spokesman Jeff Perez said of the
> cadets' halftime behavior, "We hold them to a higher standard. We will
> speak to them about the booing."
>
> Heck, instead of a tongue lashing, the entire Corps of Cadets should be
> given a medal for standing up for their school.
>
> The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those
> pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.
>
> Reach Ken Burger at [email protected] ([email protected]).

That is a nice article but leaves out many of other things. Princeton should be embarassed by the conduct of thier pep band and the Corps of Cadets should be commended.

[Franks Tanks]

I have freinds that witnessed all of it, and half that bull**** didn't happen. Yes the corps defended it's school, an instrument was broken, but you don't go go to a military college, turn the American flag upside down and start an Anti-War protest and call the school out for it's military traditions. You don't pull out a Santa Claus(in any enviroment), stab it and dry hump it. Princeton was out of line and should be ashamed.


As I said above and BrownBear noted this is exactly what you expect from the Princeton Band and other Ivy scramble bands. The administration at the Citadel seemed to be ok with it. No matter what they said the reaction of the cadets showed poor judjement.

[Franks Tanks]

That is a nice article but leaves out many of other things. Princeton should be embarassed by the conduct of thier pep band and the Corps of Cadets should be commended.

For calling them "******s". What are they gonna do when some teenager im Iraq is breaking their balls or stomping on a flag on a security patrol in Iraq? They need to show professionalism and good judgement

[citdog]

OUR CADETS SHOWED AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF RESTRAINT. THIS WAS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF YANKEE INSOLENCE AND POLTROON BEHAVIOR....I, FOR ONE, WAS READY TO DEFEND THE HONOR OF THE CITADEL AGAINST THIS YANKEE SCUM WITH THE FORCE OF ARMS....BUT ALAS, AS USUAL, WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A SOUTHERN MAN IN A GRAY UNIFORM THE YANKEE INVADER FLEW INGLORIOUSLY FROM THE FIELD AND ONLY SHOWED US THEIR BACKS.....SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE

[MarkCCU]

For calling them "******s". What are they gonna do when some teenager im Iraq is breaking their balls or stomping on a flag on a security patrol in Iraq? They need to show professionalism and good judgement

Same goes for the Princeton Pep Band. I will not condem an entire school for the actions of a group, but that band showed poor judgement just as well.

I have been a Citadel fan my entire life, the Corps should've had more restrain, but Princeton knew what it was getting into. I'm not sure how many people know about the Ivy League bands that are like this one, but I didn't know about it until Saturday night.

Regardless, Princeton showed no class by dry humping, stabbing Kris Kringle and singing Anti-War Protest songs at a military-structured college. The Citadel shouldn't have allowed it and the Cadets should've restrained themselves.

AS to people being called "******s", we can only assume that it did and did not happen. Kids lie to make themselves in the right.

[MarkCCU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56WOp_0JEqU&feature=related

Real class.

[Franks Tanks]

http://blogs.princeton.edu/aspire/bandjrp0770_0109.jpg

These are the kids causing all the trouble. Good to see the cadets are around to physically intimidate this bunch of thugs.

[citdog]

http://blogs.princeton.edu/aspire/bandjrp0770_0109.jpg

These are the kids causing all the trouble. Good to see the cadets are around to physically intimidate this bunch of thugs.

in penn as in new jersey it is ok to insult a host in his own home and expect no consequences...frank tanks is a military school washout and has a bad case of sour grapes

[Franks Tanks]

in penn as in new jersey it is ok to insult a host in his own home and expect no consequences...frank tanks is a military school washout and has a bad case of sour grapes

Yes that is the case xeyebrowx how did you know? xlolx It is also extremely relevant to the topic at hand.

[citdog]

Yes that is the case xeyebrowx how did you know? xlolx It is also extremely relevant to the topic at hand.

it is "extremely relevant" to the topic at hand........YOU SHOULD NEVER DARE TO SPEAK ILL OF A SCHOOL YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE TESTICLE SATCHEL TO ATTEND.

[The Gadfly]

I don't know what they did on a road on campus, but I sat behind the Princeton "band" @ the game, enjoyed their odd culture, and thought that the nazi-ism and bully mentality given by the cadets was just proof of how real gentility has been flushed away from the Corps. THEY'RE NERDS FROM PRINCETON, EVERYONE knows what they represent, so show them that you are better human beings! Show them what being a REAL man is all about. But noooooooo, y'all failed and showed us what The Citidel really represents now :Thuggery and nazi tactics (from m-w.com: "b: one who is likened to a German Nazi: a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person.")

[Franks Tanks]

it is "extremely relevant" to the topic at hand........YOU SHOULD NEVER DARE TO SPEAK ILL OF A SCHOOL YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE TESTICLE SATCHEL TO ATTEND.


Again you are making my prior points. Someone pokes some fun, in a performance approved by your school, and the reponse right away is name calling and physical intimidation.

[citdog]

I don't know what they did on a road on campus, but I sat behind the Princeton "band" @ the game, enjoyed their odd culture, and thought that the nazi-ism and bully mentality given by the cadets was just proof of how real gentility has been flushed away from the Corps. THEY'RE NERDS FROM PRINCETON, EVERYONE knows what they represent, so show them that you are better human beings! Show them what being a REAL man is all about. But noooooooo, y'all failed and showed us what The Citidel really represents now :Thuggery and nazi tactics (from m-w.com: "b: one who is likened to a German Nazi: a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person.")

WOW! WOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS COMING FROM A GUY WHO WENT TO A SCHOOL WHICH IS KEEPING THE CONWAY BAIL BONDSMEN QUITE BUSY RUNNING BACK AND FORTH TO J. RUEBEN LONG LOCKUP.

[citdog]

Again you are making my prior points. Someone pokes some fun, in a performance approved by your school, and the reponse right away is name calling and physical intimidation.

HUMPING ONE ANOTHER ON "EDUCATION DAY" WHEN ANY CHILD UNDER 17 RECEIVED A TICKET TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF CLASS.....THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF SAID CHILDREN IN THE STANDS......SEVERAL IN TEARS OVER THE IMPROPER THINGS BEING DONE TO KRIS KRINGLE.

[The Gadfly]

WOW! WOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS COMING FROM A GUY WHO WENT TO A SCHOOL WHICH IS KEEPING THE CONWAY BAIL BONDSMEN QUITE BUSY RUNNING BACK AND FORTH TO J. RUEBEN LONG LOCKUP.

Yep, you got me. Our school has a tradition that we don't want to keep. Your school, on the other hand, has a wonderful tradition that you and the New Corps have slowly, but surely, been destroying. Congrats xthumbsupx !

Thank goodness there were some of the Old Guard there to literally pull some of those punks below the stands and teach them how to truely be Southern. xnonox

[Franks Tanks]

HUMPING ONE ANOTHER ON "EDUCATION DAY" WHEN ANY CHILD UNDER 17 RECEIVED A TICKET TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF CLASS.....THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF SAID CHILDREN IN THE STANDS......SEVERAL IN TEARS OVER THE IMPROPER THINGS BEING DONE TO KRIS KRINGLE.

I agree some of the Princeton bands antics showed poor judjement, but the conesequent behavior and explanation is juveline. Basically the defense is "they started it" and we were then entitled to behave like children as well. The Corps would have looked like fine you gentlemen if the kept their mouth's shut. Now they look worse then the Princeton Band -- which was a comedy performance mind you.

[citdog]

i have said all i have to say about the yankee scum who we allowed to play us in General Hagood's house.

[Tealblood]

It sounds like what drew the ire most of citadel peeps was the on-campus "invasion"

It would be interesting to know if they had been granted permission to "parade around campus"

Johnson-Hagood is not "on-campus" it is seperated from the school and the avenue of remembrance by about a 1/4 mile

so perhaps the admin knew what was gonna possibly happen at the stadium during the game and pre-game---it sounds to me like the pre-game march down to the campus set it up for a bad situation later

[Tealblood]

asked a friend who went to the game and then came back in time for the CCU game--he didn't say anything about it

[CID1990]

The PUB's conduct on the campus before the game was intentionally designed to elicit a negative response. They got what they came for... the ability to find sympathetic ears (idiots like Franks) when they whine about being mistreated by a bunch of military Neanderthals.

I'm sorry, but you can go to Harvard and make fun of their quirky traditions or you can go to clempson and drive a tractor around, but you DON'T go to a military school and overtly insult the patriotism of the students there. The military schools have been everybody's whipping boys for quite some time and some of the skins there are understandably thin.

They would have gotten the same response at West Point or VMI. In fact, they probably would have been beaten severely at VMI... I don't think they have been pussified by their administration as much as our Corps has.

[Franks Tanks]

The PUB's conduct on the campus before the game was intentionally designed to elicit a negative response. They got what they came for... the ability to find sympathetic ears (idiots like Franks) when they whine about being mistreated by a bunch of military Neanderthals.
I'm sorry, but you can go to Harvard and make fun of their quirky traditions or you can go to clempson and drive a tractor around, but you DON'T go to a military school and overtly insult the patriotism of the students there. The military schools have been everybody's whipping boys for quite some time and some of the skins there are understandably thin.

They would have gotten the same response at West Point or VMI. In fact, they probably would have been beaten severely at VMI... I don't think they have been pussified by their administration as much as our Corps has.


xlolx

[citdog]

Johnson-Hagood is not "on-campus" it is seperated from the school and the avenue of remembrance by about a 1/4 mile



there is no -.......Johnson Hagood Stadium is named for Brigader General Johnson Hagood, Confederate States of America

[elon77]

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/09/22/21470/

“Some of [the cadets] started running towards us and ran back … but it didn’t seem threatening at all,” Simon Fox Krauss ’11 said.

Yet when the band tried to continue its march, Krauss said, the cadets surrounded the Princeton students and began booing loudly, linking arms to form a line blocking their path.

In response to the blocked path, Lucas Giron ’09, the band’s drum major, gave the order to “scramble” — break formation and leave.

Band conductor R.W. Enoch ’09 said that at this point, “a number of cadets broke ranks and got into physical altercations with some of our members.”

In the skirmish that followed, several band members were physically attacked and spit on, band members said, adding that at least one member had his instrument broken.

The Citadel’s Commandant’s Office and student body president could not be reached on Sunday, and the college’s Office of Public Safety declined to comment for this article.

Jordan Bubin ’09 said he was tackled by “three or four cadets” and pushed up against a tree.

“The booing was so loud, [and] the cadets who were on the field were yelling at us, ‘Cut your hair, long-haired ******s’ and ‘You go have fun in college, I’ll go fight the war,’ ” he said.

The cadets also stole band members’ hats and spit on female members of the band, some members said.

Bubin added that he overheard older cadets ordering the younger students to go after the band.

PUB president Alex Barnard ’09 said that he found the cadets’ behavior “offensive and demeaning.”

Barnard said his immediate response was to direct the band to leave campus.

Several of The Citadel’s commanding officers, however, brought the situation under control asked the band to continue its pre-approved march.

The band was escorted on the rest of its march around campus by commanding officers without further altercations, Barnard said. Bubin said, however, that the band was “pursued and taunted” in spite of the escort.

Later in the day, when the band appeared on the football field to perform its halftime show, the taunting continued.

“During the halftime, there was booing as soon as we went onto the field,” Enoch said. Though the cadets avoided any further physical confrontation, Enoch noted that for the entire nine-minute half time show, the jeers were so loud that the band’s act could hardly be heard.

Barnard said he was surprised by the reaction to the show because the band’s performance at The Citadel was “the tamest halftime show the team has ever delivered.”

The script of the show was approved and censored by The Citadel’s administration before the performance. All jokes were written with attention paid to the Citadel’s conservative atmosphere, he added.

The band members said they were also taunted while cheering from their seats in the stands during the game.

“During the game itself, somewhere between 50 and 70 cadets circled the band in plain sight of an Army captain and Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel,” Dan Jaffe ‘10 said in an e-mail. “When ordered back to their seats by [higher ranking officers] they were slow to obey.”

Jaffe, who has trained in the Marine Corps, said he found the behavior of the cadets “astounding.”

He added that he thought the fact that the cadets “lacked the discipline to maintain proper military bearing should, at the very least, make their superiors question the wisdom of awarding them commissions in the United States Armed Forces.”

Enoch noted that bands do not accompany visiting teams during most football games at The Citadel.

The influx of Princeton students on The Citadel campus, he said, may have made the cadets “kind of territorial.” He added that the cadets may have been intimidated because “they usually don’t play schools of the caliber of Princeton.”

Barnard also blamed the cadets’ behavior on a “mob mentality” and stressed that though the cadets together were threatening, “every cadet I actually talked to was very nice.”

Bubin added, “There were some enormously friendly cadets there … but those friendly cadets were outnumbered easily 150 to one.”



Two sides to every story. The cadets may not have been prepared for the Princeton Band's antics, but did it warrant physical attacks and intimidation. You also have this little snippet

“The booing was so loud, [and] the cadets who were on the field were yelling at us, ‘Cut your hair, long-haired ******s’ and ‘You go have fun in college, I’ll go fight the war,’ ” he said

How classy xwhistlex

I'm kind of insulted that you do not feel Elon, Davidson, Furman etc. are not the calibur of Princeton. You don't always judge the caliber of ones school by their SAT scores. There are alot of people that think the said schools have a caliber that is much higher than Princeton.xthumbsupx

[Go...gate]

Is it true that the return game at Princeton will not take place? If so, that is a shame. Come up here and play. You may find that the real fans (e.g. the alumni and townspeople) will treat you very well. I can remember the band being booed lustily by Princeton fans from time to time through the years, as well.

[Elon Fightin' Christians]

I'm kind of insulted that you do not feel Elon, Davidson, Furman etc. are not the calibur of Princeton. You don't always judge the caliber of ones school by their SAT scores. There are alot of people that think the said schools have a caliber that is much higher than Princeton.xthumbsupx

I am a proud ELON alum, but I cannot beleive you actually tried to compare ELON to Princeton. You must be kidding me.....

[Franks Tanks]

I'm kind of insulted that you do not feel Elon, Davidson, Furman etc. are not the calibur of Princeton. You don't always judge the caliber of ones school by their SAT scores. There are alot of people that think the said schools have a caliber that is much higher than Princeton.xthumbsupx

I didnt say that, its in the article. Davidson and Furman are fine schools-- Elon, eh its ok ;)

[elon77]

I am a proud ELON alum, but I cannot beleive you actually tried to compare ELON to Princeton. You must be kidding me.....


Read what I said proud man. xreadx

[brownbear]

It sounds like what drew the ire most of citadel peeps was the on-campus "invasion"

It would be interesting to know if they had been granted permission to "parade around campus"

Johnson-Hagood is not "on-campus" it is seperated from the school and the avenue of remembrance by about a 1/4 mile

so perhaps the admin knew what was gonna possibly happen at the stadium during the game and pre-game---it sounds to me like the pre-game march down to the campus set it up for a bad situation later

The Citadel administration approved the pregame campus march. If they found a problem with what the Princeton Band did during the march, they wouldn't have allowed them into the stadium for the game.

The Citadel administration approved the halftime show. They knew exactly what they were getting. Again, if they had a problem with it, they would have taken the mic from the kid reading the script and thrown the band out of the stadium.

[Elon Fightin' Christians]

They actually picked a fight with the Princeton Marching Band ? That's pathetic.

No offense to the members of the Princeton Marching Band, but I can't think of a group of people anywhere that could possibly be any less threatening.

[aust42]

In the skirmish that followed, several band members were physically attacked and spit on, band members said, adding that at least one member had his instrument broken.

Jordan Bubin ’09 said he was tackled by “three or four cadets” and pushed up against a tree.

“The booing was so loud, [and] the cadets who were on the field were yelling at us, ‘Cut your hair, long-haired ******s’ and ‘You go have fun in college, I’ll go fight the war,’ ” he said.

The cadets also stole band members’ hats and spit on female members of the band, some members said.

Bubin added that he overheard older cadets ordering the younger students to go after the band.
__________________________________________________ _____

That's beautiful. Brings a tear to my eye to realize Philly EAGLES fans aren't the only one's that don't take sit from opposing fans, harrass them and make our home territory as uncomfortable as possible for the enemy.

[Philly Phoenix Phan]

This notion that the Princeton band, given its nerdy members penchant for taking out their collective sexual frutration on each other's legs, should somehow be free from all retribution is absurd. Do I believe members of the Corps went too far, its definitely possible. But these kids can't demean proud tradition and expect nothing in return.

And you have to put some blame on The Citadel's administration, if they really signed off on this.

I can't say I know much about the Citadel, but given my personal interaction with the one guy I know there and some of the esteemed posters here, if you poke the bear enough, he'll tear your head off. I don't care if you're a 90 pound weakling waist deep in a biochemical engineering book.

[CID1990]

The Citadel administration approved the pregame campus march. If they found a problem with what the Princeton Band did during the march, they wouldn't have allowed them into the stadium for the game.

The Citadel administration approved the halftime show. They knew exactly what they were getting. Again, if they had a problem with it, they would have taken the mic from the kid reading the script and thrown the band out of the stadium.

I doubt very seriously that when the administration at The Citadel gave their consent to a march-through that they were told that the PUB would be flying the US flag upside down, goosestepping and being generally insulting and obnoxious. If you think that the administration should have done their research on the PUB FIRST, then I'd agree with you.

As for the halftime show, none of the vulgarity and crass mimicry of sexual acts and violence would have been allowed by the administration if the PUB had submitted an honest, accurate script.

I am sure that all of those things are considered funny and acceptable as satire in the enlightened Ivy League, but we cavemen down here in the South don't care for the condescension.

[Bearkat-Backer]

Alright, I want to chime in on this and since this is my first post I'd like it to count... The street they marched down mockingly is a street which is dedicated to our fellow brothers in arms who have died in conflict protecting our freedom of speech and our liberties of Americans.

I like how you mention the protection of freedom of speech in a post that applauds a group of people for violating that very same freedom. I am sure the actions of the Princeton band were deplorable, but that is there right. From what I can tell they did not cause physical harm to anyone. The cadets had every right to be upset and to voice their dislike, but they crossed the line when they resorted to violence.

[Andy]

I'm amazed you guys allowed them to appear. Why do you think they are banned at West Point? They are hardly a point of pride for PU's administration.

Right on as usual, Go Gate.

At Lafayette last year, post game, these classless PUB idiots hung around for twenty minutes--visitor's stands otherwise completely empty, team long gone--to strike up when the traditional playing of LC's Alma Mater was announced, drowning out our small band and blaring throughout. The purpose, I guess, to shock and offend. They succeeded. They're in dire need of adult supervision.

PUB president Alex Barnard ’09 said that he found the cadets’ behavior “offensive and demeaning.” Hah, what a shame.

[brownbear]

I doubt very seriously that when the administration at The Citadel gave their consent to a march-through that they were told that the PUB would be flying the US flag upside down, goosestepping and being generally insulting and obnoxious. If you think that the administration should have done their research on the PUB FIRST, then I'd agree with you.

As for the halftime show, none of the vulgarity and crass mimicry of sexual acts and violence would have been allowed by the administration if the PUB had submitted an honest, accurate script.

I am sure that all of those things are considered funny and acceptable as satire in the enlightened Ivy League, but we cavemen down here in the South don't care for the condescension.

As I said, if this show was not what was sent in as the script, they had every power to stop the show. This has happened during Ivy League intra-conference games when bands deviate from the scripts they submit. Your administration knew EXACTLY what they were getting. If they didn't know, they either didn't read what they approved or were oblivious to a lot of the things in the script.

Last week, when I submitted the Brown Band's script for the halftime show, the athletic department made us change two lines in the script (one of them involved the Wang Center for Asian & American Cultures at Stony Brook). Like I said before, Princeton had an initial script rejected, and submitted a "tamer" one (who knows what was in the original one) that was approved. By approving it, they reach an understanding that Princeton's Band will follow what they submitted, and they will be stopped if they go astray.

I haven't seen The Citadel demand an apology from the Princeton Band, so I assume the administration had no problem with it. Next time, I suggest you tell the visiting team to leave their band at home if you don't like this.

[bobbythekidd]

In fact, they probably would have been beaten severely at VMI... I don't think they have been pussified by their administration as much as our Corps has.
You got that right!



http://www.mudvillegazette.com/milblogs/VMI%20Cheerleader.JPG

[brownbear]

I want to see some pictures of the Princeton Band-Cadet Brawl!!

[Woof]

Maybe your administration should have been more prudent and not invite them in the first place. It is like going to see Chris Rock and then get offended when he uses the N-word. You know its gonna happen, if you dont like it dont go or dont allow the band to come.

Glad so see The Citadel is creating such fine gentlemen that they have to be restrained by police to not attack the dangerous Princeton band. They are smarter then the corps clearly. They antagagnozied and made you all look like fools-- just as they intended.


xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x This may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard! I agree the Corps probably should not have made the flute players eat their instruments, but how in the world can you condone the band's antics by saying "you know its gonna happen." Is there no accountability at Princeton ? What about the kids in the stands who came to watch football ? If the Citadel administration knew this kind of crap was going to be part of their program, then they are to blame as well, but that does not mean the band gets a free pass just because they are crude and everyone knows it. Nerds or not, they are representating themselves and their school...and not well. This is a school founded and once led by one of the greatest theologians in modern history, Jonathan Edwards, who is no doubt spinning in his grave. Satire or not, this type of behavior is unacceptable and has no place in college football ! xnonox xnonox xnonox

[Woof]

Maybe your administration should have been more prudent and not invite them in the first place. It is like going to see Chris Rock and then get offended when he uses the N-word. You know its gonna happen, if you dont like it dont go or dont allow the band to come.

Glad so see The Citadel is creating such fine gentlemen that they have to be restrained by police to not attack the dangerous Princeton band. They are smarter then the corps clearly. They antagagnozied and made you all look like fools-- just as they intended.


xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x This may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard! I agree the Corps probably should not have made the flute players eat their instruments, but how in the world can you condone the band's antics by saying "you know its gonna happen." Is there no accountability at Princeton ? What about the kids in the stands who came to watch football ? If the Citadel administration knew this kind of crap was going to be part of their program, then they are to blame as well, but that does not mean the band gets a free pass just because they are crude and everyone knows it. Nerds or not, they are representating themselves and their school...and not well. This is a school founded and once led by one of the greatest theologians in modern history, Jonathan Edwards, who is no doubt spinning in his grave. Satire or not, this type of behavior is unacceptable and has no place in college football ! xnonox xnonox xnonox

[Franks Tanks]

xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x This may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard! I agree the Corps probably should not have made the flute players eat their instruments, but how in the world can you condone the band's antics by saying "you know its gonna happen." Is there no accountability at Princeton ? What about the kids in the stands who came to watch football ? If the Citadel administration knew this kind of crap was going to be part of their program, then they are to blame as well, but that does not mean the band gets a free pass just because they are crude and everyone knows it. Nerds or not, they are representating themselves and their school...and not well. This is a school founded and once led by one of the greatest theologians in modern history, Jonathan Edwards, who is no doubt spinning in his grave. Satire or not, this type of behavior is unacceptable and has no place in college football ! xnonox xnonox xnonox


Hey Woofer heard you the first time. I think my comparison was perfectly on target. You may hate the Princeton band and I certainly agree some of what they said was over the top, but it doesnt condone a physical response.

Many people are offended by the confederate flag being displayed. Does that give people the right to attack those who displays it? I dont think so

[Cleets]

I've probably not been too attentive...
but at what point do we actually mention:
Both of these teams are "Mediocre at best" and mid-conference rated...


Princeton is almost the 4th best Ivy school (Probably 5th)
Citadel is almost the 4th best SoCon school (or worse)

when do we all get to say: so what..? xlolx
And both of your teams made a mockery of your respective conferences (that's collateral damage for you boys)

A SUCK FEST of Football Mockery... xlolx


Eat that: Girls...

[FCS Go!]

You got that right!



http://www.mudvillegazette.com/milblogs/VMI%20Cheerleader.JPG


WTH is going on here? xeekx

I hope this was some kind of fire drill or something.

[CID1990]

As I said, if this show was not what was sent in as the script, they had every power to stop the show. This has happened during Ivy League intra-conference games when bands deviate from the scripts they submit. Your administration knew EXACTLY what they were getting. If they didn't know, they either didn't read what they approved or were oblivious to a lot of the things in the script.

Last week, when I submitted the Brown Band's script for the halftime show, the athletic department made us change two lines in the script (one of them involved the Wang Center for Asian & American Cultures at Stony Brook). Like I said before, Princeton had an initial script rejected, and submitted a "tamer" one (who knows what was in the original one) that was approved. By approving it, they reach an understanding that Princeton's Band will follow what they submitted, and they will be stopped if they go astray.

I haven't seen The Citadel demand an apology from the Princeton Band, so I assume the administration had no problem with it. Next time, I suggest you tell the visiting team to leave their band at home if you don't like this.

Maybe not. From a personal standpoint, Princeton and all the other elitist Yankee schools are not on my radar. I don't bother to know anything about them because I DON'T CARE about them. if they were to shut down tomorrow, I would not be watching all the weepy human interest stories about them on Oprah and NBC. I am sure they feel the same way about The Citadel, VMI, and West Point.

Maybe this was why our administration allowed this to happen. Maybe they are as willfully ignorant as I am. Either way, it is their paid responsibility to know, not mine. Personally, I plan to be asking some of those questions of our administration in the near future.

[PTW16]

I don't get it... the horse is dead and yet the beatings continue...

[Franks Tanks]

Maybe not. From a personal standpoint, Princeton and all the other elitist Yankee schools are not on my radar. I don't bother to know anything about them because I DON'T CARE about them. if they were to shut down tomorrow, I would not be watching all the weepy human interest stories about them on Oprah and NBC. I am sure they feel the same way about The Citadel, VMI, and West Point.

Maybe this was why our administration allowed this to happen. Maybe they are as willfully ignorant as I am. Either way, it is their paid responsibility to know, not mine. Personally, I plan to be asking some of those questions of our administration in the near future.


You realize that many Princeton students are from the south. The last time I attended a Princeton game I tailgated next to and spoke to a family from Mississippi whose son was attending school. Why must southern folk come north the attend the "elitist Yankee schools" interesting xchinscratchx

[CID1990]

There are plenty of Yankees at El Cid, and there are certainly plenty of Southerners in schools up north. Other than just trying to be a fcuktard cockmonkey, what's your point?

[Franks Tanks]

There are plenty of Yankees at El Cid, and there are certainly plenty of Southerners in schools up north. Other than just trying to be a fcuktard cockmonkey, what's your point?

xlolx xlolx xlolx. I guess I should leave you alone, you may try to physically intimidate me (not likley) xlolx xlolx xlolx .

Alright this is pretty much over I suppose--oh well it was fun.

[Franks Tanks]

There are plenty of Yankees at El Cid, and there are certainly plenty of Southerners in schools up north. Other than just trying to be a fcuktard cockmonkey, what's your point?

xlolx xlolx xlolx. I guess I should leave you alone, you may try to physically intimidate me (not likley) xlolx xlolx xlolx .

Alright this is pretty much over I suppose--oh well it was fun.

[Franks Tanks]

There are plenty of Yankees at El Cid, and there are certainly plenty of Southerners in schools up north. Other than just trying to be a fcuktard cockmonkey, what's your point?

xlolx xlolx xlolx. I guess I should leave you alone, you may try to physically intimidate me (not likley) xlolx xlolx xlolx .

Alright this is pretty much over I suppose--oh well it was fun.

[Go...gate]

Actually sounded like a half-decent football game....

[citdog]

I've probably not been too attentive...
but at what point do we actually mention:
Both of these teams are "Mediocre at best" and mid-conference rated...


Princeton is almost the 4th best Ivy school (Probably 5th)
Citadel is almost the 4th best SoCon school (or worse)

when do we all get to say: so what..? xlolx
And both of your teams made a mockery of your respective conferences (that's collateral damage for you boys)

A SUCK FEST of Football Mockery... xlolx


Eat that: Girls...

it's THE Citadel you Mao embracing, Pol Pot fellatioing, lenin sodomizing, chavez felching, pinko yankee scum afterbirth!







you're still my friend though.......and i don't have many

[CID1990]

You know, this has been eating at me for a few weeks now....

Does anybody else suspect that the real Cleets has given his password to his cokehead Goth nephew?

[Go...gate]

it's THE Citadel you Mao embracing, Pol Pot fellatioing, lenin sodomizing, chavez felching, pinko yankee scum afterbirth!







you're still my friend though.......and i don't have many

xlolx xlolx xlolx

[brownbear]

Princeton's band finally posted their show script on their website. I don't see what's wrong with it, in fact it seems fairly tame considering what they could have made fun of.

http://www.princeton.edu/~puband/media/2008.html


Don't ask, don't tell, it's the Princeton University Band!

[Band marches on to the field playing "Princeton Forward March"]

Upon receiving word that The Citadel would permit us to perform a halftime show, the band was shocked by your extraordinary showing of "Southern Hospitality". We were baffled by your decision to allow us on campus for a number of reasons. Here are a few of the "rave reviews" we've received for our irreverent antics:

* The Cornell Athletics department has stated that our shows are "Inane and irrelevant, and do not contribute to a football atmosphere."
* Librarians at Harvard pointedly asked us "Everybody hates you, why don't you just leave?"

Of course, a couple of comments from Universities like Harvard and Cornell can't be taken seriously. However, there are some things we've done during our time in Charleston that we're sure you just won't tolerate:

* We know you're used to waking up at 6 AM to the sound of Reveille, but you definitely didn't like being kept up until 6 AM by the sounds of our revelry.
* We replaced your drill rifles with Nerf guns.
* We scuffed up ALL your boots.
* We introduced your pipe band to a new kind of pipe.
* And now we're going to Double-Double Rotating P on your field!

[Band forms Double-Double Rotating P, plays "Going Back to Nassau Hall"]

The recent selection of Sarah Palin and Joe Biden as Vice Presidential Candidates presents us with what seems like the two dullest candidates possible. However, the Band did some research, and we discovered some unsettling facts about the candidates. Here are some things you may not know about Joe Biden:

* He is the first female to be nominated for the Vice Presidency.
* Joe Biden and Hilary actually played rock-paper-scissors for the Democratic Vice-Presidential Candidacy. Hilary threw rock. Joe Biden threw rock... with foreign policy experience.
* Joe Biden lives in a glass house, and throws... nude parties.

Sarah Palin is not free of eccentricities, either. For example,

* She started a 24-hour Yeti Patrol in Wasilla
* Trig's niece will be named "Cosine"
* In addition to ex-Governor Murkowski's private jet, Sarah also attempted to sell 2 Aleutian Islands on eBay
* When Sarah's water broke, it was so cold that the doctor asked her if she wanted her ice cubed, crushed, or in slivers

Forming an amniotic ice chipper, the Band plays "Freeze Frame"

[Band forms ice chipper, plays Freeze Frame]

While wandering through your campus today, we couldn't help but notice a few glaring differences between our schools. For example,

* At The Citadel, a tour involves one hour of forced marching; at Princeton, it involves enjoying beverages at every eating club.
* Princeton and The Citadel are both in the United States -- but only one of them by choice
* At The Citadel, camouflage is Tiger Stripe, Leaf, and Choco-chip; at Princeton, camouflage is Argyle, Plaid, and Seersucker
* Your targets are silhouettes; ours are places we buy our shower caddies
* At Princeton, we study abroad to learn a foreign language and experience a new culture; at The Citadel, you study a broad because you rarely see one on campus
* You have a mascot named Boo V; we do not have a mascot named Boo V.

Saluting Boos I, II, and IV (but not III -- he was a bad dog), the band plays "241."

[Band forms V on the field, plays "241"]

Run away band, the crowd didn't think this show was funny!

If you all are that afraid of jokes about yourselves, that is pathetic.

[brownbear]

Princeton's band finally posted their show script on their website. I don't see what's wrong with it, in fact it seems fairly tame considering what they could have made fun of.

http://www.princeton.edu/~puband/media/2008.html


Don't ask, don't tell, it's the Princeton University Band!

[Band marches on to the field playing "Princeton Forward March"]

Upon receiving word that The Citadel would permit us to perform a halftime show, the band was shocked by your extraordinary showing of "Southern Hospitality". We were baffled by your decision to allow us on campus for a number of reasons. Here are a few of the "rave reviews" we've received for our irreverent antics:

* The Cornell Athletics department has stated that our shows are "Inane and irrelevant, and do not contribute to a football atmosphere."
* Librarians at Harvard pointedly asked us "Everybody hates you, why don't you just leave?"

Of course, a couple of comments from Universities like Harvard and Cornell can't be taken seriously. However, there are some things we've done during our time in Charleston that we're sure you just won't tolerate:

* We know you're used to waking up at 6 AM to the sound of Reveille, but you definitely didn't like being kept up until 6 AM by the sounds of our revelry.
* We replaced your drill rifles with Nerf guns.
* We scuffed up ALL your boots.
* We introduced your pipe band to a new kind of pipe.
* And now we're going to Double-Double Rotating P on your field!

[Band forms Double-Double Rotating P, plays "Going Back to Nassau Hall"]

The recent selection of Sarah Palin and Joe Biden as Vice Presidential Candidates presents us with what seems like the two dullest candidates possible. However, the Band did some research, and we discovered some unsettling facts about the candidates. Here are some things you may not know about Joe Biden:

* He is the first female to be nominated for the Vice Presidency.
* Joe Biden and Hilary actually played rock-paper-scissors for the Democratic Vice-Presidential Candidacy. Hilary threw rock. Joe Biden threw rock... with foreign policy experience.
* Joe Biden lives in a glass house, and throws... nude parties.

Sarah Palin is not free of eccentricities, either. For example,

* She started a 24-hour Yeti Patrol in Wasilla
* Trig's niece will be named "Cosine"
* In addition to ex-Governor Murkowski's private jet, Sarah also attempted to sell 2 Aleutian Islands on eBay
* When Sarah's water broke, it was so cold that the doctor asked her if she wanted her ice cubed, crushed, or in slivers

Forming an amniotic ice chipper, the Band plays "Freeze Frame"

[Band forms ice chipper, plays Freeze Frame]

While wandering through your campus today, we couldn't help but notice a few glaring differences between our schools. For example,

* At The Citadel, a tour involves one hour of forced marching; at Princeton, it involves enjoying beverages at every eating club.
* Princeton and The Citadel are both in the United States -- but only one of them by choice
* At The Citadel, camouflage is Tiger Stripe, Leaf, and Choco-chip; at Princeton, camouflage is Argyle, Plaid, and Seersucker
* Your targets are silhouettes; ours are places we buy our shower caddies
* At Princeton, we study abroad to learn a foreign language and experience a new culture; at The Citadel, you study a broad because you rarely see one on campus
* You have a mascot named Boo V; we do not have a mascot named Boo V.

Saluting Boos I, II, and IV (but not III -- he was a bad dog), the band plays "241."

[Band forms V on the field, plays "241"]

Run away band, the crowd didn't think this show was funny!

If you all are that afraid of jokes about yourselves, that is pathetic.

[brownbear]

Princeton's band finally posted their show script on their website. I don't see what's wrong with it, in fact it seems fairly tame considering what they could have made fun of.

http://www.princeton.edu/~puband/media/2008.html


Don't ask, don't tell, it's the Princeton University Band!

[Band marches on to the field playing "Princeton Forward March"]

Upon receiving word that The Citadel would permit us to perform a halftime show, the band was shocked by your extraordinary showing of "Southern Hospitality". We were baffled by your decision to allow us on campus for a number of reasons. Here are a few of the "rave reviews" we've received for our irreverent antics:

* The Cornell Athletics department has stated that our shows are "Inane and irrelevant, and do not contribute to a football atmosphere."
* Librarians at Harvard pointedly asked us "Everybody hates you, why don't you just leave?"

Of course, a couple of comments from Universities like Harvard and Cornell can't be taken seriously. However, there are some things we've done during our time in Charleston that we're sure you just won't tolerate:

* We know you're used to waking up at 6 AM to the sound of Reveille, but you definitely didn't like being kept up until 6 AM by the sounds of our revelry.
* We replaced your drill rifles with Nerf guns.
* We scuffed up ALL your boots.
* We introduced your pipe band to a new kind of pipe.
* And now we're going to Double-Double Rotating P on your field!

[Band forms Double-Double Rotating P, plays "Going Back to Nassau Hall"]

The recent selection of Sarah Palin and Joe Biden as Vice Presidential Candidates presents us with what seems like the two dullest candidates possible. However, the Band did some research, and we discovered some unsettling facts about the candidates. Here are some things you may not know about Joe Biden:

* He is the first female to be nominated for the Vice Presidency.
* Joe Biden and Hilary actually played rock-paper-scissors for the Democratic Vice-Presidential Candidacy. Hilary threw rock. Joe Biden threw rock... with foreign policy experience.
* Joe Biden lives in a glass house, and throws... nude parties.

Sarah Palin is not free of eccentricities, either. For example,

* She started a 24-hour Yeti Patrol in Wasilla
* Trig's niece will be named "Cosine"
* In addition to ex-Governor Murkowski's private jet, Sarah also attempted to sell 2 Aleutian Islands on eBay
* When Sarah's water broke, it was so cold that the doctor asked her if she wanted her ice cubed, crushed, or in slivers

Forming an amniotic ice chipper, the Band plays "Freeze Frame"

[Band forms ice chipper, plays Freeze Frame]

While wandering through your campus today, we couldn't help but notice a few glaring differences between our schools. For example,

* At The Citadel, a tour involves one hour of forced marching; at Princeton, it involves enjoying beverages at every eating club.
* Princeton and The Citadel are both in the United States -- but only one of them by choice
* At The Citadel, camouflage is Tiger Stripe, Leaf, and Choco-chip; at Princeton, camouflage is Argyle, Plaid, and Seersucker
* Your targets are silhouettes; ours are places we buy our shower caddies
* At Princeton, we study abroad to learn a foreign language and experience a new culture; at The Citadel, you study a broad because you rarely see one on campus
* You have a mascot named Boo V; we do not have a mascot named Boo V.

Saluting Boos I, II, and IV (but not III -- he was a bad dog), the band plays "241."

[Band forms V on the field, plays "241"]

Run away band, the crowd didn't think this show was funny!

If you all are that afraid of jokes about yourselves, that is pathetic.

[Appstate29]

Princeton's band finally posted their show script on their website. I don't see what's wrong with it, in fact it seems fairly tame considering what they could have made fun of.

http://www.princeton.edu/~puband/media/2008.html



If you all are that afraid of jokes about yourselves, that is pathetic.

Would love to have an Ivy league team come to Boone and play, although that would be like handing them a proverbial loaded gun.

[downbythebeach]

The sad thing is the band totally won in the fight

[brownbear]

Would love to have an Ivy league team come to Boone and play, although that would be like handing them a proverbial loaded gun.

I would love to see Brown play a game in Boone, or against any other top FCS program. Without playing top programs, there is no way to compare yourselves to see how good you are. If the Ivy League adds an 11th game, it would give us the opportunity to schedule opponents we don't normally play (We currently have the same exact schedule for the next 4 years).

[Cleets]

Citdog... we're friends because you're just so darn easy to get along with..!!! xlolx ask anybody...
I was trying to "lure you out" with my "suckfest of Football" comment earlier... you showed marvelous restraint





(Harvard 42 The Citadel 17) xcoffeex

[MarkCCU]

Is this still news? Go Bulldogs!

[CID1990]

The script posted above IS rather tame. That is the one they read.

The things that were going on on the field, however, are not listed in the script. I looked in there to see Santa getting stabbed or band members simulating sex acts and I cannot find them.

[bulldog10jw]

Is this still news? Go Bulldogs!

Thanks. xthumbsupx

[93henfan]

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/29705559.html


Princeton band members reported assaulted in S.C.

A confrontation between Princeton's marching band and some cadets at The Citadel has accusations flying.

It happened before and during Saturday's football game in Charleston, S.C. Band leader Alex Barnard told radio station WPRB-FM, located on the Princeton campus, that some band members were physically assaulted by cadets who felt the band shouldn't march in an area of campus called the Avenue of Remembrance.

Barnard said Citadel officials had put no restrictions on where the band could march.

During the game, a group of cadets surrounded the band and screamed epithets. Police and school officials eventually dispersed the group.

In a statement, Citadel President Lt. John Rosa said cadets have to be held to a higher standard.

[Peems]

* Princeton and The Citadel are both in the United States -- but only one of them by choice

I think Citdog totally agrees with this

[GaSouthern]

All respect for the band / team at Princeton... LOST!

I'm glad they got beat, I was pulling for the upset until I read this, atta boy Cadets!

[biggame]

The situation is stupid and the Princeton band needs to shut up and stop crying. If you openly choose to offend someone, common sense tells you to expect a reaction. Hell that's what they are shooting for anyway. Just because the reaction wasn't exactly what you were expecting or wanted doesn't give you a pass. I think they deserved a little beat down and maybe they will learn something from it (not likely though) considering what type of people we are talking about.

The band created the situation, so suck it up, deal with the consequences and quite crying.

[Go...gate]

For what it is worth, The experience at The Citadel may have had a positive impact. The performance of the Princeton Band at last night's game was the tamest I can remember in over a half-century. I have a feeling the azzes of some band members were SEVERELY chewed by the PU administration.

[Rob Iola]

I can't believe that this is the first time the PUB's been physically harassed - doesn't make it right, but shouldn't be a big surprise either...

I remember the PUB visiting Delaware Stadium back in the Gannon years ("the Blue Hens aren't the only fowl thing in Delaware") - funny, irreverent, formed a toxic waste dump on the field, but no humping, stabbing Santa, or ejaculating penises - some of the older stuffier alums were huffy about it, but everyone else enjoyed the show.