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Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 12:18 PM
The current discussions about the possibility of football at UNC Charlotte and UNC Greensboro, the saturation of teams in North Carolina, and curiosity led me to a little data gathering expedition. :D

I opened up Excel and starting compiling information on the number of football teams in each state on the Division I (both FBS and FCS), Division II, Division III and NAIA levels. I also jotted down the 2007 population estimate for each state.

There wasn't any statistical analysis done, but I thought others might be interested in the results. I know OL FU is (thanks for letting me bounce this off you man). xthumbsupx

A total of 12 screenshots are following with a brief explanation, so bear with me. xrotatehx

1. The alpha page (all data entered into this worksheet - the breakdown of population and teams in each division):

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4893/01fbalphapv6.jpg

2. 2007 population estimates of each state:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5840/02fbpopulationzr3.jpg

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 12:20 PM
3. FBS teams per state:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2076/03fbfbsteamshn7.jpg


4. Population per each FBS team:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/794/04fbperfbsgr7.jpg

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 12:21 PM
5. FCS teams per state:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3333/05fbfcsteamsqa7.jpg

6. Population per each FCS team:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6015/06fbperfcsin4.jpg

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 12:23 PM
7. Division I football teams (FBS and FCS):

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9498/07fbdivisioninh9.jpg

8. Population per Division I teams:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6440/08fbperdivisionixj1.jpg

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 12:24 PM
9. All Divisions (I, II, III):

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6753/09fballdivisionszw0.jpg

10. Population per All Divisions:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3740/10fbperalldivisionsdz5.jpg

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 12:25 PM
11. Total football (I, II, III and NAIA):

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5786/11fbdivnaiasw6.jpg

12. Population per total:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3990/12fbperdivnaiahs8.jpg

lizrdgizrd
June 11th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Wow, I didn't realize we don't have any NAIA teams in NC anymore.

TwinTownBisonFan
June 11th, 2008, 12:32 PM
wow... mad rep for the research

AmsterBison
June 11th, 2008, 12:33 PM
I gotta think that North Dakota is leading in a couple "per capita" categories. There is one college team for every 80,000 people and one FCS team per 320,000 people (nice try, Rhode Island).

Edit: Oops, he posted the results while I was typing (confirming what I thought). Nice work!

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 12:37 PM
xeekx

Damn, A hillbilly nerdxeekx









xthumbsupx WTG Mountaineerxbowx

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 12:38 PM
So the conclusion is people in California and Arizona are pu**sies because they don't have enough football teamsxnodx

lizrdgizrd
June 11th, 2008, 12:40 PM
So the conclusion is people in California and Arizona are pu**sies because they don't have enough football teamsxnodx

Right in one! xlolx

dbackjon
June 11th, 2008, 12:43 PM
So the conclusion is people in California and Arizona are pu**sies because they don't have enough football teamsxnodx


For Arizona, we only have 3 4-year public institutions (all D-I). We have one D-II school that is starting football, and one NAIA school with no football.

Really more a product of Arizona's University system (main campuses, branch campuses not seperate universities than anything else.

Also shows Arizona needs more universities!

Franks Tanks
June 11th, 2008, 12:45 PM
51 for PA that is tremendous.

Weird things is that PA does not have a FCS school that is a public institition. We have the PL, Penn, Nova and the Robert Morris, St, Francis, Duquense etc. What I am saying is that a lot of potential FCS players are going to the PA public schools that are D-II. A lot of talent but it is dispered amoung 16 D-II's. If IUP moved to FCS that would have the pick of the litter of all that FCS talent that ends up at a PSAC school.

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 12:47 PM
For Arizona, we only have 3 4-year public institutions (all D-I). We have one D-II school that is starting football, and one NAIA school with no football.

Really more a product of Arizona's University system (main campuses, branch campuses not seperate universities than anything else.

Also shows Arizona needs more universities!


So the branch campuses don't have sports teams?

AZGrizFan
June 11th, 2008, 12:54 PM
So the branch campuses don't have sports teams?


Nope. xcoolx

IndianaAppMan
June 11th, 2008, 01:00 PM
For Arizona, we only have 3 4-year public institutions (all D-I). We have one D-II school that is starting football, and one NAIA school with no football.

Really more a product of Arizona's University system (main campuses, branch campuses not seperate universities than anything else.

Also shows Arizona needs more universities!

As fast as Arizona is growing, I won't be surprised if there's a huge push for more universities by legislators soon. Then again, I've also read that Arizona State has ambitions to grow as large as 80,000 (including branch campuses). Now, I don't know if quantity will increase quality, but that just seems like a weird goal.

It was a good thing for Florida, back in the 50's and 60's, to start so many new universities because its population has rocketed from 2.8 million in 1950 to 18.3 million in 2007. The need was definitely there: Florida State, the largest school in the ACC, is only the fourth largest university in the state, and it has almost 40,000 students!

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 01:04 PM
xeekx

Damn, A hillbilly nerdxeekx









xthumbsupx WTG Mountaineerxbowx

xlolx xlolx

I should've gone to Furman. xcoolx :p

IndianaAppMan
June 11th, 2008, 01:06 PM
So the branch campuses don't have sports teams?

The branch campuses in Zona aren't under separate presidents and administration like the USC or UNC systems. They give out degrees equivalent to the main campuses. It's kinda how that university center in Greenville has satellite programs of schools from all over the state, but the degree and quality is considered equivalent to the main campus. The main difference is that Arizona's satellite campuses are much bigger and are under one university umbrella. The University of Michigan has a similar thing with U of M-Flint and U of M-Dearborn; they don't have separate sports teams; in fact, they use the same colors on their pennants. (I met a bunch of Michigan students a few months ago.)

Syntax Error
June 11th, 2008, 01:17 PM
So the conclusion is people in Arizona are pu**siesOnly a couple of them. xlolx

OLPOP
June 11th, 2008, 01:19 PM
Castleton State College in Vermont is starting play in D111 in '09. They have hired a coach, begun recruiting and have funding for a new 2,500 seat stadium. That will bring us to 3 D111 teams.

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 01:21 PM
Honestly when I heard that Erskine was considering football, I knew SC had too many teamsxnodx

dbackjon
June 11th, 2008, 01:27 PM
So the branch campuses don't have sports teams?


No - they are considered part of the main campus.
ASU has ASU-West (in Glendale), ASU-East (in Mesa), ASU-Downtown (Phoenix).
UA has a branch in Sierra Vista
NAU has branches/offers classes in all the rural counties, including a full branch in Yuma. But they are integrated into the main campus. I took class in Flagstaff that had students sitting in a room in Yuma, with two-way satellite broadcasting between the rooms, so they were essentially part of the same class.

While it doesn't allow for sports teams, it is a much more effecient way to run a college system, than to create a bunch of little college/fiefdoms.

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 01:31 PM
No - they are considered part of the main campus.
ASU has ASU-West (in Glendale), ASU-East (in Mesa), ASU-Downtown (Phoenix).
UA has a branch in Sierra Vista
NAU has branches/offers classes in all the rural counties, including a full branch in Yuma. But they are integrated into the main campus. I took class in Flagstaff that had students sitting in a room in Yuma, with two-way satellite broadcasting between the rooms, so they were essentially part of the same class.

While it doesn't allow for sports teams, it is a much more effecient way to run a college system, than to create a bunch of little college/fiefdoms.

That is true.

It is one of those interesting situations though and it may simply be difference in taste in entertainment. We know the south lives and dies college football. But on the right saturday, 10% of the population of SC might be seating in a football stadium. 3 football playing schools for a state the size of Arizona just seems like such a small number

CharlestonAppFan
June 11th, 2008, 01:47 PM
xlolx xlolx

I should've gone to Furman. xcoolx :p

xeekx xeekx I think you just violated an App law xnonox xoopsx Besides, would you really want to wear............purple? xeyebrowx :D

CharlestonAppFan
June 11th, 2008, 01:48 PM
posted twice....sorry guys

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 01:51 PM
xeekx xeekx I think you just violated an App law xnonox xoopsx Besides, would you really want to wear............purple? xeyebrowx :D

I was kidding. xnodx I'm a strict follower of all App Laws. xreadx

xrulesx

Besides, I'm not pompous enough to attend a school like Furman. :p :D

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 02:26 PM
I was kidding. xnodx I'm a strict follower of all App Laws. xreadx

xrulesx

Besides, I'm not pompous enough to attend a school like Furman. :p :D

But you are nerdy enoughxnodx :D

TexasTerror
June 11th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Did your above information include the new programs like Lamar (TX) and South Alabama (AL)? Even Georgia State (GA)?

Regardless -- very impressive information! Great job!

CharlestonAppFan
June 11th, 2008, 02:30 PM
But you are nerdy enoughxnodx :D

Like this guy? xeyebrowx xsmiley_wix

http://flickr.com/photos/44905179@N00/2438063624/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/2438063624_8e5f0ee62a.jpg?v=0


There's been a Batman sighting. Furman University Homecoming.

mizzoufan1
June 11th, 2008, 02:34 PM
I knew Missouri was not very loaded when it came to football playing schools.

This state does not have very many "athletic" colleges or Universities.

I could have LISTED all the schools that play football in Missouri...

FBS (1): University of Missouri
FCS (2): Missouri State, SEMO
D-II (8): Truman State, Central Missouri, Missouri Western, Missouri University of Science & Technology (Missouri-Rolla), Missouri Southern, Northwest Missouri, Southwest Baptist, Lincoln University
D-III (2): Westminster, Washington U. of St. Louis
NAIA (7): Central Methodist (my A M), Culver-Stockton, Evangel, Lindenwood, William Jewell, Avila (only added athletics 5 years ago) and Missouri Valley (forgot the A M archrivals... :p)

Rumors PERSIST that William Jewell and Lindenwood want to jump from NAIA to D-II but that has been all talk for the last 10 years. I'll believe it when I see it.

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Did your above information include the new programs like Lamar (TX) and South Alabama (AL)? Even Georgia State (GA)?

Regardless -- very impressive information! Great job!

Nope, I didn't add in any teams that'll be starting football in the future. Too much to keep up with, though I'll certainly add them into the mix when they hit the field. xnodx And thanks! :D

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Like this guy? xeyebrowx xsmiley_wix

http://flickr.com/photos/44905179@N00/2438063624/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/2438063624_8e5f0ee62a.jpg?v=0

Well At least they aren't vulcan earsxeekx xnodx

813Jag
June 11th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Like this guy? xeyebrowx xsmiley_wix

http://flickr.com/photos/44905179@N00/2438063624/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/2438063624_8e5f0ee62a.jpg?v=0
How about this guy?

http://media.fox44.com/images/LSU%20Batman.jpg

mizzoufan1
June 11th, 2008, 02:44 PM
I knew Missouri was not very loaded when it came to football playing schools.

This state does not have very many "athletic" colleges or Universities.

I could have LISTED all the schools that play football in Missouri...

FBS (1): University of Missouri
FCS (2): Missouri State, SEMO
D-II (8): Truman State, Central Missouri, Missouri Western, Missouri University of Science & Technology (Missouri-Rolla), Missouri Southern, Northwest Missouri, Southwest Baptist, Lincoln University
D-III (2): Westminster, Washington U. of St. Louis
NAIA (6): Central Methodist (my A M), Culver-Stockton, Evangel, Lindenwood, William Jewell, Avila (only added athletics 5 years ago)

Rumors PERSIST that William Jewell and Lindenwood want to jump from NAIA to D-II but that has been all talk for the last 10 years. I'll believe it when I see it.


Forgot Missouri Valley...

grizband
June 11th, 2008, 02:46 PM
What happened to the first posts that listed total football playing schools by state, not just FBS and FCS??? Were they deleted?

CharlestonAppFan
June 11th, 2008, 02:51 PM
How about this guy?

http://media.fox44.com/images/LSU%20Batman.jpg

Is that the difference from FCS to FBS? xeyebrowx xlolx

813Jag
June 11th, 2008, 02:52 PM
Is that the difference from FCS to FBS? xeyebrowx xlolx
I guess. xlolx

OL FU
June 11th, 2008, 02:53 PM
What happened to the first posts that listed total football playing schools by state, not just FBS and FCS??? Were they deleted?

I see itxnodx

grizband
June 11th, 2008, 03:11 PM
I see itxnodx
The first post was apparantly deleted, because the thread begins with post #2 (and table #3). Mounaineer, could you please post the first two tables again?

Mountaineer
June 11th, 2008, 03:15 PM
The first post was apparantly deleted, because the thread begins with post #2 (and table #3). Mounaineer, could you please post the first two tables again?

I'm not having a problem either. xchinscratchx The first post along with the tables are showing up for me.

Have you tried logging out, clearing cookies/history and logging back in?

lizrdgizrd
June 11th, 2008, 04:00 PM
The first post was apparantly deleted, because the thread begins with post #2 (and table #3). Mounaineer, could you please post the first two tables again?
Try scrolling up. It's there for everyone else. xconfusedx




Wait, have you started drinking already? That would explain it. xthumbsupx

UNH_Alum_In_CT
June 11th, 2008, 05:20 PM
New Hampshire Data Updated

University of New Hampshire - FCS
Dartmouth College - FCS
St. Anselm College - D-II
Plymouth State University - D-III

St. A's Football (http://www.anselm.edu/athletics/athletic+teams/football/)

Plymouth State Football (http://athletics.plymouth.edu/sports/fball/index)

BTW, MIT is in the same conference as Plymouth State for football, the New England Football Conference Boyd Division

dakotadan
June 11th, 2008, 06:49 PM
North Dakota - 8

DI FCS
University of North Dakota (http://www.fightingsioux.com)
North Dakota State University (http://www.gobison.com)

DII
University of Mary (http://www.umary.edu/UM/Athletics/) - Private

NAIA - All in the Dakota Athletic Conference (http://www.dakotaac.org/)
Dickinson State University (http://www.dickinsonstate.com/athletics.asp)
Mayville State University (http://www.mayvillestate.edu/athletics/index.cfm)
Minot State University (http://www.msubeavers.com/)
Valley City State University (http://vikings.vcsu.edu/)
Jamestown College (http://www.jc.edu/athletics/athletic.php) - Private

CRAZY_DANE
June 11th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Looking at the numbers, one thing is clear to me. New York has a fear of "big time" college sports. 10 FCS and only 3 FBS! The most FCS in the country.

Apparently the snow birds aren't picking up on Florida's (and the rest of the country's) passion.

TheValleyRaider
June 11th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Looking at the numbers, one thing is clear to me. New York has a fear of "big time" college sports. 10 FCS and only 3 FBS! The most FCS in the country.

Apparently the snow birds aren't picking up on Florida's (and the rest of the country's) passion.

The spread-out nature of the SUNY system has a lot to do with it. Public schools are more likely to really step up in the "big time" fashion, especially at flagship campuses. By spreading out, none of the SUNY campuses appear to be strong enough on their own to be that "big time" powerhouse (UB and SB's dreams notwithstanding ;)). If I remember correctly, Golisano wanted to turn UB into New York State University, making it the flagship and do all the big-time stuff that one would associate with that school.

I should also point out that many of these NY schools do have old traditions of excellence. Places like Fordham, Colgate and Army were big names for years, NYU even when they used to have a team. Of course, Syracuse could potentially be big-time again, playing the Dome and being a member of the Big East

Seawolf97
June 11th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Good work !

poly51
June 12th, 2008, 01:10 AM
So the conclusion is people in California and Arizona are pu**sies because they don't have enough football teamsxnodx

California leads the nation in schools that have dropped football:

Cal State Fullerton
Long Beach State
Cal Poly-Pomona
UC Riverside
Cal State LA
Pepperdine
Cal State Northridge
Cal Tech
UC Santa Barbara
Cal State Hayward
Chico State
University of The Pacific
Saint Mary's
Santa Clara
University of San Francisco
Sonoma State
Loyola Marymount
San Francisco State

OL FU
June 12th, 2008, 05:57 AM
California leads the nation in schools that have dropped football:

Cal State Fullerton
Long Beach State
Cal Poly-Pomona
UC Riverside
Cal State LA
Pepperdine
Cal State Northridge
Cal Tech
UC Santa Barbara
Cal State Hayward
Chico State
University of The Pacific
Saint Mary's
Santa Clara
University of San Francisco
Sonoma State
Loyola Marymount
San Francisco State

Manxeekx Realizing CA starts with more schools than most states so that number looks large, but why? lack of interest, lack of funding, cut into the surfing schedule? What?

OL FU
June 12th, 2008, 06:03 AM
There was a thread that gave Mountaineer the reason to do this. Was the thread about attendance, recruting or what? And what is the conclusion?

It seems to me a lot would be based on a more regional view than by state.

DFW HOYA
June 12th, 2008, 06:11 AM
Manxeekx Realizing CA starts with more schools than most states so that number looks large, but why? lack of interest, lack of funding, cut into the surfing schedule? What?

The California branch of the National Organization for Women sued the Cal State university system. The so-called CAL-NOW settlements was considered a factor that led many of these public schools to ditch (or not revive) football following the settlement. That doesn't excuse the private schools, however.

http://www.calstate.edu/calnow/intro.shtml

CRAZY_DANE
June 12th, 2008, 07:33 AM
The spread-out nature of the SUNY system has a lot to do with it.

I've heard that argument before and there is some truth to it but it doesn't explain everything.

Florida has the same size population as New York and they have 7 FBS schools to our 3. Their community colleges are going to be FBS before another New York university steps up.

I think it's the private school lobby that keeps the 3rd largest state and arguably one of the richest on par with the poorest and smallest states.

McNeese_beat
June 12th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Louisiana is the model for oversaturation. Why does a state that's only 4 million in population need 11 D-I football programs? Seven of those are on, or just off, the I-10 stretch from Vinton to Slidell. That's seven D-I football schools (granted, Nicholls is south of the freeway about an hour and SLU is on the I-10 shortcut that is I-12 that bypasses travellers from having to swoop down to New Orleans to pass through to Mississippi) in a stretch of road that takes less than four hours to cross.

Louisiana and New York ought to get together and come up with a compromise...

813Jag
June 12th, 2008, 10:31 AM
I've heard that argument before and there is some truth to it but it doesn't explain everything.

Florida has the same size population as New York and they have 7 FBS schools to our 3. Their community colleges are going to be FBS before another New York university steps up.

I think it's the private school lobby that keeps the 3rd largest state and arguably one of the richest on par with the poorest and smallest states.
JUCOs don't play football in Florida and there are no DIIs or DIIIs. University of Tampa should have kept their programs.

poly51
June 12th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Manxeekx Realizing CA starts with more schools than most states so that number looks large, but why? lack of interest, lack of funding, cut into the surfing schedule? What?

I think a combination. Title IX, lack of interest in non D-I football, the expense of a competitive D-I program, competition for fans from USC, UCLA, Cal and Stanford, anti football attitude of some administrators.

Lionsrking
June 12th, 2008, 12:48 PM
Louisiana is the model for oversaturation. Why does a state that's only 4 million in population need 11 D-I football programs?

Louisiana and New York ought to get together and come up with a compromise...

Louisiana has so many D-I schools because the mindset has always been, "all the way or no way" when it comes to athletics in this state. No question we're beyond the saturation point as it relates to population, but I don't see it as a negative in the broader picture. More D-I schools means more scholarships, which provides more opportunities for kids to be exposed to a college environment. Additionally, we've seen first-hand the positive influence having D-I athletics has had on our campus, especially since bringing football back. We're not yet where we want to be as a program but our image regionally has been enhanced greatly since 2002.

Maybe it's coincidence, I don't know, but since announcing football's return, our athletics department as a whole has improved greatly over the last five or six years. Our men's basketball program is the only program in the state to post winning seasons each of the past five years, including an NCAA berth in 2005...our baseball program is getting back to where it was in the early to mid 90s and we've had a 1st round (supplemental) and a fourth round draft pick each of the last two years...track has really taken off under Sean Brady and should flourish even more if/when our new track complex gets completed...Soccer and Tennis have been at or near the top of the SLC the last several years and Softball is improving. Women's basketball has been up and down and Volleyball has been in the tank, but overall, the department as a whole has witnessed it's greatest run in the D-I era since we announced the return of football in '02.

CRAZY_DANE
June 12th, 2008, 05:48 PM
JUCOs don't play football in Florida and there are no DIIs or DIIIs. University of Tampa should have kept their programs.

I was being facetious. Your not doing Florida schools any favors in dispelling stereotypes.

813Jag
June 12th, 2008, 05:57 PM
I was being facetious. Your not doing Florida schools any favors in dispelling stereotypes.
What stereotype would that be? xconfusedx

Mr. Tiger
June 12th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Louisiana is the model for oversaturation. Why does a state that's only 4 million in population need 11 D-I football programs? Seven of those are on, or just off, the I-10 stretch from Vinton to Slidell. That's seven D-I football schools (granted, Nicholls is south of the freeway about an hour and SLU is on the I-10 shortcut that is I-12 that bypasses travellers from having to swoop down to New Orleans to pass through to Mississippi) in a stretch of road that takes less than four hours to cross.

Louisiana and New York ought to get together and come up with a compromise...

Louisiana is pretty bad. Mississippi has 2.2 million in population with six Division I football programs and 9 programs statewide. That is a lot considering the size of the state.

whoanellie
June 12th, 2008, 09:49 PM
true sign of a dog day summer...... get out and take a walk!!!

Syntax Error
June 12th, 2008, 10:01 PM
true sign of a dog day summer...... get out and take a walk!!!whoanellie (66 posts) needs a pickerup to keep up here. Hint, no big FCS fan takes a walk.

ngineer
June 12th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Wow--Pennsylvania far and away the leader with 51 teams! xthumbsupx :D

Mountain Panther
June 12th, 2008, 10:50 PM
So the the colleges in Alaska have no sports?

TheValleyRaider
June 12th, 2008, 10:56 PM
So the the colleges in Alaska have no sports?

They have sports, just not Football

The Alaska (nee Alaska-Fairbanks) Nanooks and Alaska-Anchorage Seawolves both play D-I hockey xthumbsupx

TwinTownBisonFan
June 12th, 2008, 11:35 PM
25 Schools in MN with football... including a huge number in D-III

no FCS schools, since most of that talent goes to NDSU, SDSU and UNI

HS football here is just not as big as it is in FL, CA, TX (especially) or even PA.

HS hockey rules the roost in MN... probably always will

McNeese_beat
June 12th, 2008, 11:53 PM
Louisiana is pretty bad. Mississippi has 2.2 million in population with six Division I football programs and 9 programs statewide. That is a lot considering the size of the state.

Schools in our states need to CONSOLIDATE and DOMINATE...

Might as well make it rhyme...

Syntax Error
June 12th, 2008, 11:57 PM
Schools in our states need to CONSOLIDATE and DOMINATE...

Might as well make it rhyme...might as well sing too http://youtube.com/watch?v=sG2ZAqtcOcs ;) No FCS smack intended.

R.A.
June 13th, 2008, 07:18 AM
What are the two FBS schools in Maryland/DC? There's the University of Maryland, and there's...

813Jag
June 13th, 2008, 07:24 AM
What are the two FBS schools in Maryland/DC? There's the University of Maryland, and there's...
Navy

I-AA Fan
June 13th, 2008, 07:27 AM
What are the two FBS schools in Maryland/DC? There's the University of Maryland, and there's...

Navy

R.A.
June 13th, 2008, 07:29 AM
That's right, Navy... I forgot about them for a second. I love their practice fields.

BEAR
June 13th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Pennsylvania with 51 teams all divisions???? Wow! xbeerchugx

I guess basketball is secondary...xconfusedx xlolx

GaSouthern
June 14th, 2008, 09:29 AM
IMO this makes Montana's success even more impressive!

Purple Pride
June 14th, 2008, 10:55 AM
Pennsylvania with 51 teams all divisions???? Wow! xbeerchugx

I guess basketball is secondary...xconfusedx xlolxOnly 32 that matter.xlolx

http://michigan-football.com/ncaa/states.htm

I bet the 2 teams at the top of the list in Arkansas swap places this year.xthumbsupx

Seawolf97
June 14th, 2008, 02:54 PM
They have sports, just not Football

The Alaska (nee Alaska-Fairbanks) Nanooks and Alaska-Anchorage Seawolves both play D-I hockey xthumbsupx

Dont forget the Great Alaskan Shootout in basketball! They get some pretty good teams up there for that annual event.

Seawolf97
June 14th, 2008, 03:05 PM
This is really interesting material.

SF State Gaters
August 30th, 2011, 04:40 AM
California is too big for anyone's good. Break it up into several New York or Pennsylvania sized states, and a ton of schools would need to start playing more football!

Mikeyosef
August 30th, 2011, 06:57 AM
GREAT Stats!!!xthumbsupx I never realized NC competed against TX for anything, let alone FOOTBALL! I'm really surprised at the number of schools with teams in NC compared to the rest of the nation. I knew we had quite a few colleges and universities with teams but somehow missed that's not the national norm. Oh well, I guess that means if you live anywhere in NC there's something especially fun to do in the Fall on Saturdays!xnodx

alvinkayak6
August 30th, 2011, 08:04 AM
NC is loaded with schools, in general. So is Pennsylvania. The biggest surprise for me is that Texas has so few.

SideLine Shooter
August 30th, 2011, 08:22 AM
California is too big for anyone's good. Break it up into several New York or Pennsylvania sized states, and a ton of schools would need to start playing more football!

Give it to Mexico.

frozennorth
August 30th, 2011, 01:57 PM
Give it to Mexico.

Keeep california, get rid of dixie.

dgtw
August 30th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Colleges in Alabama with football teams
FBS
Alabama
Auburn
UAB
Troy
South Alabama

FCS
Jacksonville State
Samford
Alabama A&M
Alabama State

Division II
North Alabama
West Alabama
Tuskegee
Miles
Stillman

Division III
Birmingham-Southern College
Huntington

NAIA
Faulkner

???
Concordia College (Selma)

Someone mentioned on here a while back Concordia was in the NCCCA. But the school's website does not mention their affiliation and I could not find them listed on the NCCCA's website.

OL FU
August 30th, 2011, 02:39 PM
Keeep california, get rid of dixie.

We tried to go but you wouldn't let us:p

bojeta
August 30th, 2011, 03:18 PM
One more stat to complete this: All college football: FBS, FCS, DII, DIII, NAIA and JC
I believe California has over 80 JC teams. I posted the total in another thread, but can't remember. I'll run a search.
Checked and it's 71 JC teams.

UAalum72
August 30th, 2011, 03:20 PM
???
Concordia College (Selma)

Someone mentioned on here a while back Concordia was in the NCCCA. But the school's website does not mention their affiliation and I could not find them listed on the NCCCA's website.
The Helmet Project lists them as 'Unaffiliated'. I saw one reference to their teams being in the "Southeastern Athletic Conference". Their football team plays a mix of FCS, D-II, and NAIA.


Sept. 3 at Jackson State University Jackson, MS 1:30pm
Sept. 10 at Miles College Fairfield, AL 2:00pm
Sept. 17 vs University of New Orleans Selma, AL 5:00pm
Sept. 24 vs Point University Selma, AL 5:00pm

Oct. 1 at Edward Waters College Jacksonville, FL 5:00pm
Oct. 8 vs Texas College Selma, AL 5:00pm (Homecoming)



Oct. 15 at Grambling State University Grambling, LA 2:00pm
Oct. 22 at Alcorn State University Alcorn, MS 2:00pm
Oct. 29 BYE
Nov. 5 Open
Nov. 12 at Stillman College Tuscaloosa, AL 5:00pm

alvinkayak6
August 30th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Maybe that explains why the FBS cali schools are so good. They have so much JC to pick from any not a whole lot of D-I FBS universities to compete with. Imagine if Cal Fullerton (baseball), Pacific, Cal State Northridge and all those baseball & basketball schools started football again.

Laker
September 25th, 2013, 05:42 PM
This was such an interesting thread I thought I would give it a BUMP

clenz
September 25th, 2013, 05:45 PM
Iowa had added a couple since then, with more coming by 17


I think we will be pushing 30 or 33 soon

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Laker
September 25th, 2013, 06:00 PM
Iowa had added a couple since then, with more coming by 17


I think we will be pushing 30 or 33 soon

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St. Scholastica in Duluth was the last MN school to add football (D3). I don't think that anyone else is adding. There aren't too many schools that don't have football- St. Mary's in Winona, Bethany in Mankato and North Central near the MetroDome (all D3) are the only ones I can think of.

No FCS teams in the Gopher State- probably won't be, either.

IBleedYellow
September 25th, 2013, 06:03 PM
St. Scholastica in Duluth was the last MN school to add football (D3). I don't think that anyone else is adding. There aren't too many schools that don't have football- St. Mary's in Winona, Bethany in Mankato and North Central near the MetroDome (all D3) are the only ones I can think of.

No FCS teams in the Gopher State- probably won't be, either.

Pretty sure NDSU is the de facto owner of FCS in Minnesota.

Laker
September 25th, 2013, 06:08 PM
Pretty sure NDSU is the de facto owner of FCS in Minnesota.

It would be interesting to see an FCS "sphere of influence" in Minnesota. UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, UNI might all have some following- the Bison would be the biggest.

darell1976
September 25th, 2013, 06:12 PM
Updated 2013 for North Dakota

DI FCS: North Dakota, North Dakota State
DII: University of Mary (Bismarck), Minot State
NAIA: Dickinson State, U of Jamestown, Mayville St, Valley City State

dystopiamembrane
September 25th, 2013, 06:27 PM
11. Total football (I, II, III and NAIA):


Oregon 9
I believe that this does not include Pacific, our newest DIII progam.
We have 10:
1A----Oregon, Oregon State
1AA---Portland State
II-----Western Oregon
III----Lewis and Clark, Linfield, Pacific, Willamette
NAIA--Eastern Oregon, Southern Oregon

dystopiamembrane
September 25th, 2013, 06:35 PM
It would be interesting to see an FCS "sphere of influence" in Minnesota. UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, UNI might all have some following- the Bison would be the biggest.
Agreed.
Sphere of influence heat maps are amazing.
The NYT ran an article on Red Sox - Yankees spheres, showing maps with boundary lines, half the street Boston, the other New York.

Mountaineer
September 25th, 2013, 06:39 PM
I believe that this does not include Pacific, our newest DIII progam.

Take into account the original post date - 2008. This thread was created over 5 years ago. :p

Perhaps I'll update to a 2013 edition. :D

dystopiamembrane
September 25th, 2013, 06:43 PM
Wow

bojeta
September 25th, 2013, 06:50 PM
Take into account the original post date - 2008. This thread was created over 5 years ago. :p

Perhaps I'll update to a 2013 edition. :D

That would be nice. Not to suggest anyone has unlimited time for this stuff, but it would be useful to include the numbers of JUCO teams as well. In California, we have an extensive JUCO system, with many football programs, that fill a critical role for the thousands of players that choose that route before transferring to a four year program.

Here's a list of football playing JUCOs in California:
1. Butte College
2. Foothill College
3. Laney College
4. City College of San Francisco
5. College of San Mateo
6. Santa Rosa Junior College
7. College of the Sequoias
8. Sierra College
9. American River College
10. FeatherRiver College
11. MendocinoCollege
12. SacramentoCity College
13. Collegeof the Siskyous
14. ChabotCollege
15. DeAnza College
16. DiabloValley College
17. LosMedanos College
18. MercedCollege
19. WestHills College
20. ContraCosta College
21. Collegeof the Redwoods
22. ShastaCollege
23. SolanoCommunity College
24. YubaCollege
25. CabrilloCollege
26. GavilanCollege
27. HartnellCollege
28. MontereyPeninsula College
29. SanJose City College
30. WestValley College
31. AllanHancock College
32. BakersfieldCollege
33. CerritosCollege
34. Collegeof the Canyons
35. ElCamino College
36. VenturaCollege
37. FullertonCollege
38. MtSan Antonio College
39. PalomarCollege
40. PasadenaCity College
41. SaddlebackCollege
42. ComptonCommunity College
43. EastLos Angeles College
44. Mt.San Jacinto College
45. SanBernardino Valley College
46. SanDiego Mesa College
47. VictorValley College
48. GlendaleCommunity College
49. LosAngeles Pierce College
50. LosAngeles Valley College
51. SantaBarbara City College
52. SantaMonica College
53. WestLos Angeles College
54. Collegeof the Desert
55. GoldenWest College
56. RiversideCommunity College
57. SantaAna College
58. AntelopeValley College
59. ChaffeyCollege
60. LosAngeles Harbor College
61. MoorparkCollege

Laker
September 25th, 2013, 08:12 PM
Agreed.
Sphere of influence heat maps are amazing.
The NYT ran an article on Red Sox - Yankees spheres, showing maps with boundary lines, half the street Boston, the other New York.

Isn't there an area in northeast Ohio that was like that- split between Browns and Steelers?

Someone did that with Iowa v Iowa State years ago. Most of the state tended to pull for the Hawkeyes, with the area around Ames for the Cyclones. Maybe things have changed since then.

TheBoyWhoSeaWolf
September 25th, 2013, 08:37 PM
Only 32 that matter.xlolx

http://michigan-football.com/ncaa/states.htm

xthumbsupx

Wow, Columbia with a lifetime record of 180-454. A century of beatdowns from the likes of Yale, Princeton, and Harvard

Skyhawk71
September 25th, 2013, 09:09 PM
Tennessee:
FBS: University of Memphis (American), middle Tennessee state (C-USA), Tennessee-Knoxville (SEC) Vanderbilt (SEC)
FCS: Austin Peay (OVC) Tennessee State (OVC), Tennessee Tech (OVC), Tennessee-Chattanooga (SoCon), Tennessee-Martin (OVC), * East Tennessee State (SoCon) *Coming Soon
DII: Carson Newman (SAC), Lane (SIAC), Tusculum (SAC)
DIII: Maryville (USA South), Rhodes (SAA), University of the South (Sewanee)- (SAA)
NAIA: Bethel U (Mid-South), Cumberland (Mid-South)

RichH2
September 25th, 2013, 09:33 PM
I've heard that argument before and there is some truth to it but it doesn't explain everything.

Florida has the same size population as New York and they have 7 FBS schools to our 3. Their community colleges are going to be FBS before another New York university steps up.

I think it's the private school lobby that keeps the 3rd largest state and arguably one of the richest on par with the poorest and smallest states.

Which of our schools do you propose could go FBS? Only one I see is Fordham. NYU no longer has its Campus uptown. St.John's. Tried football dismal failure.

SDFS
September 25th, 2013, 11:12 PM
Pretty sure NDSU is the de facto owner of FCS in Minnesota.

Based on what? I live in the cities and follow local sports close.. St. Thomas and St. Johns get more press and media coverage that the FCS Dakota schools.

clenz
September 26th, 2013, 12:06 AM
UNI is closer to the twin cities than Fargo....

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Laker
September 26th, 2013, 07:56 AM
Based on what? I live in the cities and follow local sports close.. St. Thomas and St. Johns get more press and media coverage that the FCS Dakota schools.

He is saying FCS, not everyone besides the Gophers. With UST on WCCO and SJU having their own network, those two get more coverage than the D2 schools in MN. But NDSU has the most name recognition of any FCS school right now and for years in the past.

Brad82
September 26th, 2013, 08:36 AM
This is a great analysis.