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FlyYtown
October 10th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Please Post the teams that usually have a higher average mark during the season.

Youngstown State is averaging 15,403 through 3 games.
Montana is averaging 23,430 through 3 games.

That I would imagine is #1 in the Gateway.

Coastal89
October 10th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Averaging 8400 at Coastals small stadium(6408 cap.) so 131% of capacity is not too bad.

UAalum72
October 10th, 2005, 07:57 PM
The internet's a great place for looking stuff like this up:

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb2004/Internet/attendance/IAA_AVGATTENDANCE.pdf

Last year's numbers; schools with special off-campus games listed at the end; Yale average attendance increases by 7-8,000 in years when it hosts Harvard.

FlyYtown
October 10th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Thanks but I amtalking about this year.

SoCon48
October 10th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Averaging 8400 at Coastals small stadium(6408 cap.) so 131% of capacity is not too bad.

You're right. 46th in I-AA isn't bad for a new program.

Dallas Demon
October 10th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Also from GoDemons.com under the Analysis Section (first number is average attendance and is not rounded at this time, second number is the ranking - these are *unofficial* numbers):

Tennessee St. 33826 1
Florida AM 26604 2
Morgan St. 26071.75 3
Montana 23430.3333333333 4
Appalachian St. 23267 5
Delaware 22230.75 6
AR Pine Bluff 22106.5 7
Jackson St. 22058.25 8
Miss. Valley St. 21149.3333333333 9
Southern 20297 10
Villanova 16884 11
Georgia Southern 16697.6666666667 12
Prairie View AM 15981.5 13
Youngstown St. 15402.6666666667 14
James Madison 14468.3333333333 15
North Dakota St 14061 16
West. Kentucky 13911 17
Montana St. 13593.6666666667 18
S. Carolina St. 13532.5 19
N.C. AT 13282 20
Northwestern St. 13252 21
Furman 11890.25 22
Jacksonville St. 11865 23
Alabama St. 11797.3333333333 24
Weber St. 11355.6666666667 25
Southern Ill. 11348.5 26
Yale 11133.6666666667 27
Missouri St. 11040.6666666667 28
Norfolk St. 10946.6666666667 29
Texas St. 10932.3333333333 30
Western Ill. 10906 31
Grambling St. 10869 32
Citadel 10709.5 33
Harvard 10236.5 34
Bethune-Cookman 10151 35
Hampton 10130 36
Massachusetts 9916 37
Northern Iowa 9639 38
Eastern Kentucky 9500 39
Sam Houston St. 9393.5 40
Howard 9267.5 41
Western Carolina 9113 42
Cornell 8986.5 43
Idaho St. 8631.25 44
Illinois St. 8612.33333333333 45
Stephen F. Austin 8545 46
Northern Arizona 8472.33333333333 47
Coastal Carolina 8400 48
Eastern Illinois 8271 49
Alabama AM 8078.66666666667 50
William and Mary 7945 51
Alcorn St. 7900 52
Northern Colorado 7860.33333333333 53
South Dakota St 7810.75 54
Sacramento St. 7734 55
New Hampshire 7578.5 56
SE Missouri St. 7408.33333333333 57
Holy Cross 7293.66666666667 58
Cal Poly 7250.66666666667 59
SE Louisiana 7098.5 60
Morehead St. 7061.5 61
Fordham 6912 62
Lehigh 6888 63
Southern Utah 6849 64
Elon 6810.25 65
Liberty 6666 66
Wofford 6620.66666666667 67
Bucknell 6526 68
Chattanooga 6524.5 69
Eastern Wash. 6506 70
Virginia Military 6430.75 71
Princeton 6423.33333333333 72
UC Davis 6107.5 73
Towson 6087 74
Maine 5712.66666666667 75
Hofstra 5706 76
Tenn-Martin 5498.66666666667 77
Tennessee Tech 5406.5 78
Dartmouth 5313.5 79
Portland St. 4994 80
Colgate 4991 81
Austin Peay 4819 82
Dayton 4783 83
Richmond 4774 84
Texas Southern 4757 85
Nicholls St. 4732 86
Northeastern 4577.5 87
Lafayette 4486.5 88
Murray St. 4315.5 89
Stony Brook 4221 90
Brown 4204 91
Duquesne 3988.5 92
Albany 3666.5 93
Davidson 3641 94
Savannah St. 3570.25 95
Columbia 3511 96
Indiana St. 3225.25 97
Drake 3128.5 98
Robert Morris 3105 99
Central Conn. St. 2829 100
Gardner-Webb 2812.5 101
Monmouth 2650 102
Pennsylvania 2622.5 103
Rhode Island 2559.33333333333 104
McNeese St. 2527 105
Wagner 2375.66666666667 106
Delaware St. 2273 107
San Diego 2271.66666666667 108
Georgetown 2206 109
Samford 2156 110
Butler 2013.5 111
Valparaiso 1902 112
Marist 1845.66666666667 113
Sacred Heart 1820 114
La Salle 1597 115
St. Peters 1316 116
Charleston S. 1234.66666666667 117
Jacksonville 1206.33333333333 118
St. Francis (PA) 1115 119
Iona 785.5 120

FlyYtown
October 10th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Thanks DallasDemon.

That is all the info I need to see..
I love that Youngstown State is still in Top 10 of the I-AA Schools w/o the NAIA Schools involved. Those games are really packed.

Dallas Demon
October 10th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Thanks DallasDemon.

That is all the info I need to see..
I love that Youngstown State is still in Top 10 of the I-AA Schools w/o the NAIA Schools involved. Those games are really packed.

Also note that you can do things like select the attendance for visiting games only, games against I-A schools only, games against Division II, etc. etc. and analyze on the fly. Somebody please use this, it took me lots of time to code over the summer and then the time to enter the data each week! :eek:

JMU Duke Dog
October 10th, 2005, 08:25 PM
JMU's 2005 Attendance Figures

14,673 vs. Lock Haven
13,645 vs. Delaware State
15,087 vs. Maine

14,468 is the current season average attendance per game
107% of stadium capacity (Bridgeforth Stadium seats 13,559)

JMU's average attendance took a hit in the Delaware State game as that followed the loss at Coastal Carolina but the current average attendance should get boosts from hosting conference opponents Richmond, Villanova, and Towson later in the season.

SoCon48
October 10th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Also from GoDemons.com under the Analysis Section (first number is average attendance and is not rounded at this time, second number is the ranking - these are *unofficial* numbers):

Tennessee St. 33826 1
Florida AM 26604 2
Morgan St. 26071.75 3
Montana 23430.3333333333 4
Appalachian St. 23267 5
Delaware 22230.75 6
AR Pine Bluff 22106.5 7
Jackson St. 22058.25 8
Miss. Valley St. 21149.3333333333 9
Southern 20297 10
Villanova 16884 11
Georgia Southern 16697.6666666667 12
Prairie View AM 15981.5 13
Youngstown St. 15402.6666666667 14
James Madison 14468.3333333333 15
North Dakota St 14061 16
West. Kentucky 13911 17
Montana St. 13593.6666666667 18
S. Carolina St. 13532.5 19
N.C. AT 13282 20
Northwestern St. 13252 21
Furman 11890.25 22
Jacksonville St. 11865 23
Alabama St. 11797.3333333333 24
Weber St. 11355.6666666667 25
Southern Ill. 11348.5 26
Yale 11133.6666666667 27
Missouri St. 11040.6666666667 28
Norfolk St. 10946.6666666667 29
Texas St. 10932.3333333333 30
Western Ill. 10906 31
Grambling St. 10869 32
Citadel 10709.5 33
Harvard 10236.5 34
Bethune-Cookman 10151 35
Hampton 10130 36
Massachusetts 9916 37
Northern Iowa 9639 38
Eastern Kentucky 9500 39
Sam Houston St. 9393.5 40
Howard 9267.5 41
Western Carolina 9113 42
Cornell 8986.5 43
Idaho St. 8631.25 44
Illinois St. 8612.33333333333 45
Stephen F. Austin 8545 46
Northern Arizona 8472.33333333333 47
Coastal Carolina 8400 48
Eastern Illinois 8271 49
Alabama AM 8078.66666666667 50
William and Mary 7945 51
Alcorn St. 7900 52
Northern Colorado 7860.33333333333 53
South Dakota St 7810.75 54
Sacramento St. 7734 55
New Hampshire 7578.5 56
SE Missouri St. 7408.33333333333 57
Holy Cross 7293.66666666667 58
Cal Poly 7250.66666666667 59
SE Louisiana 7098.5 60
Morehead St. 7061.5 61
Fordham 6912 62
Lehigh 6888 63
Southern Utah 6849 64
Elon 6810.25 65
Liberty 6666 66
Wofford 6620.66666666667 67
Bucknell 6526 68
Chattanooga 6524.5 69
Eastern Wash. 6506 70
Virginia Military 6430.75 71
Princeton 6423.33333333333 72
UC Davis 6107.5 73
Towson 6087 74
Maine 5712.66666666667 75
Hofstra 5706 76
Tenn-Martin 5498.66666666667 77
Tennessee Tech 5406.5 78
Dartmouth 5313.5 79
Portland St. 4994 80
Colgate 4991 81
Austin Peay 4819 82
Dayton 4783 83
Richmond 4774 84
Texas Southern 4757 85
Nicholls St. 4732 86
Northeastern 4577.5 87
Lafayette 4486.5 88
Murray St. 4315.5 89
Stony Brook 4221 90
Brown 4204 91
Duquesne 3988.5 92
Albany 3666.5 93
Davidson 3641 94
Savannah St. 3570.25 95
Columbia 3511 96
Indiana St. 3225.25 97
Drake 3128.5 98
Robert Morris 3105 99
Central Conn. St. 2829 100
Gardner-Webb 2812.5 101
Monmouth 2650 102
Pennsylvania 2622.5 103
Rhode Island 2559.33333333333 104
McNeese St. 2527 105
Wagner 2375.66666666667 106
Delaware St. 2273 107
San Diego 2271.66666666667 108
Georgetown 2206 109
Samford 2156 110
Butler 2013.5 111
Valparaiso 1902 112
Marist 1845.66666666667 113
Sacred Heart 1820 114
La Salle 1597 115
St. Peters 1316 116
Charleston S. 1234.66666666667 117
Jacksonville 1206.33333333333 118
St. Francis (PA) 1115 119
Iona 785.5 120

You're right. This does differ from the Official Attendance figures and rankings on www.NCAA.org through Saturday's game. They have Tenn St, Montana, ASU, Delaware, and SU in that order 1-5 for example..

Fordham
October 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM
aw, yeah, fellas - finally something that the Rams are leading the PL in!!

I'd much rather be hangin' my hat on some W's but top attendance (granted we've had all of 1 home game thus far ... ) is something I don't mind doing it on.

SoCon48
October 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM
As mentioned above:

The official NCAA I-AA attendance figures and rankings through last Saturday, Oct 8 are at:
www.ncaa.org

Stang Fever
October 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM
These types of stats can be found at.... NCAASports.com

McNeese75
October 10th, 2005, 09:35 PM
:mad: Where are our numbers?????? :confused: :D

Dallas Demon
October 10th, 2005, 10:04 PM
You're right. This does differ from the Official Attendance figures and rankings on www.NCAA.org through Saturday's game. They have Tenn St, Montana, ASU, Delaware, and SU in that order 1-5 for example..

They may not be including neutral sites even though the neutral site will have a home team. For now, I've got it coded as either home or visitor. My numbers for the individual games come from the ncaa.org web site. Something to check when I have time.

Dallas Demon
October 10th, 2005, 10:11 PM
:mad: Where are our numbers?????? :confused: :D

McNeese St., Average Home Attendance 2,527, Rank 105

I checked the ncaa.org site and they are NOT including neutral site games with consideration for the home team for those games (in contrast to what is done on GoDemons.com). Hence the Cowboys game vs. Texas Southern is not included in that listing because it was played at Northwestern St., even though the Cowboys were the home team.

TigerFan17
October 10th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Morgan St. 26071.75 3


Huh!?

Morgan has had a single home game this year which the attendance was 9500. They generally draw around 4000.

TheBisonator
October 11th, 2005, 02:05 AM
North Dakota State's home attendance so far:

13,793 - Arkansas-Monticello
14,368 - Weber State
14,022 - Nicholls State

Average - 14,061

Stadium Capacity - 18,700

Percentage - 75.2% capacity

Ranking in I-AA - 10th

th0m
October 11th, 2005, 05:01 AM
Ranking in I-AA - 10th

You mean, 16th? :confused:

colgate13
October 11th, 2005, 08:26 AM
Somebody please use this, it took me lots of time to code over the summer and then the time to enter the data each week! :eek:

Now that I know about it, it is bookmarked and I will use it in the future. Nice work!

Dallas Demon
October 11th, 2005, 08:46 AM
Huh!?

Morgan has had a single home game this year which the attendance was 9500. They generally draw around 4000.

Morgan St. vs. Savannah St. on 9/17 drew 40,502 fans. I think it was at a neutral site, but Morgan St. was the home team. Hence their higher than normal average. When I have time, I'll break apart the neutral site games within the code.

89Hen
October 11th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Florida AM 26604 2
Morgan St. 26071.75 3
Includes Classics FAMU is averaging 11,758 in Tally and Morgan is averaging 10,524 in Baltimore.

AZGrizFan
October 11th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Please Post the teams that usually have a higher average mark during the season.

Youngstown State is averaging 15,403 through 3 games.
Montana is averaging 23,430 through 3 games.

That I would imagine is #1 in the Gateway.

The $64,000 question is this: How many COULD Montana get if they had more seats?! :nod: :nod: I'm bettin' 35,000.

89Hen
October 11th, 2005, 11:41 AM
How many COULD Montana get if they had more seats?! :nod: :nod: I'm bettin' 35,000.
You sound like the dellusional Hen fans. :nod: I'm betting more like 25,000.

grizbeer
October 11th, 2005, 11:43 AM
The $64,000 question is this: How many COULD Montana get if they had more seats?! :nod: :nod: I'm bettin' 35,000.Maybe, but I don't think so, especially as season average. There weren't a lot of people looking for tickets for FLC and SDSU. Homecoming was big, and probably could have sold 30,000 for that one, and this week with EWU is huge, so maybe 30 - 35k for that one as well. Cal Poly and Portland State might be down a little with hunting season starting, although with a Griz win this weekend the UM-Cal Poly game could be a match up of top 5 teams if James Madison loses at UMASS, and combined with no live TV that game could draw pretty well.

AZGrizFan
October 11th, 2005, 11:52 AM
You sound like the dellusional Hen fans. :nod: I'm betting more like 25,000.

That's funny. Montana is averaging 23,470 in a stadium with a capacity of 23,117, with games against Fort Lewis, Weber State and SDSU (not exactly the greatest drawing cards) and yet you think there's only 1500 more people who'd go if they could get a ticket? :rolleyes: I'll see your 25,000, and raise you 30,000 minimum, with 35K for homecoming, MSU, and other big games (EWU and CP and PSU this year). Dellusional or not, UM is leaving money on the table by not adding capacity.

VictorG
October 11th, 2005, 12:00 PM
IMO and this is strictly MO, I think 1500 more would be a pretty good guess. We've gotten the large crowds this year because of the games being tape delayed and other promo reasons.

I have a different way of determining how many people are not going to the games that want to go. That being we ALWAYS have from 2 to 4 extra tickets and we're having to work harder to give them away free to people. The only requirement is that the people MUST actually go. We don't give them to "iffy" people! :)

89Hen
October 11th, 2005, 01:06 PM
That's funny. Montana is averaging 23,470 in a stadium with a capacity of 23,117, with games against Fort Lewis, Weber State and SDSU (not exactly the greatest drawing cards) and yet you think there's only 1500 more people who'd go if they could get a ticket? :rolleyes: I'll see your 25,000, and raise you 30,000 minimum, with 35K for homecoming, MSU, and other big games (EWU and CP and PSU this year). Dellusional or not, UM is leaving money on the table by not adding capacity.
And UD is averaging 22,250 in a stadium with a capacity of 22,000 with games against West Chester and Holy Cross.... So what? To honestly think you could draw 25% more than you're currently drawing is silly. Over time, maybe, but some Hen fans are saying the same thing. Until you start seeing scalpers outside of Wash-Griz or the Tub getting double and triple face value for seats, there are only 500-1500 people not getting in that would have bought tix.

bigbluetiger
October 11th, 2005, 01:23 PM
Tn State has had only one home games and three nuetral site games. The NCAA does not count nuetral site games in their figures. Those nuetral site classics averaged around 50K. Look for that number to decrease as we have three more home OVC games however, one is homecoming which should draw around 20k to 25k.

catbob
October 11th, 2005, 02:28 PM
I bet Cat/Griz in Missoula could draw 35,000 total at least. Including Cat fans of course.

McNeese75
October 11th, 2005, 02:43 PM
McNeese St., Average Home Attendance 2,527, Rank 105

I checked the ncaa.org site and they are NOT including neutral site games with consideration for the home team for those games (in contrast to what is done on GoDemons.com). Hence the Cowboys game vs. Texas Southern is not included in that listing because it was played at Northwestern St., even though the Cowboys were the home team.

Thanks DD, just wanted to be sure we were in the game :D

AZGrizFan
October 12th, 2005, 11:45 AM
IMO and this is strictly MO, I think 1500 more would be a pretty good guess. We've gotten the large crowds this year because of the games being tape delayed and other promo reasons.

I have a different way of determining how many people are not going to the games that want to go. That being we ALWAYS have from 2 to 4 extra tickets and we're having to work harder to give them away free to people. The only requirement is that the people MUST actually go. We don't give them to "iffy" people! :)

Victor, I agree with 1500 more for the three games already held. But I'll bet those scalpers ARE standing outside the stadium THIS weekend, and for the next 2 weekends after that. I'm also bettin' you won't have nearly as difficult a time getting rid of extra tickets to these next three games. If you do, I'll give you my Dad's phone #...he lives in Stevensville! ;) ;) He'd be HAPPY to take ANY extra tickets off your hands!

My point is: 23,000 for that weak of competition says something. And 30K wouldn't be unreasonable for EWU and/or Cal Poly, with 35K for MSU (if it was here). Hell, it'd draw 35K ANYWHERE.

And no offense to 89Hen, but there's just a FEW more things to do in the NE than in Montana. In Missoula, it's the only show in town---NO competition.

89Hen
October 12th, 2005, 11:51 AM
And no offense to 89Hen, but there's just a FEW more things to do in the NE than in Montana. In Missoula, it's the only show in town---NO competition.
None taken, but there's also just a FEW more people living here than in Missoula. I've said it before, but my county has as many people in it as the state of Montana. I would like nothing more than to agree with you and the Hen fans that think we could somehow magically increase attendance by 25-50% just by adding seats. I think the administrations agree with me. At least they are adding seats in Montana, but even so, they're adding 3-5k over a couple years. If they thought for a second that they could draw 30,000 almost every game, they wouldn't have just decked the corners of your endzones, they would have double deckered one of the entire sides.

ngineer
October 12th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Actually Lehigh's 6888, while significantly lower than usual isn't bad considering only 1275 showed up in the monsoon on Saturday, which was only our second home game (there had been 5700 advance/season tix sold for Holy Cross.

Psychored
October 12th, 2005, 01:05 PM
One thing to note about WKU is that they always seem to UNDERSTATE their attendance figures! :confused: For example, at our first home game against W. Va Tech, the announced attendance was only around 8900. But those that were there would tell you that there were well over 10K at the game! :nod: Since students get in by showing their IDs and there are no turnstiles, we have surmised that student attendance does not get counted! :bang: Only the ticket stubs. We also believe this is planned so that when the move to 1-A is made, we'll have turnstiles to get an accurate count for attendance requirement purposes.

jski1977
October 12th, 2005, 03:17 PM
Villanova's number is inflated by the "home" game they played against Penn at Penn's Franklin Field. Their average is a few thousand more than their stadium can hold.

dakotadan
October 13th, 2005, 05:02 PM
North Dakota State's home attendance so far:

13,793 - Arkansas-Monticello
14,368 - Weber State
14,022 - Nicholls State

Average - 14,061

Stadium Capacity - 18,700

Percentage - 75.2% capacity

Ranking in I-AA - 10th

Considering the Bison's remaining home schedule, I would expect a couple near sell-outs. The average should go up considerably. NDSU will end up with an impressive average this season.

AZGrizFan
October 13th, 2005, 05:14 PM
None taken, but there's also just a FEW more people living here than in Missoula. I've said it before, but my county has as many people in it as the state of Montana. I would like nothing more than to agree with you and the Hen fans that think we could somehow magically increase attendance by 25-50% just by adding seats. I think the administrations agree with me. At least they are adding seats in Montana, but even so, they're adding 3-5k over a couple years. If they thought for a second that they could draw 30,000 almost every game, they wouldn't have just decked the corners of your endzones, they would have double deckered one of the entire sides.

But does your entire county live, eat and breath Hen football? In Missoula in the late 70's and 80's it was basketball, with Jud Heathcote, Michael Ray Richardson, Larry Krystowiack, etc. When Don Read showed up, that changed. Now it's football...the problem is that without consistently good competition in the BSC, you get years like THIS year (EWU, PSU, Cal-Poly) at home, and then you get years like next year (Sac State, NAU, ISU--ugh). Maybe they just need to put up 5K temporary seats every OTHER year. ;) ;)

JMU2K_DukeDawg
October 13th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Griz, we in JMU-land feels your pain of an off-scheduling year.

Nonetheless, we have sold out for the season, despite that our home games are D2 Lock Haven, Del. St., Maine, Richmond, Villanova, and Towson.

That means we're on the road for CCU, Hofstra, UMass, Delaware, W&M.

Of course, the conference games were stacked in the opposite direction last year.

I am glad we got a weak home schedule this year though following the national championship. That means next year, the possibility of a fall off from season ticket sales is less likely since the home games will be against bigger rivals. Still, the fickle fans of I-AA need us to put together another good playoff run to build on last year's accomplishments, otherwise, the doubters will reign.

So far, Bridgeforth Stadium has not been a place I would want to play in if I were playing in I-AA, or I-A for that matter. :nod:

Hansel
October 13th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Considering the Bison's remaining home schedule, I would expect a couple near sell-outs. The average should go up considerably. NDSU will end up with an impressive average this season.
I actually thought our attendance was going to be down a bit this year, but have been pleasantly surprised, we should finish with a 14k plus average this year, and have the possibility of 15k if we can put together a win streak