Ticket sales comparison

[Ronbo]

All ticket sales figures here.
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show_field_rank


Here is the bottom of the top 100 which includes quite a few FCS schools.

50. Washington State University $3,388,719

51. University of Montana $3,381,935

52. Boise State University $2,933,633

53. Indiana University $2,670,141

54. University of South Florida $2,528,540

55. University of Memphis $2,395,837

56. East Carolina University $2,067,688

57. Colorado State University $1,976,598

58. University of Texas-El Paso $1,969,639

59. Rutgers $1,915,963

60. San Diego State University $1,726,374

61. University of New Mexico $1,710,537

62. Marshall University $1,551,690

63. University of Wyoming $1,388,970

64. University of Southern Mississippi $1,375,554

65. University of Nevada $1,283,339

66. University of Nevada-Las Vegas $1,146,380

67. University of Central Florida $1,145,224

68. University of Cincinnati $1,082,821

69. Toledo University $923,156

70. Montana State University $870,734

71. University of Houston $819,500

72. University of Alabama-Birmingham $592,559

73. Troy State University $579,516

74. Miami University (Ohio) $565,722

75. Louisiana Tech University $552,527

76. Bowling Green State University $511,799

77. College of William & Mary $496,279

78. University at Buffalo $487,042

79. New Mexico State University $473,188

80. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff $469,612

81. Georgia Southern University $460,564

82. University of Louisiana-Lafayette $427,346

83. Youngstown State University $424,579

84. Appalachian State University $404,216

85. Utah State University $376,774

86. Southern Illinois University $373,087

87. The Citadel $370,818

88. San Jose State University $358,833

89. James Madison University $354,297

90. Central Michigan University $354,242

91. Coastal Carolina University $319,042

92. Ohio University $316,001

93. University of Northern Iowa $301,391

94. University of North Texas $299,515

95. Norfolk State University $271,050

96. Florida Atlantic University $270,722

97. University of Louisiana-Monroe $242,006

98. Ball State University $206,238

99. Eastern Kentucky University $204,034

100. Illinois State University $202,891

[Cleets]

WTF..!!! xeekx


$3mil in ticket sales... xoopsx

[APPALACHIANstate]

There is nothing else to do in Montana.

[Ronbo]

More to do here than in App. State Country.

Rolling Stones and Elton John last Fall. Both sold out in hours.

Elton John back last Friday for a second sold out concert.

Major Ski Areas throughout the state.

World Class Trout Rivers.

Two National Parks.

World Class hunting for Elk, Deer, Big Horn Sheep, Moose, Antelope, and Mountain Goat.

Mountain Climbing, kayaking, sailing, etc, etc, etc.

You tell me what a city guy does that is more fun and entertaining. When I lived in the city all we wanted to do was GET AWAY FROM IT!!!!!

[Skjellyfetti]

More to do here than in App. State Country.

Major Ski Areas throughout the state.

World Class Trout Rivers.

Two National Parks.

Mountain Climbing, kayaking, sailing, etc, etc, etc.

North Carolina has the same with the addition of a pro football team and 4 FBS teams in the state.

[DFW HOYA]

The Indianapolis Star data is public schools only. Clearly, there are a number of I-AA/CS private schools in the top 100.

[Skjellyfetti]

Also, not sure of the figures. This article puts App at 1.5 million for 2007:


Ticket sales revenue in 2004 (the last season the team didn’t make the playoffs) was $415,000. It jumped to $1.5 million in 2007.

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200771207001

Do the above figures only include regular season games? (link doesn't work for me).

If so, Montana had 7 home games vs. App's 5.

[Cleets]

North Carolina has the same with the addition of a pro football team and 4 FBS teams in the state.

So you're saying you were wrong then.. xnodx

[Ronbo]

Yeah it's funny that URL won't link.

Go here http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/

Pick out any school, then search. When you reach that page go down under the revenue figures to a search for football ticket sales. That will take you to a page with all the schools listed.

[Skjellyfetti]

So you're saying you were wrong then.. xnodx

Not sure what you are saying I was wrong about. I think Montana is a great state.

http://www.ranchamerica.co.uk/images/press_stories/7_1_shutterstock%20-%20Montana.jpg

[Ronbo]

North Carolina has the same with the addition of a pro football team and 4 FBS teams in the state.


Really and you go to the pro football and the other FBS games on Saturday instead of the App State game? I live within driving distance to 10 FBS teams and 2 Pro Football, 4 Pro Basketball, and 2 Pro Baseball teams. That doesn't keep me away from the Griz on Sat.

By the way our National Parks are ranked #1 and #3 in the United States. They aren't your everyday National Parks they are the cream of the crop.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah it's funny that URL won't link.

Go here http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/

Pick out any school, then search. When you reach that page go down under the revenue figures to a search for football ticket sales. That will take you to a page with all the schools listed.

Ah, thanks for that.


It came from forms required by the NCAA for the 2004-05 school year.

[AppStFan76]

You tell me what a city guy does that is more fun and entertaining. When I lived in the city all we wanted to do was GET AWAY FROM IT!!!!![/QUOTE]

FYI Boone ( home of Appalachian State University) is by no means a "city" the "Town of Boone" has just about everything you listed to do. With the exception of a few big game animals.

Not saying Montana is not a wonderful place to live, just wanted to give you some perspective on the "city" you were compairing it to. I grew up in Boone and enjoyed all of the aspects of small town life, but I'm glad that I got away and moved to Charlotte.

The really nice part is I'm only an hour and a half away, so I can enjoy the mountains just about any time!

[Skjellyfetti]

Really and you go to the pro football and the other FBS games on Saturday instead of the App State game?

Hell no.



I live within driving distance to 10 FBS teams and 2 Pro Football, 4 Pro Basketball, and 2 Pro Baseball teams. That doesn't keep me away from the Griz on Sat.

Is Missoula, Montana within driving distance of 10 FBS teams, 2 Pro football teams, 4 pro basketball and 2 Pro Baseball teams? If so then I will count all the teams on the eastern seaboard and get back to you...


By the way our National Parks are ranked #1 and #3 in the United States. They aren't your everyday National Parks they are the cream of the crop.

This is really just comparing apples to oranges. I know Montana has great National Parks and I would never question that. However, North Carolina has equal, if not better, ones. The Blue Ridge Parkway is the most visited site owned by the National Park Service and The Great Smoky Mountains is the most visited National Park.

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2007/07/top-10-most-visited-national-parks

[AZGrizFan]

Hell no.



Is Missoula, Montana within driving distance of 10 FBS teams, 2 Pro football teams, 4 pro basketball and 2 Pro Baseball teams? If so then I will count all the teams on the eastern seaboard and get back to you...



This is really just comparing apples to oranges. I know Montana has great National Parks and I would never question that. However, North Carolina has equal, if not better, ones. The Blue Ridge Parkway is the most visited site owned by the National Park Service and The Great Smoky Mountains is the most visited National Park.

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2007/07/top-10-most-visited-national-parks

A) depends on how far you're willing to drive... :D
B) check the available population within 500 miles of YOUR parks. I'm gonna guess the figure is roughly 50 x as many as within 500 miles of Glacier NP.

[Cleets]

Not sure what you are saying I was wrong about. I think Montana is a great state.

http://www.ranchamerica.co.uk/images/press_stories/7_1_shutterstock%20-%20Montana.jpg

oops... disregard (sorry)xlolx

[Skjellyfetti]

B) check the available population within 500 miles of YOUR parks. I'm gonna guess the figure is roughly 50 x as many as within 500 miles of Glacier NP.

I agree. Like I was saying, comparing these is really apples vs. oranges:

http://z.about.com/d/homebuying/1/0/K/2/smokies.jpg

vs.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=66833&rendTypeId=4

Both gorgeous, but neither obviously superior to the other.

[Ronbo]

You tell me what a city guy does that is more fun and entertaining. When I lived in the city all we wanted to do was GET AWAY FROM IT!!!!!

FYI Boone ( home of Appalachian State University) is by no means a "city" the "Town of Boone" has just about everything you listed to do. With the exception of a few big game animals.

Not saying Montana is not a wonderful place to live, just wanted to give you some perspective on the "city" you were compairing it to. I grew up in Boone and enjoyed all of the aspects of small town life, but I'm glad that I got away and moved to Charlotte.

The really nice part is I'm only an hour and a half away, so I can enjoy the mountains just about any time![/QUOTE]

No you get me wrong. The argument is always we do well in attendance because we live in a rural state. My argument is that I have way more activities to do here than when I lived in the city. As an example take Seinfeld. That's how I felt in the City. "What do you want to do? I don't know, you want to go get coffee? Are you hungry? Want to go get something to eat? Let's go to a movie?" Etc, Etc, Etc. Maybe a handful of times a year you go to a pro game in the City. It certainly wouldn't interfere with suppoting the local FCS team unless you "just didn't care."

[Ronbo]

Is Missoula, Montana within driving distance of 10 FBS teams, 2 Pro football teams, 4 pro basketball and 2 Pro Baseball teams? If so then I will count all the teams on the eastern seaboard and get back to you...

I've been to 3 Seahawk Games, 2 Supersonics games, 3 Trailblazer games, 1 Jazz game, 2 Bronco games, 4 Mariner games, and 2 Rockies games in the last ten years. I attend a couple pro games a year. About the same as I did when I lived in California. Sure it's 500 miles but what we do is make a get away weekend of it. Get a hotel, eat out, sight see, and take in a game. Works out just beautifully.

I know lot's of people up here that do the same.

[RadMann]

Delaware is not a fully public university, so it is not on the list. I am assuming it would be somewhere in the Montana range if it were included.

[McTailGator]

All ticket sales figures here.
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show_field_rank


Here is the bottom of the top 100 which includes quite a few FCS schools.

51. University of Montana $3,381,935

70. Montana State University $870,734

73. Troy State University $579,516

75. Louisiana Tech University $552,527

82. University of Louisiana-Lafayette $427,346

83. Youngstown State University $424,579

84. Appalachian State University $404,216

86. Southern Illinois University $373,087

89. James Madison University $354,297

91. Coastal Carolina University $319,042

93. University of Northern Iowa $301,391

95. Norfolk State University $271,050

99. Eastern Kentucky University $204,034

100. Illinois State University $202,891


There are several schools not on this list, Like McNeese, and Delaware.

McNeese is not reported on that data base, but I am told that we are second in ths state of Louisiana only to LSU (which is just off the freaking charts).

I am also told by a SunBelt fan that McNeese would have led all SunBelt Schools in Football Ticket sales as well, which is why I left Troy on here, because they led the SunBelch.

LaTech was just behind McNeese by a few thousand dollars.

Interesting enough, McNeese fans bought over 11,000 tickets for $15 each in week three of the 2007 season, when we played AT Louisiana-Lafayette. That acounted for about HALF of their entire revenue. There were about 33,000 people at that game, of which many were students that got in free.

They must have had an empty stadium in their other 5 home games.

[tribe_pride]

I've been to 3 Seahawk Games, 2 Supersonics games, 3 Trailblazer games, 1 Jazz game, 2 Bronco games, 4 Mariner games, and 2 Rockies games in the last ten years. I attend a couple pro games a year. About the same as I did when I lived in California. Sure it's 500 miles but what we do is make a get away weekend of it. Get a hotel, eat out, sight see, and take in a game. Works out just beautifully.

I know lot's of people up here that do the same.

Good for you for going to all of these games but according to Yahoo Maps, Denver is 900 miles from Missoula.

[McNeese72]

There are several schools not on this list, Like McNeese, and Delaware.

McNeese is not reported on that data base, but I am told that we are second in ths state of Louisiana only to LSU (which is just off the freaking charts).

I am also told by a SunBelt fan that McNeese would have led all SunBelt Schools in Football Ticket sales as well, which is why I left Troy on here, because they led the SunBelch.

LaTech was just behind McNeese by a few thousand dollars.

Interesting enough, McNeese fans bought over 11,000 tickets for $15 each in week three of the 2007 season, when we played AT Louisiana-Lafayette. That acounted for about HALF of their entire revenue. There were about 33,000 people at that game, of which many were students that got in free.

They must have had an empty stadium in their other 5 home games.

Greg,

I think someone said that the figures were from the 2004-2005 fiscal year. And something named Rita happened to us in the 2005 football season.

I couldn't figure out how ULL had more ticket sales than us, too, until I found out what year it was. If it is from that season than the figures are two seasons behind the times. :)

Doc

[Saint3333]

All ticket sales figures here.
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show_field_rank


84. Appalachian State University $404,216

[/b]

Sorry can't trust these figures. At a $22.50 average ticket price for ASU 2007 tickets, that would mean only 18,000 tickets were sold for the entire year. Remember that ASU averaged 28K in the 6 regular season games last season. Approximately 8K per game were students, so I believe the ticket revenue would be closer to $2.7 million (6 X 20,000 X $22.5) for 2007.

[McTailGator]

Greg,

I think someone said that the figures were from the 2004-2005 fiscal year. And something named Rita happened to us in the 2005 football season.

I couldn't figure out how ULL had more ticket sales than us, too, until I found out what year it was. If it is from that season than the figures are two seasons behind the times. :)

Doc


Hell, 2004 wasn't all that great either for us. :(

Especially afterthe first 3 games of the season.

[McNeese72]

Hell, 2004 wasn't all that great either for us. :(

Especially afterthe first 3 games of the season.

The 2004-2005 fiscal year would include the 2005 football season where the hurricane won, not the 2004 football season where we just sucked. :)

Doc

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

McNeese is not reported on that data base, but I am told that we are second in ths state of Louisiana only to LSU (which is just off the freaking charts).

I think someone told you wrong xlolx . SU averages way more fans than McNeese and SU's ticket prices($28-$52) are significantly higher than McNeese's.

[McTailGator]

I think someone told you wrong xlolx . SU averages way more fans than McNeese and SU's ticket prices($28-$52) are significantly higher than McNeese's.

The ULM fan that brought that to our attention may have just been looking at the ULS schools.

Or perhaps McNeese may have had more home games that may have gotten the total up. Those Classic games, and neutral site games probably didn't count in SU's figure.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

The ULM fan that brought that to our attention may have just been looking at the ULS schools.

Or perhaps McNeese may have had more home games that may have gotten the total up. Those Classic games, and neutral site games probably didn't count in SU's figure.

Honest mistake. SU usually has 5 plus home games not including The Bayou Classic, which isn't considered a home game.

[Syntax Error]

Honest mistake. SU usually has 5 plus home games not including The Bayou Classic, which isn't considered a home game.SU in 2007 18,913 avg.
MSU in 2007 13,420 avg.

[paward]

That list may be like income taxes only post what you want them to know.

[Ronbo]

Good for you for going to all of these games but according to Yahoo Maps, Denver is 900 miles from Missoula.

Yeah we go down to Denver every couple years and fly when we do. The other cities are roughly 500 miles.

[CopperCat]

There is nothing else to do in Montana.

You clearly have never been to Montana. As HIU would say "Batting 1.000 again are we?"xlolx

[DuckDuckGriz]

I've been to 3 Seahawk Games, 2 Supersonics games, 3 Trailblazer games, 1 Jazz game, 2 Bronco games, 4 Mariner games, and 2 Rockies games in the last ten years. I attend a couple pro games a year. About the same as I did when I lived in California. Sure it's 500 miles but what we do is make a get away weekend of it. Get a hotel, eat out, sight see, and take in a game. Works out just beautifully.

I know lot's of people up here that do the same.

Not to mention for sports Washington State, Montana State, U of Idaho, Boise State, Utah State, BYU, Utah, Gonzaga, Mariners, Seahawks, Sonics, Washington Huskies, Blazers are all in a day's drive - but what do we know U of M is all that's there xrolleyesx

Not to mention the VASTLY SUPERIOR outdoors Montana has over North Carolina and yes I have experienced both........


I fight arrogance with arrogance

[Ronbo]

Oregon and Oregon State are a days drive too.

[APPALACHIANstate]

You clearly have never been to Montana. As HIU would say "Batting 1.000 again are we?"xlolx

I don't want to go to Montana.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't want to go to Montana.

This is without a doubt, the best thing that you have ever posted.

[appchuck]

North Carolina has the same with the addition of a pro football team and 4 FBS teams in the state.

There are actually 5 FBS schools in North Carolina. UNC, NC State, Wake, Duke, and East Carolina. I do not know which one was forgotten about, but they all are worth forgetting. There is only 1 football school in North Carolina, and it is none of the above.xnodx

[KiddBrewer]

just a question, cause i dont know for sure?

dont montana students have to pay for tickets? could that have an influence on the numbers?

[SoCon48]

[QUOTE=Ronbo;926053]Really and you go to the pro football and the other FBS games on Saturday instead of the App State game? I live within driving distance to 10 FBS teams and 2 Pro Football, 4 Pro Basketball, and 2 Pro Baseball teams. That doesn't keep me away from the Griz on Sat.

By the way our National Parks are ranked #1 and #3 in the United States. They aren't your everyday National Parks they are the cream of the crop/QUOTE]

Ummm. Great Smoky Mountain National Park in NC:

and Great Smoky Mountains National Park again led all the "national parks" in visits, with 9.4 million (for about the umpteenth year in a row.

[SoCon48]

Oregon and Oregon State are a days drive too.

a days drive

A day's drive? 4 of 5 FBS programs in NC are 4-5 hours away with 1 only 1 1/2 hrs.

[Skjellyfetti]

There are actually 5 FBS schools in North Carolina. UNC, NC State, Wake, Duke, and East Carolina. I do not know which one was forgotten about, but they all are worth forgetting. There is only 1 football school in North Carolina, and it is none of the above.xnodx

I forgot about Duke. xlolx

[crunifan]

I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and I live within driving distance to 8 FBS schools, 5 NFL teams, 6 MLB, and 4 NBA teams. Do I win a prize, too?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and I live within driving distance to 8 FBS schools, 5 NFL teams, 6 MLB, and 4 NBA teams. Do I win a prize, too?

Within 5 hours i got 8 NFL teams, 7 MLB, 5 NBA, 8 NHL teams, and 4 NASCAR tracks, being 2 hours from Philly and NYC certaintly helps. The too many to mention FCS teams including Delaware, Princeton, Yale, Harvard and Lehigh all manage to due very to pretty good attendance wise. The northeast is home to the majority of small private schools in FCS which explains their lower attendance more than the million things to due.

[AshevilleApp2]

Montana is an awesome state. Somewhere in this thread I saw a ranking for National Parks. Where did the rating come from?

[Cap'n Cat]

North Carolina has the same with the addition of a pro football team and 4 FBS teams in the state.


Rep points.


xthumbsupx

[Cap'n Cat]

FYI Boone ( home of Appalachian State University) is by no means a "city" the "Town of Boone" has just about everything you listed to do. With the exception of a few big game animals.

Not saying Montana is not a wonderful place to live, just wanted to give you some perspective on the "city" you were compairing it to. I grew up in Boone and enjoyed all of the aspects of small town life, but I'm glad that I got away and moved to Charlotte.

The really nice part is I'm only an hour and a half away, so I can enjoy the mountains just about any time!

No you get me wrong. The argument is always we do well in attendance because we live in a rural state. My argument is that I have way more activities to do here than when I lived in the city. As an example take Seinfeld. That's how I felt in the City. "What do you want to do? I don't know, you want to go get coffee? Are you hungry? Want to go get something to eat? Let's go to a movie?" Etc, Etc, Etc. Maybe a handful of times a year you go to a pro game in the City. It certainly wouldn't interfere with suppoting the local FCS team unless you "just didn't care."[/quote]


Jesus, Ronnie.


xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx

[AppAlum2003]

I forgot about Duke. xlolx

No, you said FBS programs! Duke doesn't belong in that discussion.

[SoCon48]

Montana is an awesome state. Somewhere in this thread I saw a ranking for National Parks. Where did the rating come from?
Truth is great Smokey Mtns nat park draws more than any of the parks (double the next closest) and the Blue Ridge Parkway the most in the park system in general.

Great Smoky Mountains National Park recorded 9.37 million visits in 2007, the highest number of the national parks. Grand Canyon National Park was second with 4.4 million visits while Yosemite National Park was third in visits with 3.5 million. Yellowstone National Park was fourth in visits with 3.15 million. Olympic National Park was fifth in visits with 2.99 million.
Rounding out the top 10 of national park visits are Rocky Mountain National Park, 2.89 million, Zion National Park, 2.66 million, Grand Teton National Park, 2.59 million, Cuyahoga Valley National Park, 2.49 million, and Acadia National Park, 2.2 million.xrulesx


At 17.35 million, the Blue Ridge Parkway recorded the highest number of visits in the national park system last year. Golden Gate National Recreation Area was second with 14.4 million visits. Gateway National Recreation Area was third at 8.8 million visits followed by Lake Mead National Recreation Area at 7.6 million visits, and Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area at 4.8 million xrulesx

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2008/02/2007-national-park-visitation-shows-3-million-visitor-increase

[AshevilleApp2]

Truth is great Smokey Mtns nat park draws more than any of the parks (double the next closest) and the Blue Ridge Parkway the most in the park system in general.

Great Smoky Mountains National Park recorded 9.37 million visits in 2007, the highest number of the national parks. Grand Canyon National Park was second with 4.4 million visits while Yosemite National Park was third in visits with 3.5 million. Yellowstone National Park was fourth in visits with 3.15 million. Olympic National Park was fifth in visits with 2.99 million.
Rounding out the top 10 of national park visits are Rocky Mountain National Park, 2.89 million, Zion National Park, 2.66 million, Grand Teton National Park, 2.59 million, Cuyahoga Valley National Park, 2.49 million, and Acadia National Park, 2.2 million.xrulesx


At 17.35 million, the Blue Ridge Parkway recorded the highest number of visits in the national park system last year. Golden Gate National Recreation Area was second with 14.4 million visits. Gateway National Recreation Area was third at 8.8 million visits followed by Lake Mead National Recreation Area at 7.6 million visits, and Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area at 4.8 million xrulesx

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2008/02/2007-national-park-visitation-shows-3-million-visitor-increase

I realize that the Smokies and the Parkway lead in attendance. I'm just curious where the other rankings came from.

[SoCon48]

Somebody is always making up rankings to make certain groups feel better. Attendance in a NP is the best ranking.

[AshevilleApp2]

Somebody is always making up rankings to make certain groups feel better. Attendance in a NP is the best ranking.

While I agree with you that the Smokies and Parkway are beautiful, other factors can inflate attendance numbers. One advantage our parks have is relative proximity to more people. The Smokies are an easy half day to day drive from the majority of the population of the country.

As far as the Parkway, in the Asheville area stretches of the road are used by commuters looking to avoid red lights. I did myself twice over the weekend. There's six or seven ways to access the Parkway in the Boone area. I used to be out there four or five times a week when I lived up there. These all add to higher attendance figures.

[DuckDuckGriz]

just a question, cause i dont know for sure?

dont montana students have to pay for tickets? could that have an influence on the numbers?

Montana student tickets are covered through incidental fees and are not involved with ticket sales numbers.

[AshevilleApp2]

Montana student tickets are covered through incidental fees and are not involved with ticket sales numbers.

Ya'll are a dedicated bunch. xthumbsupx

[grizband]

Honestly, I am happy Glacier doesn't rank at the top of attendance statistics. I enjoy finding solitude when visiting the park, and am perfectly content when the amount of people in Glacier.

[boonegoon]

Having lived and played in both Montana and NC. They are both stunningly beautiful. More visitors in a NP doesn't make it better. If you count non-motorized traffic I'd say Smokey Mtn and Glacier are close. The mountain biking is stellar here in NC while the trout are hands down better in Montana. Skiing too.

[AZGrizFan]

Not to mention for sports Washington State, Montana State, U of Idaho, Boise State, Utah State, BYU, Utah, Gonzaga, Mariners, Seahawks, Sonics, Washington Huskies, Blazers are all in a day's drive - but what do we know U of M is all that's there xrolleyesx

Not to mention the VASTLY SUPERIOR outdoors Montana has over North Carolina and yes I have experienced both........


I fight arrogance with arrogance

Be careful, DD, you cross that state line into Utah and you've got to set your clocks back 20 years. xeyebrowx xeyebrowx

[AshevilleApp2]

Having lived and played in both Montana and NC. They are both stunningly beautiful. More visitors in a NP doesn't make it better. If you count non-motorized traffic I'd say Smokey Mtn and Glacier are close. The mountain biking is stellar here in NC while the trout are hands down better in Montana. Skiing too.

Very true. I've been lucky enough to visit a great many National Parks and would have a hard choosing a favorite, or even three. They are all beautiful in their own diverse ways. How can you compare Acadia with Yosemite? Arches with Olympic?

[AZGrizFan]

Very true. I've been lucky enough to visit a great many National Parks and would have a hard choosing a favorite, or even three. They are all beautiful in their own diverse ways. How can you compare Acadia with Yosemite? Arches with Olympic?

I would agree with this statement....NP's all are unique in their own way. Glacier for it alpine lakes and stunning Alps-like mountains, Yosemite for the awesome power of it's waterfalls, Sequoia for it's ****ed up ROAD, Yellowstone for it's abundant wildlife, Zion, Arches, Everglades, Grand Canyon, etc., etc., etc.

Anyone else have the NP Passport? The GrizFan family has one, and we make it a point to visit ANY NP that's near our vacation spots.... xnodx xnodx xnodx

[AshevilleApp2]

I would agree with this statement....NP's all are unique in their own way. Glacier for it alpine lakes and stunning Alps-like mountains, Yosemite for the awesome power of it's waterfalls, Sequoia for it's ****ed up ROAD, Yellowstone for it's abundant wildlife, Zion, Arches, Everglades, Grand Canyon, etc., etc., etc.

Anyone else have the NP Passport? The GrizFan family has one, and we make it a point to visit ANY NP that's near our vacation spots.... xnodx xnodx xnodx

I had it back in 2000 when it only cost $50 for the year. I probably got $250 worth of entrance fees out of it.

[AZGrizFan]

I had it back in 2000 when it only cost $50 for the year. I probably got $250 worth of entrance fees out of it.

Actually, that's a DIFFERENT NP Passport, but we have that one too...

I'm talking about the passport that actually LOOKS like a passport, and you go to the ranger stations at each of the parks and they have stamps, just like countries, that you can stamp your passport with. It's a pretty cool little keepsake...

[AshevilleApp2]

Actually, that's a DIFFERENT NP Passport, but we have that one too...

I'm talking about the passport that actually LOOKS like a passport, and you go to the ranger stations at each of the parks and they have stamps, just like countries, that you can stamp your passport with. It's a pretty cool little keepsake...

I didn't know about that one. Guess I need to hit the road again.

[elcid96]

Ok. Lets see here. Their record attendance is 24K. Last year they had 7 home games or a record of 168K (It was less than this, but we will assume the best case for now). That means that in order for them to make 3.3M, they would have had to sell the tickets for $20.00. Seems possible to me. Congrats on a great season.

[I-AA Fan]

51. University of Montana $3,381,935


Are we to beleive that you charge $26 a ticket, as that is what you would need to fill your stadium to capacity for 6 home games and arrive at this figure. Or is this more than just football? Or is it a lie?

[putter]

51. University of Montana $3,381,935


Are we to beleive that you charge $26 a ticket, as that is what you would need to fill your stadium to capacity for 6 home games and arrive at this figure. Or is this more than just football? Or is it a lie?

Yes.

OOC games - $25/game
Homecoming - $40/game
Griz/Cat (when in Missoula) $45

[SoCon48]

Having lived and played in both Montana and NC. They are both stunningly beautiful. More visitors in a NP doesn't make it better. If you count non-motorized traffic I'd say Smokey Mtn and Glacier are close. The mountain biking is stellar here in NC while the trout are hands down better in Montana. Skiing too.

More visitors in a NP doesn't make it better

Nope, but millions visit Grt Smokey for some reason and the conversation started over things competing with football attendance.

People's opinions on football message boards do make them better though??;)

[SoCon48]

While I agree with you that the Smokies and Parkway are beautiful, other factors can inflate attendance numbers. One advantage our parks have is relative proximity to more people. The Smokies are an easy half day to day drive from the majority of the population of the country.

As far as the Parkway, in the Asheville area stretches of the road are used by commuters looking to avoid red lights. I did myself twice over the weekend. There's six or seven ways to access the Parkway in the Boone area. I used to be out there four or five times a week when I lived up there. These all add to higher attendance figures.

As far as the Parkway, in the Asheville area stretches of the road are used by commuters looking to avoid red lights
One thing is for sure, people sure as H won't stay on the parkway long if getting somewhere in a hurry is the object..at 45 mph following Floridians.
Been there, done that.

[Ronbo]

51. University of Montana $3,381,935


Are we to beleive that you charge $26 a ticket, as that is what you would need to fill your stadium to capacity for 6 home games and arrive at this figure. Or is this more than just football? Or is it a lie?

Season tickets were $195 for seven games in 2007 across the board. No discounts for families, children, or end zone seating, or any other reason. If you wanted one of the 17,500 season tickets you paid $195.

$195 x 17,500 = $3,412,500 or $27.87 a game.

And the lady that's the head of ticket sales at the University tells me there is still a 700 person waiting list for season tickets even after the expansion which takes our season tickets to 18,750 or so. Something in that neighborhood.

[Bison77]

Season tickets were $195 for seven games in 2007 across the board. No discounts for families, children, or end zone seating, or any other reason. If you wanted one of the 17,500 season tickets you paid $195.

$195 x 17,500 = $3,412,500 or $27.87 a game.

And the lady that's the head of ticket sales at the University tells me there is still a 700 person waiting list for season tickets even after the expansion which takes our season tickets to 18,750 or so. Something in that neighborhood.

No additional amount for priority seating? Endzone seats same as 50 yard line?

[Ronbo]

No additional amount for priority seating? Endzone seats same as 50 yard line?

Oh yeah. You need a season ticket for every seat in the house ($195) then to sit between the 45 to 50 $407 additional a seat, the 30 to 45 $250 additional a seat to the Grizzly Scholarship Assn. To sit between the 20 and 30 an additional $112.50 a seat to the GSA. The 48 luxury boxes are $12,000 to $25,000 a year depending on size and location.

http://www.go-synthetic.com/stadium.jpg

[89Hen]

Wouldn't it just make more sense for "ticket sales comparison" to just use the NCAA figures from last year?

Appalachian State = 217,968
Montana = 182,396
Delaware = 150,573
Yale = 113,964
GSU = 113,551
YSU = 113,045
UNI = 112,824
Norfolk = 103,320

[Ronbo]

Well when you charge $15 a seat, $90 bucks for a season ticket, or you let in 10,000 students free then maybe the dollar amount is a better comparison for ticket SALES comparison.

Now the figures above could be titled attendance comparison.

[AppAlum2003]

Well when you charge $15 a seat, $90 bucks for a season ticket, or you let in 10,000 students free then maybe the dollar amount is a better comparison for ticket SALES comparison.

Now the figures above could be titled attendance comparison.

So we should call this thread:

"Who can gauge their fanbase the most?"

[Skjellyfetti]

Well when you charge $15 a seat, $90 bucks for a season ticket, or you let in 10,000 students free then maybe the dollar amount is a better comparison for ticket SALES comparison.

Now the figures above could be titled attendance comparison.

And the figures you posted are from the 2004 season.

[Ronbo]

And the figures you posted are from the 2004 season.

I know we raised the seaon tickets from $23 a seat in 2004 to $28 a seat in 2007. So the $3.3 million is an old figure. In the June 2006-June 2007 period the Montana football program had a gross of $7,466,499.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp

[89Hen]

Well when you charge $15 a seat, $90 bucks for a season ticket, or you let in 10,000 students free then maybe the dollar amount is a better comparison for ticket SALES comparison.

Now the figures above could be titled attendance comparison.
OK, but the problem with your figures is they don't include everyone. xpeacex

[Saint3333]

Well when you charge $15 a seat, $90 bucks for a season ticket, or you let in 10,000 students free then maybe the dollar amount is a better comparison for ticket SALES comparison.

Now the figures above could be titled attendance comparison.

Your figures obviously are wrong for ASU though.

[Ronbo]

I just posted that IndyStar list because it seems to be the only one out there and I thought it interesting we were neck and neck with Washington State..

You can go to Equity in Athletics to get your income and expense figures from June 2006-June 2007. Still old.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp

[Ronbo]

The above link includes all revenue streams including FBS guarantees so it doesn't reflect gate very well. The IndyStar figures seem to be the only ones out there that is dedicated to gate receipts.

[Green26]

There's a big difference between Ticket Sales and Attendance. There's no reason to use Attendance figures, as cited by Hen, when the discussion at hand is about Ticket Sales and Revenue.

Obviously, Ticket Sales/Revenue includes only tickets that were sold--as opposed to tickets given to students, staff and others who may receive free tickets. Obviously, tickets Sales/Revenue also depends on the price of the tickets.

I wonder if the Sales figures provided by Ronbo, from the newspaper compilation, were for the '06 or '05 seasons--when Montana had only 6 regular season home games and ticket prices were a bit lower. In addition, I wonder how Montana reports "revenue" on its north endzone addition seats, which are pledged to pay off the related debt. I also note that there is some revenue from playoff games, although not a huge amount. I don't know how/if this shows up the reported figures.

I believe Montana has about 6,000 - 7,000 tickets that are non-revenue tickets. They go to students, staff and others (like businesses with whom the athletic dept has relationships with).

Another revenue comparison can be obtained from the Equity in Athletics website. I've never been able to figure out how these figures are reported, and some schools seem to report them differently. Nevertheless, for the year ended 6/30/07 (and thus for the '06 football season), here are some figures. Football revenue is first, and football expenses are second.

Montana - $7.466 million; $4.979 million
Delaware - 5.532; 4.020
App St - 4.454; 1.968

These revenue figures presumably include game guarantees, business arrangements, other fees paid by ticketholders, perhaps donations, food/beverage sales, sales of sportswear,etc.

Montana's athletic dept does not get the bulk of food/beverage sales or sales of Grizwear.

[SoCon48]

There's a big difference between Ticket Sales and Attendance. There's no reason to use Attendance figures, as cited by Hen, when the discussion at hand is about Ticket Sales and Revenue.

Obviously, Ticket Sales/Revenue includes only tickets that were sold--as opposed to tickets given to students, staff and others who may receive free tickets. Obviously, tickets Sales/Revenue also depends on the price of the tickets.

I wonder if the Sales figures provided by Ronbo, from the newspaper compilation, were for the '06 or '05 seasons--when Montana had only 6 regular season home games and ticket prices were a bit lower. In addition, I wonder how Montana reports "revenue" on its north endzone addition seats, which are pledged to pay off the related debt. I also note that there is some revenue from playoff games, although not a huge amount. I don't know how/if this shows up the reported figures.

I believe Montana has about 6,000 - 7,000 tickets that are non-revenue tickets. They go to students, staff and others (like businesses with whom the athletic dept has relationships with).

Another revenue comparison can be obtained from the Equity in Athletics website. I've never been able to figure out how these figures are reported, and some schools seem to report them differently. Nevertheless, for the year ended 6/30/07 (and thus for the '06 football season), here are some figures. Football revenue is first, and football expenses are second.

Montana - $7.466 million; $4.979 million
Delaware - 5.532; 4.020
App St - 4.454; 1.968

These revenue figures presumably include game guarantees, business arrangements, other fees paid by ticketholders, perhaps donations, food/beverage sales, sales of sportswear,etc.

Montana's athletic dept does not get the bulk of food/beverage sales or sales of Grizwear.

Does the Montana expense number include the payout for backing out on home and home deals?

[Ronbo]

Yeah, sure does.

$500,000 in the plus column.
$50,000 in the minus column.

[Green26]

Yes, Montana's expenses include the two $50,000 buyout payments for getting out of contracts with two I-AA schools. These were both done to resolve our $1 million budget deficit. Paying the two buyouts so that additional home games could be played each of those years resulted in about a $500,000 net gain to the athletic department. I believe these are the only two I-AA buyouts in Montana history.

If you're going to ask anymore offtopic and irrelevant questions, then I'm going to ask you why the Sagarin ratings ranked the Big Sky conference ahead of the SoCon every year from 1999 - 2006. Yes, I know the SoCon was ranked no. 1 in 2007.

[89Hen]

There's a big difference between Ticket Sales and Attendance. There's no reason to use Attendance figures, as cited by Hen, when the discussion at hand is about Ticket Sales and Revenue.
There's less reason to use numbers that don't include half the teams in the top 10. xcoffeex

[Green26]

Hen:

The top 10 of what? Ticket sales? Attendance? The polls?

List the "half" of the top 10 that aren't included.

Ronbo has used the best publicly available numbers for Ticket Sales. If you have better numbers, provide them.

[Grizzaholic]

Does the Montana expense number include the payout for backing out on home and home deals?

Can we drop it already, or was it a serious question?

[89Hen]

Hen:

The top 10 of what? Ticket sales? Attendance? The polls?

List the "half" of the top 10 that aren't included.
I'm saying teams like Delaware and Yale who were in the top 4 in total attendance would have to be in the top 25, or however many were in the list Ronbo posted. I know that UD doesn't give away many tix (about 3k per game for students). Half was an exaggeration.

[Ronbo]

Here is the complete list from #40 on down. I think only Public Schools are included because they have transparency and their records are Public Domain. I assume the schools not included refuse to make their figures public record.

Schools ranked by football ticket sales

40. University of Louisville $5,291,501

41. University of Connecticut $5,034,764

42. Mississippi State University $4,845,724

43. Fresno State $4,505,103

44. Oregon State University $4,373,709

45. University of Maryland $4,355,874

46. University of Hawaii $4,347,214

47. University of Arizona $4,316,520

48. University of Kansas $4,240,070

49. University of Utah $4,074,296

50. Washington State University $3,388,719

51. University of Montana $3,381,935

52. Boise State University $2,933,633

53. Indiana University $2,670,141

54. University of South Florida $2,528,540

55. University of Memphis $2,395,837

56. East Carolina University $2,067,688

57. Colorado State University $1,976,598

58. University of Texas-El Paso $1,969,639

59. Rutgers $1,915,963

60. San Diego State University $1,726,374

61. University of New Mexico $1,710,537

62. Marshall University $1,551,690

63. University of Wyoming $1,388,970

64. University of Southern Mississippi $1,375,554

65. University of Nevada $1,283,339

66. University of Nevada-Las Vegas $1,146,380

67. University of Central Florida $1,145,224

68. University of Cincinnati $1,082,821

69. Toledo University $923,156

70. Montana State University $870,734

71. University of Houston $819,500

72. University of Alabama-Birmingham $592,559

73. Troy State University $579,516

74. Miami University (Ohio) $565,722

75. Louisiana Tech University $552,527

76. Bowling Green State University $511,799

77. College of William & Mary $496,279

78. University at Buffalo $487,042

79. New Mexico State University $473,188

80. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff $469,612

81. Georgia Southern University $460,564

82. University of Louisiana-Lafayette $427,346

83. Youngstown State University $424,579

84. Appalachian State University $404,216

85. Utah State University $376,774

86. Southern Illinois University $373,087

87. The Citadel $370,818

88. San Jose State University $358,833

89. James Madison University $354,297

90. Central Michigan University $354,242

91. Coastal Carolina University $319,042

92. Ohio University $316,001

93. University of Northern Iowa $301,391

94. University of North Texas $299,515

95. Norfolk State University $271,050

96. Florida Atlantic University $270,722

97. University of Louisiana-Monroe $242,006

98. Ball State University $206,238

99. Eastern Kentucky University $204,034

100. Illinois State University $202,891

101. Stephen F. Austin State University $201,923

102. Northwestern State University $198,802

103. Western Carolina University $184,577

104. University of Massachusetts $173,611

105. Idaho State University $167,432

106. Murray State University $166,112

107. University of Akron $154,312

108. Western Kentucky University $147,695

109. Missouri State University $143,843

110. California Poly State University $137,734

111. University of Maine $135,300

112. Eastern Michigan University $130,374

113. Eastern Washington University $124,527

114. University of Idaho $123,308

115. Kent State University $122,749

116. Sam Houston State University $120,171

117. Western Illinois University $119,357

118. Florida International University $112,288

119. Texas State University-San Marcos $110,807

120. Northern Arizona University $107,455

121. University of Rhode Island $81,880

122. University of New Hampshire $75,384

123. Jacksonville State University $74,701

124. Southeast Missouri State University $71,265

125. Nicholls State University $69,002

126. Eastern Illinois University $66,610

127. Towson State University $58,584

128. Sacramento State $38,787

129. Morehead State University $35,535

130. Indiana State University $34,022

131. Central Connecticut State University $14,357

132. University at Albany $12,750

[KiddBrewer]

montana football is.........big business

[Ronbo]

Doing some quick math on our new capacity and annual ticket price increases we should go about 4.5 million in 2008.

[93henfan]

One thing that makes Delaware's automatic 20K+ per game figure even more impressive is you have so much competition for the sporting dollar. I read someone say on here once that UD is the "only game in town". That might apply to Montana, but certainly not Delaware.

Within a 150 mile drive of Delaware Stadium, you have the Philadelphia Eagles, Phillies, Flyers and Sixers, the Baltimore Ravens and Orioles, the Washington Redskins, Nationals, Capitals, and Wizards, the New York Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets, Rangers, Knicks, and the New Jersey Devils and Nets.

So 18 big-time pro teams in a couple hours drive. This doesn't even count the many, many minor league baseball and hockey teams, tons of other CAA, A-10, Big East and ACC colleges in close vicinity, two NASCAR races in Dover, nice beaches, etc.

[grizband]

One thing that makes Delaware's automatic 20K+ per game figure even more impressive is you have so much competition for the sporting dollar. I read someone say on here once that UD is the "only game in town". That might apply to Montana, but certainly not Delaware.

Within a 150 mile drive of Delaware Stadium, you have the Philadelphia Eagles, Phillies, Flyers and Sixers, the Baltimore Ravens and Orioles, the Washington Redskins, Nationals, Capitals, and Wizards, the New York Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets, Rangers, Knicks, and the New Jersey Devils and Nets.

So 18 big-time pro teams in a couple hours drive. This doesn't even count the many, many minor league baseball and hockey teams, tons of other CAA, A-10, Big East and ACC colleges in close vicinity, two NASCAR races in Dover, nice beaches, etc.
True, but how many people live within 150 miles of Delaware? The population within 150 miles of Missoula is under 200,000, which to me makes it even more impressive that we fill the stadium each week.

[93henfan]

True, but how many people live within 150 miles of Delaware? The population within 150 miles of Missoula is under 200,000, which to me makes it even more impressive that we fill the stadium each week.

Valid point. To answer your question, probably 20 to 30 million within 150 miles of here!!! I know Philly TV market is ~5M as is Bal/DC. NYC has to be well over 10M, so there's 20M at least.

[appfan2008]

Valid point. To answer your question, probably 20 to 30 million within 150 miles of here!!! I know Philly TV market is ~5M as is Bal/DC. NYC has to be well over 10M, so there's 20M at least.

both of you have valid points... i am not sure honestly which one is more impressive

[93henfan]

both of you have valid points... i am not sure honestly which one is more impressive

I'll do you one better. App State has us both beat. To get 28K to walk five miles barefoot up a mountain half drunk on 'shine to watch a football game. That's impressive!

[813Jag]

Here is the complete list from #40 on down. I think only Public Schools are included because they have transparency and their records are Public Domain. I assume the schools not included refuse to make their figures public record.

Schools ranked by football ticket sales

40. University of Louisville $5,291,501

41. University of Connecticut $5,034,764

42. Mississippi State University $4,845,724

43. Fresno State $4,505,103

44. Oregon State University $4,373,709

45. University of Maryland $4,355,874

46. University of Hawaii $4,347,214

47. University of Arizona $4,316,520

48. University of Kansas $4,240,070

49. University of Utah $4,074,296

50. Washington State University $3,388,719

51. University of Montana $3,381,935

52. Boise State University $2,933,633

53. Indiana University $2,670,141

54. University of South Florida $2,528,540

55. University of Memphis $2,395,837

56. East Carolina University $2,067,688

57. Colorado State University $1,976,598

58. University of Texas-El Paso $1,969,639

59. Rutgers $1,915,963

60. San Diego State University $1,726,374

61. University of New Mexico $1,710,537

62. Marshall University $1,551,690

63. University of Wyoming $1,388,970

64. University of Southern Mississippi $1,375,554

65. University of Nevada $1,283,339

66. University of Nevada-Las Vegas $1,146,380

67. University of Central Florida $1,145,224

68. University of Cincinnati $1,082,821

69. Toledo University $923,156

70. Montana State University $870,734

71. University of Houston $819,500

72. University of Alabama-Birmingham $592,559

73. Troy State University $579,516

74. Miami University (Ohio) $565,722

75. Louisiana Tech University $552,527

76. Bowling Green State University $511,799

77. College of William & Mary $496,279

78. University at Buffalo $487,042

79. New Mexico State University $473,188

80. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff $469,612

81. Georgia Southern University $460,564

82. University of Louisiana-Lafayette $427,346

83. Youngstown State University $424,579

84. Appalachian State University $404,216

85. Utah State University $376,774

86. Southern Illinois University $373,087

87. The Citadel $370,818

88. San Jose State University $358,833

89. James Madison University $354,297

90. Central Michigan University $354,242

91. Coastal Carolina University $319,042

92. Ohio University $316,001

93. University of Northern Iowa $301,391

94. University of North Texas $299,515

95. Norfolk State University $271,050

96. Florida Atlantic University $270,722

97. University of Louisiana-Monroe $242,006

98. Ball State University $206,238

99. Eastern Kentucky University $204,034

100. Illinois State University $202,891

101. Stephen F. Austin State University $201,923

102. Northwestern State University $198,802

103. Western Carolina University $184,577

104. University of Massachusetts $173,611

105. Idaho State University $167,432

106. Murray State University $166,112

107. University of Akron $154,312

108. Western Kentucky University $147,695

109. Missouri State University $143,843

110. California Poly State University $137,734

111. University of Maine $135,300

112. Eastern Michigan University $130,374

113. Eastern Washington University $124,527

114. University of Idaho $123,308

115. Kent State University $122,749

116. Sam Houston State University $120,171

117. Western Illinois University $119,357

118. Florida International University $112,288

119. Texas State University-San Marcos $110,807

120. Northern Arizona University $107,455

121. University of Rhode Island $81,880

122. University of New Hampshire $75,384

123. Jacksonville State University $74,701

124. Southeast Missouri State University $71,265

125. Nicholls State University $69,002

126. Eastern Illinois University $66,610

127. Towson State University $58,584

128. Sacramento State $38,787

129. Morehead State University $35,535

130. Indiana State University $34,022

131. Central Connecticut State University $14,357

132. University at Albany $12,750
#80 just continues to baffle me. xconfusedx

[Grizalltheway]

There is nothing else to do in Montana.

At least we manage to keep our hands off of our siblings. xthumbsupx

[grizband]

At least we manage to keep our hands off of our siblings. xthumbsupx
Yeah, its the sheep who are scared...xwhistlex

[Green26]

Yes, Delaware is presumably near the top in ticket sales each year.

Note that Yale had over half of its annual attendance (111,964) at the Harvard game (57,248). Yale's attendance drops significantly in the years when the game is played at Harvard.

[SoCon48]

One thing that makes Delaware's automatic 20K+ per game figure even more impressive is you have so much competition for the sporting dollar. I read someone say on here once that UD is the "only game in town". That might apply to Montana, but certainly not Delaware.

Within a 150 mile drive of Delaware Stadium, you have the Philadelphia Eagles, Phillies, Flyers and Sixers, the Baltimore Ravens and Orioles, the Washington Redskins, Nationals, Capitals, and Wizards, the New York Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets, Rangers, Knicks, and the New Jersey Devils and Nets.

So 18 big-time pro teams in a couple hours drive. This doesn't even count the many, many minor league baseball and hockey teams, tons of other CAA, A-10, Big East and ACC colleges in close vicinity, two NASCAR races in Dover, nice beaches, etc.

But mainly the flagship university of the state. Most flagship universities draw in the 50-100,000 range. Too, most of us FCS programs are competing with the flagship schools not being one.xeyebrowx

[SoCon48]

I'll do you one better. App State has us both beat. To get 28K to walk five miles barefoot up a mountain half drunk on 'shine to watch a football game. That's impressive!

Not the smack board.

How did it feel to have gotten a mudhole stomped in yer azzes by a bunch of barefoot half drunk shine drinkin' mountain folk?xeyebrowx

[uofmman1122]

Not the smack board.

How did it feel to have gotten a mudhole stomped in yer azzes by a bunch of barefoot half drunk shine drinkin' mountain folk?xeyebrowxWell, his was just a clever joke, whereas your's is out-right smack.

Also, lighten up. xnodx

[93henfan]

Not the smack board.

How did it feel to have gotten a mudhole stomped in yer azzes by a bunch of barefoot half drunk shine drinkin' mountain folk?xeyebrowx

Wow. I was trying to pay a backhanded compliment to the large crowds that have attended ASU games in the past couple of years. Sorry.

[SoCon48]

Well, his was just a clever joke, whereas your's is out-right smack.

Also, lighten up. xnodx

Not clever but equal. One called our fans drunken barefoot hillbillies. The other just pointed out that those same mountain people stomped Del.

[SoCon48]

Wow. I was trying to pay a backhanded compliment to the large crowds that have attended ASU games in the past couple of years. Sorry.

True. Very backhanded and insulting.xrolleyesx

[Bison101]

There is nothing else to do in Montana.

You sound like one of those "Montana Sucks" people in the smack thread.

Actually, I love MT. The mountains, the fresh air, Big Sky....

but Billings is just darn ugly!

[GOKATS]

You sound like one of those "Montana Sucks" people in the smack thread.

Actually, I love MT. The mountains, the fresh air, Big Sky....

but Billings is just darn ugly!

A good portion of us don't claim Billings.:D

[CatFan22]

Back off of Billings! Billings is a great city. It's not the prettiest place in winter but in summer I love Billings.

http://www.duderancherlodge.com/images/BillingsWeb.jpg
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=66831&rendTypeId=4

[Grizalltheway]

Back off of Billings! Billings is a great city. It's not the prettiest place in winter but in summer I love Billings.

http://www.duderancherlodge.com/images/BillingsWeb.jpg
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=66831&rendTypeId=4

Missoula in the summer beats Billings any day.

http://www.umt.edu/images/photolib/691_photo.jpg

http://www.umt.edu/images/photolib/421_photo.jpg

xnodx

[SoCon48]

Missoula in the summer beats Billings any day.

http://www.umt.edu/images/photolib/691_photo.jpg



xnodx

Pork barrel spending. An interstate with 5 cars on it??xeyebrowx

[McNeese_beat]

Greg,

I think someone said that the figures were from the 2004-2005 fiscal year. And something named Rita happened to us in the 2005 football season.

I couldn't figure out how ULL had more ticket sales than us, too, until I found out what year it was. If it is from that season than the figures are two seasons behind the times. :)

Doc
Doc,

According to the figures from the state of Louisiana, McNeese's football ticket sales for the fiscal year ending on June 30, 2005 were $764,440 (those numbers were down to $740k last year...a sign that post-Rita attendance declines have not recovered yet). That document is available here:
http://www.lla.state.la.us//lla/financialreports.htm#2005

By comparison:
LSU was at $18,965,088
La. Tech was at $552,527
UL-Lafayette was at $510,094
Southeastern was at $410,818
ULM was at $242,006
Northwestern St. was at $198,802
Nicholls State was at $69,002

There are no figures for Southern and Grambling. I'm not sure why. I'm assuming there is a different system for accountability used for them other than the legislative audit because they are the only two state universities exempted from the audit (they do seem to do all the other audits the other schools do).

[CrunchGriz]

Pork barrel spending. An interstate with 5 cars on it??xeyebrowx

Research the history of the Interstate Highway system, and you'll find out that much of the justification for the spending for it initially was that it would be a good way to transport military personnel and materiel. Combine that fact with Montana's location (Northern defense against nuclear missiles coming in from the north [i.e., the USSR]), and you'll better understand why Montana has interstates--a whopping two of them.

By the way, that's the major U.S. north-tier east-west interstate in that picture, I-90. You can't go from Boston to Seattle via interstate without this highway, unless you want to go 400-500 miles out of your way.

Link:

Eisenhower Interstate Highway System (http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/dl/InterstateHighways/InterstateHighwaysdocuments.html)

[Grizalltheway]

Pork barrel spending. An interstate with 5 cars on it??xeyebrowx

The money spent on your education was pork barrel. xnodx xwhistlex

[AmsterBison]

I'm guessing that NDSU's ticket sales will come in at $1.5 million in 2008. Only having five home games kind of hurts. Plus, there's not much room for growth in that figure either since there's no feasible way to expand the FargoDome.

[SoCon48]

Research the history of the Interstate Highway system, and you'll find out that much of the justification for the spending for it initially was that it would be a good way to transport military personnel and materiel. Combine that fact with Montana's location (Northern defense against nuclear missiles coming in from the north [i.e., the USSR]), and you'll better understand why Montana has interstates--a whopping two of them.

By the way, that's the major U.S. north-tier east-west interstate in that picture, I-90. You can't go from Boston to Seattle via interstate without this highway, unless you want to go 400-500 miles out of your way.
Link:

Eisenhower Interstate Highway System (http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/dl/InterstateHighways/InterstateHighwaysdocuments.html)

By the way, that's the major U.S. north-tier east-west interstate in that picture, I-90. You can't go from Boston to Seattle via interstate without this highway, unless you want to go 400-500 miles out of your way.

I'll remember that if I find myself driving from Boston to Seattle.

Concerning research about the I system, you'll also note that one of the primary purposes of the system was to develop a way of evacuating the urban areas in times of emergencies. Now for that, I see a reason. Montana would be a great place to evacuate the people to.

[SoCon48]

The money spent on your education was pork barrel. xnodx xwhistlex

Maybe, but it worked. Yours was just a plain waste of your parents' and taxpayer money.
xlolx xlolx

[nmatsen]

UNI has sold a million tickets to their football games.

[McNeese_beat]

All ticket sales figures here.
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show_field_rank


Here is the bottom of the top 100 which includes quite a few FCS schools.

50. Washington State University $3,388,719

51. University of Montana $3,381,935

52. Boise State University $2,933,633

53. Indiana University $2,670,141

54. University of South Florida $2,528,540

55. University of Memphis $2,395,837

56. East Carolina University $2,067,688

57. Colorado State University $1,976,598

58. University of Texas-El Paso $1,969,639

59. Rutgers $1,915,963

60. San Diego State University $1,726,374

61. University of New Mexico $1,710,537

62. Marshall University $1,551,690

63. University of Wyoming $1,388,970

64. University of Southern Mississippi $1,375,554

65. University of Nevada $1,283,339

66. University of Nevada-Las Vegas $1,146,380

67. University of Central Florida $1,145,224

68. University of Cincinnati $1,082,821

69. Toledo University $923,156

70. Montana State University $870,734

71. University of Houston $819,500

72. University of Alabama-Birmingham $592,559

73. Troy State University $579,516

74. Miami University (Ohio) $565,722

75. Louisiana Tech University $552,527

76. Bowling Green State University $511,799

77. College of William & Mary $496,279

78. University at Buffalo $487,042

79. New Mexico State University $473,188

80. University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff $469,612

81. Georgia Southern University $460,564

82. University of Louisiana-Lafayette $427,346

83. Youngstown State University $424,579

84. Appalachian State University $404,216

85. Utah State University $376,774

86. Southern Illinois University $373,087

87. The Citadel $370,818

88. San Jose State University $358,833

89. James Madison University $354,297

90. Central Michigan University $354,242

91. Coastal Carolina University $319,042

92. Ohio University $316,001

93. University of Northern Iowa $301,391

94. University of North Texas $299,515

95. Norfolk State University $271,050

96. Florida Atlantic University $270,722

97. University of Louisiana-Monroe $242,006

98. Ball State University $206,238

99. Eastern Kentucky University $204,034

100. Illinois State University $202,891

According to Louisiana's legislative audit, McNeese was at $764,440 that year, which would put them at No. 72, just beind UH and just ahead of UAB. That was the 4-7 2004 season, so it was far from their best year of ticket sales.