More "Chips" Falling the Flyers' Way!!

[DetroitFlyer]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

11 SOUTHERN (AA)= 59.20 58.66 ( 13) 8
12 GATEWAY (AA)= 59.16 57.14 ( 14) 7
13 COLONIAL (AA)= 59.03 58.77 ( 12) 12
16 GREAT WEST (AA)= 55.44 56.01 ( 16) 5
17 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 47.79 47.96 ( 17) 8
18 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 44.59 42.98 ( 20) 7
19 BIG SKY (AA)= 44.32 44.74 ( 18) 9
20 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 42.62 43.42 ( 19) 8
21 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 40.92 40.70 ( 21) 5
22 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 39.17 38.95 ( 22) 10
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.92 38.30 ( 23) 10
24 PIONEER (AA)= 37.33 36.93 ( 24) 8
25 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 36.52 36.88 ( 25) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 30.46 30.20 ( 27) 4
27 NORTHEAST (AA)= 29.47 30.28 ( 26) 7
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 20.56 19.10 ( 28) 4

In looking at Sagarin's latest rankings, I found it VERY interesting that the PFL has for the first time ever, ( at least as far as I know ), passed up an autobid conference!!!!! The PFL is also very favorably ranked as compared to the SWAC and MEAC!

So another "chip" falls into place.... The Flyers have a win over AQ Fordham, and now the PFL is actually ranked above the AQ, OVC!!!!!

I'm tellin ya.... I just have a feeling that this is the year for the Dayton Flyers to make the FCS playoffs!!!!!xthumbsupx

[UNHWildCats]

aint happening.

[mcveyrl]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

11 SOUTHERN (AA)= 59.20 58.66 ( 13) 8
12 GATEWAY (AA)= 59.16 57.14 ( 14) 7
13 COLONIAL (AA)= 59.03 58.77 ( 12) 12
16 GREAT WEST (AA)= 55.44 56.01 ( 16) 5
17 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 47.79 47.96 ( 17) 8
18 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 44.59 42.98 ( 20) 7
19 BIG SKY (AA)= 44.32 44.74 ( 18) 9
20 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 42.62 43.42 ( 19) 8
21 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 40.92 40.70 ( 21) 5
22 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 39.17 38.95 ( 22) 10
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.92 38.30 ( 23) 10
24 PIONEER (AA)= 37.33 36.93 ( 24) 8
25 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 36.52 36.88 ( 25) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 30.46 30.20 ( 27) 4
27 NORTHEAST (AA)= 29.47 30.28 ( 26) 7
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 20.56 19.10 ( 28) 4

In looking at Sagarin's latest rankings, I found it VERY interesting that the PFL has for the first time ever, ( at least as far as I know ), passed up an autobid conference!!!!! The PFL is also very favorably ranked as compared to the SWAC and MEAC!

So another "chip" falls into place.... The Flyers have a win over AQ Fordham, and now the PFL is actually ranked above the AQ, OVC!!!!!

I'm tellin ya.... I just have a feeling that this is the year for the Dayton Flyers to make the FCS playoffs!!!!!xthumbsupx

I understand that I am just inviting trouble here, but do you have a comparison of San Diego's credentials last year compared to Dayton's this year?

[danefan]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

11 SOUTHERN (AA)= 59.20 58.66 ( 13) 8
12 GATEWAY (AA)= 59.16 57.14 ( 14) 7
13 COLONIAL (AA)= 59.03 58.77 ( 12) 12
16 GREAT WEST (AA)= 55.44 56.01 ( 16) 5
17 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 47.79 47.96 ( 17) 8
18 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 44.59 42.98 ( 20) 7
19 BIG SKY (AA)= 44.32 44.74 ( 18) 9
20 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 42.62 43.42 ( 19) 8
21 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 40.92 40.70 ( 21) 5
22 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 39.17 38.95 ( 22) 10
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.92 38.30 ( 23) 10
24 PIONEER (AA)= 37.33 36.93 ( 24) 8
25 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 36.52 36.88 ( 25) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 30.46 30.20 ( 27) 4
27 NORTHEAST (AA)= 29.47 30.28 ( 26) 7
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 20.56 19.10 ( 28) 4

In looking at Sagarin's latest rankings, I found it VERY interesting that the PFL has for the first time ever, ( at least as far as I know ), passed up an autobid conference!!!!! The PFL is also very favorably ranked as compared to the SWAC and MEAC!

So another "chip" falls into place.... The Flyers have a win over AQ Fordham, and now the PFL is actually ranked above the AQ, OVC!!!!!

I'm tellin ya.... I just have a feeling that this is the year for the Dayton Flyers to make the FCS playoffs!!!!!xthumbsupx

I was waiting for it!. I posted it in the Sagarin thread, but everyone conveniently "ignored" it.xsmiley_wix

[DetroitFlyer]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=/cfoot2/news/AGN4112380.htm

And just in case you missed it, TSN honered the Flyers' QB, Kevin Hoyng:

OFFENSIVE PLAYERS OF THE WEEK

Kevin Hoyng, Dayton, Senior, Quarterback, 6-0, 192, Coldwater, Ohio

Hoyng led Dayton back from a second-half deficit on the road to a 34-27 victory over Drake in a game that clinched a share of the Pioneer Football League title and a berth in the Gridiron Classic for the Flyers. Hoyng completed 33- of-43 passes for 360 yards and four touchdowns. He added 93 yards on 22 carries to end the game with 453 yards of total offense. In the decisive fourth quarter, Hoyng was 8-of-9 passing for 59 yards, including a perfect 7- of-7 on Dayton's final touchdown drive. Hoyng finished the regular season with 28 TD passes, matching the total of his first three seasons combined.

Kevin Hoyng is a classic, FCS sleeper.... He has been going about this business this year and improving each week. He is currently a leader is virtually all FCS QB stats. but many folks have never heard of him! It has been said that some committee members might want to see USD's Josh Johnson have the opportunity to showcase his talents in the playoffs, well I'll tell you what, it would also be a show if Kevin Hoyng could showcase his talents in the playoffs!

I have a feeling that Kevin would have a good day playing indoors, say maybe somewhere in Iowa....

[89Hen]

In looking at Sagarin's latest rankings...
Sagarin is pretty poor for anything below I-A. Not sure if you really want to really use Sagain anyway, Dayton is the 22nd playoff eligible I-AA team on his list.

[danefan]

I honestly think the Flyers are good enough to contend in the playoffs. What will keep you guys out is the two sub DI games. If you guys had played two crappy ivy or PL teams you would have been in at 10-1, with an all FCS schedule and probably in the playoffs because of the number of teams at 7-4.

Seriously, why wouldn't your AD replace the Urbana and Central games with Georgetown and Cornell, or something like that?

[89Hen]

I understand that I am just inviting trouble here, but do you have a comparison of San Diego's credentials last year compared to Dayton's this year?
It would appear that DF was wrong in saying this was the first time the PFL was ranked higher than an autobid conference (at least in Sagarin)...

14 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 56.48 56.97 ( 14) 12
16 BIG SKY (AA)= 53.48 53.39 ( 16) 9
19 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 43.34 42.96 ( 20) 5
15 GATEWAY (AA)= 55.15 54.19 ( 15) 8
11 GREAT WEST (AA)= 60.82 60.24 ( 12) 5
18 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 48.21 48.50 ( 18) 8
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 19.03 19.84 ( 28) 5
24 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 37.92 37.21 ( 24) 9
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 33.36 32.92 ( 25) 8
22 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 41.11 40.82 ( 22) 9
21 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 41.92 41.30 ( 21) 7
27 PIONEER (AA)= 27.90 29.69 ( 27) 8
17 SOUTHERN (AA)= 49.59 50.71 ( 17) 8
20 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 43.30 43.20 ( 19) 7
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.41 38.24 ( 23) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 31.46 32.18 ( 26) 4

Prior to the playoff selections, USD was 10-0 and the #10 I-AA according to Sagarin.

That hurts DF's arguement. xtwocentsx

[DetroitFlyer]

I understand that I am just inviting trouble here, but do you have a comparison of San Diego's credentials last year compared to Dayton's this year?

Here is the deal.... USD blazed the trail last year. Prior to 2006, NO PFL TEAM HAD EVER BEEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED FOR THE FCS PLAYOFFS! ( Including Dayton's 11-0, ranked, 1996 team. )

Fast forward to 2007.... The PFL has turned out to be a pretty darn good FCS football conference, and more people know about it. USD will finish at 10-1, 9-1 FCS with wins over full scholarship teams Northern Colorado and UC Davis. Dayton will also be 10-1, 8-1 FCS, with wins over AQ Fordham and San Diego. Truth be told, both PFL teams could make a good argument for inclusion this year....

USD was absolutely snubbed last year, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the committee invites Dayton and allows USD to win the Gridiron Classic for the PFL this year.... Credentials are important, but as I pointed out in another thread, the human polls have not been voting USD and Dayton as high as USD was last year. Why? Well, it is the Ivy League effect.... I can vote Yale #1 if I want to because no one will ever know if it is true or not.... Virtually no risk for a human pollster to make that call. Prior to 2006, the same was true for the PFL. You could vote a PFL team high because we all know that they are not going to get a bid.... Well, USD upset the applecart by getting "serious" consideration. Now, the "Old Guard" that vote in the human polls are not voting the PFL teams as high....

Still, as I said, the chips have been falling the Flyers way.... Do not be surprised to see the Flyers going to play indoors, while the Danes head out to the west coast for a nice, warm weather game....

[danefan]

It would appear that DF was wrong in saying this was the first time the PFL was ranked higher than an autobid conference (at least in Sagarin)...

14 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 56.48 56.97 ( 14) 12
16 BIG SKY (AA)= 53.48 53.39 ( 16) 9
19 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 43.34 42.96 ( 20) 5
15 GATEWAY (AA)= 55.15 54.19 ( 15) 8
11 GREAT WEST (AA)= 60.82 60.24 ( 12) 5
18 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 48.21 48.50 ( 18) 8
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 19.03 19.84 ( 28) 5
24 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 37.92 37.21 ( 24) 9
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 33.36 32.92 ( 25) 8
22 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 41.11 40.82 ( 22) 9
21 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 41.92 41.30 ( 21) 7
27 PIONEER (AA)= 27.90 29.69 ( 27) 8
17 SOUTHERN (AA)= 49.59 50.71 ( 17) 8
20 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 43.30 43.20 ( 19) 7
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.41 38.24 ( 23) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 31.46 32.18 ( 26) 4

Prior to the playoff selections, USD was 10-0 and the #10 I-AA according to Sagarin.

That hurts DF's arguement. xtwocentsx

That's in alphabetical order. Southland was higher at 20, PFL is at 27.xpeacex

[DetroitFlyer]

It would appear that DF was wrong in saying this was the first time the PFL was ranked higher than an autobid conference (at least in Sagarin)...

14 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 56.48 56.97 ( 14) 12
16 BIG SKY (AA)= 53.48 53.39 ( 16) 9
19 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 43.34 42.96 ( 20) 5
15 GATEWAY (AA)= 55.15 54.19 ( 15) 8
11 GREAT WEST (AA)= 60.82 60.24 ( 12) 5
18 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 48.21 48.50 ( 18) 8
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 19.03 19.84 ( 28) 5
24 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 37.92 37.21 ( 24) 9
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 33.36 32.92 ( 25) 8
22 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 41.11 40.82 ( 22) 9
21 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 41.92 41.30 ( 21) 7
27 PIONEER (AA)= 27.90 29.69 ( 27) 8
17 SOUTHERN (AA)= 49.59 50.71 ( 17) 8
20 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 43.30 43.20 ( 19) 7
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.41 38.24 ( 23) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 31.46 32.18 ( 26) 4

Prior to the playoff selections, USD was 10-0 and the #10 I-AA according to Sagarin.

That hurts DF's arguement. xtwocentsx

Actually, it probably helps a bit.... It goes back to the "snub factor". The committee has on occasion, "rewarded" teams that have been previously snubbed with a bid.... If Dayton had not defeated USD this year, I would be almost certain that USD would be going to the playoffs.... Still, the committee could "reward" USD by inviting UD and allowing USD to host the Gridiron Classic....

Look, I am not saying it is a done deal, but the chips they are a fallin!!!!!

[mcveyrl]

Here is the deal.... USD blazed the trail last year. Prior to 2006, NO PFL TEAM HAD EVER BEEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED FOR THE FCS PLAYOFFS! ( Including Dayton's 11-0, ranked, 1996 team. )

Fast forward to 2007.... The PFL has turned out to be a pretty darn good FCS football conference, and more people know about it. USD will finish at 10-1, 9-1 FCS with wins over full scholarship teams Northern Colorado and UC Davis. Dayton will also be 10-1, 8-1 FCS, with wins over AQ Fordham and San Diego. Truth be told, both PFL teams could make a good argument for inclusion this year....

USD was absolutely snubbed last year, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the committee invites Dayton and allows USD to win the Gridiron Classic for the PFL this year.... Credentials are important, but as I pointed out in another thread, the human polls have not been voting USD and Dayton as high as USD was last year. Why? Well, it is the Ivy League effect.... I can vote Yale #1 if I want to because no one will ever know if it is true or not.... Virtually no risk for a human pollster to make that call. Prior to 2006, the same was true for the PFL. You could vote a PFL team high because we all know that they are not going to get a bid.... Well, USD upset the applecart by getting "serious" consideration. Now, the "Old Guard" that vote in the human polls are not voting the PFL teams as high....

Still, as I said, the chips have been falling the Flyers way.... Do not be surprised to see the Flyers going to play indoors, while the Danes head out to the west coast for a nice, warm weather game....


That didn't really answer my question, so I'm assuming USD had better credentials (at least that's what I'm gathering from your conspiracy theory on the polls).

How about a comparison of schedule strength, wins, losses, etc. I would like to see that, but I'm too lazy to do it, and you appear to have a lot of energy about this (which, by the way, I'm not knocking, you're a great PFL/Dayton fan).

[DetroitFlyer]

It would appear that DF was wrong in saying this was the first time the PFL was ranked higher than an autobid conference (at least in Sagarin)...

14 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 56.48 56.97 ( 14) 12
16 BIG SKY (AA)= 53.48 53.39 ( 16) 9
19 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 43.34 42.96 ( 20) 5
15 GATEWAY (AA)= 55.15 54.19 ( 15) 8
11 GREAT WEST (AA)= 60.82 60.24 ( 12) 5
18 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 48.21 48.50 ( 18) 8
28 METRO ATLANTIC (AA)= 19.03 19.84 ( 28) 5
24 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 37.92 37.21 ( 24) 9
25 NORTHEAST (AA)= 33.36 32.92 ( 25) 8
22 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 41.11 40.82 ( 22) 9
21 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 41.92 41.30 ( 21) 7
27 PIONEER (AA)= 27.90 29.69 ( 27) 8
17 SOUTHERN (AA)= 49.59 50.71 ( 17) 8
20 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 43.30 43.20 ( 19) 7
23 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 38.41 38.24 ( 23) 10
26 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 31.46 32.18 ( 26) 4

Prior to the playoff selections, USD was 10-0 and the #10 I-AA according to Sagarin.

That hurts DF's arguement. xtwocentsx

Wait a minute.... Am I seeing this right? The PFL was ranked #27. No autobid conference was ranked lower! Yeah, I am still right!!!!!:D

[danefan]

In my opinion its hard to tell whether Dayton or USD last year had a stronger argument. The difference is that a lot of weird things have happened this year that have opened at-large bids to the possibility of non-traditional teams. There could be a lot of 7-4 teams and good teams that may not make the 7 DI wins (namely GSU). That seems to have opened a legitimate possibility of a team from a different conference to get in.

[danefan]

no offense guys but is someone gets in from either of those "conferences" and THREE 7-4 Southern Conference teams with losses to the two Socon Playoff Teams, a FBS School, and each other..... sit home that's just wrong.

Hey, I agree with you. But the Committee may not.

I think a 7-4 UNH with a win over Marshall should get in before a 10-1 Dayton, 8-3 Albany or an 8-3 Colgate.

[89Hen]

Wait a minute.... Am I seeing this right? The PFL was ranked #27. No autobid conference was ranked lower! Yeah, I am still right!!!!!:D
xoopsx Alpha list... I'm just used to seeing the A10/CAA at the top. xsmiley_wix

My apologies DF. However, USD was ranked a lot higher last year than Dayton is this year by Sagarin.

[89Hen]

That's in alphabetical order. Southland was higher at 20, PFL is at 27.xpeacex
Where were you when I needed you five minutes ago before I hit 'submit'? xsmiley_wix

[DetroitFlyer]

That didn't really answer my question, so I'm assuming USD had better credentials (at least that's what I'm gathering from your conspiracy theory on the polls).

How about a comparison of schedule strength, wins, losses, etc. I would like to see that, but I'm too lazy to do it, and you appear to have a lot of energy about this (which, by the way, I'm not knocking, you're a great PFL/Dayton fan).

If I remember correctly, USD was 10-0 and ranked #13 in the GPI. Dayton is 10-1 and is currently #34 in the GPI. USD had a convincing win over Yale, Dayton has a win over playoff team Fordham.

So, if you want to use these "credentials", USD might look a bit better.... Still, USD did not have win over a playoff team, and the PFL was not ranked above an AQ conference last year....

For the 16th spot, there is usually more at work that just mere "numbers". If that was not the case, the GPI would ALWAYS be 100% accurate in predicting the field. As another thread here has detailed, the last spot, ( and maybe the last two or three spots ), can be in play in any given year....

It is all about "chips" baby, and the "chips" just might be falling the Flyers way this year....

[Franks Tanks]

Given all the teams that will finish with 4 losses most likley this year I am actually starting to think Dayton may get in. Typically a 9-2 or 8-3 Patriot team may snatch up the last bid, but even if Colgate finishes at 8-3 im not sure they have enough to make it in. Goven the fact that Dayton beat Fordham and Colgate lost to them - they may give Dayton a chance. I dont know if I am predicting a bid for Dayton, but at this point i wont be overly surprised.

[89Hen]

Sagarin is pretty poor for anything below I-A.
GPI
1. Southern Conference (22.80)
2. Colonial Athletic Association (23.43)
3. Gateway Football Conference (27.82)
4. Great West Football Conference (29.85)
5. Southland Conference (39.86)
6. Big Sky Conference (45.35)
7. Patriot League (49.48)
8. Ivy League (50.47)
9. Southwestern Athletic Conference (52.58)
10. Big South Conference (54.40)
11. Ohio Valley Conference (55.48)
12. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (56.28)
13. Pioneer Football League (64.11)
14. Independents (65.54)
15. Northeast Conference (68.32)
16. Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (77.19)

[danefan]

Where were you when I needed you five minutes ago before I hit 'submit'? xsmiley_wix

Hahaha. The only reason I saw it was because I do it every week. I see the NEC ranked above the Patriot League and then I realize its alphabetical.xsmhx

[mcveyrl]

If I remember correctly, USD was 10-0 and ranked #13 in the GPI. Dayton is 10-1 and is currently #34 in the GPI. USD had a convincing win over Yale, Dayton has a win over playoff team Fordham.

So, if you want to use these "credentials", USD might look a bit better.... Still, USD did not have win over a playoff team, and the PFL was not ranked above an AQ conference last year....

For the 16th spot, there is usually more at work that just mere "numbers". If that was not the case, the GPI would ALWAYS be 100% accurate in predicting the field. As another thread here has detailed, the last spot, ( and maybe the last two or three spots ), can be in play in any given year....

It is all about "chips" baby, and the "chips" just might be falling the Flyers way this year....

Who was the loss to? I really don't know.

[DetroitFlyer]

Dayton lost at Morehead State the week after we played Fordham. A bit of a mental letdown IMHO. The score was 42-35. MSU is a good team, ( tied for the PFL lead at 5-1 going into the final week of PFL play ). Of course they lost to USD and finished second in the PFL. MSU still has the #1 rated rush defense in all of FCS by the way, and is currently sitting at 6-3 heading into their game with FBS Western Kentucky this weekend.

[danefan]

Who was the loss to? I really don't know.

If you are asking about Dayton's loss...then Morehead State.

That loss and the two Sub DI games will most likely keep Dayton out.
I just don't see a team getting in with a conference loss in the NEC or PFL. That's why San Diego is out of contention, IMO.

I honestly think, homerism or not, that the Committee will take Albany at 8-3 before they take Dayton at 10-1 with two Sub DI games and a conference loss, IF IT WERE TO COME DOWN TO THOSE TWO.

A lot of things have to happen before that is the decision, including the complete write-off of stronger 7-4 teams (UNH, etc...).

[Maverick]

The only "chips" falling are the cow-chip-like thoughts coming from your mind. Dayton in the playoffs? That is equivalent to what the bull leaves in the barnyard! xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xnodx xnodx xnodx

[FargoBison]

Fast forward to 2007.... The PFL has turned out to be a pretty darn good FCS football conference, and more people know about it. USD will finish at 10-1, 9-1 FCS with wins over full scholarship teams Northern Colorado and UC Davis. Dayton will also be 10-1, 8-1 FCS, with wins over AQ Fordham and San Diego. Truth be told, both PFL teams could make a good argument for inclusion this year....



USD has beaten UCD? Pretty sure the two play in Davis this weekend.

[danefan]

USD has beaten UCD? Pretty sure the two play in Davis this weekend.

I think he's just assuming a win for playoff comparison purposes. Not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination though.

[The Tank]

What if USD manages to win convincingly this weekend at UC Davis? I think they can still make an argument for the playoffs.

I know it is an excuse, but losing to a good Dayton team on the road after only practicing indoors while the entire city is ON FIRE, obviously played a role in their worst offensive performance in 3 plus years!

[Khan4Cats]

What if USD manages to win convincingly this weekend at UC Davis? I think they can still make an argument for the playoffs.

I know it is an excuse, but losing to a good Dayton team on the road after only practicing indoors while the entire city is ON FIRE, obviously played a role in their worst offensive performance in 3 plus years!

I think San Diego, with two FCS scholarship wins, would make a better argument than Dayton, despite the head to head. That said, 11-0 San Diego couldn't get in over 7-4 Montana State last year, A 10-1 PFL team will not get in ahead of any 8-3 auto-bid conference teams this year, and probably not any 7-4 teams as long as they have 7 D-I wins.

[Khan4Cats]

But, as long as we're dreaming.....

Please, NCAA Committee, send the team that managed to beat a Drake team that was just playing out the season by 7 points to play us. After all, we barely managed to escape a fully healthy Drake team that still had lofty aspirations early in the year by a mere 38.

DF, you don't want any part of the Panthers this year. It would set back any hope the PFL has of ever receiving another at-large to the play-offs back about 50 years.

[DetroitFlyer]

What if USD manages to win convincingly this weekend at UC Davis? I think they can still make an argument for the playoffs.

I know it is an excuse, but losing to a good Dayton team on the road after only practicing indoors while the entire city is ON FIRE, obviously played a role in their worst offensive performance in 3 plus years!

As odd as it seems, USD just might have a better argument for the playoffs than my Flyers. Let's assume USD defeats UCD.

San Diego: 10-1 overall. 9-1 FCS. Only loss to PFL Champion and ranked Dayton.

Dayton: 10-1 overall. 8-1 FCS. Only loss to the third place team in the PFL, Morehead State.

This week, USD is still ranked higher in the SME Broadcasters poll than Dayton....

Now, let's make it really interesting.... What happens if Morehead State defeats FBS Western Kentucky.... Guess what, MSU finishes at 8-3, 7-2 FCS, with an FBS win, and becomes "playoff eligible".

Interesting to say the least.

[danefan]

As odd as it seems, USD just might have a better argument for the playoffs than my Flyers. Let's assume USD defeats UCD.

San Diego: 10-1 overall. 9-1 FCS. Only loss to PFL Champion and ranked Dayton.

Dayton: 10-1 overall. 8-1 FCS. Only loss to the third place team in the PFL, Morehead State.

This week, USD is still ranked higher in the SME Broadcasters poll than Dayton....

Now, let's make it really interesting.... What happens if Morehead State defeats FBS Western Kentucky.... Guess what, MSU finishes at 8-3, 7-2 FCS, with an FBS win, and becomes "playoff eligible".

Interesting to say the least.

I don't think either USD or Morehead (even with a win this weekend) have a shot. I think the sentiment of the committee will be: "If you can't win the PFL, you ain't gettin' in."

[RabidRabbit]

I don't think either USD or Morehead (even with a win this weekend) have a shot. I think the sentiment of the committee will be: "If you can't win the PFL, you ain't gettin' in."

If there is a year when UC-Davis is suspetible, this is it. No quality wins (sorry Portland St., SUU) a losing record (first time in 38 years), and a rash of injuries. xbawlingx xbawlingx

Still see fellow GWFC member pulling the game out like they did last year vs USD. xthumbsupx

Get'em Aggies!!!!

[DetroitFlyer]

But, as long as we're dreaming.....

Please, NCAA Committee, send the team that managed to beat a Drake team that was just playing out the season by 7 points to play us. After all, we barely managed to escape a fully healthy Drake team that still had lofty aspirations early in the year by a mere 38.

DF, you don't want any part of the Panthers this year. It would set back any hope the PFL has of ever receiving another at-large to the play-offs back about 50 years.

Bring em on!!!!

Why would you think that UD would not play UNI MUCH closer than Drake did this year? Drake finished 5th in the PFL.... Does it not seem reasonable to you that the first place team in a league just might play a bit better than the 5th place team in a league? I'll tell you this.... If UD played as well as we did against USD this year, it is very possible that UNI would have a very disappointing end to the 2007 campaign....

And why would any result set back a PFL bid in the future? Are you trying to argue that no other conference's invitees have not laid an egg in the first round of the playoffs? I mean come on, if a #16 is playing a #1, who do you think is going to win more often than not? Does that mean a team from that conference should should never be invited again?

I chuckle when folks say a blow out loss means something significant. If you are blown out in every game, there are some worries. In any given week, in ALL levels of football, there are blow outs. Butler lost to Dayton this year 61-0! I suppose that we should boot Butler out of the PFL as a result.... Wait, just last year, Butler defeated Dayton....

As I said to start, bring em on. UD would play a good game win or lose. We would certainly play as well as any other team that would be the #16 team in the field, and IMHO, better than most!!!!!

[DetroitFlyer]

I don't think either USD or Morehead (even with a win this weekend) have a shot. I think the sentiment of the committee will be: "If you can't win the PFL, you ain't gettin' in."


I agree, but I find it very interesting that a league that has only even been considered for a bid maybe once in the past, could have at least two teams in the discussion and maybe even three teams in the discussion.

[blur2005]

Neither Dayton or San Diego will make the playoffs. Give it a rest.

[DetroitFlyer]

Neither Dayton or San Diego will make the playoffs. Give it a rest.


Maybe while you are at it, you can also share with me the winning lottery number tonight....xlolx

[89Hen]

Maybe while you are at it, you can also share with me the winning lottery number tonight....xlolx
You have a point... they are probably fairly similar odds to Dayton making the field.

[blur2005]

You have a point... they are probably fairly similar odds to Dayton making the field.

Zing!xthumbsupx

[hebmskebm]

again, it comes down to scheduling. if the pioneer played as many fcs games as say the nec, and still had two teams finish with 9 wins or more, at least one of them would have a great shot at the playoffs. when the bulk of your OOC is d2, d3, and naia, its makes it almost impossible.

[igo4uni]

Where were you when I needed you five minutes ago before I hit 'submit'? xsmiley_wix

East Coast Alphabet Bias.xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx

[downbythebeach]

What I don't like that I see here, is that
some people are insinuating that a loss to a FBS team is worth more than a win over a D-2....

getting killed by a ACC school shows me less than beating a GLIAC team

[DetroitFlyer]

More "proof" that the Flyers should receive a bid to the FCS playoffs....:D



http://www.fcspreview.com/preview.pdf

Is Dayton the No. 1 team in all of college football? Without a playoff system, the answer could be yes. After all, Dayton beat Fordham, 31-24, which defeated Rhode Island 27-23, which knocked off Massachusetts, 12-6. UMass ripped New Hampshire, 27-7 which edged Delaware 35-30, which sank Navy 59-52.The Midshipmen upended Pittsburgh 48-45, which defeated Cincinnati 24-17. UC drilled Connecticut 27-3, which took out South Florida 22-15, which beat West Virginia 21-13. The Mountaineers crushed Mississippi State 38-13, which drilled Kentucky 31-14, which dumped Louisiana State, 43-37 — the No. 1-ranked Tigers only loss.



GO DAYTON FLYERS!!!!!xthumbsupx

[danefan]

More "proof" that the Flyers should receive a bid to the FCS playoffs....:D



http://www.fcspreview.com/preview.pdf

Is Dayton the No. 1 team in all of college football? Without a playoff system, the answer could be yes. After all, Dayton beat Fordham, 31-24, which defeated Rhode Island 27-23, which knocked off Massachusetts, 12-6. UMass ripped New Hampshire, 27-7 which edged Delaware 35-30, which sank Navy 59-52.The Midshipmen upended Pittsburgh 48-45, which defeated Cincinnati 24-17. UC drilled Connecticut 27-3, which took out South Florida 22-15, which beat West Virginia 21-13. The Mountaineers crushed Mississippi State 38-13, which drilled Kentucky 31-14, which dumped Louisiana State, 43-37 — the No. 1-ranked Tigers only loss.



GO DAYTON FLYERS!!!!!xthumbsupx

That's the first I've seen that publication. its actually a really good preview.