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mikebigg
April 21st, 2005, 09:45 PM
Grambling and Northwestern State is negotiating to play a season-opener in 2006 in Shreveport. The early proposal is that both teams would split the gate for this game. There has also been some talk about making it a double header with McNeese and Southern participating and being involved in a 4 way split (although SU seems to balk at the idea).

Personally, I would like this venue as the annual season opener for Grambling once the 12 game schedule is approved. Nothing personal towards NWST, but I would like to see Grambling playing a variety of schools in this game. My question is this: "How do you feel about your school traveling to Shreveport and playing GSU?" I'm particularly curious about some of the top programs in D1AA... Do you think your fans would be interested in coming to Shreveport and participating in a game that (with the right marketing) could draw anywhere from 35k -45k for an even split of the gate?

polsongrizz
April 21st, 2005, 09:48 PM
I would be there in a heartbeat if we could play you guys. :)

Kill'em
April 21st, 2005, 09:50 PM
I th8ink GSU vs GSU would be a fun match-up. Think about it, a team that runs vs a team that throws.

mikebigg
April 21st, 2005, 11:32 PM
I think such an arrangement would be great for Grambling and good for 1AA football. We would have to make it attractive (split the gate) with the opponent to justify them not wanting a home and home.

But I really think the media coverage would be tremendous of a 1AA game and would be well attended. It might also go a long way toward encouraging more regular season matchups between schools / conferences that never pay each other.

I'm sure the city of Shreveport would love the economic impact of such a game...the Casino "industry" is thriving in Shreveport and this added attraction (a season opening game) would be simply awesome.

SUjagTILLiDIE
April 22nd, 2005, 12:58 AM
Grambling and Northwestern State is negotiating to play a season-opener in 2006 in Shreveport. The early proposal is that both teams would split the gate for this game. There has also been some talk about making it a double header with McNeese and Southern participating and being involved in a 4 way split (although SU seems to balk at the idea).

Personally, I would like this venue as the annual season opener for Grambling once the 12 game schedule is approved. Nothing personal towards NWST, but I would like to see Grambling playing a variety of schools in this game. My question is this: "How do you feel about your school traveling to Shreveport and playing GSU?" I'm particularly curious about some of the top programs in D1AA... Do you think your fans would be interested in coming to Shreveport and participating in a game that (with the right marketing) could draw anywhere from 35k -45k for an even split of the gate?
We have already had this discussion on the SWACPAGE. You know we(SOUTHERN) can make more money playing at home.Im going to borrow the equation from a fellow Jag. Highest ticket prices(1-aa) + Highest attendence(1-aa)=a whole lot of money.What school would split its home gate with 3 other schools. I could see if we didn't have a history of having large crowds home and away. We also know that Southern would have the most fans in attendance. I would be very foolish of Southern to play this game. Just to think some Grambling fans said we should do it for good will in the state. :confused:

Tribe4SF
April 22nd, 2005, 04:06 AM
No thanks. I've been to Shreveport and have no desire to go back. Plus, Grambling's program is not at the top level of I-AA. The series we want at W&M is an annual matchup with Hampton University.

Umass74
April 22nd, 2005, 06:02 AM
I remember in the old days (the 80's) UMass and Grambling were talking about a home and home.

Never heard why it didn't happen...

ISUMatt
April 22nd, 2005, 12:27 PM
My school would bring about 100 fans and we would be the laughing stock as your side of the stadium is packed and ours is completely empty!!!

LetsGoNova
April 22nd, 2005, 02:11 PM
I'd love to play GSU, but why don't we play this in New Orleans, instead. I lived in Shreveport for three years, and I have precisely zero desire to go back.

bisonguy
April 22nd, 2005, 05:15 PM
This would be great! NDSU has only played Grambling once, and that was in 1965 in the Pecan Bowl for the College Division national championship. NDSU won that game and the title, 20-7. :D

putter
April 22nd, 2005, 06:18 PM
IT would be a fun game, however, as you saw last year against SHSU, that southern heat and humidity makes us northern boys blow chunks on the field! Maybe in October rather that September. ;)

polsongrizz
April 22nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
IT would be a fun game, however, as you saw last year against SHSU, that southern heat and humidity makes us northern boys blow chunks on the field! Maybe in October rather that September. ;)
No doubt Putter. hell I would be blowing chunks in that heat. :rolleyes: :D :eek:

Tod
April 22nd, 2005, 07:40 PM
So you are saying Montana is scared to play an opening season game in Shreveport? :confused:

I wasn't really involved in this conversation, but I'll say nope, not scared at all. Just being gracious.

Fellow Griz fans - correct me if I misspoke for you.

polsongrizz
April 23rd, 2005, 01:44 AM
I wasn't really involved in this conversation, but I'll say nope, not scared at all. Just being gracious.

Fellow Griz fans - correct me if I misspoke for you.
Never scared, are crazy??? But lets be serious, would we rather play early fall or or late fall?? Obviously late fall. And I don't think our program would would ahve any problem being competive, do you???

bonarae
April 23rd, 2005, 06:43 AM
currently none that I know of about any Ivy League team against the Tigers :( but Grambling will be great as two historically great teams square off.

JohnStOnge
April 23rd, 2005, 07:16 AM
Tribe, with all due respect, Grambling's football tradition far exceeds that of Hampton and over the long haul it's had better teams. The name "Grambling" in a football game attracts more attention than the name "Hampton" does.

Having said that, my concern would be that there's evidence HBCU fans won't come out in great numbers to play a I-AA that's not an HBCU so the gate may not be that great. I say that because of what's happened with McNeese playing at Grambling and at Southern over the past two years. In both cases the HBCU's had relatively small crowds by their standards. As has been noted, the crowd at Southern for the McNeese game was the smallest home opener of Pete Richardson's tenure.

When McNeese went to Grambling the Cowboys were ranked highly in I-AA and it's a school that has a pretty good reputation in this State. I'd look at bringing in top I-AAs from around the country as a financial risk until events demonstrate otherwise.

mikebigg
April 23rd, 2005, 01:11 PM
Tribe, with all due respect, Grambling's football tradition far exceeds that of Hampton and over the long haul it's had better teams. The name "Grambling" in a football game attracts more attention than the name "Hampton" does.

Having said that, my concern would be that there's evidence HBCU fans won't come out in great numbers to play a I-AA that's not an HBCU so the gate may not be that great. I say that because of what's happened with McNeese playing at Grambling and at Southern over the past two years. In both cases the HBCU's had relatively small crowds by their standards. As has been noted, the crowd at Southern for the McNeese game was the smallest home opener of Pete Richardson's tenure.

When McNeese went to Grambling the Cowboys were ranked highly in I-AA and it's a school that has a pretty good reputation in this State. I'd look at bringing in top I-AAs from around the country as a financial risk until events demonstrate otherwise.

The McNeese/Grambling crowd was actually one of our largest crowds. I think the numbers might have been understated cuz I was told that there wasn't many (if any seats available).

The Grambling's home stadium seats around 20K...our best on campus attendance is always homecoming and Jackson State. The next best game (attendance wise) is Alcorn who is an old traditional rival. Fan attendance has dropped since the 70's due to the loss of Tenn State from the schedule and also no more end-of-season home and home vs MEAC schools.

I think a season opener against some of the top D1AA names would be well attended. However, I think the smart move would be to initially schedule it against schools that are within easy traveling distance from Shreveport (most of the Southland schools) and spread out from there to bring others. Our Sept 17th date must be kept for possible Classic matchups against old traditional ooc teams like TnState and the MEAC or as with this year, our money game against a D1 opponent. The other normal ooc date on our schedule is Nov 12th. I personally like that one being a constant home game for Senior Night...even if it means playing a lower tier DII or NAIA school. That would be our "reward" game.

Tribe4SF
April 23rd, 2005, 02:11 PM
Tribe, with all due respect, Grambling's football tradition far exceeds that of Hampton and over the long haul it's had better teams. The name "Grambling" in a football game attracts more attention than the name "Hampton" does.

Having said that, my concern would be that there's evidence HBCU fans won't come out in great numbers to play a I-AA that's not an HBCU so the gate may not be that great. I say that because of what's happened with McNeese playing at Grambling and at Southern over the past two years. In both cases the HBCU's had relatively small crowds by their standards. As has been noted, the crowd at Southern for the McNeese game was the smallest home opener of Pete Richardson's tenure.

When McNeese went to Grambling the Cowboys were ranked highly in I-AA and it's a school that has a pretty good reputation in this State. I'd look at bringing in top I-AAs from around the country as a financial risk until events demonstrate otherwise.

You're certainly right about Grambling's tradition over the long haul, but of late, Hampton is clearly the better program. My comment about Hampton being a desired additional game for us is based on the fact that they are 30 miles away. The other HBCU close to us is Norfolk State, but their program is a shambles. W&M games against these two have historically drawn well, but we've only played them a combined 4 times.

I think you're right about the concept being a risk. I know a game against Grambling in Shreveport would have very little appeal for Tribe fans. New Orleans would be another story.

mikebigg
April 23rd, 2005, 10:30 PM
You're certainly right about Grambling's tradition over the long haul, but of late, Hampton is clearly the better program. My comment about Hampton being a desired additional game for us is based on the fact that they are 30 miles away. The other HBCU close to us is Norfolk State, but their program is a shambles. W&M games against these two have historically drawn well, but we've only played them a combined 4 times.

I think you're right about the concept being a risk. I know a game against Grambling in Shreveport would have very little appeal for Tribe fans. New Orleans would be another story.

When you say, "of late" are you talking beyond last season? In any other year, I think Grambling would have been favored and would have won. Doug Williams won 3 consecutive SWAC championship prior to his last season (which was a 8-3 club).

Retro
April 23rd, 2005, 11:56 PM
The McNeese/Grambling crowd was actually one of our largest crowds. I think the numbers might have been understated cuz I was told that there wasn't many (if any seats available).

The Officially reported attendance was 17,485, which is probably about right because it was about 2,500 - 3,000 short of a sell out.. I was there along with 4,000 + other Mcneese fans. Grambling simply didn't pull in the home fans and that included a few hundred kids from some group in one section on the home side.. For whatever reason many SWAC teams don't draw well outside of their own conference games. To add, Mcneese was one of the top ranked teams in the country as well. When it comes to Football games, SWAC fans or more interested in games where the events around the game (aka bands) are more important or the bigger drawing point than the quality of the game or opponent itself.

mikebigg
April 24th, 2005, 03:21 AM
The Officially reported attendance was 17,485, which is probably about right because it was about 2,500 - 3,000 short of a sell out.. I was there along with 4,000 + other Mcneese fans. Grambling simply didn't pull in the home fans and that included a few hundred kids from some group in one section on the home side.. For whatever reason many SWAC teams don't draw well outside of their own conference games. To add, Mcneese was one of the top ranked teams in the country as well. When it comes to Football games, SWAC fans or more interested in games where the events around the game (aka bands) are more important or the bigger drawing point than the quality of the game or opponent itself.

Poor home attendance is not limited to Grambling and the SWAC. Both ULM and Tech also struggle with home attendance. Seems like the emphasis in North La is on high school football. Not how much it dilutes the attendance when all three teams are playing home games the same weekend but the overall numbers are always down. ULM and Grambling needs to play but I doubt if ULM wants to travel to a D1AA and especially GSU because of the recruiting signals they "think" it sends.

Tribe4SF
April 24th, 2005, 05:37 AM
When you say, "of late" are you talking beyond last season? In any other year, I think Grambling would have been favored and would have won. Doug Williams won 3 consecutive SWAC championship prior to his last season (which was a 8-3 club).

I'm talking about the last ten years. I know Grambling continues to have a good program, but I think Hampton has become better. Hampton only moved to I-AA about 12 years ago.

Eaglegus2
April 24th, 2005, 11:07 AM
How would Grambling State or Southern University feel about playing Georgia Southern in the Georgia Dome in Atlanta for the opening game of 2006?

Great place for a great crowd!!

The corporate sponsors would be chomping at the bits for this game.

mikebigg
April 24th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Hey Mike,
Will Grambling fans care about any other schools playing them besides HBCUs and SLC/LA teams in what you suggest?

I hope so... IMO, Grambling fans would/should be glad to have an opportunity to witness a game against other D1AA opponents that give us new experiences and new exposure. Our non-participation in the D1AA playoffs is well chronicled and much discussed...but this game would allow Grambling and it's fan a chance to play teams that are not a part of our "traditional" schedule.

I'm sure the fan interest in playing other HBCU's will always be there...that's due to nostalgia as well as the fact that these "classic" games have been great money makers. However, we have an opportunity to continue to play such games at neutral sites such as the Ohio Classic in Cincinnati against BCC last year and other games against Tenn State and FAMU.

mikebigg
April 24th, 2005, 04:33 PM
How would Grambling State or Southern University feel about playing Georgia Southern in the Georgia Dome in Atlanta for the opening game of 2006? The corporate sponsors would be chomping at the bits for this game.

Can't speak for SU... their home base (BR) is such that they can have sellouts at home and therefore no need to play non-conference opponents away from the friendly confines of Mumford Stadium. As for Grambling's interest, I think the timing is right to approach our AD about such matchups. We recently hired Willie Jeffries (former South Carolina State coaching legend) as our AD. Coach Jeffries is openmineded and has great business saavy. I think he would be receptive to any overtures for such games.

Personally, I would like to see Georgia Southern on our schedule both in Shreveport one year and possibly a followup matchup the next year in the Georgia Dome would be a win-win situation for both programs (as well as D1AA football). Grambling would definitely benefit because in the year that we play you guys in Atlanta, we would have already had the "money making" game in Shreveport against another respected non-conference opponent.
Great place for a great crowd!!

Catmendue2
April 25th, 2005, 10:49 AM
Can't speak for SU... their home base (BR) is such that they can have sellouts at home and therefore no need to play non-conference opponents away from the friendly confines of Mumford Stadium. As for Grambling's interest, I think the timing is right to approach our AD about such matchups. We recently hired Willie Jeffries (former South Carolina State coaching legend) as our AD. Coach Jeffries is openmineded and has great business saavy. I think he would be receptive to any overtures for such games.

Personally, I would like to see Georgia Southern on our schedule both in Shreveport one year and possibly a followup matchup the next year in the Georgia Dome would be a win-win situation for both programs (as well as D1AA football). Grambling would definitely benefit because in the year that we play you guys in Atlanta, we would have already had the "money making" game in Shreveport against another respected non-conference opponent.
Great place for a great crowd!!


:D

GAD
April 25th, 2005, 08:23 PM
SU vs. GaSU in the ATL would probably be great SU fans love Atlanta.

mikebigg
April 26th, 2005, 05:13 PM
SU vs. GaSU in the ATL would probably be great SU fans love Atlanta.

Don't know what the capacity of the Georgia Dome, but this one has 50k potential...

bluedog
April 26th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Also, as I posted on the SWACPAGE, Southern does not have the highest home attendance in I-AA. In fact, besides homecoming last year the McNeese State game was your highest attended home game at 21673. :twocents:

Dude what is it with you putting a spin on everything? The bottom line is that Southern lead the Nation in attendance............Period. (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/attendance/IAA_AVGATTENDANCE.pdf)

Oh I see you know excellence when you come across it, nice new look. It kind of reminds me of another site.

Kill'em
April 26th, 2005, 09:37 PM
Don't know what the capacity of the Georgia Dome, but this one has 50k potential...
77,000.

SUjagTILLiDIE
April 26th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Don't know what the capacity of the Georgia Dome, but this one has 50k potential...
I know in years past Southern has tried to rent the Georgia Dome on its own but the city of Atlanta wouldn't let them. The 100 Black Men(sponsors of the Atlanta Classic) has some kind of contract that restricts the rental of the property or any HBCU playing in the venue a month before or a month after the Atlanta Classic.

McTailGator
May 1st, 2005, 10:42 AM
There has also been some talk about making it a double header with McNeese and Southern participating and being involved in a 4 way split (although SU seems to balk at the idea).


Mike, for the record;

SU were the ones that brough up the idea of this game to McNeese officials when they asked US to continue the series for another 2 years beyond THIS year. And I just found out yesterday, that the SU AD asked us about it 2 1/2 MONTHS AGO!, which means it's been discussed long before the fans found out.

As of now, the deal without a S-Port game is for SU to return to Lake Charles again in 06 (2 years in a row), and then MSU going back to BTR in 07. You can count on it that if McNeese has the 1st home game in 06, we will opt to move our game to S-Port and force SU to join the double header.

The tentitive financial deal would work like this:

All 4 schools get a "minimum" of 7,500 tickets to sale from their own box offices and each school can have an undetermined additional amount more if they ask. Those schools would keep all of the revenue from what ever they sale to their own fan base and pay their own travel expenses from this portion of the revenue.

In addition, all schools would evenly split what ever tickets are sold via ticketmaster and any sponsorship money AFTER the expenses are paid.

At a $35 to $45 ticket cost, there is no reason each school couldn't make a minimum of $350,000 each for this event. In fact, if one or two of the sponsors McNeese is liiking to get on board sign off on the deal, we can make more off this game than a LSU guarantee game.

McTailGator
May 1st, 2005, 10:55 AM
We have already had this discussion on the SWACPAGE. You know we(SOUTHERN) can make more money playing at home.Im going to borrow the equation from a fellow Jag. Highest ticket prices(1-aa) + Highest attendence(1-aa)=a whole lot of money.What school would split its home gate with 3 other schools. I could see if we didn't have a history of having large crowds home and away. We also know that Southern would have the most fans in attendance. I would be very foolish of Southern to play this game. Just to think some Grambling fans said we should do it for good will in the state. :confused:


There are two things those that are working on the contract for this game (and it is being worked on) are looking at.

A financial reward will be given for the team with the most fans. Schools will be given a minimum amount of tickets to sale from their own box offices. Of these tickets they keep all of the revenue from those tickets, plus have to pay their travel expenses out of that money. They may also request an undetermined amount of tickets and sell on their own and keep that revenue as well.

After that, all 4 teams will split all of the revenue from what ever tickets are sold via ticket master and sponsor ship money after expenses are paid.

There is no reason why each school couldn't make a minimum of $350,000 a year off of this game. And yes, SU might make and unguaranteed $500 - $600K off of a single home game, but considering their large travel base, they would more than likely make more off of their own ticket sales gathering a larger piece of the pie. Plus, if SU were to do a home and home, they only make revenue in one of the two years. Not both years, unless you pay someone none of your fans want to see and risk a rainout.

Think of the Tailgate party alone

McTailGator
May 1st, 2005, 10:59 AM
I think the reason is no place to tailgate. I guess in Shreveport the stadium's next to the fairgrounds and could host the large tailgate contingent.

The Stupid Dome in NO offers ZERO tailgate area. It's terrible.

The 53,000 seat Independance Bowl Stadium offers an unlimited amount of tailgate space, plus is much cheaper to rent than the Super Dome.

Cap'n Cat
May 1st, 2005, 11:23 AM
Dude what is it with you putting a spin on everything? The bottom line is that Southern lead the Nation in attendance............Period. (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/attendance/IAA_AVGATTENDANCE.pdf)

Oh I see you know excellence when you come across it, nice new look. It kind of reminds me of another site.

bluemutt:
http://www.punchstock.com/image/stockbyte/8636690/large/204742rke.jpg

:shakingma

SUjagTILLiDIE
May 1st, 2005, 11:37 PM
Mike, for the record;

SU were the ones that brough up the idea of this game to McNeese officials when they asked US to continue the series for another 2 years beyond THIS year. And I just found out yesterday, that the SU AD asked us about it 2 1/2 MONTHS AGO!
Floyd Kerr(SU AD) has no power and is on the final days of his contract. He will be reassigned to another position in a couple weeks.

SUjagTILLiDIE
May 1st, 2005, 11:44 PM
Mike, for the record;



As of now, the deal without a S-Port game is for SU to return to Lake Charles again in 06 (2 years in a row), and then MSU going back to BTR in 07. You can count on it that if McNeese has the 1st home game in 06, we will opt to move our game to S-Port and force SU to join the double header.

The tentitive financial deal would work like this:

All 4 schools get a "minimum" of 7,500 tickets to sale from their own box offices and each school can have an undetermined additional amount more if they ask. Those schools would keep all of the revenue from what ever they sale to their own fan base and pay their own travel expenses from this portion of the revenue.

In addition, all schools would evenly split what ever tickets are sold via ticketmaster and any sponsorship money AFTER the expenses are paid.

At a $35 to $45 ticket cost, there is no reason each school couldn't make a minimum of $350,000 each for this event. In fact, if one or two of the sponsors McNeese is liiking to get on board sign off on the deal, we can make more off this game than a LSU guarantee game.
I been around Southern all of my short life. No way in hell will they go for this. Southern always has something in their contracts about moving games from a home stadium to a neutral site stadium. A member of the swac(Uapb)tryed to pull that last season. The end result was a conference game was not played. I will say this again its a nice idea and all but why would/should Southern do this.

SUjagTILLiDIE
May 1st, 2005, 11:52 PM
There is no reason why each school couldn't make a minimum of $350,000 a year off of this game. And yes, SU might make and unguaranteed $500 - $600K off of a single home game, but considering their large travel base, they would more than likely make more off of their own ticket sales gathering a larger piece of the pie.

Why even bother when you can make it at home.?????????????

Cap'n Cat
May 2nd, 2005, 09:44 AM
I been around Southern all of my short life. No way in hell will they go for this. Southern always has something in their contracts about moving games from a home stadium to a neutral site stadium. A member of the swac(Uapb)tryed to pull that last season. The end result was a conference game was not played. I will say this again its a nice idea and all but why would/should Southern do this.


Nice to see that the SWAC all get along so well...............


:rolleyes:

mikebigg
May 2nd, 2005, 01:33 PM
I've got to disagree with you, bruh. In the 90's, we played Grambling eight times in the Whitney Young in Giants Stadium, and WE lead the series 6-2. Even during the Doug Williams tenure, we beat y'all the last time we played, in 1999.

Yeah, that's true... but we consider those our transition years!(lol) It wasn't until the late 90's that we began to resume our winning ways. Won't take nothing from you Pirates cuz yall handled your bizness...plus I was uplifted to into thinking ill of those who offer excuses...ie (monuments to nothing).

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 12:59 PM
Why hello bluedog, glad to see you!! xsmoochx

Citing stats like Southern has the top attendence in I-AA is kinda misleading because most of the Jags big attended games are held in cities away from campus. You may not like it but it's true. So it is correct to say the Jags have some of the best traveling fans... xprost2x


ralph, ralph. ralph why. why, why do you continue to pass off bogus info to the members of this board?


Man I'm just getting to old to keep up with the constant barrage of attacks on my dear ole almater.


Now tell the good folks of AGS just which one of these games are one of those many classic games that's held off of the campus that the Ncaa allows to be counted as a home game again.



Southwestern Athletic Conference -2004
Southern Game Results (Through games of Dec 11, 2004)
All games (http://www.swac.org/04-05/football/stats/su.htm)

Overall Conference
Date Opponent Score Record Record Time Attend
---- -------- ----- -------- -------- ---- ------
Sep 04, 2004 MCNEESE STATE 17-35 L 0- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 3:05 21673
Sep 11, 2004 MISS. VALLEY STATE W 17-14 1- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 2:25 20463
* Sep 17, 2004 at Prairie View A&M W 42-12 2- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 2:40 20830
Sep 25, 2004 SOUTH DAKOTA ST. 24-31 L 2- 2- 0 1- 0- 0 2:45 16445
* Oct 02, 2004 at Alabama State W 42-41 3- 2- 0 2- 0- 0 2:57 17364
* Oct 09, 2004 at Alabama A&M W 33-24 4- 2- 0 3- 0- 0 3:15 19890
* Oct 16, 2004 vs Jackson State W 45-7 5- 2- 0 4- 0- 0 2:40 32167
* Oct 23, 2004 at Alcorn State W 23-20 6- 2- 0 5- 0- 0 2:35 32151
Oct 30, 2004 TEXAS COLLEGE W 50-17 7- 2- 0 5- 0- 0 2:40 27675
* Nov 13, 2004 TEXAS SOUTHERN W 28-0 8- 2- 0 6- 0- 0 2:40 19862
* Nov 27, 2004 vs Grambling State 13-24 L 8- 3- 0 6- 1- 0 3:35 68911
Dec 11, 2004 vs Alabama State 35-40 L 8- 4- 0 6- 1- 0 3:40 22327

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 02:37 PM
Bogus info??? Constant attacks??? All I said was your top home game attendance (and I think the "NCAA allows us" thing is silly) besides homecoming was 21673 vs McNeese State. I also said you have great traveling fans.

2004 Southern campus games (avg. 21223):
Sep 04, 2004 MCNEESE STATE 21673
Sep 11, 2004 MISS. VALLEY STATE 20463
Sep 25, 2004 SOUTH DAKOTA ST. 16445
Oct 30, 2004 TEXAS COLLEGE 27675 (homecoming)
Nov 13, 2004 TEXAS SOUTHERN 19862

2004 Southern off-campus games (avg. 30520):
Sep 17, 2004 at Prairie View A&M 20830
Oct 02, 2004 at Alabama State 17364
Oct 09, 2004 at Alabama A&M 19890
Oct 16, 2004 vs Jackson State 32167
Oct 23, 2004 at Alcorn State 32151
Nov 27, 2004 vs Grambling State 68911
Dec 11, 2004 vs Alabama State 22327

Nothing bogus and no attack.


now,now now ralph stop diverting from the question.........



Now tell the good folks of AGS just which one of these games are one of those many classic games that's held off of the campus that the Ncaa allows to be counted as a home game again.

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 03:27 PM
diverting :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting on an explaination ralph xcoffeex

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 04:13 PM
ok lets try this again...........





Now tell the good folks of AGS just which one of these games are one of those many classic games that's held off of the campus that the Ncaa allows to be counted as a home game again.



Southwestern Athletic Conference -2004
Southern Game Results (Through games of Dec 11, 2004)
All games (http://www.swac.org/04-05/football/stats/su.htm)

Overall Conference
Date Opponent Score Record Record Time Attend
---- -------- ----- -------- -------- ---- ------
Sep 04, 2004 MCNEESE STATE 17-35 L 0- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 3:05 21673
Sep 11, 2004 MISS. VALLEY STATE W 17-14 1- 1- 0 0- 0- 0 2:25 20463
* Sep 17, 2004 at Prairie View A&M W 42-12 2- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 2:40 20830
Sep 25, 2004 SOUTH DAKOTA ST. 24-31 L 2- 2- 0 1- 0- 0 2:45 16445
* Oct 02, 2004 at Alabama State W 42-41 3- 2- 0 2- 0- 0 2:57 17364
* Oct 09, 2004 at Alabama A&M W 33-24 4- 2- 0 3- 0- 0 3:15 19890
* Oct 16, 2004 vs Jackson State W 45-7 5- 2- 0 4- 0- 0 2:40 32167
* Oct 23, 2004 at Alcorn State W 23-20 6- 2- 0 5- 0- 0 2:35 32151
Oct 30, 2004 TEXAS COLLEGE W 50-17 7- 2- 0 5- 0- 0 2:40 27675
* Nov 13, 2004 TEXAS SOUTHERN W 28-0 8- 2- 0 6- 0- 0 2:40 19862
* Nov 27, 2004 vs Grambling State 13-24 L 8- 3- 0 6- 1- 0 3:35 68911
Dec 11, 2004 vs Alabama State 35-40 L 8- 4- 0 6- 1- 0 3:40 22327


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bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 04:21 PM
diverting :asswhip: :p

glad to see you admit it. :nod:

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 04:26 PM
diverting :rolleyes:

...most of the Jags big attended games are held in cities away from campus. You may not like it but it's true.


still waiting for you to tell the good folks on AGS which one of those classic games you're referring to is on that schedule.

:deadhorse

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 04:57 PM
...most of the Jags big attended games are held in cities away from campus.

2004:
Oct 16, 2004 vs Jackson State 32167
Oct 23, 2004 at Alcorn State 32151
Nov 27, 2004 vs Grambling State 68911



:lmao:

Nice try ralphie but you have three problems with this arugument.

1) The Jackson State game gets that amount or more when itís on campus. As a matter of fact the Jackson state game still holds the record for on campus games and last years off campus games was actually low attendance because of James Bell.

2) The Alcorn game had no sponsors and wasn't a classic and never has been. The reason it was so huge is because SU hadn't been to the reservation in four years or so.

3) This means your down to one classic the, so there goes your theory.


:smiley_wi

Husky Alum
May 28th, 2005, 07:33 PM
I'd love to see any of the SWAC or MEAC schools with a great band come to New England. Grambling-Harvard/Yale would be quite wild to see.

When Barry Gallup was the coach at NU there was some talk of NU playing FAMU or Grambling at Foxboro, but that talk died down when NU and UMass only drew 5,000 for a game down there in the early 1990s.

Even if promoted properly, I'm not sure this game would get the attention it deserved.

bluedog
May 28th, 2005, 11:44 PM
1. we'll see this year
2. I never mentioned classic
3. The Bayou is not on SU's campus
Grambling State 24
Southern 13
Nov 27, 2004 at New Orleans, LA
:spank:

...most of the Jags big attended games are held in cities away from campus.
2003 Southern on-campus (avg. 19732)
2003 Southern off-campus (avg. 31708)


2) btw way I forgot it wasn't SU home game it was Alcorn's on their campus

The bottomline is you insinuated that because we have large crowds at games away from the campus as the reason why our numbers are higher then most everybody else.

The fact is the only way those types of games would count in "HOME" attendance numbers is if they were classic games and we were the home team.

Another fact is we only played one game more then usual off of the campus last year that was a classic and those numbers were lower then they would have been at home.

The last fact but not the least is that the Ncaa doesn't look at as you do because of the simply reason every schools has an equal chance to do the same as SWAC schools do and the reason they aren't as sucessful at it is because we obvious have more pride in our schools.

Oh btw did I mention that last year we hike up our ticket price to the highest being paid by any D-IAA fans in the nation, and that everybody thought we were going to flop on our faces but we lead the nation in attendance last year, even with the unexpected price increase?

bluedog
May 29th, 2005, 12:37 AM
:read: Let me be the first to point something else out to you. I said..........



2)

The last fact but not the least is that the Ncaa doesn't look at as you do because of the simply reason every schools has an equal chance to do the same as SWAC schools do and the reason they aren't as sucessful at it is because we obvious have more pride in our schools.

.....and whether you called it a classic or not is irrelevant, they still have to come. The word classic doesn't have any magical influence as you would have some believe.


Good night ralph xcoffeex