New Dartmouth Varsity House

[Cooper]

Interior pictures of the new varsity house that Dartmouth is building are up on the Green Alert Blog (http://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/). Check out the size of the weight room. It's enormous. The building should be finished this fall.

[MplsBison]

Would I be correct in saying that Dartmouth is the smallest, "poorest", and most isolated of the Ivy schools?

[bulldog10jw]

Would I be correct in saying that Dartmouth is the smallest, "poorest", and most isolated of the Ivy schools?

Smallest, yes. Poorest? In what way? Most isolated? If you mean from the other Ivy's than no, Cornell is the most isolated.

[Franks Tanks]

Would I be correct in saying that Dartmouth is the smallest, "poorest", and most isolated of the Ivy schools?

Smallest and most isolated yes, but im not sure about "poorest." I believe Dartmouth had a larger endowment that Brown but i'm not 100%. also Brown is only slightly larger than Dartmouth I believe.

[Franks Tanks]

Smallest, yes. Poorest? In what way? Most isolated? If you mean from the other Ivy's than no, Cornell is the most isolated.

I think he just means isolated by geography.

[Cooper]

Would I be correct in saying that Dartmouth is the smallest, "poorest", and most isolated of the Ivy schools?

Undergraduate enrollments (from the 2006 Dartmouth press guide)
Cornell 13,700
Penn 10,500
Harvard 6,700
Brown 5,700
Columbia 5,532
Yale 5,200
Princeton 4,600
Dartmouth 4,300

Most isolated? Probably shares that honor with Cornell.

"Poorest?" A relative term, to be sure. Brown's endowment is the smallest in the Ivies.

[R.A.]

What are the Ivy Endowments? All over the Billion Plus Range I assume.

[bostonspider]

From Wikipedia

Harvard - $28.9B
Yale - $18.0B
Princeton - $13.0B
Columbia - $5.9B
UPenn - $5.3B
Cornell - $4.3B
Dartmouth - $3.1B
Brown - $2.2B

[MplsBison]

Yes I meant endowment size.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_colleges_and_universities_by_endowment

Rank Institution Endowment (billions)

1. Harvard University $25.5
2. Yale University $15.2
3. Stanford University $12.2
4. Princeton University $11.207
5. Massachusetts Institute of Technology $6.712
6. Columbia University $5.191
7. University of Michigan $4.931
8. University of Pennsylvania $4.370
9. Northwestern University $4.215
10. Emory University $4.376
11. Washington University in St. Louis $4.268
12. University of Chicago $4.137
13. Duke University $3.826
14. University of Notre Dame $3.650
15. Cornell University $3.777
16. Rice University $3.611
17. University of Virginia $3.219
18. University of Southern California $2.746
19. Dartmouth College $2.714
20. Vanderbilt University $2.628
21. University of Washington $1.489
22. Johns Hopkins University $2.177
23. University of Minnesota $1.969
24. Brown University $1.843
25. New York University $1.548

[MplsBison]

Absolutely amazing that a little college in the middle of no where New Hampshire has nearly 3 billion endowment.

It must kill their alumni to know that UNH can beat them in every sport.

[bostonspider]

Absolutely amazing that a little college in the middle of no where New Hampshire has nearly 3 billion endowment.


Probably way over $3B, as you quoted 2005 numbers and I quoted 2006 numbers. With the way the market has gone and some smart investing, they could be close to $3.3B for all we know.

[R.A.]

9. Northwestern University $4.215
23. University of Minnesota $1.969
BIG TEN SHOCKERS FOR ME... and also WHERE'S GEORGETOWN???

[andy7171]

I don't think people from Dartmouth care much about who can beat them. How long have they played the same schedule? If they cared, you'd think someone would complain.

[Sir William]

From Wikipedia

Harvard - $28.9B
Yale - $18.0B
Princeton - $13.0B
Columbia - $5.9B
UPenn - $5.3B
Cornell - $4.3B
Dartmouth - $3.1B
Brown - $2.2B

Poor? Compared to who?

[GannonFan]

Absolutely amazing that a little college in the middle of no where New Hampshire has nearly 3 billion endowment.

It must kill their alumni to know that UNH can beat them in every sport.

Yeah, I'm sure that Dartmouth alumni are just foaming at the mouth, knowing how rabid they are for sports. xrolleyesx

[Go...gate]

Yeah, I'm sure that Dartmouth alumni are just foaming at the mouth, knowing how rabid they are for sports. xrolleyesx


It wasn't always that way, though. Until the last 20-25 years, they were passionate about sports.

[Franks Tanks]

It wasn't always that way, though. Until the last 20-25 years, they were passionate about sports.

Some others may know better as I am young buck--sort of. . But wasnt Dartmouth the last vestige of a nationally competitive Ivy team. I may be incorrect but wasnt Dartmouth ranked in the top 25 as late as the early 1970's? Also im not talking about the 1-AA or FCs top 25 but the best 25 teams period.

[Franks Tanks]

Some others may know better as I am young buck--sort of. . But wasnt Dartmouth the last vestige of a nationally competitive Ivy team. I may be incorrect but wasnt Dartmouth ranked in the top 25 as late as the early 1970's? Also im not talking about the 1-AA or FCs top 25 but the best 25 teams period.

I am an idiot, I answered my own question by you know looking it up. In 1970 Dartmouth finished the regaular season ranked #14 in the final division I poll, so football used to be a very big deal at Dartmouth

[MplsBison]

And it easily could be again.

Obviously their geography is limiting. But they are "only" 2.5 hours away from Boston and Hartford, all interstate.


They have to money to build whatever facilities they would need and hire whatever coaches they could need.

[bulldog10jw]

I am an idiot, I answered my own question by you know looking it up. In 1970 Dartmouth finished the regaular season ranked #14 in the final division I poll, so football used to be a very big deal at Dartmouth


It's really been just the last 10 years that Dartmouth has fallen on tough times, in football anyway. They won 4 Ivy titles in the '90's and were, I believe, undefeated in 1996.

[blukeys]

I am an idiot, I answered my own question by you know looking it up. In 1970 Dartmouth finished the regaular season ranked #14 in the final division I poll, so football used to be a very big deal at Dartmouth

I'm old enough to remember when the Big Green totally dominated Ivy Football. Even in the Ed Marinaro era at Cornell, Dartmouth was the Ivy team to beat. (Brian Dowling at Yale of course also had to deal with Dartmouth in the late 60's)

As a UD fan in 1970 I would have loved to see the Hens take on Dartmouth. The Ivies would scrimmage the Hens but refused to schedule them until the mid 70's. Princeton and Penn eventually scheduled the Hens much to the chagrin of the Princeton and Penn faithful. xsmiley_wix xsmiley_wix

[bulldog10jw]

I'm old enough to remember when the Big Green totally dominated Ivy Football. Even in the Ed Marinaro era at Cornell, Dartmouth was the Ivy team to beat. (Brian Dowling at Yale of course also had to deal with Dartmouth in the late 60's)


Brian Dowling played two games against Dartmouth as a varsity player(freshman were ineligible then and he was hurt as a soph). Yale won the two games by a combined 103-42.

[blukeys]

For the record, the highest non Ivy FCS schools are Delaware and Richmond both with approximately 1.2 billion in endowments.

Also for the record, the State Auditor of Delaware, R. Thomas Wagner is a Richmond Grad.

[colgate13]

Endowments are one thing... endowment per student is another. That's the more impressive figure to discuss IMO. So while for example Penn has almost twice the money, they have more than twice the students, so as I measure things, they are the 'poorer' school. Looking at endowment per student, Brown is even further away. And Princeton? Jeez - they should be giving money away!

Also, having lived in both relative areas, Cornell is MUCH more isolated that Dartmouth. Dartmouth has a major interstate that can get it to 'civilization' in no time at all. Cornell? Sorry, Syracuse can't compare to Boston, and NYC is hours away... Cornell wins the isolation contest in my book.

[aggie6thman]

Well those numbers show they can fully fund all their athletic programs and have a few billion left over to spend on other things. xeekx xeekx

[aggie6thman]

New facility should be a great addition and it looks great!

[bulldog10jw]

Well those numbers show they can fully fund all their athletic programs and have a few billion left over to spend on other things. xeekx xeekx

Yale (and I suspect Harvard) just likes to add to their endowment. You will never catch them spending any of it.

[GannonFan]

Well those numbers show they can fully fund all their athletic programs and have a few billion left over to spend on other things. xeekx xeekx

Heck, a lot of those schools could cover the tuition of every student they have - you don't see them doing that either. Sometimes these endowments are almost window dressing - they don't really seem to use them, they just like to brag about them.

[colgate13]

Yale (and I suspect Harvard) just likes to add to their endowment. You will never catch them spending any of it.

Yes sir! In all my school dealings I've always found the richer the school, the cheaper their policies!

Some of that is changing with financial aid... but in some ways they've been pressured to.

[DFW HOYA]

Well those numbers show they can fully fund all their athletic programs and have a few billion left over to spend on other things. xeekx xeekx

Endowments don't work that way. Most are heavily restricted to certain established programs (faculty chairmanships, buildings, etc.) that a lot less than you think is unrestricted income.

That's why a lot of schools are building athletic endowments. Here are the top ten, with no Ivy in sight:

1. Stanford $270 million
2. Notre Dame $130 million
3. North Carolina $106 million
4. USC $100 million
5. Duke $63 million
6. Texas A&M $45 million
7. Virginia $35 million
8. Michigan $31.7 million
9. Cal $30 million
10. Florida $24.1 million

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/28/SPGLM2KL7M1.DTL

[Go...gate]

It's really been just the last 10 years that Dartmouth has fallen on tough times, in football anyway. They won 4 Ivy titles in the '90's and were, I believe, undefeated in 1996.

Yale '81 (their last year of Division I before reclassification) was also very good, defeated a Bowl-bound Navy team and was ranked in the Top 20 going into the Princeton game, in which they were upset 35-31 . Yale finished 9-1 and received Top 20 votes.