Bracketology - Final

[BisonTru]

Post your brackets.

Here's mine.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26553&stc=1

Last four in: Austin Peay, McNeese St, Monmouth, Eastern Washington

First four out: Northern Arizona, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire

Next four out: Illinois State, Nicholls St, Western Carolina, Sacramento St

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh and Monmouth played in the regular season. Is that still a factor?

[Reign of Terrier]

That Central Arkansas bracket seems brutal

[Go...gate]

Lehigh and Monmouth played in the regular season. Is that still a factor?

It should not be. They are not in the same conference. Colgate and UNH played twice in 2015.

[ElCid]

Post your brackets.

Here's mine.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26551&stc=1

Last four in: Austin Peay, McNeese St, Monmouth, Eastern Washington

First four out: Northern Arizona, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire

Next four out: Illinois State, Nicholls St, Western Carolina, Sacramento St


Not bad, but switch Furman and W Ill. Not sure AP gets in though.

[aceinthehole]

FYI - Monmouth vs. Lehigh is a regular season rematch. Anyway, I think they "reward" Stony Brook, by sending them Lehigh.

CCSU would play former NEC-member Monmouth.

[Professor Chaos]

Looks good to me. Wouldn't be surprised to see Monmouth left out in favor of any of your first 4 out but can see the argument for Monmouth.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

It should not be. They are not in the same conference. Colgate and UNH played twice in 2015.

They are suppose to avoid rematches iirc. That might have been something introduced last year but I'm (pretty) positive it's something the committee is suppose to consider....

[BisonTru]

Ok I switched my bracket up at little. I had Samford and Kennesaw St but they've already played this season so I swapped KSU and AP. Monmouth and Lehigh also played, but both are the only schools within 400 miles to JMU. Stony Brook is just outside of 400 miles to JMU.

[CappinHard]

I saw someone mention how the committee can potentially give SDSU and NDSU bus games by pairing them up with UNI and USD respectively. I kind of expect this to hapoen.

[Reign of Terrier]

I'm not at the level of certainty for anything with this process this year, so I'm just going to wait and be surprised tomorrow.

[Go...gate]

Lehigh vs. Monmouth might be VERY interesting.

[ElCid]

Post your brackets.

Here's mine.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26553&stc=1

Last four in: Austin Peay, McNeese St, Monmouth, Eastern Washington

First four out: Northern Arizona, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire

Next four out: Illinois State, Nicholls St, Western Carolina, Sacramento St

You changed it. Still think a Furman Elon rematch would be cool in first round.

[ngineer]

FYI - Monmouth vs. Lehigh is a regular season rematch. Anyway, I think they "reward" Stony Brook, by sending them Lehigh.

CCSU would play former NEC-member Monmouth.

Agreed. While I wouidn't mind a rematch with Monmouth (certainly an easier trip), I think the Committee tries to avoid such rematches in the first round, if possible.

[PaladinFan]

Would the committee rematch Furman/Elon and KSU/Samford?

[TheKingpin28]

Would the committee rematch Furman/Elon and KSU/Samford?

Ask any NDSU and SDSU fan this question and you will have your answer.

[Mike296]

Not bad, but switch Furman and W Ill. Not sure AP gets in though.

As an AP fan I would love to see us in the playoffs. I do however have to side with ElCid on this case. Our SoS not counting the FBS games was very poor and we squeaked out a few games against some very bad teams. I love the turnaround we had this year but I think we’ll be left out because of our SoS alone.


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[ElCid]

Agreed. While I wouidn't mind a rematch with Monmouth (certainly an easier trip), I think the Committee tries to avoid such rematches in the first round, if possible.


Would the committee rematch Furman/Elon and KSU/Samford?


Well unless you are The Citadel or Wofford or CSU maybe it would matter. Why not as long as they are not in the same conf. The SOCON has been the victim of this repeatedly, why change now.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Ok I switched my bracket up at little. I had Samford and Kennesaw St but they've already played this season so I swapped KSU and AP. Monmouth and Lehigh also played, but both are the only schools within 400 miles to JMU. Stony Brook is just outside of 400 miles to JMU.

I just have no idea how you handle a 5-6 team...lol

I think sending Lehigh to Stony Brook makes the most sense based on geography and the fact that SBU will likely be one of the highest rated non-seeded team. I don't think one of the last at-large bids deserves to face a "weak" first round opponent.

You could also do a CCSU-Lehigh game with the winner heading to JMU. JMU should be rewarded with an easy first game imo. Likewise with the #2 seed. That would kind of make sense if you can live with a team that wouldn't win a playoff game with any other matchup winning a 1st round game. (if you follow my drift)

[FargoBison]

The Bracket
Lehigh at Delaware vs 1. JMU
Elon at Samford vs 8. Wofford


WIU at McNeese vs 5. SHSU
Furman at Kennesaw State vs 4. JSU


CCSU at Northern Iowa 3. UCA
EWU at South Dakota vs 6. SDSU


San Diego at Weber State vs 7. SUU
Monmouth at Stony Brook vs 2. NDSU


Autobid(10):
Big Sky: SUU
Big South: Kennesaw State
CAA: JMU
MVFC: NDSU
NEC: CCSU
OVC: JSU
Patriot: Lehigh
Pioneer: San Diego
SoCon: Wofford
SLC: UCA


At-Large(14)
Big Sky: Weber State, EWU
Big South: Monmouth
CAA: Elon, Stony Brook, UD
MVFC: WIU, SDSU, UNI, USD
SoCon: Samford, Furman
SLC: SHSU, McNeese State


Bubble Burst: Montana, UNH, NAU, Sac State, Austin Pea

[ElCid]

Ok I switched my bracket up at little. I had Samford and Kennesaw St but they've already played this season so I swapped KSU and AP. Monmouth and Lehigh also played, but both are the only schools within 400 miles to JMU. Stony Brook is just outside of 400 miles to JMU.


Repeats are done all the time as long as they are not in the same conf.

[BisonTru]

Would the committee rematch Furman/Elon and KSU/Samford?

If it saved a plane trip yes. If they can avoid it and an extra charter flight they will.


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[Reign of Terrier]

The Bracket
Lehigh at Delaware vs 1. JMU
Elon at Samford vs 8. Wofford


WIU at McNeese vs 5. SHSU
Furman at Kennesaw State vs 4. JSU


CCSU at Northern Iowa 3. UCA
EWU at South Dakota vs 6. SDSU


San Diego at Weber State vs 7. SUU
Monmouth at Stony Brook vs 2. NDSU


Autobid(10):
Big Sky: SUU
Big South: Kennesaw State
CAA: JMU
MVFC: NDSU
NEC: CCSU
OVC: JSU
Patriot: Lehigh
Pioneer: San Diego
SoCon: Wofford
SLC: UCA


At-Large(14)
Big Sky: Weber State, EWU
Big South: Monmouth
CAA: Elon, Stony Brook, UD
MVFC: WIU, SDSU, UNI, USD
SoCon: Samford, Furman
SLC: SHSU, McNeese State


Bubble Burst: Montana, UNH, NAU, Sac State, Austin Pea

I like this bracket

[ElCid]

If it saved a plane trip yes. If they can avoid it and an extra charter flight they will.


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Plus K State/Samford and Furman/Elon are both short trips. Both rematches of non conf foes, where both were close games,....might be interesting.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

It's hard for me to see a second SLC team getting a seed over a 9-win CAA team (Stony Brook).

[Reign of Terrier]

Samford v. Elon is just barely not a bus trip at 470ish miles.

Even though they definitely were a bus trip when they played in the same conference...

[aceinthehole]

I just have no idea how you handle a 5-6 team...lol

I think sending Lehigh to Stony Brook makes the most sense based on geography and the fact that SBU will likely be one of the highest rated non-seeded team. I don't think one of the last at-large bids deserves to face a "weak" first round opponent.

You could also do a CCSU-Lehigh game with the winner heading to JMU. JMU should be rewarded with an easy first game imo. Likewise with the #2 seed. That would kind of make sense if you can live with a team that wouldn't win a playoff game with any other matchup winning a 1st round game. (if you follow my drift)

I agree with both you points.

Lehigh at Stony Brook makes a lot of sense based on "seeding," plus it is still a bus game. I think Lehigh fans would enjoy the trip to Long Island. I've been there for a CCSU-SBU matchup and they have nice digs. As long as Monmouth/Delaware/UNH make they field, CCSU will also get a bus trip.

Also, I know for a fact that CCSU put in a bid to host. Highly doubt it would be enough to steal a home game from UD or UNH, but it might be enough to get Lehigh or Monmouth to make the trip New Britain :)

[BisonTru]

The Bracket
Lehigh at Delaware vs 1. JMU
Elon at Samford vs 8. Wofford


WIU at McNeese vs 5. SHSU
Furman at Kennesaw State vs 4. JSU


CCSU at Northern Iowa 3. UCA
EWU at South Dakota vs 6. SDSU


San Diego at Weber State vs 7. SUU
Monmouth at Stony Brook vs 2. NDSU


Autobid(10):
Big Sky: SUU
Big South: Kennesaw State
CAA: JMU
MVFC: NDSU
NEC: CCSU
OVC: JSU
Patriot: Lehigh
Pioneer: San Diego
SoCon: Wofford
SLC: UCA


At-Large(14)
Big Sky: Weber State, EWU
Big South: Monmouth
CAA: Elon, Stony Brook, UD
MVFC: WIU, SDSU, UNI, USD
SoCon: Samford, Furman
SLC: SHSU, McNeese State


Bubble Burst: Montana, UNH, NAU, Sac State, Austin Pea

This looks good. Difference from mine Delaware in, Austin Peay out. I could see that as well.

Edit: I might swap Samford and KSU even thought that would create a rematch. It would be more travel friendly.

[FargoBison]

Samford v. Elon is just barely not a bus trip at 470ish miles.

Even though they definitely were a bus trip when they played in the same conference...

I could have swapped Furman and Samford but then I'm setting up two rematches.

[JaxSinfonian]

Would the committee rematch Furman/Elon and KSU/Samford?

They can, but the criteria say non-conference rematches SHOULD be avoided.

[Reign of Terrier]

The more I think about it the more I think an Elon/Samford matchup is likely.

[FargoBison]

This looks good. Difference from mine Delaware in, Austin Peay out. I could see that as well.

Yeah...UD was pretty much my last team in and APSU/UNH were my last teams out. UD's Stony Brook win and UNH's two bad losses were and APSU's no good wins were the difference.

[BisonTru]

Samford v. Elon is just barely not a bus trip at 470ish miles.

Even though they definitely were a bus trip when they played in the same conference...

The limit is 400 miles. So Elon Samford would be a flight.

[RabidRabbit]

The Bracket
Lehigh at Delaware vs 1. JMU
Elon at Samford vs 8. Wofford


WIU at McNeese vs 5. SHSU
Furman at Kennesaw State vs 4. JSU


CCSU at Northern Iowa 3. UCA
EWU at South Dakota vs 6. SDSU


San Diego at Weber State vs 7. SUU
Monmouth at Stony Brook vs 2. NDSU


Autobid(10):
Big Sky: SUU
Big South: Kennesaw State
CAA: JMU
MVFC: NDSU
NEC: CCSU
OVC: JSU
Patriot: Lehigh
Pioneer: San Diego
SoCon: Wofford
SLC: UCA


At-Large(14)
Big Sky: Weber State, EWU
Big South: Monmouth
CAA: Elon, Stony Brook, UD
MVFC: WIU, SDSU, UNI, USD
SoCon: Samford, Furman
SLC: SHSU, McNeese State


Bubble Burst: Montana, UNH, NAU, Sac State, Austin Pea

Monmouth at Stony Brook goes to UCA
EWU@USD to NDSU
CCSU@UNI to SDSU

Only changes due to regionalization.

[BisonTru]

Monmouth at Stony Brook goes to UCA
EWU@USD to NDSU
CCSU@UNI to SDSU

Only changes due to regionalization.

This is a good point I hadn't seen. Sending USD to NDSU and UNI to SDSU would both be bus trips. UNI to NDSU is not.

[BisonTru]

Update given RabidRabbit's point.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26555&stc=1

[Mike296]

Update given RabidRabbit's point.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26554&stc=1

Only change for me is switching Monmouth and AP’s spots in that bracket but hey beggars can’t be choosers.


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[CappinHard]

I just watched the short update that the committee chair did a few hours ago. He said something along the lines of "forming the bracket is pretty straight forward". Wtf... I understand that figuring out the field of 24 is a difficult task, but bracketing shouldn't be "straight forward". Affirms the suggestions in the past that the committee is lazy when it comes to setting up the bracket.

[BisonTru]

I just watched the short update that the committee chair did a few hours ago. He said something along the lines of "forming the bracket is pretty straight forward". Wtf... I understand that figuring out the field of 24 is a difficult task, but bracketing shouldn't be "straight forward". Affirms the suggestions in the past that the committee is lazy when it comes to setting up the bracket.

They aren't lazy they are handcuffed by the guidelines set by the NCAA. If you gave me the seeds and at larges I'm pretty sure I could set up a bracket pretty close to what the committee would come up with.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

They aren't lazy they are handcuffed by the guidelines set by the NCAA. If you gave me the seeds and at larges I'm pretty sure I could set up a bracket pretty close to what the committee would come up with.

Exactly! The bracket is not based on merit outside of the Top 8 teams. The rest is just tossed together as best as can to make it "fit".

[katss07]

McNeese State is coming to Huntsville if they win. They haven’t played yet, McNeese is a bus ride away, the teams are rivals, they have playoff history, and it is an all SLC battle in round 2 if they win. No way any other team is at Bowers for round 2 (unless McNeese loses).

[RootinFerDukes]

Interesting to have three SLC, two OVC and two Big South before a fourth CAA.

[DCWIU11]

Where is WIU in this bracket? The one most recent four or five posts ahead of this post.

[BisonTru]

No Bowls

http://www.nobowls.com/images/week11.png

- - - Updated - - -

Dom Izzo's

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO964C-VoAAUwh9.jpg

[FargoBison]

Stats Bracket...

Central Connecticut St.-Lehigh winner at No. 1 seed James Madison
Monmouth-Stony Brook winner at No. 8 seed Wofford
South Dakota-Eastern Washington winner at No. 5 seed South Dakota St.
W. Illinois-Austin Peay winner at No. 4 seed Central Arkansas

San Diego-Weber State winner at No. 3 seed North Dakota State
Samford-McNeese winner at No. 6 seed Sam Houston State
Elon-Northern Iowa winner at No. 7 seed Southern Utah
Kennesaw State-Furman winner at No. 2 seed Jacksonville State

https://twitter.com/FCS_STATS

[BisonTru]

https://twitter.com/FCS_STATS/status/932101547932225536

https://twitter.com/FCS_STATS/status/932101411734786048

[RootinFerDukes]

Dom's is good except NDSU #3 is odd (with no history of the committee not taking SOS seriously). He also shouldn't have Nicholls in the field... at all.

[BisonTru]

On Izzo's bracket: Weber State will go thru Southern Utah. Northern Iowa goes thru SDSU and USD should go thru NDSU.

Edit: Same thing for stats on Weber State. They are going thru Southern Utah unless NAU is in the field.

[FargoBison]

My thing with JSU is when the committee sits down and looks at the entire body of work each team has. NDSU will stand out...JSU has one good thing going in no FCS losses but they don't really have any big wins to hang their hat on.

[dewey]

My thing with JSU is when the committee sits down and looks at the entire body of work each team has. NDSU will stand out...JSU has one good thing going in no FCS losses but they don't really have any big wins to hang their hat on.

Exactly right.

Dewey

[leatherneck177]

Exactly right.

Dewey

Agreed, Wofford’s body of work looks the same way. Underwhelming for a seed, if they get 8 seed, they barely get it.

[DTP2]

Follow the board but just registered. Thought I'd post the playoff field based on my point system to see what others think good or bad. As far as I can tell, looks like Wofford over Stony Brook for a top 8 seed is a likely committee choice. Couple at large selections like Monmouth and Austin Peay are iffy. Also, teams like Kennesaw State, Monmouth, and San Diego fare better under this point system.

IN
1 James Madison 60
2 South Dakota State 48
3 North Dakota State 46
4 Jacksonville State 46
5 Central Arkansas 42
6 Southern Utah 42
7 Sam Houston State 38
8 Stony Brook 35
9 Kennesaw State 34
10 Weber State 34
11 Elon 34
12 Wofford 33
13 Monmouth 32
14 Austin Peay 32
15 Western Illinois 31
16 Samford 27
17 San Diego 26
18 South Dakota 26
19 Eastern Washington 26
20 Northern Iowa 24
21 McNeese State 23
22 Furman 23
24 Central Connecticut 22
56 Lehigh -7


OUT
23 Nicholls State 22
25 New Hampshire 22
26 Richmond 20
27 Delaware 18
28 Northern Arizona 18
29 Drake 17
30 Sacramento State 16
31 Montana 14
32 Youngstown State 12
33 Duquesne 11
34 Western Carolina 11
35 Illinois State 11
36 Liberty 11
37 Southeastern Louisiana 10
38 Charleston Southern 10
39 Colgate 6
40 Mercer 6
41 Montana State 4
42 Jacksonville 3
43 Eastern Illinois 2
44 Villanova 1
45 UC Davis 1
46 Valparaiso 0
47 UT Martin -1
48 Maine -1
49 Tennessee State -2
50 Towson -2
51 Butler -3
52 Northwestern State -4
53 Bryant -6
54 Albany -6
55 Holy Cross -6
57 Eastern Kentucky -8
58 The Citadel -9
59 Presbyterian -9
60 Dayton -10
61 Stephen F. Austin -10
62 Fordham -10
63 Campbell -11
64 Wagner -11
65 Southern Illinois -15
66 Rhode Island -15
67 Saint Francis -16
68 Sacred Heart -17
69 Chattanooga -17
70 Idaho State -18
71 Bucknell -20
72 Marist -20
73 East Tennessee State -21
74 Missouri State -21
75 William & Mary -21
76 Northern Colorado -23
77 Morehead State -24
78 North Dakota -24
79 Abilene Christian -24
80 Southeast Missouri State -25
81 Murray State -27
82 Gardner-Webb -31
83 Lafayette -32
84 Lamar -35
85 Incarnate Word -35
86 Tennessee Tech -36
87 Robert Morris -40
88 Stetson -40
89 Cal Poly San Luis Obispo -40
90 Houston Baptist -43
91 Indiana State -47
92 Davidson -49
93 Georgetown -51
94 Portland State -51
95 VMI -60

[mvemjsunpx]

A lot of people have Monmouth in their field & I'm curious as to why. They had a weak schedule, 2 bad losses, and nothing resembling a good win. If they'd played Kennesaw tough, then maybe, but they got their asses beat. Their resumé is, at best, equivalent to Columbia or Dartmouth—would either of those two get at-larges if they were eligible?

Assuming the committee also sees things that way, the question then revolves around who will benefit from Monmouth's omission.

[RootinFerDukes]

A lot of people have Monmouth in their field & I'm curious as to why. They had a weak schedule, 2 bad losses, and nothing resembling a good win. If they'd played Kennesaw tough, then maybe, but they got their asses beat. Their resumé is, at best, equivalent to Columbia or Dartmouth—would either of those two get at-larges if they were eligible?

Assuming the committee also sees things that way, the question then revolves around who will benefit from Monmouth's omission.

I agree that Monmouth has no business being in the field. McNeese and Austin Peay to lesser extents too.

Who benefits? A CAA team like Delaware.

[katss07]

Monmouth doesn’t belong. Austin Peay might not, but I think they get in. McNeese is much improved, and if this a bracket showcasing the top 24 FCS teams, they deserve a shot.

CAA teams like Elon, UNH, Delaware all benefit. Sac St and EWU do as well.

[Professor Chaos]

Monmouth doesn’t belong. Austin Peay might not, but I think they get in. McNeese is much improved, and if this a bracket showcasing the top 24 FCS teams, they deserve a shot.

CAA teams like Elon, UNH, Delaware all benefit. Sac St and EWU do as well.
Just curious why you think Monmouth doesn't belong but McNeese does? They're very close to each other in my eyes except McNeese has that D2 win and Monmouth has a bad loss (Albany). I'd probably say that bad loss for Monmouth gives McNeese the edge but it's not by much.

[ming01]

Elon at Delaware vs 1 JMU
San Diego at Weber St vs 8 SUU
McNeese at UNI vs 4 UCA
EWU at USD vs 5 SDSU

WIU at Samford vs 3 JSU
Lehigh at Stony Brook vs 6 SHSU
Kennesaw St at Furman vs 7 Wofford
CCSU at UNH vs 2 NDSU

[FargoBison]

I'm not exactly sold on Monmouth but Austin Peay doesn't pass the smell test either. They scheduled a bunch of FBS teams, lost to JSU by a decent margin and beat a few mediocre teams...not exactly much of a resume. The last teams in/out are a mess.

[Professor Chaos]

After looking at all these bubble teams when doing my poll ballot I think USD, Furman, and EWU are safe. I think McNeese, Delaware, and Monmouth are in but just by the skin of their teeth. I think UNH, NAU, Sac St, and APSU are all just barely on the outside looking in.

[katss07]

Just curious why you think Monmouth doesn't belong but McNeese does? They're very close to each other in my eyes except McNeese has that D2 win and Monmouth has a bad loss (Albany). I'd probably say that bad loss for Monmouth gives McNeese the edge but it's not by much.

I guess it’s not what I would do, but what I think the committee will do. McNeese is better SoS wise. They don’t have a good win, but Monmouth doesn’t have one either. I think the SLC is considered a better conference than the Big South, so that gives the Cowboys an edge. I think McNeese is one of the last four in, and Monmouth is maybe third or fourth out.

[Gangtackle11]

UNH 7-4 with their AD on the selection committee will be in the field before Delaware.

I think both will get in. Both schools will bid the $$$ that the NCAA likes.

[aceinthehole]

I agree that Monmouth has no business being in the field. McNeese and Austin Peay to lesser extents too.

Who benefits? A CAA team like Delaware.

Yep.

[BisonTru]

UNH 7-4 with their AD on the selection committee will be in the field before Delaware.

Being on the committee actually hurts. You can't argue for your own team. You can for conference mates, but not your own squad.

[Gangtackle11]

Being on the committee actually hurts. You can't argue for your own team. You can for conference mates, but not your own squad.

Maybe, but staring into the face of your voters all day doesn’t. Imho. 7-4 (5-3) are both UNH & Delaware. My $$$ is on UNH if only 1 gets in.

[katss07]

My money is on UNH if one gets in, although that crappy loss to Holy Cross won’t help.

[Professor Chaos]

I guess it’s not what I would do, but what I think the committee will do. McNeese is better SoS wise. They don’t have a good win, but Monmouth doesn’t have one either. I think the SLC is considered a better conference than the Big South, so that gives the Cowboys an edge. I think McNeese is one of the last four in, and Monmouth is maybe third or fourth out.
I don't think they do, nor should they, take conference affiliation into consideration when determining who the at-large invites should go to. That gets played into your resume when it comes to SoS though. I thought by just eyeballing it that Monmouth had about the same SoS as McNeese but I see they are slightly below based on both Sagarin and Massey so you're very likely right about McNeese being safer than Monmouth but I think both could be in.

To me it boils down to Monmouth or UNH. They had two common opponents this year in Albany and Holy Cross. They both lost to Albany (bad loss for both) but Monmouth beat Holy Cross easily whereas UNH was beaten easily by them. UNH has better wins in Elon and Georgia Southern but I think that Holy Cross loss will be (or at least should be) the nail in their coffin.

[FargoBison]

Hero Sports Bracket...
1. James Madison (11-0) vs. Stony Brook/CCSU
8. Western Illinois (8-3) vs. Elon/Samford


4. Central Arkansas (10-1) vs. Sam Houston/NAU
5. South Dakota State (9-2) vs. UNI/Austin Peay


3. Jacksonville State (10-1) vs. Kennesaw/Furman
6. Wofford (9-2) vs. Delaware/Lehigh


7. Southern Utah (9-2) vs. Weber St/San Diego
2. North Dakota State (10-1) vs. EWU/South Dakota




https://herosports.com/fcs/football-fcs-bracket-seeds-1st-round-games-november-18-2017-ajaj

[katss07]

Hero Sports Bracket...
1. James Madison (11-0) vs. Stony Brook/CCSU
8. Western Illinois (8-3) vs. Elon/Samford


4. Central Arkansas (10-1) vs. Sam Houston/NAU
5. South Dakota State (9-2) vs. UNI/Austin Peay


3. Jacksonville State (10-1) vs. Kennesaw/Furman
6. Wofford (9-2) vs. Delaware/Lehigh


7. Southern Utah (9-2) vs. Weber St/San Diego
2. North Dakota State (10-1) vs. EWU/South Dakota




https://herosports.com/fcs/football-fcs-bracket-seeds-1st-round-games-november-18-2017-ajaj

Hero Sports frustrates me. First, how is SHSU not a seed. The committee will surely give it to them. How is NAU still? No way they come to Huntsville next weekend. WIU has a seed? Okay but over Stony Brook? How is Woffy a 6? This literally makes zero sense. I hope this is his opinion and not what he thinks is going to happen. GD awful bracket from a typically reliable writer.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I look at all these brackets and shake my head as to little merit matters because of regionalization.

Like the Hero one...
How could the #1 overall seed have to play likely SBU (an acknowledged really good team) in the 2nd round while the #6 seed would face one of last at large bid teams or one of the 3 worst overall teams? Huh?!?!

[katss07]

I look at all these brackets and shake my head as to little merit matters because of regionalization.

Like the Hero one...
How could the #1 overall seed have to play likely SBU (an acknowledged really good team) in the 2nd round while the #6 seed would face one of last at large bid teams or one of the 3 worst overall teams? Huh?!?!

Hero Sports is a joke. I’m convinced it is not a serious bracket.

[FargoBison]

Hero Sports frustrates me. First, how is SHSU not a seed. The committee will surely give it to them. How is NAU still? No way they come to Huntsville next weekend. WIU has a seed? Okay but over Stony Brook? How is Woffy a 6? This literally makes zero sense. I hope this is his opinion and not what he thinks is going to happen. GD awful bracket from a typically reliable writer.

If you tweet him i'm sure he'll give you a legit response, which is more then I can say about another FCS national writer.

[katss07]

If you tweet him i'm sure he'll give you a legit response, which is more then I can say about another FCS national writer.

Who, Haley? I don’t use twitter, but I hear he has some sarcasm in his “tweets”. I trust Haley and the Nobowls guy much more. Both are very reliable IMO. Also, he gave the reason behind SHSU not getting a seed in his bracket, it just doesn’t make sense. I’m sure he can justify it, but the committee simply won’t drop them far.

[FargoBison]

I look at all these brackets and shake my head as to little merit matters because of regionalization.

Like the Hero one...
How could the #1 overall seed have to play likely SBU (an acknowledged really good team) in the 2nd round while the #6 seed would face one of last at large bid teams or one of the 3 worst overall teams? Huh?!?!

This has happened to NDSU mutliple times, mostly involving having to routinely play SDSU and another year it was a Montana rematch.

[FargoBison]

Who, Haley? I don’t use twitter, but I hear he has some sarcasm in his “tweets”. I trust Haley and the Nobowls guy much more. Both are very reliable IMO. Also, he gave the reason behind SHSU not getting a seed in his bracket, it just doesn’t make sense. I’m sure he can justify it, but the committee simply won’t drop them far.

Nobowls is the best in my opinion.

Not a Haley fan at all. The Hero guy is kind of new to bracketology so he is probably trying to figure it out, Haley though has never been good with it.

[BisonTru]

This is the murkiest bubble in recent history IMO. Tomorrow will be interesting.

[katss07]

Nobowls is the best in my opinion.

Not a Haley fan at all. The Hero guy is kind of new to bracketology so he is probably trying to figure it out, Haley though has never been good with it.

Nobowls is great. I doubt SHSU is a 7, but other than that his bracket is solid this time around. Always seems to be reliable. I tend to use Haley, but he may not be the best source. He has NDSU as a 3, which I passionately dissagree with.

[iBOsbu]

I like the STATS bracket for us. Monmouth@Stony Brook winner @ No. 8 seed Wofford. Our run would probably end at #1 JMU.

[dudeitsaid]

Nobowls is great. I doubt SHSU is a 7, but other than that his bracket is solid this time around. Always seems to be reliable. I tend to use Haley, but he may not be the best source. He has NDSU as a 3, which I passionately dissagree with.

NoBowls is problably as good as any...except I think it's off base with the Big Sky. No way the Big Sky deserves four teams this year, IMO. And, I know it's a homer call, but I really don't think NAU or UM deserve to get in over EWU. EWU owns the H2H over UM, and if EWU would've played the same non conference as UM, the results would've been very similar. Heck, EWU would be 9-2 right now! NAU has slumped to end the season, including getting beaten handily by SUU today by a wider margin than EWU did, lost to UM, and barely beat the team that beat UM today. EWU beat UM and the team that beat UM today, as well as played a winnable game against Weber, while UM got thumped. Thankfully, it's the only bracket I've seen so far that leaves EWU out while putting UM and NAU in.

Not that EWU is going to make much noise in the playoffs this year...too much inconsistancy, defense continues to struggle much of the time, many key injuries to important contributors.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Add CSJ's to the Bracketology Mix:

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/fcs-playoffs-til-i-die-projecting-the-2017-fcsplayoff-field-11-19-2017/

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I also did a Lehigh-themed view as to what to look for in the selection show:

https://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2017/11/what-to-look-for-on-sunday-for-fcs.html

I'm going to be looking right off the bat as to whether Stony Brook is seeded. If they are, I think it is an leading indicator of the rest of the bracket. (Personally, I think Sam Houston will be the final seed.)

[mvemjsunpx]

NoBowls is problably as good as any...except I think it's off base with the Big Sky. No way the Big Sky deserves four teams this year, IMO. And, I know it's a homer call, but I really don't think NAU or UM deserve to get in over EWU. EWU owns the H2H over UM, and if EWU would've played the same non conference as UM, the results would've been very similar. Heck, EWU would be 9-2 right now! NAU has slumped to end the season, including getting beaten handily by SUU today by a wider margin than EWU did, lost to UM, and barely beat the team that beat UM today. EWU beat UM and the team that beat UM today, as well as played a winnable game against Weber, while UM got thumped. Thankfully, it's the only bracket I've seen so far that leaves EWU out while putting UM and NAU in.

Not that EWU is going to make much noise in the playoffs this year...too much inconsistancy, defense continues to struggle much of the time, many key injuries to important contributors.

I think that was NoBowls's old bracket. The current one has EWU in and NAU & Montana as the first two out.

[th0m]

Elon at Delaware vs 1 JMU
San Diego at Weber St vs 8 SUU
McNeese at UNI vs 4 UCA
EWU at USD vs 5 SDSU

WIU at Samford vs 3 JSU
Lehigh at Stony Brook vs 6 SHSU
Kennesaw St at Furman vs 7 Wofford
CCSU at UNH vs 2 NDSU

I'd be shocked if the CAA still got five in. And no way they will pair up 3 CAA teams in that one first/second round path like you have with elon/ud vs jmu.

[phoenix3]

Samford v. Elon is just barely not a bus trip at 470ish miles.

Even though they definitely were a bus trip when they played in the same conference...

Not literally, Elon always flew to Birmingham.

[katss07]

Happy Selection Sunday! One of best days of the year (for some teams, not for SFA).

Few questions, wanted to see what everyone thought. Who are your last 4 out teams?

[Professor Chaos]

Happy Selection Sunday! One of best days of the year (for some teams, not for SFA).

Few questions, wanted to see what everyone thought. Who are your last 4 out teams?
For me: UNH, NAU, Sac St, APSU

[katss07]

For me: UNH, NAU, Sac St, APSU

Is Delaware in your field?

[Professor Chaos]

Is Delaware in your field?
Yep, last 4 in for me would be EWU, Delaware, McNeese, and Monmouth.

[RabidRabbit]

Projected NoBowls bracket violates having all 5 MVFC teams on same side.

[RabidRabbit]

First 4 out for me, UNH, NAU, DEL, MONMOUTH

[Cocky]

My thing with JSU is when the committee sits down and looks at the entire body of work each team has. NDSU will stand out...JSU has one good thing going in no FCS losses but they don't really have any big wins to hang their hat on.


JSU just held a team to under 100 yards of offense. The team also beat a team tied for the lead of the SunBelt Conference. Seen several on here pumping up the MVC wins against CCU and Bowling Green so surely a win over a FBS conference leader is worth a little.

[mvemjsunpx]

Based on my AGS ballot…

Last 6 in: Furman, EWU, Delaware, Montana, Sac State, Austin Peay
First 6 out: South Dakota, NAU, Nicholls, McNeese, New Hampshire, Monmouth


I'm really not expecting it to play out this way, but that's what the dartboard I vote with each week tells me should happen.

[katss07]

Based on my AGS ballot…

Last 6 in: Furman, EWU, Delaware, Montana, Sac State, Austin Peay
First 6 out: South Dakota, NAU, Nicholls, McNeese, New Hampshire, Monmouth


I'm really not expecting it to play out this way, but that's what the dartboard I vote with each week tells me should happen.

Wow! Austin Peay in but USD out?? Bold move. I don’t see it happening IMO, simply based on the Coyotes SoS.

[JSUSoutherner]

Based on my AGS ballot…

Last 6 in: Furman, EWU, Delaware, Montana, Sac State, Austin Peay
First 6 out: South Dakota, NAU, Nicholls, McNeese, New Hampshire, Monmouth


I'm really not expecting it to play out this way, but that's what the dartboard I vote with each week tells me should happen.
I didn't base my poll on my bracket prediction.

If anyone ranked Lehigh they should have their voting privileges revoked permanently.

[mvemjsunpx]

Wow! Austin Peay in but USD out?? Bold move. I don’t see it happening IMO, simply based on the Coyotes SoS.

SoDak has lost 4 of 5. The fact they were blown out by NDSU (instead of a tough loss) really hurts them, IMO. I think the rape-arrest thing has really affected their play.

[mvemjsunpx]

I didn't base my poll on my bracket prediction.

If anyone ranked Lehigh they should have their voting privileges revoked permanently.

I think you're reading me backwards. My list above wasn't my bracket prediction, but how I think the bracket should go if my AGS ballot was deciding it.

[Cocky]

Arguing on behalf of SD would be a tough task today.

[JSUSoutherner]

I think you're reading me backwards. My list above wasn't my bracket prediction, but how I think the bracket should go if my AGS ballot was deciding it.

Gotcha.

[kalm]

McNeese is 8-2 plus a DII win. SoS is 77. Best wins: 6-5 SELA 7-3 Alcorn State
Monmouth SoS is 88. Best wins: 6-5 Libery, 6-5 CSU
APSU is 8-1 against FCS. SoS is 41 (skewed by 3 FBS games) Best wins: 6-5 EIU, 6-5 UTM, 6-5 TNST

UD's win over SBU and Richmond and 20th SoS should move them ahead of these three.

UNH's wins against Georgia Southern and Elon and 38th SoS should move them ahead of these three.

NAU's wins against ISUr and Sac State and 13th SoS should move them ahead of these three.

Furman's wins against WCU and Colgate and 37th SoS should move them ahead of these three.

Montana and Sac are also close but each needed one more quality win.

[Professor Chaos]

Arguing on behalf of SD would be a tough task today.
I don't think it would be. With the rest of the teams of the bubble that lost yesterday USD is in a pretty good spot. Losing streak or no losing streak I don't see how you can put 7-4 teams like Delaware, UNH, NAU, or Sac St in ahead of USD and that's who would have to replace them in the field.

[katss07]

I don’t know if I am thinking about things that have never happened, but I think the committee released the top 4 seeds like 30 minutes before the show. Am I correct? I think it was on one of their social media outlets.

[GoBlueHens83]

I don't envy the Selection Committees job picking the last few teams for the bracket this year. Between the weaker 8 or 9 win teams, and the stronger 7-4 teams that couldn't be bothered to win their 8th game yesterday, it can't be an easy job.

[Cocky]

Is the playoffs about the best team or the best SOS?

Appears more people are arguing SOS and not about the quality of the team. Hell I got my ass whupped by the baddest guy at the bar one night but I dont believe I was the second baddest dude there afterwards. I did have the best SOS among the blackeyed crowd.

[RabidRabbit]

JSU just held a team to under 100 yards of offense. The team also beat a team tied for the lead of the SunBelt Conference. Seen several on here pumping up the MVC wins against CCU and Bowling Green so surely a win over a FBS conference leader is worth a little.
Cocky - Only see Georgia Tech on schedule as FBS. LIBERTY is at best an independent transitional. No Sunbelch teams on your schedule.

[kalm]

Is the playoffs about the best team or the best SOS?

Yes.

[JSUSoutherner]

Cocky - Only see Georgia Tech on schedule as FBS. LIBERTY is at best an independent transitional. No Sunbelch teams on your schedule.

We held Tennessee State under 100 yards of offense. Tennessee State beat Georgia State (sunbelt leader) in their house.

[Cocky]

I don't think it would be. With the rest of the teams of the bubble that lost yesterday USD is in a pretty good spot. Losing streak or no losing streak I don't see how you can put 7-4 teams like Delaware, UNH, NAU, or Sac St in ahead of USD and that's who would have to replace them in the field.
NAU and SD against common opponents split thou in different directions. NAU has one less FCS loss.
UNH has an FBS win (not a good one), a bad loss, a playoff team win and a couple of playoff team losses. SD has and FBS win (not a good one), an average loss, a playoff team win and three playoff team losses.
Sac St has a FBS loss, no bad losses (not sure as a couple are bubble teams) and the best win of any mentioned. SD read above.

SD recent losses are really the only thing to separate the crowd and any and all negatives will be used. After looking at these teams Sac St is looking better to me but dont see them in either.

[Daytripper]

It's hard for me to see a second SLC team getting a seed over a 9-win CAA team (Stony Brook).

You do mean a second at-large and not just a second team, right? With all of the bubble team losses, I don't think you can keep McNeese out as a third SLC team.

[JSUSoutherner]

You do mean a second at-large and not just a second team, right? With all of the bubble team losses, I don't think you can keep McNeese out as a third SLC team.
No, he means you guys shouldn't be Seeded over Stony Brook. :D

[Cocky]

Cocky - Only see Georgia Tech on schedule as FBS. LIBERTY is at best an independent transitional. No Sunbelch teams on your schedule.
Tn State beat GSU who is/ was (havent checked today) tied for the SunBelt lead.

[Mattymc727]

UNH doesn’t deserve it, but you can bet your bottom dollar the committee might stick them in so they can send CCSU there on a short bus trip

[Daytripper]

No, he means you guys shouldn't be Seeded over Stony Brook. :D

Duh! I went back and re-read it. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Disagree, though.

[JSUSoutherner]

Duh! I went back and re-read it. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Disagree, though.

I disagree as well. If their FCS loss was to the Dukes rather than the Hens I could get behind it though.

[BisonTru]

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/2017-final-ags-bracket-projection/https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/e/2PACX-1vR7vqF4C2SVehscCHVqBQ33M4uAziUsQiMhTOkTz4u8RQaMJq 8crCO5y9cbVLdIHtJHe3_9-8ZLYiKd/pub?w=1440&h=1080

Read more: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/2017-final-ags-bracket-projection/

[UNHWildcat18]

UNH doesn’t deserve it, but you can bet your bottom dollar the committee might stick them in so they can send CCSU there on a short bus trip

I can't wait for everyone to freak out when UNH gets into the bracket as the 4th CAA team

[Cocky]

I can't wait for everyone to freak out when UNH gets into the bracket as the 4th CAA team

Dont think I will freak out on anything this year. Someone deserving will stay home as too many teams on the bubble.

[UNHWildcat18]

Dont think I will freak out on anything this year. Someone deserving will stay home as too many teams on the bubble.

Truth

[Redbird 4th & short]

Post your brackets.

Here's mine.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26553&stc=1

Last four in: Austin Peay, McNeese St, Monmouth, Eastern Washington

First four out: Northern Arizona, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire

Next four out: Illinois State, Nicholls St, Western Carolina, Sacramento St

not bad except Austin Peay shouldn't even be in playoff discussion .. they have zero quality wins. Beat 7 average to bad teams by average of 9 points. Ignoring their 3 FBS losses, there isn't a single impressive win .. oh wait, they did blow out 1 team ... #119 Morehead St, who lost got blown out by #112 Butler by 38 .. who we beat by 45 .. so if Austin Peay is in then ISUr deserves a bid too !!! xdrunkyx

Also over-rated ... Monmouth, McNeese St, Nicholls St, and UNH .. but we know their AD is on committee and carries a lot of influence.

[Professor Chaos]

NAU and SD against common opponents split thou in different directions. NAU has one less FCS loss.
UNH has an FBS win (not a good one), a bad loss, a playoff team win and a couple of playoff team losses. SD has and FBS win (not a good one), an average loss, a playoff team win and three playoff team losses.
Sac St has a FBS loss, no bad losses (not sure as a couple are bubble teams) and the best win of any mentioned. SD read above.

SD recent losses are really the only thing to separate the crowd and any and all negatives will be used. After looking at these teams Sac St is looking better to me but dont see them in either.
Win over WIU is better than any on those bubble teams except Sac St. They also have decent wins over Bowling Green like you mentioned but also Youngstown St who finished 6-5. They have no bad losses but Illinois St sure isn't a great one. UNH and Delaware both have multiple losses worse than that. McNeese and Monmouth don't have the quality wins. USD is definitely a flawed playoff team but they have legit arguments over any bubble team. The only argument against is them losing their last 3 but I'd bet good money that any of those bubble teams would've lost those last 3 also and I bet they wouldn't have held a 2nd half lead in two of them like USD did.

[UNHWildcat18]

not bad except Austin Peay shouldn't even be in playoff discussion .. they have zero quality wins. Beat 7 average to bad teams by average of 9 points. Ignoring their 3 FBS losses, there isn't a single impressive win .. oh wait, they did blow out 1 team ... #119 Morehead St, who lost got blown out by #112 Butler by 38 .. who we beat by 45 .. so if Austin Peay is in then ISUr deserves a bid too !!! xdrunkyx

Also over-rated ... Monmouth, McNeese St, Nicholls St, and UNH .. but we know their AD is on committee and carries a lot of influence.

Can't forget EWU Elon Furman, also overrated. Might as well just have the top 8 seeds play for it

[aceinthehole]

I can't wait for everyone to freak out when UNH gets into the bracket as the 4th CAA team

Yep, that how I see it. 14-years in a row and some people on this board won't be happy. You guys will be one if the "last 4 in" based on wins vs Georia Southern and Elon, despite the HC loss. The Albany loss hurts, but that hangs around Monmouth's neck too.

[caribbeanhen]

I can't wait for everyone to freak out when UNH gets into the bracket as the 4th CAA team

nope, it's actually expected with your cronies running the selection ......

[caribbeanhen]

We held Tennessee State under 100 yards of offense. Tennessee State beat Georgia State (sunbelt leader) in their house.

big deal

[The Kicker]

Didn't spend a bunch of time on this but here is what I got.

1. James Madison (Lehigh vs Central Connecticut)
8. Stony Brook (Wofford vs New Hampshire)
5. South Dakota St (South Dakota vs Weber State)
4. Jacksonville St (Elon vs Monmouth)
3. Central Arkansas (Northern Iowa vs Kennesaw St)
6. Southern Utah (Western Illinois vs McNeese State )
7. Sam Houston St (San Diego vs Northern Arizona)
2. North Dakota St (Eastern Washington vs Samford)

First teams out
Furman
Austin Peay
Montana
Delaware
Sacramento State

[BisonTru]

not bad except Austin Peay shouldn't even be in playoff discussion .. they have zero quality wins. Beat 7 average to bad teams by average of 9 points. Ignoring their 3 FBS losses, there isn't a single impressive win .. oh wait, they did blow out 1 team ... #119 Morehead St, who lost got blown out by #112 Butler by 38 .. who we beat by 45 .. so if Austin Peay is in then ISUr deserves a bid too !!! xdrunkyx

Also over-rated ... Monmouth, McNeese St, Nicholls St, and UNH .. but we know their AD is on committee and carries a lot of influence.

I don't disagree with you I think Austin Peay, Monmouth, and McNeese have a very suspect slate of wins against poor competition. But my first 6 out all finished on the season losing. Any of them winning this final weekend would have bumped them in and one of those teams out.

[McNeese72]

The only bracket that means anything is the one we are going to see in about 30 minutes. ;)

Doc

[BisonTru]

Didn't spend a bunch of time on this but here is what I got.

1. James Madison (Lehigh vs Central Connecticut)
8. Stony Brook (Wofford vs New Hampshire)
5. South Dakota St (South Dakota vs Weber State)
4. Jacksonville St (Elon vs Monmouth)
3. Central Arkansas (Northern Iowa vs Kennesaw St)
6. Southern Utah (Western Illinois vs McNeese State )
7. Sam Houston St (San Diego vs Northern Arizona)
2. North Dakota St (Eastern Washington vs Samford)

First teams out
Furman
Austin Peay
Montana
Delaware
Sacramento State

Not bad. I think Furman is in, IMO. Your bracket in reality would need more regionalization right wrong or indifferent. I also think Wofford is a lock for seed and Stony Brook is out as a seed. Stony Brook needed a hail mary to avoid a loss yesterday.

[Professor Chaos]

@NCAA_FCS just announced the top 4 in no particular order on twitter. UCA, JSU, JMU, NDSU. No surprises.

[Henny]

There's a legitimate counter for Delaware vs UNH with every game except performance against Towson. Delaware should be in before UNH and that doesn't even the attendance UD gets over them.

[katss07]

Didn't spend a bunch of time on this but here is what I got.

1. James Madison (Lehigh vs Central Connecticut)
8. Stony Brook (Wofford vs New Hampshire)
5. South Dakota St (South Dakota vs Weber State)
4. Jacksonville St (Elon vs Monmouth)
3. Central Arkansas (Northern Iowa vs Kennesaw St)
6. Southern Utah (Western Illinois vs McNeese State )
7. Sam Houston St (San Diego vs Northern Arizona)
2. North Dakota St (Eastern Washington vs Samford)

First teams out
Furman
Austin Peay
Montana
Delaware
Sacramento State

I get the SoS agreement against SHSU, but the committee won’t put SUU ahead of SHSU. Kats were 5 in their last poll. The Kats have done nothing that makes them need to move up or down. Other than that, this looks good.

I still think Montana gets in though.

[Cocky]

@NCAA_FCS just announced the top 4 in no particular order on twitter. UCA, JSU, UNI, NDSU. No surprises.
no JMU its not April 1

[Professor Chaos]

no JMU its not April 1
Stupid phone autocorrect. JMU not UNI. I fixed it.

[WrenFGun]

There's a legitimate counter for Delaware vs UNH with every game except performance against Towson. Delaware should be in before UNH and that doesn't even the attendance UD gets over them.

I think Delaware deserves it more, but IMO, the x-factor might be the FBS win. Delaware beat Albany and Stony Brook, UNH beat Towson and an FBS. We'll see what matters more. I suspect one gets in.

[The Kicker]

I get the SoS agreement against SHSU, but the committee won’t put SUU ahead of SHSU. Kats were 5 in their last poll. The Kats have done nothing that makes them need to move up or down. Other than that, this looks good.

I still think Montana gets in though.

SHSU is a paper tiger, the first good team they play they will be exposed. The D3 team they played yesterday played punch for punch with them after the first quarter. SHSU won't hold any playoff team under 30 and will be in big trouble if they have to play a team that has an above average defense. I had them at 7 because all those teams ahead of them would blow them out IMO

[katss07]

SHSU is a paper tiger, the first good team they play they will be exposed. The D3 team they played yesterday played punch for punch with them after the first quarter. SHSU won't hold any playoff team under 30 and will be in big trouble if they have to play a team that has an above average defense. I had them at 7 because all those teams ahead of them would blow them out IMO

Maybe. Nicholls and Richmond are good teams though. I agree most teams you have ahead of us have a good chance of beating us. I think we could beat UCA and JSU though.

[caribbeanhen]

I think Delaware deserves it more, but IMO, the x-factor might be the FBS win. Delaware beat Albany and Stony Brook, UNH beat Towson and an FBS. We'll see what matters more. I suspect one gets in.

coin flip goes to UNH...... 2 headed coin

[katss07]

UNH is in! SHSU a 6?!?! Heck yeah! Anything is better than Fargo.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

UNH in at home again, and againt the NEC Champs!! they have FCS by the balls.

[katss07]

Nicholls!!!!!!!!!!

[DirtyDukes]

Nicholls???? LOL

[katss07]

EWU where you at?

[PaladinFan]

Furman in against Elon.

After seeing UNH, Nicholls, and Monmouth, I thought we were screwed.

[GoBlueHens83]

It always pays to have a representative on the committee.

[Serpentor]

Nicholls I guess... xdrunkyx

[WrenFGun]

CCSU is going to be the most popular team in the field. Stunned.

[kdinva]

Monmouth, yes............Delaware, out.....McNeese, out.....

[katss07]

Okay, so we have teams like Monmouth, UNH, Nicholls, NAU and Furman in. But no Eastern Washington, Austin Peay or Montana? Go figure. Interesting bracket. Not many people could have predicted this one...

[longtimemocfan]

Furman is in.... Get rewarded with re-match against Elon.

[caribbeanhen]

coin flip goes to UNH...... 2 headed coin

told ya so.... besides after yesterday, it's better the Hens stay home

[aceinthehole]

UNH in at home again, and againt the NEC Champs!! they have FCS by the balls.

Please, if you entered with a winning record maybe you would of been sent to UNH instead of Stony Brook.

I promise you CCSU will fair far better against New Hampshire than Lehigh did last year! :)

[GoBlueHens83]

told ya so.... besides after yesterday, it's better the Hens stay home

That beating that Holy Cross gave UNH must have been impressive.

[Bison56]

Jay Walker is an idiot.

[Mattymc727]

Marty Scarano has to have compromising photos of the rest of the selection committee. We get a break every year!

I knew that short bus ride for CCSU was too tasty for the NCAA

[katss07]

JMU region is brutal. Stony Brook, JMU, Southern Utah, Western Illinois, Weber, Lehigh.

Who doesn’t fit?

[RootinFerDukes]

That entire field is a flaming pile of hot ****ing garbage. It's like the committee compiled a list of bubble teams and even teams nowhere near the bubble and then picked the 8 bottom teams on that list. Multiple teams in that field that have no business being in there.

[tomq04]

That's a huge puke face for me. Everything went right for EWU, did they watch the rest of the bubble teams yesterday? Nicholls, NAU, and Monmouth are all in! Ugh Ugh.

I feel like EWU, Mcneese, and Austin Pea should be replacing those 3.

[Rabbit3467]

Jay Walker is an idiot.This

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[katss07]

Why is Monmouth here? Why is Nicholls here. I thought those two were done. How? The bubble was so strong this year. Oh well, I guess we get a tematch with NSU in round 2.

[Bisonator]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya! xlolx

[GoBlueHens83]

Jay Walker is an idiot.

Turned it off after the bracket was complete and he started talking.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Please, if you entered with a winning record maybe you would of been sent to UNH instead of Stony Brook.

I promise you CCSU will fair far better against New Hampshire than Lehigh did last year! :)

Lehigh deserves to face a much better opponent in SBU.

UNH gets every benefit of the doubt. I don't get how one of the very last at larges, I'm guessing, gets a home, against one of the weakest teams in the field and then gets the #4 seed in round 2..l..lol

I have nothing against UNH but dating back to the Towson debacle in 2012 something smells fishy....

Gee I would hope you fair better than 43 points. Likely not much better though....

[gsf23nd]

Jay Walker is an idiot.

How is that any different than the last 10 years...

[Ud1Hens]

Delaware didn't deserve a bid. Neither did half the at large teams. That being said, how much longer is UNH's AD on the selection committee? Obviously he leaves the room when talking UNH but no doubt he lobbied hard against Delaware...I would too. How much longer is he able to cash in these selection committee vouchers.

[X-Factor]

That entire field is a flaming pile of hot ****ing garbage. It's like the committee compiled a list of bubble teams and even teams nowhere near the bubble and then picked the 8 bottom teams on that list. Multiple teams in that field that have no business being in there.


Huh?

[FargoBison]

Why is Monmouth here? Why is Nicholls here. I thought those two were done. How? The bubble was so strong this year. Oh well, I guess we get a tematch with NSU in round 2.

A lot of us were picking Monmouth last night....Odd to me that they get in but McNeese doesn't. No idea how EWU was left out.

[Iridebikes]

That's a huge puke face for me. Everything went right for EWU, did they watch the rest of the bubble teams yesterday? Nicholls, NAU, and Monmouth are all in! Ugh Ugh.

I feel like EWU, Mcneese, and Austin Pea should be replacing those 3.

Agreeing with you. NAU gets in with a two game loosing streak and a weaker SOS then EWU. New Hampshire gets after loosing their last game in a shut out to a team with a loosing record. Somebody on this committee is not paying attention to whats happening in FCS football

[th0m]

Easy bracket for ndsu to frisco holy smokes

[GoBlueHens83]

A lot of us were picking Monmouth last night....Odd to me that they get in but McNeese doesn't. No idea how EWU was left out.

I was genuinely surprised McNeese State was left out. EWU also.

[DirtyDukes]

Jay Walker is an idiot.

Literally the stupidest c*** on the planet. Every year we have to put up with his garbage

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Yeah committee clearly giving NDSU an easy road to Frisco

[FargoBison]

EWU and McNeese not even in the first two out.

APSU and UD were.

[dwtime]

UNH in at home again, and againt the NEC Champs!! they have FCS by the balls.

Says a fan from a team that is in with a losing record...............Need I say more?

[ming01]

Jmu may have toughest 2nd rd opponent

[ElCid]

Plus K State/Samford and Furman/Elon are both short trips. Both rematches of non conf foes, where both were close games,....might be interesting.

Called it.

[Mattymc727]

Every year we get bitching a moaning. There are 8 teams that have a shot to win the championship. Who cares about the rest?

[RootinFerDukes]

The committee chair all but said they picked certain teams just due to geographic proximity. They wanted CCSU/UNH, Nicholls/SHSU, etc. What a complete ****ing joke. Why even have a postseason?

[dwtime]

Every year we get bitching a moaning. There are 8 teams that have a shot to win the championship. Who cares about the rest?

xnodx

[aceinthehole]

The committee chair all but said they picked certain teams just due to geographic proximity. They wanted CCSU/UNH, Nicholls/SHSU, etc. What a complete ****ing joke. Why even have a postseason?

That's not exactly what he said.

Step 1: Pick the at-larges based on results/ranking/etc.
Step 2: Bracket the teams based on NCAA guidance

They don't pick at-large teams based on matchups, although they do seem to want to create some regional balance (as he mentioned they use regional rankings), but that is before they bracket.

[RootinFerDukes]

Easy bracket for ndsu to frisco holy smokes

Not as easy as it would've been if the AGS top 8 held true to their seeds. At least they have to play JSU now.

[alvin.kmiec]

How do you let a 5-6 team in and leave out a 9-2 team? McNeese got screwed big time.


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[GoBlueHens83]

How do you let a 5-6 team in and leave out a 9-2 team? McNeese got screwed big time.


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Lehigh had an Auto-bid.

[RootinFerDukes]

Jmu may have toughest 2nd rd opponent

Yeah we're essentially facing the #9 team in the 2nd round. I think that was the case last year too when we played UNH in the 2nd round. They were 9-12 range if I recollect.

[alvin.kmiec]

Lehigh had an Auto-bid.

With a 5-6 record?


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[The Kicker]

Few takes. Nicholls State I did not even have close to getting in. Think Eastern Washington should have been in the field in their place. The top half of the bracket WOW! Going to be war to make it through that side. After years of having a hard path NDSU gets a easy road to the championship. Best of luck to all the teams, time to start looking at first round matchups and fill out the bracket.

[ecasadoSBU]

I felt like SBU deserved a seed. Oh well. It is what it is.

On to Lehigh

[RootinFerDukes]

Every year we get bitching a moaning. There are 8 teams that have a shot to win the championship. Who cares about the rest?

Then make it an 8 team field and stop wasting time and money.

[TennBison]

How do you let a 5-6 team in and leave out a 9-2 team? McNeese got screwed big time.


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You can thank the almighty Patriot League autobid for the whole ****storm.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yeah we're essentially facing the #9 team in the 2nd round. I think that was the case last year too when we played UNH in the 2nd round. They were 9-12 range if I recollect.

I don't think UNH was in the Top 15. They might not have been in the Top 20. Lehigh was definitely the higher ranked team in the AGS, Stats, Coaches Poll.

[dustinthorn93]

Yeah we're essentially facing the #9 team in the 2nd round. I think that was the case last year too when we played UNH in the 2nd round. They were 9-12 range if I recollect.

I think Southern Utah got it worse though. The most polls have BOTH WIU and Weber in the top 12.

[RootinFerDukes]

That's not exactly what he said.

Step 1: Pick the at-larges based on results/ranking/etc.
Step 2: Bracket the teams based on NCAA guidance

They don't pick at-large teams based on matchups, although they do seem to want to create some regional balance (as he mentioned they use regional rankings), but that is before they bracket.

It's naive to think certain teams weren't picked as at-large berths because of the potential for the NCAA to save money. It happens every year.

[alvin.kmiec]

I feel if you can’t have at least a above .500 record you don’t belong in the playoffs.


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[TennBison]

Then make it an 8 team field and stop wasting time and money.
I agree with cutting down the field, but I would go with the top 16 teams, no autobids, just the 16 highest ranked teams and no BS. Every team gets a one week bye before the first round starts and a one week rest between the semis and the championship.

[GoBlueHens83]

With a 5-6 record?


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They won the Patriot league AQ with a 5-1 Conference record.

[TennBison]

I feel if you can’t have at least a above .500 record you don’t belong in the playoffs.


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I would go one further, you need to have a winning record IMO.

[alvin.kmiec]

they won the Patriot league AQ with a 5-1 Conference record.

So they lost all of their non-conference games. WOW!!


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[TennBison]

I agree with cutting down the field, but I would go with the top 16 teams, no autobids, just the 16 highest ranked teams and no BS. Every team gets a one week bye before the first round starts and a one week rest between the semis and the championship.
​Oh, and the championship game will be moved to Hawaii, with all expenses for the fans being picked up by the NCAA, thus resulting in capacity crowds at Aloha Stadium. Motto for the week would be sunburn and funny little beach drinks for everyone.

[TennBison]

So they lost all of their non-conference games. WOW!!


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Take a look at their OOC games and you will say wow twice.

[BisonTru]

It's naive to think certain teams weren't picked as at-large berths because of the potential for the NCAA to save money. It happens every year.

Sorry man, but it's naive to think a bunch of commissioners are letting at larges in just to save the NCAA money. The NCAA wants to save money that's why they set up regionalization. The committee has no incentive beyond what they are handcuffed to by the NCAA's guidelines.

It's not like they get a bonus or their schools will get an extra check if this tournament makes an extra buck.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Take a look at their OOC games and you will say wow twice.

Lehigh actually played a pretty solid OOC schedule. Perhaps too good...lol

Yale and Monmouth are in the AGS Final Top 25. Yale is damn good. Penn is solid and Villanova is always a tough out. The horrific loss is Wagner.

[alvin.kmiec]

​Oh, and the championship game will be moved to Hawaii, with all expenses for the fans being picked up by the NCAA, thus resulting in capacity crowds at Aloha Stadium. Motto for the week would be sunburn and funny little beach drinks for everyone.

Hell yes start the boat and load up.🤠


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[Serpentor]

With a 5-6 record?


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The Seattle Seahawks used to make the playoffs with a 7-9 record. Play in a weak conference, you can slip in with a losing record.

[alvin.kmiec]

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🙄


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[RootinFerDukes]

Sorry man, but it's naive to think a bunch of commissioners are letting at larges in just to save the NCAA money. The NCAA wants to save money that's why they set up regionalization. The committee has no incentive beyond what they are handcuffed to by the NCAA's guidelines.

It's not like they get a bonus or their schools will get an extra check if this tournament makes an extra buck.

You're post attempting to counter me actually confirmed my point.

[alvin.kmiec]

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Dang that is scary.


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[BisonTru]

You're post attempting to counter me actually confirmed my point.

Sounds good, man. Just remember the shiny side goes up. xthumbsupx

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

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Dang that is scary.


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I watched it with my own eyes. One of the worst defenses you'll ever see! But the offense is legit...lol

[aceinthehole]

Lehigh actually played a pretty solid OOC schedule. Perhaps too good...lol

Yale and Monmouth are in the AGS Final Top 25. Yale is damn good. Penn is solid and Villanova is always a tough out. The horrific loss is Wagner.

Really, you think Lehigh played a tough schedule - you have got to be kidding? CCSU played a much tougher schedule (@ Syracuse, @ Youngstown State, vs. Penn)

Common opponents for CCSU-Lehigh this season:

Penn (Ivy) - CCSU W, 42-21 / Lehigh L, 65-47
Wagner (NEC) - CCSU W, 51-45 (ot) / Lehigh L, 37-20
Fordham (Patriot) - CCSU L, 38-31 / Lehigh L, 45-35

So CCSU is 2-1 and Lehigh is 0-3 vs common opponents this year. That's pretty bad.

Syracuse and YSU are much better than the best 2 games on Lehigh's schedule (Yale and Monmouth).

CCSU is riding a 8-game winning streak and Lehigh backs into the playoffs with a losing record.

Lehigh is possible the worst playoff team in the last decade and CCSU is nowhere near the worst AQ qualifier in recent memory.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It's naive to think certain teams weren't picked as at-large berths because of the potential for the NCAA to save money. It happens every year.

The NCAA doesn't select em' as I pointed out yesterday and Tru did in this section and if you ever actually speak with a member of a selection committee and they tell you how it actually works then let me know. I've spoken with one several times and we also interviewed another one on our show a couple years back and and basically by proxy they say your conspiracies are bull****. How does it benefit them in any way?

It is stated explicitly by both men that the NCAA does not in anyway put their finger on the scale outside of the rules in the handbook that we can all read if we choose to.

[UNHWildcat18]

Really, you think Lehigh played a tough schedule - you have got to be kidding? CCSU played a much tougher schedule (@ Syracuse, @ Youngstown State, vs. Penn)

Common opponents for CCSU-Lehigh this season:

Penn (Ivy) - CCSU W, 42-21 / Lehigh L, 65-47
Wagner (NEC) - CCSU W, 51-45 (ot) / Lehigh L, 37-20
Fordham (Patriot) - CCSU L, 38-31 / Lehigh L, 45-35

So CCSU is 2-1 and Lehigh is 0-3 vs common opponents this year. That's pretty bad.

Syracuse and YSU are much better than the best 2 games on Lehigh's schedule (Yale and Monmouth).

CCSU is riding a 8-game winning streak and Lehigh backs into the playoffs with a losing record.

Lehigh is possible the worst playoff team in the last decade and CCSU is nowhere near the worst AQ qualifier in recent memory.

Game Set Match

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Really, you think Lehigh played a tough schedule - you have got to be kidding? CCSU played a much tougher schedule (@ Syracuse, @ Youngstown State, vs. Penn)

Common opponents for CCSU-Lehigh this season:

Penn (Ivy) - CCSU W, 42-21 / Lehigh L, 65-47
Wagner (NEC) - CCSU W, 51-45 (ot) / Lehigh L, 37-20
Fordham (Patriot) - CCSU L, 38-31 / Lehigh L, 45-35

So CCSU is 2-1 and Lehigh is 0-3 vs common opponents this year. That's pretty bad.

Syracuse and YSU are much better than the best 2 games on Lehigh's schedule (Yale and Monmouth).

CCSU is riding a 8-game winning streak and Lehigh backs into the playoffs with a losing record.

Lehigh is possible the worst playoff team in the last decade and CCSU is nowhere near the worst AQ qualifier in recent memory.

Ace,
You clearly have an ax to grind with Lehigh and PL. That's been apparent over the years. I never brought up CCSU or the NEC. You constantly troll the PL. I simply said Lehigh played a "pretty tough OOC schedule". Which by an objective measure they did.

Maybe Temple can get CCSU for a home coming game....

[TennBison]

Lehigh actually played a pretty solid OOC schedule. Perhaps too good...lol

Yale and Monmouth are in the AGS Final Top 25. Yale is damn good. Penn is solid and Villanova is always a tough out. The horrific loss is Wagner.
Both of those teams are a top 25 based on what. Monmouth, even with a good record is a low ranked team. 9-2 and came close to not making the playoffs due to very weak schedule ( which amazingly included Lehigh), and where is Yale? Teams being solid according to who?

[RootinFerDukes]

The NCAA doesn't select em' as I pointed out yesterday and Tru did in this section and if you ever actually speak with a member of a selection committee and they tell you how it actually works then let me know. I've spoken with one several times and we also interviewed another one on our show a couple years back and and basically by proxy they say your conspiracies are bull****. How does it benefit them in any way?

It is stated explicitly by both men that the NCAA does not in anyway put their finger on the scale outside of the rules in the handbook that we can all read if we choose to.

Well then they just completely dropped the ball by picking a significant amount of undeserving teams? There's little legitimate argument to put Monmouth, Nicholls and UNH in before 4-5 other teams left out. This might be one of the worst years I've seen in terms of their picks "making sense" compared to others left out.

[aceinthehole]

Ace,
You clearly have an ax to grind with Lehigh and PL. That's been apparent over the years. I never brought up CCSU or the NEC. You constantly troll the PL. I simply said Lehigh played a "pretty tough OOC schedule". Which by an objective measure they did.

Maybe Temple can get CCSU for a home coming game....


No the double standard by some people for the PL / NEC is my problem. I get defending you team and league, but you try to do it at the expense of NEC programs.

You don't like the FACTS, but nothing I posted was opinion or conjecture - it was supported by results.

You define a "pretty tough" schedule by scheduling Yale and Monmouth. I define a "pretty tough schedule" as Syracuse and Youngstown. Any ranking will support my definition over yours.

I would welcome a matchup vs. Temple or any FBS program. Central will be at Ball State next year, and yes I think we have a very good chance to win!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Both of those teams are a top 25 based on what. Monmouth, even with a good record is a low ranked team. 9-2 and came close to not making the playoffs due to very weak schedule ( which amazingly included Lehigh), and where is Yale? Teams being solid according to who?

Your peers on AGS

[Lorne_Malvo]

Your peers on AGS

I have no peers! :)

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

No the double standard by some people for the PL / NEC is my problem. I get defending you team and league, but you try to do it at the expense of NEC programs.

You don't like the FACTS, but nothing I posted was opinion or conjecture - it was supported by results.

You define a "pretty tough" schedule by scheduling Yale and Monmouth. I define a "pretty tough schedule" as Syracuse and Youngstown. Any ranking will support my definition over yours.

I would welcome a matchup vs. Temple or any FBS program. Central will be at Ball State next year, and yes I think we have a very good chance to win!

You clearly read nothing I post! Instead you just rant. I've been vocal about 5-6 teams in the playoffs. I've have not been propping Lehigh up at all. This team absolutely flopped on a national level. The only saving grace is a really good offense. I've been banging the drum for conference improvement. Go read the "Way way way too early 2018 thread".

I'm honestly not a fan of FBS/FCS games and wish they didn't exist. CCSU took the Syracuse game for a paycheck and a beating. Just like 95% of the rest of FCS when they schedule "up". Just like Lehigh with Navy next year. I'm going to laugh my ass off when Lehigh loses by 50.

Villanova and YSU equal this year. YSU went in the tank. Both schools deserve credit for scheduling those games. Unfortunately neither team lived up to the preseason hype. But I guess that doesnt matter?

[TennBison]

Your peers on AGS
I don't see anyone stating that those teams are solid, i do see fans backing my side of things, so feel free to point out who those fans are please that back your point of view.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I don't see anyone stating that those teams are solid, i do see fans backing my side of things, so feel free to point out who those fans are please that back your point of view.

Tenn how can I possibly do that? I don't have access to the ballots. You'd have to ask one of the AGS site administrators. I'm not sure ethically if they can release that info.

I don't get what you're getting at. Are you saying there's some sort of conspiracy or that someone who handles the ballots rigged the voting to include Yale or Monmouth?

[TennBison]

You clearly read nothing I post! Instead you just rant. I've been vocal about 5-6 teams in the playoffs. I've have not been propping Lehigh up at all. This team absolutely flopped on a national level. The only saving grace is a really good offense. I've been banging the drum for conference improvement. Go read the "Way way way too early 2018 thread".

I'm honestly not a fan of FBS/FCS games and wish they didn't exist. CCSU took the Syracuse game for a paycheck and a beating. Just like 95% of the rest of FCS when they schedule "up". Just like Lehigh with Navy next year. I'm going to laugh my ass off when Lehigh loses by 50.

Villanova and YSU equal this year. YSU went in the tank. Both schools deserve credit for scheduling those games. Unfortunately neither team lived up to the preseason hype. But I guess that doesnt matter?
Just a couple posts ago by you, you tried to use Villanova as what you called a "solid team and a tough out" when it came to propping up the Lehigh strength of OOC games. Now you are claiming they (Nova) went in the tank and did not live up to preseason hype. Which one is it going to be.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Just a couple posts ago by you, you tried to use Villanova as what you called a "solid team and a tough out" when it came to propping up the Lehigh strength of OOC games. Now you are claiming they (Nova) went in the tank and did not live up to preseason hype. Which one is it going to be.

Because Ace used YSU as an example to as to why CCSU had a tough schedule. To him I responded that YSU and 'Nova were basically the same teams. Tough outs (they were on the scoreboard) but ultimately disappointed from their preseason Top 10/15 rankings.

The answer is both. Villanova was still good enough to roll UD yesterday and YSU thumped two teams to finish the year.

[TennBison]

Tenn how can I possibly do that? I don't have access to the ballots. You'd have to ask one of the AGS site administrators. I'm not sure ethically if they can release that info.

I don't get what you're getting at. Are you saying there's some sort of conspiracy or that someone who handles the ballots rigged the voting to include Yale or Monmouth?
You need to get your facts straight. You said before that the answer was my peers on AGS. That would mean other members, so all you have to do is show us their posts. It is really very simple. Just show us people on here who are talking about those two teams being a powerhouse program and a good game for you. One team out of that whole mess that you pointed out made the playoffs. Monmouth, and they did so well that even though they went 9-2 they are still traveling to UNI, a four loss team .

[TennBison]

Because Ace used YSU as an example to as to why CCSU had a tough schedule. To him I responded that YSU and 'Nova were basically the same teams. Tough outs (they were on the scoreboard) but ultimately disappointed from their preseason Top 10/15 rankings.

The answer is both. Villanova was still good enough to roll UD yesterday and YSU thumped two teams to finish the year.
So you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Nova is good, when you talk about them to prop up Lehigh. But when Lehigh is not in the sentence with Nova, they tanked. I get it now, using them to support your claim but discarding them when it hurts your team, nice play.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

So you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Nova is good, when you talk about them to prop up Lehigh. But when Lehigh is not in the sentence with Nova, they tanked. I get it now, using them to support your claim but discarding them when it hurts your team, nice play.

I'm lost man. I got nothing else to say other than Villanova and YSU were tough teams this year but ultimately tanked from preseason expectations. That's not talking out of both sides of my mouth.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You need to get your facts straight. You said before that the answer was my peers on AGS. That would mean other members, so all you have to do is show us their posts. It is really very simple. Just show us people on here who are talking about those two teams being a powerhouse program and a good game for you. One team out of that whole mess that you pointed out made the playoffs. Monmouth, and they did so well that even though they went 9-2 they are still traveling to UNI, a four loss team .

I said the Final AGS Top 25! Your peers on here, who vote, included Yale and Monmouth in the Final AGS Top 25 that was released today.

I must live in another world...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Well then they just completely dropped the ball by picking a significant amount of undeserving teams? There's little legitimate argument to put Monmouth, Nicholls and UNH in before 4-5 other teams left out. This might be one of the worst years I've seen in terms of their picks "making sense" compared to others left out.

I also don't think it was their best year but that doesn't just automatically mean that there is some monetary function (that doesn't affect them in any way at all) to all of this. If so why wasn't Montana even in consideration? There are other reasons like the fact that we all said over the last several weeks that the teams from 17 on down are all fairly mediocre and not anyone that stood out. Having that same problem the SC just went a different way on a couple of teams

So, should we compare teams left out vs. those in (last four, first four) and see what the crowd difference is in reality?

Nobody left out has an overly compelling argument that they should have been in over the three they missed really but in my opinion they missed the mark slightly on two of them.

[TennBison]

I said the Final AGS Top 25! Your peers on here, who vote, included Yale and Monmouth in the Final AGS Top 25 that was released today.

I must live in another world...
I don't vote so who has any idea what you were talking about.

[DTP2]

Based on my point system, I had Austin Peay, Eastern Washington, and McNeese State in and Nicholls, New Hampshire, and Northern Arizona out. Matched 7 of 8 seeds favoring Stony Brook over Wofford. Good or bad?

[Lorne_Malvo]

Good Lord, this thread......

[Winston]

The committee should limit the number of bids open to each conference. The MVFC and CAA should only get 3 bid.

[Lorne_Malvo]

The committee should limit the number of bids open to each conference. The MVFC and CAA should only get 3 bid.

You voted for Bernie didn't you.

[TheKingpin28]

The committee should limit the number of bids open to each conference. The MVFC and CAA should only get 3 bid.

You can't be serious? How are you going to tell WIU, UNI, USeD and/or SDSU that two of these teams are going to stay at home so some scrub out of the Big South, Pioneer, NEC, MEAC, SWAC, etc... gets a chance to get murdered out on the field?

This might be one of the dumbest things I have read in awhile, and that includes some of the things I have posted before.

[dungeonjoe]

The committee should limit the number of bids open to each conference. The MVFC and CAA should only get 3 bid.

Not meaning to stir the pot and perhaps this is off topic for this thread, but 24 teams are too many. Let's just have conference champs and 3 or four at large to round out the field.

[Lorne_Malvo]

This might be one of the dumbest things I have read in awhile, and that includes some of the things I have posted before.

Wait till you see post #229.

[Bison56]

The committee should limit the number of bids open to each conference. The MVFC and CAA should only get 3 bid.

Are you serious? Maybe do away with the AQ and put the best teams in no matter what conference.

[TheKingpin28]

Wait till you see post #229.

Yeah I saw that. So a 5-6 team deserves to get in over SDSU, UNI, Weber St, SHSU, WIU, Samford, etc...

[POD Knows]

Are you serious? Maybe do away with the AQ and put the best teams in no matter what conference.Hey, I am all over this, ****ing aye, water down the hell out of the tournament, BTW, I am kidding and this post by this Winston guy is the stupid post of the year candidate.

[FargoBison]

The 24 team field as it stands is built to be inclusive and have AQs.

If you want a smaller field, say 16 teams all seeded then I would argue that the AQs be done away with.

[TheKingpin28]

Hey, I am all over this, ****ing aye, water down the hell out of the tournament, BTW, I am kidding and this post by this Winston guy is the stupid post of the year candidate.

Have you been to the poli board? xlolx

[TennBison]

The 24 team field as it stands is built to be inclusive and have AQs.

If you want a smaller field, say 16 teams all seeded then I would argue that the AQs be done away with.
I will come to that party.

[alvin.kmiec]

I watched it with my own eyes. One of the worst defenses you'll ever see! But the offense is legit...lol

Sounds like our team but at least we have a winning record.


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[ElCid]

The 24 team field as it stands is built to be inclusive and have AQs.

If you want a smaller field, say 16 teams all seeded then I would argue that the AQs be done away with.

No. Each conf gets a team. That is fair. Do away with that and we get more types of defectors....like the MEAC/SWAC, Ivy. Mot the reason, but some confs would just bail altogether. Why would some conferences even care at that point if you block them out. That would be stupid. One each is not too much to ask. If people don't like it then win their conf and it wouldn't be an issue.

[TennBison]

No. Each conf gets a team. That is fair. Do away with that and we get more types of defectors....like the MEAC/SWAC, Ivy. Mot the reason, but some confs would just bail altogether. Why would some conferences even care at that point if you block them out. That would be stupid. One each is not too much to ask. If people don't like it then win their conf and it wouldn't be an issue.
Who would be blocking anyone out. And exactly where do you think these defectors are going to go anyway when they bail as you say. So go with 16 seeded teams and dump the plan B backup of the autobids. Teams are forced to up their product if they want to play in the playoffs. Why should teams that make a choice to improve there teams be held hostage by those who have schools that can't commit to putting a good product on the field. The 16 best teams slug it out, not the 12-13 best and 3-4 wannabees.

[cx500d]

If you want a smaller field, say 16 teams all seeded then I would argue that the AQs be done away with.

I believe thats how it worked back in our Div2 heyday in the 80's. I think it was just top 16 in the polls.

[Bisonoline]

Seriously---do you want a Championship or not? You have the BEST teams play in a playoff. Not every team deserves to be in the playoffs. I dont see whats so difficult about this. How many teams out of the top 10 has made a serious playoff run?

[mvemjsunpx]

Seriously---do you want a Championship or not? You have the BEST teams play in a playoff. Not every team deserves to be in the playoffs. I dont see whats so difficult about this. How many teams out of the top 10 has made a serious playoff run?

Youngstown was #13 last year.
Delaware was #13 in 2007.
Western Kentucky was #15 in 2002.
UMass was #12 in 1998.

There's probably more…

[kalm]

Youngstown was #13 last year.
Delaware was #13 in 2007.
Western Kentucky was #15 in 2002.
UMass was #12 in 1998.

There's probably more…

2010 Nova finished 7-4, barely made the playoffs, ranked #15. They were down 3 with 2 minutes to go in the semifinal.

[mvemjsunpx]

2010 Nova finished 7-4, barely made the playoffs, ranked #15. They were down 3 with 2 minutes to go in the semifinal.

Also a good point, though I'm not sure Villanova "barely" made the playoffs since they got a first-round bye. Georgia Southern that year might be a better example: 7-4, ranked #20 (TSN poll), lost in the Semis.

[Mattymc727]

And even for all the UNH hate on here, in 2013 UNH barely squeaked in and made it to the semifinals before the buzzsaw in Fargo.

[cx500d]

And even for all the UNH hate on here, in 2013 UNH barely squeaked in and made it to the semifinals before the buzzsaw in Fargo.


One of those years they went in as #1 didn't they?

[mvemjsunpx]

One of those years they went in as #1 didn't they?

They were #1 in 2005, then got upset by UNI in the Quarters.

[POD Knows]

And even for all the UNH hate on here, in 2013 UNH barely squeaked in and made it to the semifinals before the buzzsaw in Fargo.But the guys from that UNH team can tell their children and their grand children that they lost to the greatest FCS team ever assembled. xnodx

[cx500d]

They were #1 in 2005, then got upset by UNI in the Quarters.


No, it was 2014...