AGS Poll Results - Week 3 - 09/18/2017

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AGS Poll Results - Week 3 - 09/18/2017



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
2073
81
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1988
2
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1878

3


4
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1772

4


5
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1658

5


6
Youngstown State Penguins
1576

6


7
Villanova Wildcats
1536

7


8
Wofford Terriers
1445

9


9
Richmond Spiders
1391

11


10
South Dakota Coyotes
1293

17


11
The Citadel Bulldogs
1155

12


12
Illinois State Redbirds
1142

13


13
Central Arkansas Bears
1070

15


14
Western Illinois Leathernecks
1013

14


15
Eastern Washington Eagles
887

16


16
New Hampshire Wildcats
660

8


17
Samford Bulldogs
571

18


18
North Carolina A&T Aggies
559

22


19
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
541

10


20
Weber State Wildcats
422

23


21
Tennessee State Tigers
325

26


22
Nicholls State Colonels
311

28


23
Holy Cross Crusaders
238

NR


24
Albany Great Danes
231

29


25
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
200

37T

















ORV:





26
Stony Brook Seawolves
172

31


27
Maine Black Bears
170

27


28
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
167

NR


29
Colgate Raiders
100

24


30
Montana Grizzlies
66

33


31
Southern Illinois Salukis
48

39


32
Elon Phoenix
46

NR


33
William & Mary Tribe
40

36


34
Northern Iowa Panthers
32

21


35
Chattanooga Mocs
30

19


36
Idaho State Bengals
25

NR


37
Princeton Tigers
25

NR


38
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21

NR


39
Grambling State Tigers
19

40

















Most Significant Win:
South Dakota Coyotes






Most Significant Loss:
North Dakota Fighting Hawks



























Fell Out Of Poll:





*
Charleston Southern Buccaneers






Howard Bison






Lehigh Mountain Hawks






Monmouth Hawks






Portland State Vikings






Sacred Heart Pioneers






Saint Francis Red Flash








* Tied at 40 with several other teams.

[JSUSoutherner]

Fight me.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Tennessee State Tigers
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Samford Bulldogs

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

[Daytripper]

Mine...

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Richmond Spiders
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Maine Black Bears

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

[Bison56]

Fight me.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Tennessee State Tigers
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Samford Bulldogs

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference



Time and place?

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post on the AGS top 25 this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-3-results/

[McNeese75]

Mine...

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Richmond Spiders
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Maine Black Bears

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

11th?? xconfusedx Someone is trying to pad their SOS xlolx

[Bison56]

Mine...

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Richmond Spiders
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Maine Black Bears

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

Your number 11 is a reach imo.

[Professor Chaos]

Here was my crack at it:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Albany Great Danes
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Colgate Raiders

[Daytripper]

11th?? xconfusedx Someone is trying to pad their SOS xlolx

Maybe subconsciously...xsmiley_wix I've been on Nicholls all season. I think they are better than the national (and conference) perception....

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 7:26:18

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[JSUSoutherner]

Time and place?


Right here. Right now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUU5rMgSj_I

[Daytripper]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 7:26:18

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I need to see one more good showing for Delaware. I'm watching.

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 20:56:03

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Wofford Terriers
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Saint Francis Red Flash
20: The Citadel Bulldogs
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Montana State Bobcats

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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[POD Knows]

I need to see one more good showing for Delaware. I'm watching.Yep, I struggled with that one a little bit and I probably got UND too high as well, I didn't realize the extend of their injuries, should have done more research. I actually thought about putting Cal Davis in there someplace but I might wait a week and see.

[Evolution Prime]

1. James Madison
2. North Dakota State
3. South Dakota State
4. Richmond
5. Youngstown State
6. Jacksonville State
7. Sam Houston State
8. South Dakota
9. Villanova
10. Illinois State
11. Eastern Washington
12. The Citadel
13. Central Arkansas
14. Wofford
15. Western Illinois
16. Tennessee State
17. Albany
18. Maine
19. North Dakota
20. New Hampshire
21. Samford
22. North Carolina A&T
23. Nicholls State
24. Montana
25. Southern Utah
Sig. Win - Idaho State
Sig. Loss - North Dakota

[BisonFan02]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Mayville Bison]

Even though I put UNH as the most significant loss, I forgot to get HC in the poll. They should have been in there at 19 and the rest sliding down one spot. Take care of Dartmouth, and I'll make sure I don't forget next week!

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Elon Phoenix

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

4. Richmond
7. Sam Houston State
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18. Maine
20. New Hampshire

These seem a little strange to me. xeyebrowx

[POD Knows]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football ConferenceThose last two are interesting.

[JSUSoutherner]

5: Wofford Terriers


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

[BisonFan02]

Those last two are interesting.

I've got a pile of teams in that 20ish range.....its tough.

[BisonFan02]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

Same spot I had them pre-bye week which isn't too far from their consensus spot.....we'll see what happens in conference play.

[POD Knows]

I've got a pile of teams in that 20ish range.....its tough.Griz beat Valpo and Savannah and got freaking rolled by Washington. Struggled against Valpo, tough sell.

[RootinFerDukes]

Maybe subconsciously...xsmiley_wix I've been on Nicholls all season. I think they are better than the national (and conference) perception....

They're going to need to show it with marquee conference wins (aka SHSU and UCA).

[JSUSoutherner]

Same spot I had them pre-bye week which isn't too far from their consensus spot.....we'll see what happens in conference play.
They have two one point losses against teams that are currently 1-5 with the only win being Jacksonville.

The other polls have them at 9 as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They have two one point losses against teams that are currently 1-5 with the only win being Jacksonville.

The other polls have them at 9 as well.

You would be making a mistake to assume the margin of victory with Wofford has anything to do with how good they are or how many teams they would beat in the top 25. Whenever they are really good they always win by 1, 2, or 3 pts. over pretty much everybody...good team or bad.

Pay very little attention to that.

[milleniumkat]

So did CAA and MVFC schedule makers take too much PTO prior to this year? I thought those schools always made tough OOC schedules? Schedule makers used to make it look so easy.

[BisonFan02]

You would be making a mistake to assume the margin of victory with Wofford has anything to do with how good they are or how many teams they would beat in the top 25. Whenever they are really good they always win by 1, 2, or 3 pts. over pretty much everybody...good team or bad.

Pay very little attention to that.

Wofford is my pick to win the SoCoN....we will see.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So did CAA and MVFC schedule makers take too much PTO prior to this year? I thought those schools always made tough OOC schedules? Schedule makers used to make it look so easy.

At the end of the year we need to rank yours against everyone in both of those leagues and see how it stancks up.

[milleniumkat]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/c55e5745292b05238d25d6976a965371.jpg

Teams in the top 5 right now better not drop another game by the looks of this SOS break down.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/dcde7159d0198289f52fe78614c08491.png

[BisonFan02]

At the end of the year we need to rank yours against everyone in both of those leagues and see how it stancks up.

Ha....stancks....

Combination of stack and stanks. :D

[BisonFan02]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/c55e5745292b05238d25d6976a965371.jpg

Teams in the top 5 right now better not drop another game by the looks of this SOS break down.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/dcde7159d0198289f52fe78614c08491.png

Ah.....early season SOS. Congrats on getting woodsheded by a BCS team.

[JSUSoutherner]

You would be making a mistake to assume the margin of victory with Wofford has anything to do with how good they are or how many teams they would beat in the top 25. Whenever they are really good they always win by 1, 2, or 3 pts. over pretty much everybody...good team or bad.

Pay very little attention to that.

Its not just the margin of victory. It's the quality of opponents. I personally can't justify a team with an eek out win over Furman (Yes it was. Furman out gained them by 100 yards and was a missed chip shot FG from winning.) over a team with two FCS blowouts and an FBS win.

[BisonFan02]

Its not just the margin of victory. It's the quality of opponents. I personally can't justify a team with an eek out win over Furman (Yes it was. Furman out gained them by 100 yards and was a missed chip shot FG from winning.) over a team with two FCS blowouts and an FBS win.

South Dakota? If so, I had them 9th previous and 7th now......I also remember that it is USeD....and that 7th ranking puts them 3rd my MVFC picture. Plenty good for now.

[JSUSoutherner]

South Dakota?

An example, yes. They've done everything they can and Wofford to me has yet to get a convincing win. IMO.

[The Pud]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

[citdog]

Its not just the margin of victory. It's the quality of opponents. I personally can't justify a team with an eek out win over Furman (Yes it was. Furman out gained them by 100 yards and was a missed chip shot FG from winning.) over a team with two FCS blowouts and an FBS win.

Dude your team plays in the OVC. You wouldn't know a tough conference game if you saw one...

[Thumper 76]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/c55e5745292b05238d25d6976a965371.jpg

Teams in the top 5 right now better not drop another game by the looks of this SOS break down.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/dcde7159d0198289f52fe78614c08491.png

Yeah, definitely the worst OOC slate for SDSU in a long time most likely. Depending on what Montana State does. If they keep the passing game going then I would bet on them to win the Sky. If they are what everyone expected then it's a very poor OOC. Next year is better.


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[Thumper 76]

Dude your team plays in the OVC. You wouldn't know a tough conference game if you saw one...

SoCon doesn't look much tougher tbh


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/c55e5745292b05238d25d6976a965371.jpg

Teams in the top 5 right now better not drop another game by the looks of this SOS break down.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/dcde7159d0198289f52fe78614c08491.png

So far, no one would disagree with you I don't think. This is the only time your SOS is gonna be close to the others I think. In the end it's probably not gonna be.

SOS does matter somewhat. How good your team is also matters. Your team is highly unlikely to have as good of a record playing the schedule of a CAA or MVFC team. It is possible your team is that good but it is not likely that that they would storm through the other two conferences with the ease they probably go through the SLC.

I agree with DT though, I do think the SLC is on the rise.

[BisonFan02]

An example, yes. They've done everything they can and Wofford to me has yet to get a convincing win. IMO.

They're there......below is my poll with "tier" breaks.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats

5: Wofford Terriers
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

10: Richmond Spiders
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Illinois State Redbirds

13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles

15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Samford Bulldogs

19: Weber State Wildcats
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

[ursus arctos horribilis]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Holy Cross Crusaders


This is not an actual AGS Poll voter fwiw.

[JSUSoutherner]

Dude your team plays in the OVC. You wouldn't know a tough conference game if you saw one...
Remind me, what's the SoCon's record vs. the OVC so far?

[grizband]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 20:56:03

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Wofford Terriers
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Saint Francis Red Flash
20: The Citadel Bulldogs
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Montana State Bobcats

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference



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[JSUSoutherner]

They're there......below is my poll with "tier" breaks.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats

5: Wofford Terriers
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

10: Richmond Spiders
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Illinois State Redbirds

13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles

15: The Citadel Bulldogs
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Samford Bulldogs

19: Weber State Wildcats
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Southern Illinois Salukis
I defintely agree with the teir you have them in I just think they should be at the bottom of said tier.

[RootinFerDukes]

I was really hope you all would've helped put Maine in this week so that I could claim a ranked win and finally shut "The Pod" up. #sad

[BisonFan02]

I defintely agree with the teir you have them in I just think they should be at the bottom of said tier.

We'll see. They're tough Mfers to figure out....its early.

[bobcathpdevil56]

Montana State ? :eek:

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If you have SDSU in the top ten, it is kind of tough to not consider them at least. They played a very close game with SDSU and have a FBS loss. I have not voted for them yet (trying not to be a mega-homer), but if they beat UND this week, I will give them a place in my poll.

[kdinva]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Richmond Spiders
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: South Dakota Coyotes
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Southern Illinois Salukis
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Weber State Wildcats


The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers

[KPSUL]

Holy Cross should be ranked higher than UNH.

[Thumper 76]

Montana State ? :eek:

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They've looked solid. The game they played against SDSU coupled with holding the WSU to 31 when their offense couldn't stay on the field was pretty impressive. At least compared to the other teams I look at for the bottom of my poll IMHO. I think they will be at the top of the Sky with what I watched. But hell, if they lose this week then I guess I was wrong and they get dropped from my poll.


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[F'N Hawks]

They've looked solid. The game they played against SDSU coupled with holding the WSU to 31 when their offense couldn't stay on the field was pretty impressive. At least compared to the other teams I look at for the bottom of my poll IMHO. I think they will be at the top of the Sky with what I watched. But hell, if they lose this week then I guess I was wrong and they get dropped from my poll.


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No doubt about it. If they lose to UND they are garbage.

[Bison56]

No doubt about it. If they lose to UND they are garbage.

Exactlyxthumbsupx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Exactlyxthumbsupx


This is going to be awesome when UND finally gets into the conference. More of their rubes will be coming on here and the "hate" will be multiplied by 100X...xnodx


As I tell my wife, a UND alum, UND SUCKS!!!

xlolx

** she's actually a Bison football fan now....xthumbsupx

[Bison56]

This is going to be awesome when UND finally gets into the conference. More of their rubes will be coming on here and the "hate" will be multiplied by 100X...xnodx


As I tell my wife, a UND alum, UND SUCKS!!!

xlolx

** she's actually a Bison football fan now....xthumbsupx
I get goose bumps thinking about it.

[Thumper 76]

No doubt about it. If they lose to UND they are garbage.

Would be more to do with them being 0-3, but take it how you want I spose.


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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Would be more to do with them being 0-3, but take it how you want I spose.


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Hey Thumper, do you think there will be some empty seats for the Bison game?

I called a couple of other buddies to try and get tickets but to no avail....

Probably should just go and see if someone is trying to sell some tickets right before the game....

[jmufan999]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Holy Cross Crusaders



This is not an actual AGS Poll voter fwiw.

he's trying soooooooo hard! it's adorable.

[PantherRob82]

James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Richmond Spiders
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Holy Cross Crusaders
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Colgate Raiders
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Tennessee State Tigers

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

[TheKingpin28]

Hello TheKingpin28,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 8:30:18

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Richmond Spiders
10: The Citadel Bulldogs
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[The Yo Show]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Albany Great Danes
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Montana Grizzlies

The Yo Show

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[dewey]

Holy Cross should be ranked higher than UNH.

This right here! HC laid the smack down on UNH. I just noticed that "The conference your team plays in" was wrong. Big Sky would be the home to my second favorite team the Grizzlies of Montana.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 21:06:32

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Holy Cross Crusaders
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Weber State Wildcats
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Tennessee State Tigers

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

Dewey

[IBleedYellow]

This is going to be awesome when UND finally gets into the conference. More of their rubes will be coming on here and the "hate" will be multiplied by 100X...xnodx


As I tell my wife, a UND alum, UND SUCKS!!!

xlolx

** she's actually a Bison football fan now....xthumbsupx

I already hate the few they have here. It was glorious when Darrell left. Not looking forward to them coming here more and every other thread turning into a garbage dump. Probably will be my time to start moving on from AGS.

[abc123]

I already hate the few they have here. It was glorious when Darrell left. Not looking forward to them coming here more and every other thread turning into a garbage dump. Probably will be my time to start moving on from AGS.

50-some of the first 100 posts in the USD/UND thread were from NDSU fans, but yet it's UND fans who are the ones turning things into a garbage dump? xdrunkyx

[Kemo]

50-some of the first 100 posts in the USD/UND thread were from NDSU fans, but yet it's UND fans who are the ones turning things into a garbage dump? xdrunkyx

In fairness, the title of the USD/UND thread was an obvious troll attempt directed at the xDSUs by a UND fan. If the goal was to converse about everything but the game itself, that was a pretty good start.

[Evolution Prime]

These seem a little strange to me. xeyebrowx

Oops. First one was a mistake I failed to correct from the previous week. Second one wasn't thinking. Guess I shouldn't try to shoehorn this in before the deadline at work. Guess I shouldn't get home at midnight on Sunday.

[IBleedYellow]

50-some of the first 100 posts in the USD/UND thread were from NDSU fans, but yet it's UND fans who are the ones turning things into a garbage dump? xdrunkyx

Your reading comprehension is impeccable - I never said it would be the UND fans fault. Threads will turn into a dump. Either fanbase will instigate it - and others will always jump on once it happens.

[BisonFan02]

Oops. First one was a mistake I failed to correct from the previous week. Second one wasn't thinking. Guess I shouldn't try to shoehorn this in before the deadline at work. Guess I shouldn't get home at midnight on Sunday.

Guess I picked the wrong week to quit PCP.

[mvemjsunpx]

There always seems to be one week a year where voting in the Top-25 seems like a complete cluster****. This is that week.



(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (3)
3. Villanova (4)
4. South Dakota St. (5)
5. South Dakota (14)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (8)
9. Richmond (10)
10. Youngstown St. (12)
11. Stony Brook (18)
12. Jacksonville St. (13)
13. Nicholls St. (19)
14. North Dakota (2)
15. Samford (21)
16. The Citadel (15)
17. Wofford (20)
18. Weber St. (22)
19. Montana (11)
20. Eastern Washington (NR)
21. Holy Cross (NR)
22. New Hampshire (9)
23. North Carolina A&T (NR)
24. McNeese St. (23)
25. Tennessee-Martin (NR)

W - South Dakota
L - North Dakota



Dropped - Tennessee-Chattanooga (16), Portland St. (17), Northern Iowa (24), Northern Arizona (25)

[F'N Hawks]

I already hate the few they have here. It was glorious when Darrell left. Not looking forward to them coming here more and every other thread turning into a garbage dump. Probably will be my time to start moving on from AGS.

xthumbsupx It's just a message board, Ace.

[ST_Lawson]

[SIZE=2]There always seems to be one week a year where voting in the Top-25 seems like a complete cluster****. This is that week.

7. Western Illinois (7)


Drunk, high, or both?



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[Evolution Prime]

Guess I picked the wrong week to quit PCP.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/EvolutionPrime/Mobile%20Uploads/2256fc433fba3d914bd1c96d04de8578_zpsqlz7a3ry.jpg

[Bison56]

There always seems to be one week a year where voting in the Top-25 seems like a complete cluster****. This is that week.



(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (3)
3. Villanova (4)
4. South Dakota St. (5)
5. South Dakota (14)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (8)
9. Richmond (10)
10. Youngstown St. (12)
11. Stony Brook (18)
12. Jacksonville St. (13)
13. Nicholls St. (19)
14. North Dakota (2)
15. Samford (21)
16. The Citadel (15)
17. Wofford (20)
18. Weber St. (22)
19. Montana (11)
20. Eastern Washington (NR)
21. Holy Cross (NR)
22. New Hampshire (9)
23. North Carolina A&T (NR)
24. McNeese St. (23)
25. Tennessee-Martin (NR)

W - South Dakota
L - North Dakota



Dropped - Tennessee-Chattanooga (16), Portland St. (17), Northern Iowa (24), Northern Arizona (25)
You had UND #2, and many other ??. Wow

[citdog]

SoCon doesn't look much tougher tbh


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It doesn't? Our 4th or 5th best team took Auburn to the brink...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Youngstown State Penguins
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Richmond Spiders
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Holy Cross Crusaders
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Colgate Raiders
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Tennessee State Tigers

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

xlolx

What an ass that Rob is!

[PantherRob82]

xlolx

What an ass that Rob is!

What did I do?! xlolx

Was it the improper paste job making it look like I left JMu out?

[cx500d]

The correct answers are:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: The Citadel Bulldogs
12: Nicholls State Colonels
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats





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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Your reading comprehension is impeccable - I never said it would be the UND fans fault. Threads will turn into a dump. Either fanbase will instigate it - and others will always jump on once it happens.

I've minimized it and if it flares up to an unacceptable level I will just cause trouble for those causing the trouble. I enjoy making this place extremely hard to navigate for assholes trying to start **** all the time.

There is still badgering back & forth but you know this place isn't anything like it was 4 or 5 yrs. ago with the UND/NDSU crap.

[Southern Bison]

I've minimized it and if it flares up to an unacceptable level I will just cause trouble for those causing the trouble. I enjoy making this place extremely hard to navigate for assholes trying to start **** all the time.

There is still badgering back & forth but you know this place isn't anything like it was 4 or 5 yrs. ago with the UND/NDSU crap.I just pictured UAH doing this...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/061c573876f699d5400b78c327f3a869.jpg

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[cx500d]

Wofford is my pick to win the SoCoN....we will see.


They squeaked by some very mediocre teams....Cost them in my poll.

[JSUSoutherner]

The correct answers are:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: The Citadel Bulldogs
12: Nicholls State Colonels
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats





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Ranks UT-Martin but not Tennessee State. Makes sense.

[IBleedYellow]

I've minimized it and if it flares up to an unacceptable level I will just cause trouble for those causing the trouble. I enjoy making this place extremely hard to navigate for assholes trying to start **** all the time.

There is still badgering back & forth but you know this place isn't anything like it was 4 or 5 yrs. ago with the UND/NDSU crap.It was great hearing you explain what you do when we came out for the NDSU Montana game.


Those poor souls that piss you off. xlolx

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: South Dakota Coyotes
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Pennsylvania Quakers
25: William & Mary Tribe

[The Pud]

he's trying soooooooo hard! it's adorable.

JMU doesn't deserve higher ranking since they are playing a #soft #cupcake schedule in 2017.

#weak strength of schedule
#sad
#soft schedule
#cupcake schedule

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: South Dakota Coyotes
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Pennsylvania Quakers
25: William & Mary Tribe

Not the Ivy team I would have ranked, but to each their own.

[PantherRob82]

Who the **** is voting for UNI?

Anyone who watched our game with SUU would not vote for either team.

[Serpentor]

Who the **** is voting for UNI?

Anyone who watched our game with SUU would not vote for either team.

Probably the same people who keep voting for Jackson State.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Not the Ivy team I would have ranked, but to each their own.

I'm not taking too much away from their glorified scrimmage against a D2 team. Penn, Princeton and maybe Yale are the ones worthy of conversation right now imo. Dartmouth and Harvard could get back in the mix. Time will tell. 20-25 is basically a flip of the coin...

[cx500d]

Ranks UT-Martin but not Tennessee State. Makes sense.


My proprietary algorithm had them 27

[JSUSoutherner]

My proprietary algorithm had them 27

Interesting. Well your algorithm will be put to the test this weekend.

[cx500d]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: South Dakota Coyotes
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Pennsylvania Quakers
25: William & Mary Tribe


Wofford #5? Did you see their earlier squeekers?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Wofford #5? Did you see their earlier squeekers?

I did. I feel like the Terriers are a team that always gets better as the year goes on under Coach Ayers. Their option attack really gets rolling. They started with a conference rival which is never easy. Sometimes you have to survive and advance. I can see the skepticism though. Time will tell...

[milleniumkat]

Ah.....early season SOS. Congrats on getting woodsheded by a BCS team.

exactly.

[milleniumkat]

So far, no one would disagree with you I don't think. This is the only time your SOS is gonna be close to the others I think. In the end it's probably not gonna be.

SOS does matter somewhat. How good your team is also matters. Your team is highly unlikely to have as good of a record playing the schedule of a CAA or MVFC team. It is possible your team is that good but it is not likely that that they would storm through the other two conferences with the ease they probably go through the SLC.

I agree with DT though, I do think the SLC is on the rise.

I agree but "unlikely" is why we have the best playoff in all of college football. My point is that a week three poll is really just wall paper. But it's fun to talk about if people don't lose their minds over it

And i was also considering my team among that top five. We don't have much leeway either if we hope to get even a low seed

And while i'm enjoying finally getting to pick on NDSU and sdsu about SOS, i do understand that that is short lived once we both hit conference slates. And regardless, i think 3-10 is pretty much the same...and none of them is on the level of NDSU and JMU imho. i don't care if those two play Katy Highschool every week. They are on another level right now.

[NY Crusader 2010]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Elon Phoenix

NY Crusader 2010

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

First five out - Mercer, Southern Utah, Stony Brook, NC A&T, Princeton

[NY Crusader 2010]

I'm not taking too much away from their glorified scrimmage against a D2 team. Penn, Princeton and maybe Yale are the ones worthy of conversation right now imo. Dartmouth and Harvard could get back in the mix. Time will tell. 20-25 is basically a flip of the coin...

Princeton and Yale seem to be the favorites based on this past weekend's results. But this could be the year that the Ivy is wide open. Brown could sneak in there as well.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Who the **** is voting for UNI?

Anyone who watched our game with SUU would not vote for either team.

Sagarin somehow has you guys at 11. Panthers would be on my radar with a win in Carbondale next week, depending on what happens to the teams I have ranked 20-25. Similarly, SIU would gain consideration with a win over you guys. UNI wins over SIU and WIU back to back would almost definitely put them in my top 25.

In the same vein, who the hell is putting Holy Cross at 16 and 17? We need to string together a few more before getting consideration to be ranked this high.

[cx500d]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Elon Phoenix

NY Crusader 2010

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

First five out - Mercer, Southern Utah, Stony Brook, NC A&T, Princeton

You just whooped UNH..How do you put yourself less?

[centennial]

I agree but "unlikely" is why we have the best playoff in all of college football. My point is that a week three poll is really just wall paper. But it's fun to talk about if people don't lose their minds over it

And i was also considering my team among that top five. We don't have much leeway either if we hope to get even a low seed

And while i'm enjoying finally getting to pick on NDSU and sdsu about SOS, i do understand that that is short lived once we both hit conference slates. And regardless, i think 3-10 is pretty much the same...and none of them is on the level of NDSU and JMU imho. i don't care if those two play Katy Highschool every week. They are on another level right now.


As much as NDSU would like. No FBS will play us, even stronger FCS teams will sometimes avoid us ala Georgia Southern and Montana State. I know the rest of the fanbase isn't happy with it either.

Look at articles like this- https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/8/30/6086977/north-dakota-state-fcs-fbs-STOP-PLAYING-THEM

And it all comes down to perception. Most FCS teams continue to completely **** the bed vs FBS. You might come back from a loss against Boise State and make a big bowl but you can't come back from a loss to NDSU. It sucks, I would like to see a competitive game. Our OOC has been dismal, and EWU was supposed to be a substitute for a mid major FBS foe, but they are having a down year.

Afraid things aren't going to get better, we will sign home-home with some FCS teams but FBS has completely run away from us. I guess that is what happens when you start taking out teams like K-State and Iowa both of whom were looking at a possible FBS title game the year before they played us.

[Thumper 76]

Hey Thumper, do you think there will be some empty seats for the Bison game?

I called a couple of other buddies to try and get tickets but to no avail....

Probably should just go and see if someone is trying to sell some tickets right before the game....


It doesn't? Our 4th or 5th best team took Auburn to the brink...

One good looking game from your entire OOC does not a strong conference make. SEC ain't near what it used to be. Y'all almost lost to ****ing ETSU ffs.


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[JSUSoutherner]

It doesn't? Our 4th or 5th best team took Auburn to the brink...
No.

Just no.

Auburn outgained Mercer 510 to 246 and had 26 first downs to Mercer's 12.

Auburn had 5 turnovers and a missed field goal and still had a comfortable 2 TD win.



THIS is what taking Auburn to the brink looks like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqWxSDpdB7c&app=desktop

[citdog]

No.

Just no.

Auburn outgained Mercer 510 to 246 and had 26 first downs to Mercer's 12.

Auburn had 5 turnovers and a missed field goal and still had a comfortable 2 TD win.



THIS is what taking Auburn to the brink looks like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqWxSDpdB7c&app=desktop

YEP

Aren't y'all the best team in that collection of misfits known as the OVC? Mercer isn't the best SoCon Team. You both got beat. Mercer looked and played pretty good. A LOT better than y'all did at unranked Georgia Tech.

[JSUSoutherner]

YEP

Aren't y'all the best team in that collection of misfits known as the OVC? Mercer isn't the best SoCon Team. You both got beat. Mercer looked and played pretty good. A LOT better than y'all did at unranked Georgia Tech.

I don't think you ever told me the SoCon's record vs the OVC so far this year?

[citdog]

I don't think you ever told me the SoCon's record vs the OVC so far this year?

Some of us don't associate with po'buckers.

[JSUSoutherner]

Some of us don't associate with po'buckers.
I believe the words you're looking for are "0-2 Because the SoCon has yet to beat ANYONE with a pulse"

[citdog]

I believe the words you're looking for are "0-2 Because the SoCon has yet to beat ANYONE with a pulse"

Chatty gonna Chatty

Po'buckers ALL around...

[FUBeAR]

Auburn had...a comfortable 2 TD win.

Mercer had the ball 1 score down with 8 minutes left to play. Pretty sure Coach Malzahn, Coach Lindsay, and Coach Steele were anything but "comfortable" at that point in the game.

TIP1: App Store>Search>ESPN Watch>Sport>Football>Replay
TIP2: SEC Network>Check Listings

...much better than reading stats and/or watching 2 year old YouTube videos of a terrible Auburn Team that finished last in the SEC, as opposed to one that just a week ago was edged out, by a single score, by a Top Ranked FBS Defending National Champion.

[citdog]

Mercer had the ball 1 score down with 8 minutes left to play. Pretty sure Coach Malzahn, Coach Lindsay, and Coach Steele were anything but "comfortable" at that point in the game.

TIP1: App Store>Search>ESPN Watch>Sport>Football>Replay
TIP2: SEC Network>Check Listings

...much better than reading stats and/or watching 2 year old YouTube videos of a terrible Auburn Team that finished last in the SEC, as opposed to one that just a week ago was edged out, by a single score, by a Top Ranked FBS Defending National Champion.

He plays the piccolo at the games.

[JSUSoutherner]

Mercer had the ball 1 score down with 8 minutes left to play. Pretty sure Coach Malzahn, Coach Lindsay, and Coach Steele were anything but "comfortable" at that point in the game.

TIP1: App Store>Search>ESPN Watch>Sport>Football>Replay
TIP2: SEC Network>Check Listings

...much better than reading stats and/or watching 2 year old YouTube videos of a terrible Auburn Team that finished last in the SEC, as opposed to one that just a week ago was edged out, by a single score, by a Top Ranked FBS Defending National Champion.
That game was never in doubt. I watched most of it. Yeah it was a respectable effort but you guys only had one decent drive all game. 5 turnovers and you guys only cashed in once. The only thing that was in doubt was Auburn's ability to actually hold onto the ball.

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Elon Phoenix

NY Crusader 2010

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

First five out - Mercer, Southern Utah, Stony Brook, NC A&T, Princeton

You see a lot more in EWU than I do....

[cx500d]

You see a lot more in EWU than I do....


He makes no sense....His crusaders asswhipped New Hampshire, yet he ranked New Hampshire higher...I guess it was a lucky asswhooping

[TheKingpin28]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Richmond Spiders
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: The Citadel Bulldogs
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Elon Phoenix

NY Crusader 2010

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

First five out - Mercer, Southern Utah, Stony Brook, NC A&T, Princeton

https://i.giphy.com/media/1M9fmo1WAFVK0/giphy.webp

[BearDownMU]

a comfortable 2 TD win.



Really? It was 17-10 with 7 minutes left.

[JSUSoutherner]

Really? It was 17-10 with 7 minutes left.

And the whole time I was hoping for another Auburn fumble so the Bears could get a scoop and score because I knew they weren't going to be able to piece together another TD drive. You guys hadn't shown anything on offense outside of that one drive.

Hoping for scoop and scores isn't an effective offensive strategy.

[FUBeAR]

That game was never in doubt.

So, you're saying Coach Malzahn, Coach Lindsay, and Coach Steele were absolutely serene when Mercer had the ball with a chance to take the lead with about 1/2 a quarter to play? If, as you (ludicrously) say, the game was "never in doubt," they would have been totally at peace, right?

[JSUSoutherner]

So, you're saying Coach Malzahn, Coach Lindsay, and Coach Steele were absolutely serene when Mercer had the ball with a chance to take the lead with about 1/2 a quarter to play? If, as you (ludicrously) say, the game was "never in doubt," they would have been totally at peace, right?
No. They should have been whipping you guys worse.

Gus and his offensive staff are a joke. They have been since before we even played them. Their defense could win them a championship if they knew how to 20 points a game on the board.

Sorry, I wish you guys would have won and it was a good effort but I had more way confidence in Auburn's defense than your offense.

[BearDownMU]

And the whole time I was hoping for another Auburn fumble so the Bears could get a scoop and score because I knew they weren't going to be able to piece together another TD drive. You guys hadn't shown anything on offense outside of that one drive.

Hoping for scoop and scores isn't an effective offensive strategy.

So even tho you saw the one drive, it wasn't a possibility that maybe another drive gets put together?

Maybe I can learn something from you tho. According to you, this is the first game I've ever seen that was 10-3 at the half and 17-10 halfway through the 4th Q that was never in "comfortable". Lol.

Actually, forget all that. I was on the sideline for the game.

You're drunk.

[BearDownMU]

It doesn't? Our 4th or 5th best team...

TBD

[FUBeAR]

Hoping for scoop and scores isn't an effective offensive strategy. Putting your Team in a position to have more points than the other Team at the end of the game can be a very effective Winning Strategy. Mercer had that opportunity against the #15 Team in FBS, which, only 1 week earlier had played the #1 Team in ALL of College Football to a 1 score game.

Meanwhile this season, the 2017 Jacksonville State Team was out of the game and about to get completely WORKED before their band sat down after beating & blowing at halftime in their game against a GT Team that is ranked somewhere below #42...we'll behind such traditional FBS Football powers as Duke & Wake Forest.

[JSUSoutherner]

So even tho you saw the one drive, it wasn't a possibility that maybe another drive gets put together?

Maybe I can learn something from you tho. According to you, this is the first game I've ever seen that was 10-3 at the half and 17-10 halfway through the 4th Q that was never in "comfortable". Lol.

Actually, forget all that. I was on the sideline for the game.

You're drunk.

Of course it was a possibility. But I wouldn't have put money on it. And good thing I didn't too, because I would have lost it all. xcoffeex


Putting your Team in a position to have more points than the other Team at the end of the game can be a very effective Winning Strategy. Mercer had that opportunity against the #15 Team in FBS, which, only 1 week earlier had played the #1 Team in ALL of College Football to a 1 score game.

Meanwhile, the 2017 Jacksonville State Team was out of the game before their band sat down after beating & blowing at halftime in their game against a GT that is ranked somewhere below #42...we'll behind such traditional FBS Football powers as Duke & Wake Forest.

Do you see me over here bragging about our loss?

I thought so.

[FUBeAR]

Do you see me over here bragging about our loss?

I thought so.

Um, let's me see....OK....I had to think for about 1/2 a second- See Post #101 in THIS thread! You ARE drunk!

"I thought so." xnodx

[JSUSoutherner]

Um, let's me see....OK....I had to think for about 1/2 a second- See Post #99 in THIS thread! You ARE drunk!

"I thought so." xnodx

Really? What does this have to do with anything we're discussing?


As much as NDSU would like. No FBS will play us, even stronger FCS teams will sometimes avoid us ala Georgia Southern and Montana State. I know the rest of the fanbase isn't happy with it either.

Look at articles like this- https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/8/30/6086977/north-dakota-state-fcs-fbs-STOP-PLAYING-THEM

And it all comes down to perception. Most FCS teams continue to completely **** the bed vs FBS. You might come back from a loss against Boise State and make a big bowl but you can't come back from a loss to NDSU. It sucks, I would like to see a competitive game. Our OOC has been dismal, and EWU was supposed to be a substitute for a mid major FBS foe, but they are having a down year.

Afraid things aren't going to get better, we will sign home-home with some FCS teams but FBS has completely run away from us. I guess that is what happens when you start taking out teams like K-State and Iowa both of whom were looking at a possible FBS title game the year before they played us.

[FUBeAR]

Sorry - I'm having some AGS Technical Difficulties with edits creating new posts & throwing off the numbering. Your unprovoked BOASTING about JSU's 2015 LOSS to Auburn is Post #101.

[cx500d]

Sorry - I'm having some AGS Technical Difficulties with edits creating new posts & throwing off the numbering. Your unprovoked BOASTING about JSU's 2015 LOSS to Auburn is Post #101.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/GvXQonaoJqL9m/giphy.gif

[REALBird]

There always seems to be one week a year where voting in the Top-25 seems like a complete cluster****. This is that week.



(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (3)
3. Villanova (4)
4. South Dakota St. (5)
5. South Dakota (14)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (8)
9. Richmond (10)
10. Youngstown St. (12)
11. Stony Brook (18)
12. Jacksonville St. (13)
13. Nicholls St. (19)
14. North Dakota (2)
15. Samford (21)
16. The Citadel (15)
17. Wofford (20)
18. Weber St. (22)
19. Montana (11)
20. Eastern Washington (NR)
21. Holy Cross (NR)
22. New Hampshire (9)
23. North Carolina A&T (NR)
24. McNeese St. (23)
25. Tennessee-Martin (NR)

W - South Dakota
L - North Dakota



Dropped - Tennessee-Chattanooga (16), Portland St. (17), Northern Iowa (24), Northern Arizona (25)

No Illinois State?

[JSUSoutherner]

Sorry - I'm having some AGS Technical Difficulties with edits creating new posts & throwing off the numbering. Your unprovoked BOASTING about JSU's 2015 LOSS to Auburn is Post #101.
How is it boasting? I showed an example of a game that actually went to the wire. I didn't know referencing something was the same as Mercer fans and Citdog trying to act like only being down a touchdown with more than 7 minutes to go after being behind the whole game makes Mercer the biggest, baddest little 1-2 ballclub in the south.

I tried bragging about our loss in 2015. It didn't help us get our ass kicked any less.

[cx500d]

No Illinois State?
Don't worry, he's got UND, UNH, EWU, and Montana?

[citdog]

How is it boasting? I showed an example of a game that actually went to the wire. I didn't know referencing something was the same as Mercer fans and Citdog trying to act like only being down a touchdown with more than 7 minutes to go after being behind the whole game makes Mercer the biggest, baddest little 1-2 ballclub in the south.

I tried bragging about our loss in 2015. It didn't help us get our ass kicked any less.

Nope. You implied that Mercer wasn't in that game late in the 4th qtr. Which was a stupid thing to do because they were.

[REALBird]

There always seems to be one week a year where voting in the Top-25 seems like a complete cluster****. This is that week.



(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (3)
3. Villanova (4)
4. South Dakota St. (5)
5. South Dakota (14)
6. Sam Houston St. (6)
7. Western Illinois (7)
8. Central Arkansas (8)
9. Richmond (10)
10. Youngstown St. (12)
11. Stony Brook (18)
12. Jacksonville St. (13)
13. Nicholls St. (19)
14. North Dakota (2)
15. Samford (21)
16. The Citadel (15)
17. Wofford (20)
18. Weber St. (22)
19. Montana (11)
20. Eastern Washington (NR)
21. Holy Cross (NR)
22. New Hampshire (9)
23. North Carolina A&T (NR)
24. McNeese St. (23)
25. Tennessee-Martin (NR)

W - South Dakota
L - North Dakota



Dropped - Tennessee-Chattanooga (16), Portland St. (17), Northern Iowa (24), Northern Arizona (25)


Don't worry, he's got UND, UNH, EWU, and Montana?

Makes the Coaches Poll look like a Mensa meeting! LOL

[JSUSoutherner]

Nope. You implied that Mercer wasn't in that game late in the 4th qtr. Which was a stupid thing to do because they were.

They scored with 5 minutes to go. That's an eternity in football. I wouldn't call it "late" in the quarter.

I didn't say it wasn't close at that point. I said that Mercer was never that big of a threat.

The only reason it was close was because Auburn couldn't hold the ball not because Mercer's offense kept them in it.

Why would I expect Mercer's offense to win them the game when they only got into the red zone one time the whole game without Aubie's help?

[citdog]

They scored with 5 minutes to go. That's an eternity in football. I wouldn't call it "late" in the quarter.

I didn't say it wasn't close at that point. I said that Mercer was never that big of a threat.

The only reason it was close was because Auburn couldn't hold the ball not because Mercer's offense kept them in it.

Why would I expect Mercer's offense to win them the game when they only got into the red zone one time the whole game without Aubie's help?

That's a great number of words. "I was wrong" is way fewer...

[JSUSoutherner]

That's a great number of words. "I was wrong" is way fewer...
But I wasn't. Because they lost.

But go ahead, champion Mercer's loss as the SoCon's grand achievement. It's funny like the Southland rubes stroking it to Nicholls.

[citdog]

But I wasn't. Because they lost.

But go ahead, champion Mercer's loss as the SoCon's grand achievement. It's funny like the Southland rubes stroking it to Nicholls.

I don't think anyone who attends college in that hotbed of culture Jacksonville, Alabama is in any position to refer to others as "rubes".

[FUBeAR]

How is it boasting? I showed an example of a game that actually went to the wire. I didn't know referencing something was the same as Mercer fans and Citdog trying to act like only being down a touchdown with more than 7 minutes to go after being behind the whole game makes Mercer the biggest, baddest little 1-2 ballclub in the south.

I tried bragging about our loss in 2015. It didn't help us get our ass kicked any less.

Considering your obvious state of inebriation, I probably shouldn't even try to splain this to you, but...

1) As far as I know there were not, nor have there been, any posts (at all) on AGS made by Mercer Fans regarding the loss to Auburn on Sat. prior to your post (#101).

2) Your post (#101) was 2-pronged.
A) It clearly attempted to denigrate Mercer's showing against Auburn by citing statistics, that, though factual, were all not favorable toward Mercer and these were the only statistics you cited. If you had posted that Mercer held Auburn to the type of rushing yards (146) that only Defenses from Clemson, Alabama, and Georgia had held them to in recent games or that ALL 5 of those turnovers were clearly TAKEAWAYS by Mercer Defenders, then you might be able to claim that you were not attempting to espouse an anti-Mercer narrative. But you didn't and you were, as is further evidenced by you ludicrously (best word I got) trying to claim that a 1 score game in the latter stages of the 4th quarter was "never in doubt." I know you are a band-person, but you seem to have at least a cursory working knowledge of how athletics contests work. Mercer has a shot to win that game until 4:50 was left & Auburn scored a TD to make it a 2 score game. Anyone with any knowledge of sports knows that & YOU DO TOO.
B) In a ludicrous (just seems so right) attempt to bolster JSU & the OVC's credibility, you tried to BRAG about REALLY "taking Auburn to the brink...YEP" by posting a 2 year old YouTube of JSU's HIGHLIGHTS in a LOSS against a bad, last-place in the SEC Auburn Team. I really can't imagine a better example of "bragging about a loss"...actually.

3) In response to your post (#101), a few Mercer (and SoCon) Fans disputed your ludicrous (sorry) mischaracterization of the certainty of the outcome of the Mercer @ Auburn game. There was no bragging about the loss. Mercer Fans have suffered through way too many close losses to highly ranked Teams to take any pleasure from them at this point. There's certainly a measure of pride about the way the young men competed in their 1st time on such a large stage, but no joy, pleasure, or satisfaction. Instead, another painful loss that, possibly, could have been a BIG win.

Does this all make sense now? If not, try reading it in the morning after some aspirin & tomato juice.

[grizband]

Computer problems prevented me from submitting my Week 3 ballot. This would have been my ballot, which is very much still a work in progress.



1. James Madison


2. North Dakota State


3. South Dakota State


4. Sam Houston State


5. Jacksonville State


6. Villanova


7. Youngstown State


8. Wofford


9. Richmond


10. South Dakota


11. The Citadel


12. Illinois State


13. Western Illinois


14. Central Arkansas


15. North Carolina A&T


16. Holy Cross


17. New Hampshire


18. Samford


19. Eastern Washington


20. Tennessee State


21. North Dakota


22. Nicholls


23. Weber State


24. Albany


25. Southern Utah





Biggest Win: Austin Peay


Biggest Loss: UND

[The Pud]

I don't think anyone who attends college in that hotbed of culture Jacksonville, Alabama is in any position to refer to others as "rubes".

rubes? wtf is that?

[BearDownMU]

rubes? wtf is that?

Definition of rube

(pejorative (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pejorative)) An uninformed (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uninformed), unsophisticated (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unsophisticated), or unintelligent (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unintelligent) person.

[FUBeAR]

Definition of rube



(pejorative (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pejorative)) An uninformed (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uninformed), unsophisticated (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unsophisticated), or unintelligent (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unintelligent) person.





Let's see....Check, check, check...Dangit!

[BEAR]

rubes? wtf is that?


http://www.pngall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rubiks-Cube-PNG-Image.png

[Daytripper]

Definition of rube



(pejorative (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pejorative)) An uninformed (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uninformed), unsophisticated (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unsophisticated), or unintelligent (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unintelligent) person.





That just gave me a dose of self-awareness. How could I have not known.

[Daytripper]

Definition of rube



(pejorative (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pejorative)) An uninformed (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uninformed), unsophisticated (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unsophisticated), or unintelligent (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unintelligent) person.





In other words, it's the SFA motto.

[Katfan]

But I wasn't. Because they lost.

But go ahead, champion Mercer's loss as the SoCon's grand achievement. It's funny like the Southland rubes stroking it to Nicholls.
What,why do we get dragged into this. #butNichols..

[Daytripper]

What,why do we get dragged into this. #butNichols..

You haven't figured that out yet?..xeyebrowx

[Katfan]

You haven't figured that out yet?..xeyebrowx
Oh I know. It's getting old though! Guess if I wasn't a deplorable rube, I'd just let it go!

[BearDownMU]

That just gave me a dose of self-awareness. How could I have not known.

Hey, I'm from a part of Georgia so rural, you don't even tell people the city you were born in, you just tell them the county. lol

[DirtyDukes]

Hey, I'm from a part of Georgia so rural, you don't even tell people the city you were born in, you just tell them the county. lol

My guess: Worth, or Elbert

[dewey]

Hey, I'm from a part of Georgia so rural, you don't even tell people the city you were born in, you just tell them the county. lol

Sounds like a great place (100% sincere...I live in the city but love the rural areas). I bet there is some dang good hunting in those parts:-)

Dewey

[citdog]

Hey, I'm from a part of Georgia so rural, you don't even tell people the city you were born in, you just tell them the county. lol

Dahlonega?

[BearDownMU]

My guess: Worth, or Elbert

Jones County

- - - Updated - - -


Dahlonega?

Dahlonega is a metropolis compared to where I'm from.

[Serpentor]

Jones County



I was gonna guess Hazzard County. Ever meet them Duke boys?

[milleniumkat]

Hey, I'm from a part of Georgia so rural, you don't even tell people the city you were born in, you just tell them the county. lol

You guys get that zombie problem under control yet? It's a damn shame what y'all are going through.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I agree but "unlikely" is why we have the best playoff in all of college football. My point is that a week three poll is really just wall paper. But it's fun to talk about if people don't lose their minds over it

And i was also considering my team among that top five. We don't have much leeway either if we hope to get even a low seed

And while i'm enjoying finally getting to pick on NDSU and sdsu about SOS, i do understand that that is short lived once we both hit conference slates. And regardless, i think 3-10 is pretty much the same...and none of them is on the level of NDSU and JMU imho. i don't care if those two play Katy Highschool every week. They are on another level right now.

Well said. Fully agree with you.

[BearDownMU]

I was gonna guess Hazzard County. Ever meet them Duke boys?
Lol. No, but my old man did take me to a car show once to see the General Lee in person.

[FUBeAR]

You guys get that zombie problem under control yet? It's a damn shame what y'all are going through.

Relocated 'em to Northern Virginia - as far North as Alexandria, I believe. They are all up in JMU, W&M, and Richmond country now!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You guys get that zombie problem under control yet? It's a damn shame what y'all are going through.

xlolx

xthumbsupx

[BearDownMU]

You guys get that zombie problem under control yet? It's a damn shame what y'all are going through.

Unfortunately, as hard as we try, Georgia Southern just won't move to South Carolina.

[milleniumkat]

xlolx

xthumbsupx

What?? I'm a human being caring for other human beings. They've been through a lot the last 7 years. I feel for them and respect their resolve.

[Serpentor]

Unfortunately, as hard as we try, Georgia Southern just won't move to South Carolina.

Are you Team Rick or do you swear fealty to Negan? Remember, Lucille is watching...

[DirtyDukes]

Jones County

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Dahlonega is a metropolis compared to where I'm from.

Oh nice, my sister and brother in law went to school nearby in Milledgeville. I grew up in Savannah.

[JSUSoutherner]

Jones County

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Dahlonega is a metropolis compared to where I'm from.

Could be worse. At least Jones County isn't far and out of the way.

Could be out in the middle of nowhere with nothing around.

[ST_Lawson]

Oh nice, my sister and brother in law went to school nearby in Milledgeville. I grew up in Savannah.

I love Savannah...and Tybee Island.

[The Pud]

I love Savannah...and Tybee Island.


Savannah is a great place!

[RabidRabbit]

Hello RabidRabbit,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 8:21
Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Albany Great Danes
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Princeton Tigers

RabidRabbit

The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Giving you all Rabid thoughts to chew on.

[milleniumkat]

Hello RabidRabbit,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 8:21
Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Albany Great Danes
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Princeton Tigers

RabidRabbit

The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Giving you all Rabid thoughts to chew on.

That's a good call on USD. they look dy-no-mite to me right now.

[BearDownMU]

Are you Team Rick or do you swear fealty to Negan? Remember, Lucille is watching...

I'm Team Daryl. lol

[FUBeAR]

I'm Team Daryl. lol

...with Eugene hair

[citdog]

Hello RabidRabbit,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2017 8:21
Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: The Citadel Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Albany Great Danes
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Princeton Tigers

RabidRabbit

The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Giving you all Rabid thoughts to chew on.

Why not rank Missouri State too?

[citdog]

Savannah is a great place!

Savannah is a white trash Charleston.

[cx500d]

Why not rank Missouri State too?


Seriously...Princeton?

[JSUSoutherner]

Savannah is a white trash Charleston.

And Charleston is just trash.

[NorthChuckSouth]

Savannah is a great place!

if you've never been to charleston

[NorthChuckSouth]

And while i'm enjoying finally getting to pick on NDSU and sdsu about SOS, i do understand that that is short lived once we both hit conference slates. And regardless, i think 3-10 is pretty much the same...and none of them is on the level of NDSU and JMU imho. i don't care if those two play Katy Highschool every week. They are on another level right now.

I'd agree to this.. Those two teams would win the transitional league aka the sun belt year and more than likely the C-USA

[citdog]

And Charleston is just trash.

You're the only one who thinks so. RUBE

[Redbird 4th & short]

Why not rank Missouri State too?

This !!!!!

for what it is worth ... both Sagarin and Massey predicted NC A&T would beat Charlotte.

Why ? Because Charlotte is a bad FBS team, If they were FCS, Massey would ranked them 40th behind Indiana State .. Sagarin would rankt hem a little lower than Massey and lower than Missouri St.

Good for them that they won ... but this idea that NC A&T deserves a top 25 ranking, much less to be moved up to #15 for beating a team that would be ranked 40th in FCS by 4 points. Yeesh .. strength of schedule is not rocket science. Every MVFC team plays 7 or 8 conference games much tougher than Charlotte, plus 1 or 2 non-conf.

Nicholls State, Holy Cross ... how about getting more than 1 good win in several years before you get catapulted into top 25 ... this is why there are such disparities between polls and ranking systems ... total lack of objective analysis.

Tenn St is 3-0 .. Massey ranks them #51 .. guess why ? Because they barely beat 3 bad teams. Jackson St by 2. Florida A&M by 11. And a Charlotte like Georgia St by 7. They jumped from #24 to #20 for beating a bad team by 11. And 2 weeks ago they beat an even worse team by 2 (Jackson St) ... why are they moving up barely beating bad teams ??? They should be falling out of top 25, not moving up ... weak wins are a bad thing.

FCP Coaches Poll ... you need to look an inch beneath the surface ... STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE ... Stop punishing good teams for scheduling tough games and losing to good teams then simultaneously rewarding average teams for barely beating bad teams. There are many systems easily available to assist in this ranking process .. it is not that hard.

[crusader11]

Nicholls State, Holy Cross ... how about getting more than 1 good win in several years before you get catapulted into top 25 ... this is why there are such disparities between polls and ranking systems ... total lack of objective analysis.


What does last season have anything to do with this season when it comes to rankings?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This !!!!!

for what it is worth ... both Sagarin and Massey predicted NC A&T would beat Charlotte.

Why ? Because Charlotte is a bad FBS team, If they were FCS, Massey would ranked them 40th behind Indiana State .. Sagarin would rankt hem a little lower than Massey and lower than Missouri St.

Good for them that they won ... but this idea that NC A&T deserves a top 25 ranking, much less to be moved up to #15 for beating a team that would be ranked 40th in FCS by 4 points. Yeesh .. strength of schedule is not rocket science. Every MVFC team plays 7 or 8 conference games much tougher than Charlotte, plus 1 or 2 non-conf.

Nicholls State, Holy Cross ... how about getting more than 1 good win in several years before you get catapulted into top 25 ... this is why there are such disparities between polls and ranking systems ... total lack of objective analysis.

Tenn St is 3-0 .. Massey ranks them #51 .. guess why ? Because they barely beat 3 bad teams. Jackson St by 2. Florida A&M by 11. And a Charlotte like Georgia St by 7. They jumped from #24 to #20 for beating a bad team by 11. And 2 weeks ago they beat an even worse team by 2 (Jackson St) ... why are they moving up barely beating bad teams ??? They should be falling out of top 25, not moving up ... weak wins are a bad thing.

FCP Coaches Poll ... you need to look an inch beneath the surface ... STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE ... Stop punishing good teams for scheduling tough games and losing to good teams then simultaneously rewarding average teams for barely beating bad teams. There are many systems easily available to assist in this ranking process .. it is not that hard.

It's never that hard for a guy that doesn't do the f'n work slick. When you start casting a ballot let me know. I will be sure and pick that **** apart for you team by team if you want. We've got plenty of MVFC representation and they do plenty of ranking based on fairly good principled reasoning.

Stop whining, it's week 3.

[milleniumkat]

This !!!!!

for what it is worth ... both Sagarin and Massey predicted NC A&T would beat Charlotte.

Why ? Because Charlotte is a bad FBS team, If they were FCS, Massey would ranked them 40th behind Indiana State .. Sagarin would rankt hem a little lower than Massey and lower than Missouri St.

Good for them that they won ... but this idea that NC A&T deserves a top 25 ranking, much less to be moved up to #15 for beating a team that would be ranked 40th in FCS by 4 points. Yeesh .. strength of schedule is not rocket science. Every MVFC team plays 7 or 8 conference games much tougher than Charlotte, plus 1 or 2 non-conf.

Nicholls State, Holy Cross ... how about getting more than 1 good win in several years before you get catapulted into top 25 ... this is why there are such disparities between polls and ranking systems ... total lack of objective analysis.

Tenn St is 3-0 .. Massey ranks them #51 .. guess why ? Because they barely beat 3 bad teams. Jackson St by 2. Florida A&M by 11. And a Charlotte like Georgia St by 7. They jumped from #24 to #20 for beating a bad team by 11. And 2 weeks ago they beat an even worse team by 2 (Jackson St) ... why are they moving up barely beating bad teams ??? They should be falling out of top 25, not moving up ... weak wins are a bad thing.

FCP Coaches Poll ... you need to look an inch beneath the surface ... STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE ... Stop punishing good teams for scheduling tough games and losing to good teams then simultaneously rewarding average teams for barely beating bad teams. There are many systems easily available to assist in this ranking process .. it is not that hard.

So then the good conferences should just play each other exclusively in their own championship? then when those "good teams" and "good conferences" start getting bad (cycles) then how would anyone know it if they are only playing each other in the playoffs? You can't simply go by computer rankings. FCS is a nationwide system. If one conference keeps winning the title, then tough crap if they can only be allowed 3 teams in. If the other teams don't like the system or their conference then they can switch or move up. But they need to stop singing about the joys of their conference one day, then crying about it the next.

[The Pud]

So then the good conferences should just play each other exclusively in their own championship? then when those "good teams" and "good conferences" start getting bad (cycles) then how would anyone know it if they are only playing each other in the playoffs? You can't simply go by computer rankings. FCS is a nationwide system. If one conference keeps winning the title, then tough crap if they can only be allowed 3 teams in. If the other teams don't like the system or their conference then they can switch or move up. But they need to stop singing about the joys of their conference one day, then crying about it the next.

LOL! Exactly!! Well said milleniumkat!

[Gangtackle11]

So then the good conferences should just play each other exclusively in their own championship? then when those "good teams" and "good conferences" start getting bad (cycles) then how would anyone know it if they are only playing each other in the playoffs? You can't simply go by computer rankings. FCS is a nationwide system. If one conference keeps winning the title, then tough crap if they can only be allowed 3 teams in. If the other teams don't like the system or their conference then they can switch or move up. But they need to stop singing about the joys of their conference one day, then crying about it the next.

Shame on you M- Kat. You must bow to the almighty football conference in the Great Plains. You must obey their rules as we are only here because they allow us a meager existence. We are grateful as we know that their 6-5 teams are far superior to our top teams. M-Kat is guilty as charged. Insubordination to the Great Plains Conference. (Where men are men & big hairy cows are scared!)

[Redbird 4th & short]

It's never that hard for a guy that doesn't do the f'n work slick. When you start casting a ballot let me know. I will be sure and pick that **** apart for you team by team if you want. We've got plenty of MVFC representation and they do plenty of ranking based on fairly good principled reasoning.

Stop whining, it's week 3.

What whining ? I argued UNI and YSU should have been ranked lower early in season. I argued ISU was about right for this point in season .. though believe we will continue to climb.. The only MVFC team I argued should be higher ranked was WIU.

This is a message board where I am simply criticizing a clearly flawed ranking system.

So again .. what whining ?

[Redbird 4th & short]

LOL! Exactly!! Well said milleniumkat!
I don't disagree with both of your's point there regarding stronger conferences.

I have always argued on Redbird fan page that the most statistically unbiased rankings occur about games 7 pr 8 (my swagged guess based on a balanced 3 or 4 non-conf and 3 or 4 conf games), but otherwise agree that after that point, they can become partly self-perpetuating when relying entirely on statistcal systems ... that is, really good conferences tend to cluster higher and really bad conferences tend to cluster lower .. because of the point you make. But it is still far better than FCS Coaches Poll and STATS/TSN. For what it's worth I tend to agree more with the AGS poll than FCS or STATS.

Bottom line .. NC A&T and Tenn St are prime examples of why subjective polling does not work, especially at FCS level .. the coaches being polled are too lazy, even though they typically know better.. And then the writers and coaches are too regionally biased.

My suggestion would be for anyone publishing a subjective poll, would be to adopt a SOS system and post the objective SOS right along side the subjective ranking. That way when you have 7-4 team who played the 60th ranked SOS versus another 7-4 team who played the 6th ranked SOS .. there would be some objective context to those clearly unequal 7-4 teams.

[Redbird 4th & short]

What does last season have anything to do with this season when it comes to rankings?
What else would you go by just 3 games into current season ? Too few data points to do anything worth a dime.

I really like what Keeper is trying to do, particular to improve ranking systems early in season .. combining a statistical ranking system with lost starters/production. Lot of work tracking the lost starters/production, but this is the way to do it.

http://www.keepratings.net

[PantherRob82]

Shame on you M- Kat. You must bow to the almighty football conference in the Great Plains. You must obey their rules as we are only here because they allow us a meager existence. We are grateful as we know that their 6-5 teams are far superior to our top teams. M-Kat is guilty as charged. Insubordination to the Great Plains Conference. (Where men are men & big hairy cows are scared!)


What whining ? I argued UNI and YSU should have been ranked lower early in season. I argued ISU was about right for this point in season .. though believe we will continue to climb.. The only MVFC team I argued should be higher ranked was WIU.

This is a message board where I am simply criticizing a clearly flawed ranking system.

So again .. what whining ?

Gang, I'm not sure if anyone in the MVFC ever endorses his opinion.

Mostly because he posts an opinion like this, gets torn up over it, and then posts a response like this one where he claims innocence and that he never said anything. xlolx

[kalm]

I don't disagree with both of your's point there regarding stronger conferences.

I have always argued on Redbird fan page that the most statistically unbiased rankings occur about games 7 pr 8 (my swagged guess based on a balanced 3 or 4 non-conf and 3 or 4 conf games), but otherwise agree that after that point, they can become partly self-perpetuating when relying entirely on statistcal systems ... that is, really good conferences tend to cluster higher and really bad conferences tend to cluster lower .. because of the point you make. But it is still far better than FCS Coaches Poll and STATS/TSN. For what it's worth I tend to agree more with the AGS poll than FCS or STATS.

Bottom line .. NC A&T and Tenn St are prime examples of why subjective polling does not work, especially at FCS level .. the coaches being polled are too lazy, even though they typically know better.. And then the writers and coaches are too regionally biased.

My suggestion would be for anyone publishing a subjective poll, would be to adopt a SOS system and post the objective SOS right along side the subjective ranking. That way when you have 7-4 team who played the 60th ranked SOS versus another 7-4 team who played the 6th ranked SOS .. there would be some objective context to those clearly unequal 7-4 teams.

That's pretty much what Supe's "How they fared" weekly thread does (SOS starts appearing after week 4) plus even more information regarding computer rankings, wins against ranked opponents, etc.

[crusader11]

What else would you go by just 3 games into current season ? Too few data points to do anything worth a dime.


You go by team's performances through three games into the current season!

No one is arguing that early season rankings may not have some flaws, but are you seriously advocating for taking performances from the 2016 season into consideration? If so, then I give up.

[WestCoastAggie]

I don't disagree with both of your's point there regarding stronger conferences.

I have always argued on Redbird fan page that the most statistically unbiased rankings occur about games 7 pr 8 (my swagged guess based on a balanced 3 or 4 non-conf and 3 or 4 conf games), but otherwise agree that after that point, they can become partly self-perpetuating when relying entirely on statistcal systems ... that is, really good conferences tend to cluster higher and really bad conferences tend to cluster lower .. because of the point you make. But it is still far better than FCS Coaches Poll and STATS/TSN. For what it's worth I tend to agree more with the AGS poll than FCS or STATS.

Bottom line .. NC A&T and Tenn St are prime examples of why subjective polling does not work, especially at FCS level .. the coaches being polled are too lazy, even though they typically know better.. And then the writers and coaches are too regionally biased.

My suggestion would be for anyone publishing a subjective poll, would be to adopt a SOS system and post the objective SOS right along side the subjective ranking. That way when you have 7-4 team who played the 60th ranked SOS versus another 7-4 team who played the 6th ranked SOS .. there would be some objective context to those clearly unequal 7-4 teams.

Have you seen A&T play this season?

Have you also checked out Massey's Composite Ranking this year? Better yet, have you talked to the numerous NFL scouts at A&T's games checking out Brandon Parker, Khris Gardin, Lamar Raynard, Jaquil Capel, and numerous other Aggies?

You speak of SOS, but SOS can also be very subjective. Don't penalize the kids on these teams for just running the plays they are coached to do so, against teams they have no control in scheduling.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

What whining ? I argued UNI and YSU should have been ranked lower early in season. I argued ISU was about right for this point in season .. though believe we will continue to climb.. The only MVFC team I argued should be higher ranked was WIU.

This is a message board where I am simply criticizing a clearly flawed ranking system.

So again .. what whining ?

Well I misunderstood your post a bit then. When it started off with "This !!!!!" it lead me to believe you thought basically every MVFC should be ranked.

Apologies on that. But, you are whining about something and putting down others for things you say are so basic when you do not in fact put in any work on these things and believe you have all the answers...and Massey is not that. I don't give a rat's ass how much some of the MVFC boys want to lean back on it.

I've been around here long enough and in these conversations so many times I remember when the MVFC fellers were absolutely against the Massey or computer style rankings...or at least a lot of them were because the conference was 4th at best a lot of time. So you see, people rely on different tools when they can just sit back and complain but most of the people voting here put in a good amount of time sorting through various pieces of "evidence" to get what they think is correct. Yes, it is still absolutely flawed cuz if it wasn't we wouldn't be able to have all these arguments every week.

But seriously griping about it being flawed when we all know this and still try to make it as good as possible and have the discussions seems a little whiny to me.

As others have done, you do not have to actually vote if you want to show and tell your top 25 cuz believe me the Massey copiers get eaten alive quickly around here as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Gang, I'm not sure if anyone in the MVFC ever endorses his opinion.

Mostly because he posts an opinion like this, gets torn up over it, and then posts a response like this one where he claims innocence and that he never said anything. xlolx

A concise point he did not make. Could be by design.

[WileECoyote06]

Bottom line .. NC A&T and Tenn St are prime examples of why subjective polling does not work, especially at FCS level .. the coaches being polled are too lazy, even though they typically know better.. And then the writers and coaches are too regionally biased.

My suggestion would be for anyone publishing a subjective poll, would be to adopt a SOS system and post the objective SOS right along side the subjective ranking. That way when you have 7-4 team who played the 60th ranked SOS versus another 7-4 team who played the 6th ranked SOS .. there would be some objective context to those clearly unequal 7-4 teams.

Massey didn't predict a win for A&T and still gives Charlotte the three point home field advantage even after the game has been played. It currently has the Aggies at #30; which is within earshot of the Top 25 anyway. Gardner-Webb was a well-regarded mid-level team when they played A&T. It's not A&T's fault they're on a down spiral. Gosh y'all got me defending the farmers. xeyebrowx

Both Tennessee State and A&T have spent time in the top 25 in recent years and have some brand-recognition. Their appearance in the poll isn't fly by night.

If it makes you happy, TSU is predicted to lose by double digits this weekend at UT-Martin. But if a team keeps winning, they should be ranked. Expanding on your example, the 7-4 team from a 'less competitive' conference isn't usually going to be ranked. These things have a way of working themselves out. xdontknowx

[milleniumkat]

Shame on you M- Kat. You must bow to the almighty football conference in the Great Plains. You must obey their rules as we are only here because they allow us a meager existence. We are grateful as we know that their 6-5 teams are far superior to our top teams. M-Kat is guilty as charged. Insubordination to the Great Plains Conference. (Where men are men & big hairy cows are scared!)

I hereby throw myself at the mercy of the court you honor. I just want a cell to myself with some juggy porn. Make it happen and i go away quietly.

[The Pud]

You go by team's performances through three games into the current season!

No one is arguing that early season rankings may not have some flaws, but are you seriously advocating for taking performances from the 2016 season into consideration? If so, then I give up.

same here! I give up cuz no way JMU should be ranked number 1 given their cupcake schedule / lack of SOS

[milleniumkat]

I don't disagree with both of your's point there regarding stronger conferences.

I have always argued on Redbird fan page that the most statistically unbiased rankings occur about games 7 pr 8 (my swagged guess based on a balanced 3 or 4 non-conf and 3 or 4 conf games), but otherwise agree that after that point, they can become partly self-perpetuating when relying entirely on statistcal systems ... that is, really good conferences tend to cluster higher and really bad conferences tend to cluster lower .. because of the point you make. But it is still far better than FCS Coaches Poll and STATS/TSN. For what it's worth I tend to agree more with the AGS poll than FCS or STATS.

Bottom line .. NC A&T and Tenn St are prime examples of why subjective polling does not work, especially at FCS level .. the coaches being polled are too lazy, even though they typically know better.. And then the writers and coaches are too regionally biased.

My suggestion would be for anyone publishing a subjective poll, would be to adopt a SOS system and post the objective SOS right along side the subjective ranking. That way when you have 7-4 team who played the 60th ranked SOS versus another 7-4 team who played the 6th ranked SOS .. there would be some objective context to those clearly unequal 7-4 teams.

Seems like a lot of useless work. Isn't that what the committee does? They swooped in asm set us straight and they were right. So i don't disagree with you, but i think it's wasted arguments.

[DirtyDukes]

same here! I give up cuz no way JMU should be ranked number 1 given their cupcake schedule / lack of SOS

https://i.giphy.com/media/26BRpAMrBolEY6gsE/giphy.webp

[milleniumkat]

You go by team's performances through three games into the current season!

No one is arguing that early season rankings may not have some flaws, but are you seriously advocating for taking performances from the 2016 season into consideration? If so, then I give up.

Some do
my friend. Some do. I honestly think that WILD fluctuations in the first qtr of the season should be acceptable as good teams play good teams and good ones play alleged bad ones. Then by mid point, things should iron out.

I think the Nazi death grip on the top four spots based on last year when other teams are kicking in people's faces is dumb. dumb. dumb. Nice win last week btw.

[RabidRabbit]

Seriously...Princeton?
Best of the Ivies. Call it a marker for tracking Ivy schools.

[RabidRabbit]

That's a good call on USD. they look dy-no-mite to me right now.
If a voter was to go strictly on the first 3 weeks results with no thought to prior years' experience, the Yotes should come in the top 5. And FBS win, a top-10 win, and a complete blowout of a pioneer, matches the best record of any team out there.

[Daytripper]

If a voter was to go strictly on the first 3 weeks results with no thought to prior years' experience, the Yotes should come in the top 5. And FBS win, a top-10 win, and a complete blowout of a pioneer, matches the best record of any team out there.

Agree. I am guilty of undervaluing them as well.

[milleniumkat]

If a voter was to go strictly on the first 3 weeks results with no thought to prior years' experience, the Yotes should come in the top 5. And FBS win, a top-10 win, and a complete blowout of a pioneer, matches the best record of any team out there.

Agreed. If they stay on this pace, it will be robbery to hold them back. They have the best resume in the FCS right now imho.

[cx500d]

If a voter was to go strictly on the first 3 weeks results with no thought to prior years' experience, the Yotes should come in the top 5. And FBS win, a top-10 win, and a complete blowout of a pioneer, matches the best record of any team out there.

Close, I had them at #6.

[nevadagriz]

Polls including AGS should not come out until week four! Votes should be cast only on the first three games of the season not on how a team finished previous season. Injuries,new coaches and teams not playing up to par make a preseason poll and early season polls worthless and make voting a nightmare first few weeks.
Look at the teams that started in top ten that have struggled out of the gates this year, EWU and UND for example. would anyone have EWU,UND or Poly in your top Twenty after three weeks if they had not started season so high? Anyone who does not have USD in top three are crazy IMOxtwocentsx.

Another question If MSU or Montana win this week are they good wins based on UND and EWU preseason rankings or ok wins because both of those teams will have 3 losses?? I think a win over USD today is as impressive as a win over Sammy,James Madison or NDSU.

Just my humble opinion bash away.

[Grizalltheway]

Polls including AGS should not come out until week four! Votes should be cast only on the first three games of the season not on how a team finished previous season. Injuries,new coaches and teams not playing up to par make a preseason poll and early season polls worthless and make voting a nightmare first few weeks.
Look at the teams that started in top ten that have struggled out of the gates this year, EWU and UND for example. would anyone have EWU,UND or Poly in your top Twenty after three weeks if they had not started season so high? Anyone who does not have USD in top three are crazy IMOxtwocentsx.

Another question If MSU or Montana win this week are they good wins based on UND and EWU preseason rankings or ok wins because both of those teams will have 3 losses?? I think a win over USD today is as impressive as a win over Sammy,James Madison or NDSU.

Just my humble opinion bash away.

I'm almost certain that they'd be viewed as "eh, so what" around here.

[BisonTru]

Polls including AGS should not come out until week four! Votes should be cast only on the first three games of the season not on how a team finished previous season. Injuries,new coaches and teams not playing up to par make a preseason poll and early season polls worthless and make voting a nightmare first few weeks.
Look at the teams that started in top ten that have struggled out of the gates this year, EWU and UND for example. would anyone have EWU,UND or Poly in your top Twenty after three weeks if they had not started season so high? Anyone who does not have USD in top three are crazy IMOxtwocentsx.

Another question If MSU or Montana win this week are they good wins based on UND and EWU preseason rankings or ok wins because both of those teams will have 3 losses?? I think a win over USD today is as impressive as a win over Sammy,James Madison or NDSU.

Just my humble opinion bash away.

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.

[WileECoyote06]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.


Agreed. Like FBS, most of the ranked teams in FCS are consistently good programs. If they've got returning players and returning coaches you give that program the benefit of the doubt.

[Daytripper]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.

Yep. The AGS Poll is the only reason I bother with you f*****s. xsmiley_wixxsmiley_wix

[kalm]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.

Yep. What's crazy is NOT considering last year's results.

[nevadagriz]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.

Oh I enjoy the AGS poll, I was just pointing out how sometimes preseason polls may have a team ranked too high or too low. When that happens it takes longer to get to a true ranking. As you pointed out USD will have some losses and will move in the poll accordingly. While I enjoy the ribbing of SHSU posters I think too much weight is put into how they finished the season and they pay for that the following year in the ags poll for several weeks.

best part of the AGS rankings is they are individual opinions and can be discussed and argued until the next one comes out.
Tru you can stick your last sentence up your ass!

[nevadagriz]

Yep. What's crazy is NOT considering last year's results.
Kalm serious question How long do you consider last years results?
Team A was great last year made deep playoff run. Started season ranked 4th. Lose 2 games, where do you rank them? Do you keep them ranked till "after the dust settles" because you think eventually they will be good? Or do you drop them and they can work their way back up?

Hell I'm a Griz fan and I will say for 5yrs they were ranked waaaaay too high based on past seasons. The reason they were voted the most overrated team in the ags era was because they were voted too damn high to start each year lol.

Anyways thanks for the great discussion I like to find out how people vote and what goes into their thought process.

[milleniumkat]

Polls including AGS should not come out until week four! Votes should be cast only on the first three games of the season not on how a team finished previous season. Injuries,new coaches and teams not playing up to par make a preseason poll and early season polls worthless and make voting a nightmare first few weeks.
Look at the teams that started in top ten that have struggled out of the gates this year, EWU and UND for example. would anyone have EWU,UND or Poly in your top Twenty after three weeks if they had not started season so high? Anyone who does not have USD in top three are crazy IMOxtwocentsx.

Another question If MSU or Montana win this week are they good wins based on UND and EWU preseason rankings or ok wins because both of those teams will have 3 losses?? I think a win over USD today is as impressive as a win over Sammy,James Madison or NDSU.

Just my humble opinion bash away.

Obviously USD is the kinda new kid on the block, but there is no doubt to me that a win over them would be bigger than a win over shsu at this point. Maybe not after saturday. we shall see. Not as big as JMU or NDSU for obvious reasons.

[PantherRob82]

Shame on you M- Kat. You must bow to the almighty football conference in the Great Plains. You must obey their rules as we are only here because they allow us a meager existence. We are grateful as we know that their 6-5 teams are far superior to our top teams. M-Kat is guilty as charged. Insubordination to the Great Plains Conference. (Where men are men & big hairy cows are scared!)


Oh I enjoy the AGS poll, I was just pointing out how sometimes preseason polls may have a team ranked too high or too low. When that happens it takes longer to get to a true ranking. As you pointed out USD will have some losses and will move in the poll accordingly. While I enjoy the ribbing of SHSU posters I think too much weight is put into how they finished the season and they pay for that the following year in the ags poll for several weeks.

best part of the AGS rankings is they are individual opinions and can be discussed and argued until the next one comes out.
Tru you can stick your last sentence up your ass!


I think thats what makes the AGS poll great. Some voters slot vote based on their preseason poll(terrible IMO), some start week 1 based mostly on results, and some look at expectations vs results. I see some individual ballots and think they suck, but as a whole we are pretty great.

[BisonTru]

Oh I enjoy the AGS poll, I was just pointing out how sometimes preseason polls may have a team ranked too high or too low. When that happens it takes longer to get to a true ranking. As you pointed out USD will have some losses and will move in the poll accordingly. While I enjoy the ribbing of SHSU posters I think too much weight is put into how they finished the season and they pay for that the following year in the ags poll for several weeks.

best part of the AGS rankings is they are individual opinions and can be discussed and argued until the next one comes out.
Tru you can stick your last sentence up your ass!

What's crazy to me is Sammy gets exposed for being a poser. Next year the other polls put them near the top. They walk thru the Southland. The other polls move them even higher. Sammy fans storm the board like they've won the Natty. Then they get exposed again. Wash, rinse, repeat. That's literally how it's played out for three years running. My bet is it happens again. Could be wrong. If I am I'll eat my crow and place them appropriately in my poll.

One thing I don't do and most AGS posters strive not to do is slot vote. You can win and drop in my personal poll if someone jumped you or I was under impressed with your performance.

Edit: On your question to Kalm. I don't really have a week that all of a sudden last year no longer matters. Every week last year matters less. I also don't drop someone thinking they may work their way back up. My poll is my best guess at how the season will end this week with what we've seen so far.

[Professor Chaos]

Polls including AGS should not come out until week four! Votes should be cast only on the first three games of the season not on how a team finished previous season. Injuries,new coaches and teams not playing up to par make a preseason poll and early season polls worthless and make voting a nightmare first few weeks.
Look at the teams that started in top ten that have struggled out of the gates this year, EWU and UND for example. would anyone have EWU,UND or Poly in your top Twenty after three weeks if they had not started season so high? Anyone who does not have USD in top three are crazy IMOxtwocentsx.

Another question If MSU or Montana win this week are they good wins based on UND and EWU preseason rankings or ok wins because both of those teams will have 3 losses?? I think a win over USD today is as impressive as a win over Sammy,James Madison or NDSU.

Just my humble opinion bash away.
Then you'd just have a ****ty poll in Week 4 instead of one that's been getting refined over the last month. I firmly believe that my week 4 poll will be better because of the criticism and discussion from week 3. My week 3 poll was better because of criticism and discussion from week 2 and so on.

Look at the playoff selection committee's laughable first set of rankings (which came out in early November) last year as proof. Going through the exercise of voting each week works out the kinks in your own personal biases and/or ignorance.

[kalm]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.


Kalm serious question How long do you consider last years results?
Team A was great last year made deep playoff run. Started season ranked 4th. Lose 2 games, where do you rank them? Do you keep them ranked till "after the dust settles" because you think eventually they will be good? Or do you drop them and they can work their way back up?

Hell I'm a Griz fan and I will say for 5yrs they were ranked waaaaay too high based on past seasons. The reason they were voted the most overrated team in the ags era was because they were voted too damn high to start each year lol.

Anyways thanks for the great discussion I like to find out how people vote and what goes into their thought process.

See Tru's excellent reply above. And yes, this a great discussion.

I rely upon last year somewhat the first few weeks and they're also the most volatile for my poll. Case in point, I moved EWU out of the top 25 after week 2 based on how they played so far this year. I moved them back in at 25 this week because there's a load of talent there if it can be harnessed. Another example is moving USD way up into the top 10 quickly not because of last year but how how they've played so far against good competition.

I had SAM at 6 week one because they return talent on both sides of the ball and have them at 4 now.

[kalm]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.


Kalm serious question How long do you consider last years results?
Team A was great last year made deep playoff run. Started season ranked 4th. Lose 2 games, where do you rank them? Do you keep them ranked till "after the dust settles" because you think eventually they will be good? Or do you drop them and they can work their way back up?

Hell I'm a Griz fan and I will say for 5yrs they were ranked waaaaay too high based on past seasons. The reason they were voted the most overrated team in the ags era was because they were voted too damn high to start each year lol.

Anyways thanks for the great discussion I like to find out how people vote and what goes into their thought process.


Then you'd just have a ****ty poll in Week 4 instead of one that's been getting refined over the last month. I firmly believe that my week 4 poll will be better because of the criticism and discussion from week 3. My week 3 poll was better because of criticism and discussion from week 2 and so on.

Look at the playoff selection committee's laughable first set of rankings (which came out in early November) last year as proof. Going through the exercise of voting each week works out the kinks in your own personal biases and/or ignorance.

More great points...

[Katfan]

What's crazy to me is Sammy gets exposed for being a poser. Next year the other polls put them near the top. They walk thru the Southland. The other polls move them even higher. Sammy fans storm the board like they've won the Natty. Then they get exposed again. Wash, rinse, repeat. That's literally how it's played out for three years running. My bet is it happens again. Could be wrong. If I am I'll eat my crow and place them appropriately in my poll.

One thing I don't do and most AGS posters strive not to do is slot vote. You can win and drop in my personal poll if someone jumped you or I was under impressed with your performance.

Edit: On your question to Kalm. I don't really have a week that all of a sudden last year no longer matters. Every week last year matters less. I also don't drop someone thinking they may work their way back up. My poll is my best guess at how the season will end this week with what we've seen so far.
We get exposed in the quarter finals or semi finals each year. Ok most get exposed before then. Anyway, then we start the next year with a ton of returning players so it's easy for me to see how they could be tricked in to believing that we could make another deep run. I think it will be interesting to see how it works out this year. If we do get lucky enough to go deep again. Next year we will lose a ton of important senior talent so Im just going to to enjoy the delusion. I'm sure there are plenty of other fans that would love to not be exposed until the late rounds of the playoffs. Your success has made you lose touch with the reality of what most fans experience.

[milleniumkat]

What's crazy to me is Sammy gets exposed for being a poser. Next year the other polls put them near the top. They walk thru the Southland. The other polls move them even higher. Sammy fans storm the board like they've won the Natty. Then they get exposed again. Wash, rinse, repeat. That's literally how it's played out for three years running. My bet is it happens again. Could be wrong. If I am I'll eat my crow and place them appropriately in my poll.

One thing I don't do and most AGS posters strive not to do is slot vote. You can win and drop in my personal poll if someone jumped you or I was under impressed with your performance.

Edit: On your question to Kalm. I don't really have a week that all of a sudden last year no longer matters. Every week last year matters less. I also don't drop someone thinking they may work their way back up. My poll is my best guess at how the season will end this week with what we've seen so far.

Only one team ends up as a non poser.

[milleniumkat]

We get exposed in the quarter finals or semi finals each year. Ok most get exposed before then. Anyway, then we start the next year with a ton of returning players so it's easy for me to see how they could be tricked in to believing that we could make another deep run. I think it will be interesting to see how it works out this year. If we do get lucky enough to go deep again. Next year we will lose a ton of important senior talent so Im just going to to enjoy the delusion. I'm sure there are plenty of other fans that would love to not be exposed until the late rounds of the playoffs. Your success has made you lose touch with the reality of what most fans experience.

If you can't beat the top 2 teams, and the committee usually has guy unranked and you beat everyone but those...then you are a poser. got it.

Shsu has only had a playoff seed twice in six seasons. Yet win at least one game per year. Some of these douche bags just make **** up to act like they have a sweet take.

They don't actually have facts other than the one game per year their backwoods rabbit ears will pick up.
We are not elite, that is a fact, but poser is just not accurate.

[Katfan]

If you can't beat the top 2 teams, and the committee usually has guy unranked and you beat everyone but those...then you are a poser. got it.

Shsu has only had a playoff seed twice in six seasons. Yet win at least one game per year. Some of these douche bags just make **** up to act like they have a sweet take.

They don't actually have facts other than the one game per year their backwoods rabbit ears will pick up.
I wonder what team has the most road wins in the playoffs since 2011?

[milleniumkat]

I wonder what team has the most road wins in the playoffs since 2011?

ummmm...Is it Army?

[kalm]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.


Kalm serious question How long do you consider last years results?
Team A was great last year made deep playoff run. Started season ranked 4th. Lose 2 games, where do you rank them? Do you keep them ranked till "after the dust settles" because you think eventually they will be good? Or do you drop them and they can work their way back up?

Hell I'm a Griz fan and I will say for 5yrs they were ranked waaaaay too high based on past seasons. The reason they were voted the most overrated team in the ags era was because they were voted too damn high to start each year lol.

Anyways thanks for the great discussion I like to find out how people vote and what goes into their thought process.


We get exposed in the quarter finals or semi finals each year. Ok most get exposed before then. Anyway, then we start the next year with a ton of returning players so it's easy for me to see how they could be tricked in to believing that we could make another deep run. I think it will be interesting to see how it works out this year. If we do get lucky enough to go deep again. Next year we will lose a ton of important senior talent so Im just going to to enjoy the delusion. I'm sure there are plenty of other fans that would love to not be exposed until the late rounds of the playoffs. Your success has made you lose touch with the reality of what most fans experience.

Fair point.

[Katfan]

ummmm...Is it Army?
Hint it's an fcs team

[milleniumkat]

Hint it's an fcs team

Colorado State Pueblo?

[BisonTru]

We get exposed in the quarter finals or semi finals each year. Ok most get exposed before then. Anyway, then we start the next year with a ton of returning players so it's easy for me to see how they could be tricked in to believing that we could make another deep run. I think it will be interesting to see how it works out this year. If we do get lucky enough to go deep again. Next year we will lose a ton of important senior talent so Im just going to to enjoy the delusion. I'm sure there are plenty of other fans that would love to not be exposed until the late rounds of the playoffs. Your success has made you lose touch with the reality of what most fans experience.

The last couple seasons I have heard how much Sammy has coming back, but we have a poster here (keeper) that puts together a spreadsheet of what everyone in the nation is returning or losing. Sammy has looked pretty average in regards to returners and not comparatively.

I'm lower on Sammy than most. Top 10, absolutely. Top 4, I'm skeptical. I'll defend that position and eat crow if I'm wrong. NDSU was exposed last year. I felt and voted them number 1 going into the JMU game. We clearly were not.

The great thing about all this is we can argue even ruffle a few feathers, but we will all eventually find out.

[TheKingpin28]

ummmm...Is it Army?


Hint it's an fcs team

Doesn't get it.

[Katfan]

The last couple seasons I have heard how much Sammy has coming back, but we have a poster here (keeper) that puts together a spreadsheet of what everyone in the nation is returning or losing. Sammy has looked pretty average in regards to returners and not comparatively.

I'm lower on Sammy than most. Top 10, absolutely. Top 4, I'm skeptical. I'll defend that position and eat crow if I'm wrong. NDSU was exposed last year. I felt and voted them number 1 going into the JMU game. We clearly were not.

The great thing about all this is we can argue even ruffle a few feathers, but we will all eventually find out.
I agree and I think most of our fans agree 5-10 until we prove otherwise. If you mean stats poll I agree problem is in that poll you lose to Alabama by a point and you lose ground. I think most ags voters do a very good job. This year each week has had its surprises. By returning players I don't just mean quantity I mean quality as well.

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Doesn't get it.
It is MK. Don't expect too much.

[milleniumkat]

The last couple seasons I have heard how much Sammy has coming back, but we have a poster here (keeper) that puts together a spreadsheet of what everyone in the nation is returning or losing. Sammy has looked pretty average in regards to returners and not comparatively.

I'm lower on Sammy than most. Top 10, absolutely. Top 4, I'm skeptical. I'll defend that position and eat crow if I'm wrong. NDSU was exposed last year. I felt and voted them number 1 going into the JMU game. We clearly were not.

The great thing about all this is we can argue even ruffle a few feathers, but we will all eventually find out.

exactly and i can live with the results. and u can admit when i am wrong.

[milleniumkat]

I agree and I think most of our fans agree 5-10 until we prove otherwise. If you mean stats poll I agree problem is in that poll you lose to Alabama by a point and you lose ground. I think most ags voters do a very good job. This year each week has had its surprises. By returning players I don't just mean quantity I mean quality as well.

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It is MK. Don't expect too much.

i got it. Lamar?

[Professor Chaos]

i got it. Lamar?
Lamar who though?

Lamar Gordon???
http://www.harlonhill.com/2001/lamar_gordon.jpg

Lamar Jackson???
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/625/921/hi-res-0f9c3c508da7a834e0dfb18a0fddb661_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75

Headey Lamar???
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/04/f1/4804f14c7411098c6fc28b4f254de115.jpg

[The Pud]

The last couple seasons I have heard how much Sammy has coming back, but we have a poster here (keeper) that puts together a spreadsheet of what everyone in the nation is returning or losing. Sammy has looked pretty average in regards to returners and not comparatively.

I'm lower on Sammy than most. Top 10, absolutely. Top 4, I'm skeptical. I'll defend that position and eat crow if I'm wrong. NDSU was exposed last year. I felt and voted them number 1 going into the JMU game. We clearly were not.

The great thing about all this is we can argue even ruffle a few feathers, but we will all eventually find out.

Cannot argue with this logic. Seems reasonable to me.

[ST_Lawson]

Lamar who though?
....
Headey Lamar???
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/04/f1/4804f14c7411098c6fc28b4f254de115.jpg

"Give the governor a harumpf"

[kalm]

Last year matters. I would get your point if everyone graduated everyone and had to build a brand new team. That's not the case.

EWU is a perennial playoff team and UND was a playoff team last year. Odds are once the dust settles that will be true again. If not they will fall out of the poll. USD looks impressive so far, but it's also likely they get beat around some in the MVFC.

Really we shouldn't do a poll until after we finish the season, but whats the fun in that. Polls are for fans. If you don't like them don't look at them.


Kalm serious question How long do you consider last years results?
Team A was great last year made deep playoff run. Started season ranked 4th. Lose 2 games, where do you rank them? Do you keep them ranked till "after the dust settles" because you think eventually they will be good? Or do you drop them and they can work their way back up?

Hell I'm a Griz fan and I will say for 5yrs they were ranked waaaaay too high based on past seasons. The reason they were voted the most overrated team in the ags era was because they were voted too damn high to start each year lol.

Anyways thanks for the great discussion I like to find out how people vote and what goes into their thought process.


"Give the governor a harumpf"

It's Hedley!

[Professor Chaos]

It's Hedley!
kalm, I think you need to go back to posts 202 and 207 in this thread and uncheck the little multi-quote icon in the lower right side of the post. xlolx

[milleniumkat]

Lamar who though?

Lamar Gordon???
http://www.harlonhill.com/2001/lamar_gordon.jpg

Lamar Jackson???
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/625/921/hi-res-0f9c3c508da7a834e0dfb18a0fddb661_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75

Headey Lamar???
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/04/f1/4804f14c7411098c6fc28b4f254de115.jpg

No no. Revenge of the Nerds Lamar.

[UNIFanSince1983]

No no. Revenge of the Nerds Lamar.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTb1ia5esMA

[milleniumkat]

That's the one.

[TheRevSFA]

No no. Revenge of the Nerds Lamar.

Now clap your hands everybody...and everybody clap your hands.

[milleniumkat]

Now clap your hands everybody...and everybody clap your hands.

Lambda lambda lambda and..Omega Mu!!


MK: What am i going to do today?

Brain: Derail two AGS threads as a rebellion against the Thursday blues.

MK: Will do!

CHECK!

[ST_Lawson]

Lambda lambda lambda and..Omega Mu!!


MK: What am i going to do today?

Brain: Derail two AGS threads as a rebellion against the Thursday blues.

MK: Will do!

CHECK!

Works for me. I love thread derailment.


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[thebootfitter]

I was gonna guess Hazzard County. Ever meet them Duke boys?
Oops!!! I just accidentally deducted reputation from Serpentor for this. It was supposed to be adding! Not sure how it happened, but if Ursus can maybe fix it? Sorry.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Had to give kudos. :-)

[Serpentor]

Oops!!! I just accidentally deducted reputation from Serpentor for this. It was supposed to be adding! Not sure how it happened, but if Ursus can maybe fix it? Sorry.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Had to give kudos. :-)

I wonder why I felt part of my soul ripped from me...

It's all good!

[URMite]

Lambda lambda lambda and..Omega Mu!!


MK: What am i going to do today?

Brain: Derail two AGS threads as a rebellion against the Thursday blues.

MK: Will do!

CHECK!
https://68.media.tumblr.com/314d8cf598524b2f423116ee2f9558d3/tumblr_n30v44qFtR1svt5w5o1_400.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/VspTn3CPKAHoA/giphy.gif

[Schism55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdN0YgNMf_I
Lamar killin it on the mic!
Revenge of the Nerds 2 is freaking awesome btw xthumbsupx

[milleniumkat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdN0YgNMf_I
Lamar killin it on the mic!
Revenge of the Nerds 2 is freaking awesome btw xthumbsupx

That scene reminds me of how i envision the first week or two of AGS. No?

[McNeese72]

Maybe subconsciously...xsmiley_wix I've been on Nicholls all season. I think they are better than the national (and conference) perception....

Even though we lost to them, they really didn't look that good when we played them.

Doc

[cx500d]

Ranks UT-Martin but not Tennessee State. Makes sense.

Yes it did, didn't it? Doubter.....


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[ElCid]

Ranks UT-Martin but not Tennessee State. Makes sense.


Yes it did, didn't it? Doubter.....


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Yeah, I had them both ranked with Tenn-Martin over Tenn St. Both were in the 20-25 range. Tenn-Martin looks pretty good this year.

[ElCid]

Interesting to note that 8 top 25 teams lost today...and five top 25 teams were idle. That's 40% of those playing...losing. More interesting to note is that 6 of them lost to non-top 25 teams. And 4 of those lost to team that were not even receiving any votes. Hmm. Somewhat of a wild day.

[JSUSoutherner]

Yes it did, didn't it? Doubter.....


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Fair enough.

[NorthChuckSouth]

Interesting to note that 8 top 25 teams lost today...and five top 25 teams were idle. That's 40% of those playing...losing. More interesting to note is that 6 of them lost to non-top 25 teams. And 4 of those lost to team that were not even receiving any votes. Hmm. Somewhat of a wild day.

https://i.imgur.com/itMcsy5.gif
Everyone filling in their poll tomorrow

[cx500d]

Fair enough.

Thanks for manning up...

[PantherRob82]

https://i.imgur.com/itMcsy5.gif
Everyone filling in their poll tomorrow

It was a tough vote today