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BisonTru
October 31st, 2016, 11:58 AM
STATS FCS Poll


Rankings as of 10/31/2016


Rank
School
Votes
Prev


1
Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (8-0)
3467 (102)
1


2
Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (7-1)
3346 (15)
2


3
Eastern Washington (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0113) (7-1)
3253 (18)
3


4
North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (7-1)
3090 (4)
4


5
Citadel (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0172) (8-0)
2961 (3)
5


6
Richmond (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0198) (7-1)
2823
6


7
James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (7-1)
2762
8


8
Charleston Southern (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0211) (5-2)
2484
9


9
Chattanooga (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0177) (8-1)
2464
10


10
Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (6-2)
1963
11


11
North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (7-1)
1788
12


12
Western Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0126) (6-2)
1786
13


13
South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (5-3)
1783
7


14
Cal Poly (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0108) (6-2)
1642
14


15
Youngstown State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0225) (6-2)
1603
15


16
North Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0308) (7-2)
1526
17


17
Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (7-1)
1384
19


18
Coastal Carolina (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2316) (6-2)
1233
18


19
Montana (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0116) (5-3)
891
16


20
Samford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0218) (6-2)
885
20


21
Grambling State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0189) (5-1)
815
21


22
New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (6-3)
565
NR


23
Harvard (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0131) (6-1)
476
24


24
Lehigh (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0164) (7-2)
467
NR


25
Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (5-3)
124
22


Others: Maine (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0203) (78) , Eastern Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0120) (68) , Albany (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0546) (49) , South Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0311) (48) , Weber State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0119) (42) , North Carolina Central (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0621) (42) , Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (33) , San Diego (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0169) (31) , UNI (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0123) (29) , Saint Francis U (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0219) (28) , Liberty (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0215) (24) , Penn (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0132) (20) , Sacred Heart (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0259) (20) , UT Martin (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0156) (17) , Northern Arizona (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0118) (12) , Tennessee State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0157) (9) , Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (7) , Fordham (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0161) (4) , McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (2) , Nicholls (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0181) (2) , Kennesaw State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2610) (2) , Southern Utah (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0111) (1) , Southern University (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0193) (1)

BisonTru
October 31st, 2016, 12:01 PM
Also of note the committee is releasing it's top 10 this Thursday. Here is a little about it from Stats as well as some discussion of where SHSU will fit in.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20161030095717201231404

On Thursday, the selection committee will release the first of three weekly Top 10 rankings - much like what happens on the FBS level. It's a new feature of the committee leading into Selection Sunday on Nov. 20. The first rankings will be aired on ESPN's "College Football Live," which begins at 3 p.m. ET.Sam Houston State is top-ranked in the STATS FCS Top 25 and in other leading FCS polls. But the Bearkats, playing in a relatively down Southland Conference, are lacking a high strength of schedule, so the committee may not have them atop its first rankings.The STATS postseason projection has had the Bearkats as the fourth seed in recent weeks, behind North Dakota State, Eastern Washington and Jacksonville State.

dewey
October 31st, 2016, 12:01 PM
Here is Bison Media Blog and WDAY sports director Dom Izzo's top 25
https://www.bisonmediazone.com/doms-fcs-poll-thru-week-9-3/

Here is Bison Media Blog and Fargo Forum sports writer Jeff Kolpacks top 25.
https://www.bisonmediazone.com/top-25-ballot-no-change-at-the-top/

Dewey

RedFlash
October 31st, 2016, 12:47 PM
Here is Bison Media Blog and WDAY sports director Dom Izzo's top 25
https://www.bisonmediazone.com/doms-fcs-poll-thru-week-9-3/


Man, this Izzo guy is a tough grader. If I'm reading this correctly, he had StFU 20th in his poll last week, and after they beat a 6-1 Sacred Heart team by 21 on the road this week, he drops them down three spots.

Now, in fairness, even I wouldn't have had them at #20 last week (or this week for that matter) so perhaps I should just shut up and be on my way.

BisonTru
October 31st, 2016, 12:52 PM
Man, this Izzo guy is a tough grader. If I'm reading this correctly, he had StFU 20th in his poll last week, and after they beat a 6-1 Sacred Heart team by 21 on the road this week, he drops them down three spots.

Now, in fairness, even I wouldn't have had them at #20 last week (or this week for that matter) so perhaps I should just shut up and be on my way.

It's a misprint. He had Sacred Heart at 20. He moved St. Francis in to 22, and dropped SHU out of his poll.

milleniumkat
October 31st, 2016, 01:21 PM
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BisonTru
October 31st, 2016, 01:25 PM
They did eliminate those 27 votes Montana St was getting.

This poll doesn't look to bad, but just to layout some stark contrasts from the AGS poll Sam Houston is getting 73% of the top votes where as the AGS voters are only giving them 5% of the top ballot. Eastern Washington on the other hand is receiving over half of the AGS top votes, but only a little over 12% of the Stats voters are giving them the top nod.

It'll be interesting to see what the committee reveals later this week.

RedFlash
October 31st, 2016, 01:42 PM
It's a misprint. He had Sacred Heart at 20. He moved St. Francis in to 22, and dropped SHU out of his poll.

Thanks for the info. I knew there had to be a logical explanation.

Mayville Bison
October 31st, 2016, 01:46 PM
Not sure I understand the top 5 rankings order here (or AGS poll). I can understand NDSU being anywhere from 1-5 as it sits (Giving them #1 is the least likely in my mind followed by #5). Different #1 ranking scenarios

#1 - EWU ranked #1. You are rewarding a high strength of schedule and propose the argument EWU should have beat NDSU at home and could likely beat them at EWU or at a neutral site. Fair, but then you almost have to rank SHSU, JSU, and The Citadel behind NDSU as NDSU's strength of schedule and quality of wins should move them past teams with less quality wins.
#2 - SHSU ranked #1. You are rewarding results on the field and an undefeated record. The Citadel and JSU (undefeated FCS record) have similar arguments. Fair, but then you have to give NDSU the nod as the results on the field (head to head) should give them the bump over EWU.
#3 - JSU ranked #1. See #2
#4 - The Citadel ranked #1. See #2

I know these polls are a collective, but I just don't get the reasoning at times. It's not a big deal as we have plenty of football left to watch and polls are semi-meaningless to the committee, but I'm just trying to find a way to have the above ranking or the AGS poll ranking if it were one person's line of reasoning. This is not intended to be a pissing match over who actually is #1-#5.

Thumper 76
October 31st, 2016, 01:51 PM
This is not intended to be a pissing match over who actually is #1-#5.
xlolx good luck with that.

dewey
October 31st, 2016, 02:02 PM
Not sure I understand the top 5 rankings order here (or AGS poll). I can understand NDSU being anywhere from 1-5 as it sits (Giving them #1 is the least likely in my mind followed by #5). Different #1 ranking scenarios

#1 - EWU ranked #1. You are rewarding a high strength of schedule and propose the argument EWU should have beat NDSU at home and could likely beat them at EWU or at a neutral site. Fair, but then you almost have to rank SHSU, JSU, and The Citadel behind NDSU as NDSU's strength of schedule and quality of wins should move them past teams with less quality wins.
#2 - SHSU ranked #1. You are rewarding results on the field and an undefeated record. The Citadel and JSU (undefeated FCS record) have similar arguments. Fair, but then you have to give NDSU the nod as the results on the field (head to head) should give them the bump over EWU.
#3 - JSU ranked #1. See #2
#4 - The Citadel ranked #1. See #2

I know these polls are a collective, but I just don't get the reasoning at times. It's not a big deal as we have plenty of football left to watch and polls are semi-meaningless to the committee, but I'm just trying to find a way to have the above ranking or the AGS poll ranking if it were one person's line of reasoning. This is not intended to be a pissing match over who actually is #1-#5.

If a person is voting SHSU #1 because they are undefeated then The Citadel should be above them since they beat top 10 Chattanooga while SHSU has yet to have a quality win.

Dewey

UNIFanSince1983
October 31st, 2016, 02:14 PM
If a person is voting SHSU #1 because they are undefeated then The Citadel should be above them since they beat top 10 Chattanooga while SHSU has yet to have a quality win.

Dewey

But are they blowing those teams out? Because apparently playing crappy teams and winning by a million is all that really matters.

Mayville Bison
October 31st, 2016, 02:15 PM
If a person is voting SHSU #1 because they are undefeated then The Citadel should be above them since they beat top 10 Chattanooga while SHSU has yet to have a quality win.

Dewey

While I agree (I have The Citadel #3 and SHSU #5), name recognition from recent playoffs is definitely giving SHSU the edge over The Citadel.

dewey
October 31st, 2016, 03:43 PM
While I agree (I have The Citadel #3 and SHSU #5), name recognition from recent playoffs is definitely giving SHSU the edge over The Citadel.

Agreed. I have The Citadel at #4 and SHSU at #6.

Dewey

bobcathpdevil56
October 31st, 2016, 04:11 PM
Not trying to start anything here, but SHSU shouldn't be #1, they don't have a strong SOS.

Hehehe

flyrod
October 31st, 2016, 04:21 PM
But are they blowing those teams out? Because apparently playing crappy teams and winning by a million is all that really matters.

But
isnt that what your suppose to do to crappy teams "Blow them out"
or should every game be 7-6 or 17-14. ( I guess you want parity in every Division/League/Conference )
Problem is parity wont happen there isnt parity in real life.
Damn
the teams/players/coaches dont make the schedule they just have to play them....You can only beat those on your schedule any given year.
Blame the AD's
the teams are doing what they are suppose to do WIN against who's on their schedule.

UNIFanSince1983
October 31st, 2016, 04:39 PM
But
isnt that what your suppose to do to crappy teams "Blow them out"
or should every game be 7-6 or 17-14. ( I guess you want parity in every Division/League/Conference )
Problem is parity wont happen there isnt parity in real life.
Damn
the teams/players/coaches dont make the schedule they just have to play them....You can only beat those on your schedule any given year.
Blame the AD's
the teams are doing what they are suppose to do WIN against who's on their schedule.

Of course you are. But the argument is if you are strictly voting teams based on record shouldn't The Citadel be ranked up there too? Arguably The Citadel should be ahead of SHSU because they have played a much tougher schedule and are still undefeated.

Sammy94
October 31st, 2016, 04:51 PM
The Citadel should be ahead of SHSU because they have played a much tougher schedule and are still undefeated.


STATS as did Athlon had SHSU ranked #2 in the preseason. The schedule was already set after their rankings, perhaps they have the opinion that a team was returning most of the players from a 2015 semis team with a better QB at helm in 2016 was justified of this ranking. So far in the Bearkats have not changed their opinion and has moved up as they moved up after their #1 team NDSU lost. We all know your opinion is different that has been clearly noted.

UNIFanSince1983
October 31st, 2016, 04:57 PM
I understand. However, that is the issue with the voting done in the STATS and Coaches poll. Slot voting at it's best. "Well they haven't lost let's just keep um there." As opposed to actually watching games and seeing teams play. And realizing that other teams have proven more this season. SHSU's best win 4-4 Nicholls. The Citadel's best win 8-1 Chatty who was preseason Top 10 or maybe even Top 5 don't recall. I would say there is a difference. But because of slot voting The Citadel only gets as high as #5 right now. This poll is trash and for more reasons than just SHSU being #1.

Catatonic
October 31st, 2016, 05:02 PM
Not sure I understand the top 5 rankings order here (or AGS poll). I can understand NDSU being anywhere from 1-5 as it sits (Giving them #1 is the least likely in my mind followed by #5). Different #1 ranking scenarios

#1 - EWU ranked #1. You are rewarding a high strength of schedule and propose the argument EWU should have beat NDSU at home and could likely beat them at EWU or at a neutral site. Fair, but then you almost have to rank SHSU, JSU, and The Citadel behind NDSU as NDSU's strength of schedule and quality of wins should move them past teams with less quality wins.
#2 - SHSU ranked #1. You are rewarding results on the field and an undefeated record. The Citadel and JSU (undefeated FCS record) have similar arguments. Fair, but then you have to give NDSU the nod as the results on the field (head to head) should give them the bump over EWU.
#3 - JSU ranked #1. See #2
#4 - The Citadel ranked #1. See #2

I know these polls are a collective, but I just don't get the reasoning at times. It's not a big deal as we have plenty of football left to watch and polls are semi-meaningless to the committee, but I'm just trying to find a way to have the above ranking or the AGS poll ranking if it were one person's line of reasoning. This is not intended to be a pissing match over who actually is #1-#5.

I have SHSU at number one. A perfect record is certainly one factor. Other factors include results vs the spread, which helps offset an admittedly weak SOS, and the number of starters back the 2015 team that went deep in the play offs.

FargoBison
October 31st, 2016, 05:51 PM
This is the worst poll in college football. The people who vote in it should be ashamed at how awful and lazy they are.

Lazy garbage slot voting, no consideration at all for what teams are doing or have done. Thank god this has nothing to do with playoff seeding.

FargoBison
October 31st, 2016, 05:54 PM
I understand. However, that is the issue with the voting done in the STATS and Coaches poll. Slot voting at it's best. "Well they haven't lost let's just keep um there." As opposed to actually watching games and seeing teams play. And realizing that other teams have proven more this season. SHSU's best win 4-4 Nicholls. The Citadel's best win 8-1 Chatty who was preseason Top 10 or maybe even Top 5 don't recall. I would say there is a difference. But because of slot voting The Citadel only gets as high as #5 right now. This poll is trash and for more reasons than just SHSU being #1.

NDSU or EWU could run their schedule out, beating the teams they play by 30 each week and wouldn't move past SHSU or JSU if they kept winning. Hell NDSU wins at WIU and UNI in back to back weeks and loses points.

YoUDeeMan
October 31st, 2016, 10:23 PM
I have SHSU at number one. A perfect record is certainly one factor. Other factors include results vs the spread, which helps offset an admittedly weak SOS, and the number of starters back the 2015 team that went deep in the play offs.

We have found a poster that actually THINKS!

Congrats...thought people like you were extinct on this site. xthumbsupx

YoUDeeMan
October 31st, 2016, 10:30 PM
"Well they haven't lost let's just keep um there." As opposed to actually watching games and seeing teams play. And realizing that other teams have proven more this season.

When you watch SHSU, what do you see?

YoUDeeMan
October 31st, 2016, 10:36 PM
NDSU or EWU could run their schedule out, beating the teams they play by 30 each week and wouldn't move past SHSU or JSU if they kept winning. Hell NDSU wins at WIU and UNI in back to back weeks and loses points.

That's because NDSU played like crap. People should really pay attention to things like hwo a team is actually playing instead of looking at a silly schedule.

Just because you win doesn't mean you are good (funny how that works, isn't it). UNI sucks...even their followers know it. But hey, SOS, right. xlolx

Bison have some obvious weaknesses that multiple teams have exposed. They aren't the #1 team...not top 4.

TheKingpin28
October 31st, 2016, 10:37 PM
That's because NDSU played like crap. People should really pay attention to things like hwo a team is actually playing instead of looking at a silly schedule.

Just because you win doesn't mean you are good (funny how that works, isn't it). UNI sucks...even their followers know it. But hey, SOS, right. xlolx

Bison have some obvious weaknesses that multiple teams have exposed. They aren't the #1 team...not top 4.

And SHSU is? When you finally play a team, you are obliterated time and time again.

Thumper 76
October 31st, 2016, 10:51 PM
Bison have some obvious weaknesses that multiple teams have exposed. They aren't the #1 team...not top 4.

I'm sure playing a team that is capable of revealing weaknesses has nothing to do with that....

BisonTru
October 31st, 2016, 10:55 PM
When you watch SHSU, what do you see?

An up tempo air raid team that scores quickly and often against weaker competition, that once they face a team that can matchup defensively will have some quick 3 and outs. Putting a ton of pressure on their defense if their opponent has any offense at all could fold like cheap chair. See JSU last year, See NDSU two years ago.

Sammy94
October 31st, 2016, 11:11 PM
An up tempo air raid team that scores quickly and often against weaker competition, that once they face a team that can matchup defensively will have some quick 3 and outs. Putting a ton of pressure on their defense if their opponent has any offense at all could fold like cheap chair. See JSU last year, See NDSU two years ago.

so comparing a 2014 air raid system with a qb that was not the best at throwing the ball
and a 2 qb system last season to a qb leading most passing catagories this season is all the same? Better continue ranking teams by sos or what a computer tells you.

FargoBison
October 31st, 2016, 11:12 PM
That's because NDSU played like crap. People should really pay attention to things like hwo a team is actually playing instead of looking at a silly schedule.

Just because you win doesn't mean you are good (funny how that works, isn't it). UNI sucks...even their followers know it. But hey, SOS, right. xlolx

Bison have some obvious weaknesses that multiple teams have exposed. They aren't the #1 team...not top 4.

7-1 and back to back road wins...things seem to be going alright in Bisonland.

With all these weaknesses how in the hell do we keep on winning? We've played what 6 ranked teams...How in the hell can only one figure out how to beat a crappy NDSU team? They only were able to figure it out in the final seconds of the game.

Sammy94
October 31st, 2016, 11:15 PM
That's because NDSU played like crap. People should really pay attention to things like hwo a team is actually playing instead of looking at a silly schedule.

Just because you win doesn't mean you are good (funny how that works, isn't it). UNI sucks...even their followers know it. But hey, SOS, right. xlolx

Bison have some obvious weaknesses that multiple teams have exposed. They aren't the #1 team...not top 4.

Cluck I am usually with you but what 4 teams are better than the Bison?

BisonTru
October 31st, 2016, 11:49 PM
so comparing a 2014 air raid system with a qb that was not the best at throwing the ball
and a 2 qb system last season to a qb leading most passing catagories this season is all the same? Better continue ranking teams by sos or what a computer tells you.

Your quarterbacks don't even read a defense in your system. I don't think you could have a more plug and play system for the quarterback.

Anyway you guys want to slice this, you haven't played a solid team yet. You will, tho. Some of us are hesitant to crown you folks tell then.

1984
November 1st, 2016, 07:38 AM
The real fun thing with FCS is that by the end of the season we do know where teams rank that year. All those poles mean nothing at that point.

TheRevSFA
November 1st, 2016, 07:53 AM
I have SHSU at number one. A perfect record is certainly one factor. Other factors include results vs the spread, which helps offset an admittedly weak SOS, and the number of starters back the 2015 team that went deep in the play offs.

Where do you have the Citadel?

katstrapper
November 1st, 2016, 08:24 AM
Your quarterbacks don't even read a defense in your system. I don't think you could have a more plug and play system for the quarterback.

Anyway you guys want to slice this, you haven't played a solid team yet. You will, tho. Some of us are hesitant to crown you folks tell then.

What the heck are you talking about? So you are saying that QB's can only read defenses in a pro style offense? I love Bison fans, but you just lost all credibility with this statement.

Eastern Washington runs same offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Jacksonville St runs a similar offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Or is it just because they have played a stronger schedule that their QB's have to read defenses?

The only argument about SHSU I have seen on this board is about the schedule. I will concede that the SLC is definitely down this year and the 2016 schedule is less than stellar, but the players don't make the schedule. Just for sake of repeating myself, New Mexico backed out late so SHSU had to grab someone to fill the spot.( Ok- Panhandle St). Last weeks game vs Tx Southern was actually supposed to be a bye week, but SHSU picked up the game because they needed another D-I game. So moving forward.....

2017 .... Richmond, Prarie View
2018 .... North Dakota, Prarie View
2019 .... North Dakota

All you whiners about the SHSU schedule, why don't you try and get your Athletic Departments to contact SHSU for some home and home series and line it up on the field? I bet there would only be a handful of programs that would make the call.

Bucs2016
November 1st, 2016, 08:27 AM
What the heck are you talking about? So you are saying that QB's can only read defenses in a pro style offense? I love Bison fans, but you just lost all credibility with this statement.

Eastern Washington runs same offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Jacksonville St runs a similar offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Or is it just because they have played a stronger schedule that their QB's have to read defenses?

The only argument about SHSU I have seen on this board is about the schedule. I will concede that the SLC is definitely down this year and the 2016 schedule is less than stellar, but the players don't make the schedule. Just for sake of repeating myself, New Mexico backed out late so SHSU had to grab someone to fill the spot.( Ok- Panhandle St). Last weeks game vs Tx Southern was actually supposed to be a bye week, but SHSU picked up the game because they needed another D-I game. So moving forward.....

2017 .... Richmond, Prarie View
2018 .... North Dakota, Prarie View
2019 .... North Dakota

All you whiners about the SHSU schedule, why don't you try and get your Athletic Departments to contact SHSU for some home and home series and line it up on the field? I bet there would only be a handful of programs that would make the call.

Sam Houston State and Charleston Southern should sign a deal for a yearly out of conference series vs each other. Seems everyone's knock on SHSU and CSU is their schedules. We could play each other!

Thumper 76
November 1st, 2016, 08:43 AM
What the heck are you talking about? So you are saying that QB's can only read defenses in a pro style offense? I love Bison fans, but you just lost all credibility with this statement.

Eastern Washington runs same offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Jacksonville St runs a similar offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Or is it just because they have played a stronger schedule that their QB's have to read defenses?

The only argument about SHSU I have seen on this board is about the schedule. I will concede that the SLC is definitely down this year and the 2016 schedule is less than stellar, but the players don't make the schedule. Just for sake of repeating myself, New Mexico backed out late so SHSU had to grab someone to fill the spot.( Ok- Panhandle St). Last weeks game vs Tx Southern was actually supposed to be a bye week, but SHSU picked up the game because they needed another D-I game. So moving forward.....

2017 .... Richmond, Prarie View
2018 .... North Dakota, Prarie View
2019 .... North Dakota

All you whiners about the SHSU schedule, why don't you try and get your Athletic Departments to contact SHSU for some home and home series and line it up on the field? I bet there would only be a handful of programs that would make the call.
Did you read the article where your own coach says your QB doesn't need to read? Or no?

Sammy94
November 1st, 2016, 08:43 AM
Sam Houston State and Charleston Southern should sign a deal for a yearly out of conference series vs each other.

That would be a great series.

F'N Hawks
November 1st, 2016, 08:46 AM
2017 .... Richmond, Prarie View
2018 .... North Dakota, Prarie View
2019 .... North Dakota

All you whiners about the SHSU schedule, why don't you try and get your Athletic Departments to contact SHSU for some home and home series and line it up on the field? I bet there would only be a handful of programs that would make the call.

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Mayville Bison
November 1st, 2016, 08:46 AM
I have SHSU at number one. A perfect record is certainly one factor. Other factors include results vs the spread, which helps offset an admittedly weak SOS, and the number of starters back the 2015 team that went deep in the play offs.

I should have put the bolded part of the post first instead of last. SMH

In the actual post, I said ranking SHSU #1 was "fair", but was wondering how EWU could be ranked ahead of NDSU. If you are ranking SHSU based on results on the field (spread), you have to certainly give NDSU credit for beating EWU on the field, correct?


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Please forgive me for trying to get into a discussion about voting philosophies. We can now go back to our regularly scheduled broadcast of tearing on anyone associated with the midwest or further west.

Sammy94
November 1st, 2016, 08:47 AM
Did you read the article where your own coach says your QB doesn't need to read? Or no?



In this system, the QB goes from first look to second look to third look. "We don’t even call them reads,” Longo said.

We don't call them reads, you're are right about that.

UNIFanSince1983
November 1st, 2016, 09:28 AM
When you watch SHSU, what do you see?

I see a team that is very reminiscent of EWU. Lots and lots of offense. They will put up points. Similar to a Baylor too. However, there is a defense that is extremely lacking. I also see a team that has yet to be tested. Not a single team they have beaten has a winning record. To me that is very dangerous. Usually getting tested proves mettle. We know they are very good as front runners. What happens if they get behind late in a game? How will they respond?

What do you see?

Serpentor
November 1st, 2016, 09:39 AM
I see a team that is very reminiscent of EWU. Lots and lots of offense. They will put up points. Similar to a Baylor too. However, there is a defense that is extremely lacking. I also see a team that has yet to be tested. Not a single team they have beaten has a winning record. To me that is very dangerous. Usually getting tested proves mettle. We know they are very good as front runners. What happens if they get behind late in a game? How will they respond?

What do you see?

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Professor Chaos
November 1st, 2016, 09:51 AM
I see a team that is very reminiscent of EWU. Lots and lots of offense. They will put up points. Similar to a Baylor too. However, there is a defense that is extremely lacking. I also see a team that has yet to be tested. Not a single team they have beaten has a winning record. To me that is very dangerous. Usually getting tested proves mettle. We know they are very good as front runners. What happens if they get behind late in a game? How will they respond?

What do you see?
This is a great point and it's not hating on SHSU or their schedule it's just a fact of life. In football, just like in everything in life, you improve more when you're taken out of your comfort zone. SHSU is a good team but they'd only be better if they played against a few teams that challenged them, or even beat them, because that's going to take them out of their comfort zone and improve them more than coasting to 40 point wins against overmatched foes.

Is SHSU good enough to run through the playoffs without being challenged? That's very debatable. Even the best team NDSU has fielded during this run, the 2013 team, was tested twice early in the year by Kansas St and UNI. I'd bet if you go back and ask those players about that season other than the title game they'd point to those two games as being the most emblematic wins for the team that year.

Serpentor
November 1st, 2016, 10:12 AM
This is a great point and it's not hating on SHSU or their schedule it's just a fact of life. In football, just like in everything in life, you improve more when you're taken out of your comfort zone. SHSU is a good team but they'd only be better if they played against a few teams that challenged them, or even beat them, because that's going to take them out of their comfort zone and improve them more than coasting to 40 point wins against overmatched foes.

Is SHSU good enough to run through the playoffs without being challenged? That's very debatable. Even the best team NDSU has fielded during this run, the 2013 team, was tested twice early in the year by Kansas St and UNI. I'd bet if you go back and ask those players about that season other than the title game they'd point to those two games as being the most emblematic wins for the team that year.

A fair and reasonable assessment, and we hope this weekend against McNeese prepares us for the playoffs. This will be a team that comes to Huntsville looking for blood, and we will need to have our best game face one.

On a side note, Serpentor is impressed with Professor Chaos' schemes for world domination. Would you like to join Cobra, you'd definitely be more useful than Major Blood, that's for sure!

Professor Chaos
November 1st, 2016, 10:14 AM
A fair and reasonable assessment, and we hope this weekend against McNeese prepares us for the playoffs. This will be a team that comes to Huntsville looking for blood, and we will need to have our best game face one.

On a side note, Serpentor is impressed with Professor Chaos' schemes for world domination. Would you like to join Cobra, you'd definitely be more useful than Major Blood, that's for sure!
Sorry, I already have a sidekick.... what he lacks for in size he makes up for in sheer badassness.

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milleniumkat
November 1st, 2016, 11:28 AM
Not trying to start anything here, but SHSU shouldn't be #1, they don't have a strong SOS.

Hehehe

lolol. well played!!


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BisonTru
November 1st, 2016, 12:11 PM
What the heck are you talking about? So you are saying that QB's can only read defenses in a pro style offense? I love Bison fans, but you just lost all credibility with this statement.

Eastern Washington runs same offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Jacksonville St runs a similar offense, so their QB doesn't have to read a defense?
Or is it just because they have played a stronger schedule that their QB's have to read defenses?

The only argument about SHSU I have seen on this board is about the schedule. I will concede that the SLC is definitely down this year and the 2016 schedule is less than stellar, but the players don't make the schedule. Just for sake of repeating myself, New Mexico backed out late so SHSU had to grab someone to fill the spot.( Ok- Panhandle St). Last weeks game vs Tx Southern was actually supposed to be a bye week, but SHSU picked up the game because they needed another D-I game. So moving forward.....

2017 .... Richmond, Prarie View
2018 .... North Dakota, Prarie View
2019 .... North Dakota

All you whiners about the SHSU schedule, why don't you try and get your Athletic Departments to contact SHSU for some home and home series and line it up on the field? I bet there would only be a handful of programs that would make the call.

Go read the article on your offense. It's designed to delegate as much responsibility away from the QB as possible including asking the receivers to read the defense and run appropriate routes vs. the QB doing this.

My whole point is that with a lot of these offenses Eastern Washington's included (FWIW every offense is different and EWU may ask their QB to do more or less than SHSU), they produce QBs that put up ridiculous stats. When one graduates or gets hurt the next one in line jumps in and produces similar numbers. IMO, all of these spread air raid systems aren't out recruiting everyone on finding QBs. It's the system. So when (fill in the blank) QB starts blowing up in Huntsville or Cheney my first thought isn't "well they really must have found somebody" it's "well, they got the offense pumping on all cylinders."

And back to the schedule stuff although I've addressed some of it, you've got the Big Sky and MVFC that are both struggling to find games. Both conferences would have plenty of interested parties if your AD picked up the phone. At this point we really don't know how hard or not your AD or any other AD is working to find these games. I know for NDSU we have room for a '18 away, '19 home series or a '18 at home and a '20 away series.

dudeitsaid
November 1st, 2016, 12:25 PM
Go read the article on your offense. It's designed to delegate as much responsibility away from the QB as possible including asking the receivers to read the defense and run appropriate routes vs. the QB doing this.

My whole point is that with a lot of these offenses Eastern Washington's included (FWIW every offense is different and EWU may ask their QB to do more or less than SHSU), they produce QBs that put up ridiculous stats. When one graduates or gets hurt the next one in line jumps in and produces similar numbers. IMO, all of these spread air raid systems aren't out recruiting everyone on finding QBs. It's the system. So when (fill in the blank) QB starts blowing up in Huntsville or Cheney my first thought isn't "well they really must have found somebody" it's "well, they got the offense pumping on all cylinders."

And back to the schedule stuff although I've addressed some of it, you've got the Big Sky and MVFC that are both struggling to find games. Both conferences would have plenty of interested parties if your AD picked up the phone. At this point we really don't know how hard or not your AD or any other AD is working to find these games. I know for NDSU we have room for a '18 away, '19 home series or a '18 at home and a '20 away series.

To that point, SHSU has scheduled EWU when EWU was the top team in BSC, and now they have UND, a team that has been on the rise (though I don't know how much so when the game was scheduled), and is now at the top of the BSC. And with Prairie View on the rise, SHSU obviously isn't running from competition. I do think SHSU has the opposite issue of UNI. UNI has a tough enough conference, they would use a couple easy wins to pad their W/L ratio before the gauntlet of the MVFC, while SHSU should try to schedule perennial powerhouses to build it's SOS and quality wins for top seeding in the playoffs.

grizband
November 1st, 2016, 12:45 PM
The argument isn't against SHSU being a good, possibly great, team. The trepidation from AGS voters to rank them #1 directly correlates to their schedule, and overall quality of competition.

Example, if you watched Montana play Sacramento State and Mississippi Valley State, you saw the Griz dominated opponents as thoroughly as possible. However, the Griz have faltered when playing better competition, exposing deficiencies we didn't see earlier.

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