AGS Poll Results - Week 11 - 2014

[AGSPoll]

Results for 11/10/2014 AGS Poll:

Well, it's been a long time since we haven't had #1 locked down by NDSU. Congrats to the UNH Widcats for taking over #1.



1
New Hampshire Wildcats
1904
44


2
North Dakota State Bison
1830
26


3
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1768
8


4
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1715



5
Villanova Wildcats
1629



6
Eastern Washington Eagles
1567



7
Illinois State Redbirds
1516



8
Fordham Rams
1269



9
Richmond Spiders
1125



10
Chattanooga Mocs
1114



11
Northern Iowa Panthers
1051



12
Youngstown State Penguins
1033



13
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
981



14
Montana State Bobcats
880



15
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
723



16
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
684



17
Liberty Flames
651



18
Harvard Crimson
482



19
James Madison Dukes
455



20
Indiana State Sycamores
435



21
Idaho State Bengals
422



22
McNeese State Cowboys
402



23
Bryant Bulldogs
299



24
Montana Grizzlies
282



25
Cal Poly Mustangs
218
















Most Significant Win:





Northern Iowa Panthers











Most Significant Loss:





Richmond Spiders











ORV:




26
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
197



27
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
186



28
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
146



29
William & Mary Tribe
113



30
Southern Illinois Salukis
110



31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
76



32
Sam Houston State Bearkats
27



33
Yale Bulldogs
20



34
Sacred Heart Pioneers
19



35
South Carolina State Bulldogs
10



36
Bucknell Bison
7



37
Samford Bulldogs
2



38T
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1



38T
Missouri State Bears
1

[Twentysix]

The horror... the horror. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

[Bison56]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

Maybe they will wait until NDSU is #1 again to let you know.

And I am not one of the 26.

[kalm]

NAU should be in the 15-16 range

[JMUNJ08]

Can't believe some people think Montana deserves a ranking....

1: New Hampshire Wildcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Chattanooga Mocs
9: Fordham Rams
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Liberty Flames
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Bryant Bulldogs
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Cal Poly Mustangs
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

[JMUNJ08]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

They better do it or I want their voting privledges yanked! ;)

Glad I got to follow through with my UNH #1 vote this week

[knucklehead]

1:*New Hampshire Wildcats
2:*North Dakota State Bison
3:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4:*Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
5:*Eastern Washington Eagles
6:*Villanova Wildcats
7:*Illinois State Redbirds
8:*Fordham Rams
9:*Chattanooga Mocs
10:*Montana State Bobcats
11:*Youngstown State Penguins
12:*Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13:*Northern Iowa Panthers
14:*Richmond Spiders
15:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16:*Indiana State Sycamores
17:*Liberty Flames
18:*Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19:*Harvard Crimson
20:*James Madison Dukes
21:*Bryant Bulldogs
22:*Idaho State Bengals
23:*Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24:*Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25:*Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

[kalm]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

I'm one.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm one.

Me too. I reset my whole poll this week.

[dewey]

Here is my top 25.

1: New Hampshire Wildcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Fordham Rams
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Idaho State Bengals
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Liberty Flames
23: Cal Poly Mustangs
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

Dewey

[FargoBison]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

My top 5
1. NDSU
2. UNH
3. JSU
4. EWU
5. CCU

[Bisonator]

Congrats to UNH. They deserved #1 votes this week.xthumbsupx

[WileECoyote06]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

I voted for NDSU.

[Bisonator]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

Way to stand behind your vote the last few weeks. xrolleyesx

[Fear the Bird]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

I am one of the 26

- - - Updated - - -

Delaware received a #25 vote? Talk about having your voting privelages yanked...

[Bison56]

Way to stand behind your vote the last few weeks. xrolleyesx
I like how he calls people out as he hid.

[WileECoyote06]

BTW, the anti-MEAC bias is really frustrating. BCU has an FBS win on their resume. Every FCS team with six or more wins and an FBS win is ranked except Yale. It's inconsistent.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?

[FargoBison]

BTW, the anti-MEAC bias is really frustrating. BCU has an FBS win on their resume. Every FCS team with six or more wins and an FBS win is ranked except Yale. It's inconsistent.

I have Bethune ranked, they should be in the 20-25 range.

[Bisonator]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?
That's if it's the only #1 vote. You clearly don't know how this works.

So what was your reasoning for UNH #1 the last few weeks?

[FargoBison]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?

Didn't know Delaware, EWU and NCCU posters have suddenly become NDSU homers...

[rokamortis]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?

I think it applies to single votes for your own team. If they get others, especially from fans of other schools, they keep them.

[dewey]

I have Bethune ranked, they should be in the 20-25 range.

I put them in the 20-25 range as well. The lack of any schedule strength keeps them down in my mind.

Dewey

[Pard4Life]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

I voted NDSU #1. Just couldn't do it. The gap is just too big between NDSU and the other teams. But that's why we have playoffs.

I also can't see how SFA is not in the polls, while McNeese is still hanging on... is McNeese getting credit for their Nebraska game?

[clenz]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?You must not understand how it works.

A person had to declare their home team before the season.

That persons vote would be thrown out if they are the only person to have their team #1 to avoid a potential homer vote. It has nothing to do with conference affiliation.

I could, and did, vote NDSU #1 this week. My vote is, in no way, considered a homer vote.

If I voted UNI #1 this week it would have been as no one else had UNI #1

[MDUNHfan]

This is not good! As much as I want UNH to be ranked #1, I wanted that ranking to come after the championship game when NDSU lost their first game. As far as I'm concerned (I don't vote in the poll.) NDSU is still #1 - this is a league loss and par for the course. "Good" league teams can and do beat "better" league teams every week. The question is how will NDSU respond to this loss? I'll say that NDSU isn't #1 when they lose to an OOC opponent or they lose again before the playoffs start..

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I think it applies to single votes for your own team. If they get others, especially from fans of other schools, they keep them.

Fair enough. So had UNH fans decided to put UNH No. 1 it would have counted. Understood.

[clenz]

Didn't know Delaware, EWU and NCCU posters have suddenly become NDSU homers...
Or UNI...

I've been accused of being a Montana and NDSU fan in the last 7 days.

What the hell...I need to more clearly state my UNI fandom I guess.

[Pard4Life]

ps Lehigh is still ranked too high.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?

How can you be a poll voter this f'n long and not know the rules? Stop trying to start **** over the #1 votes. You didn't stand behind it when you had the chance to make a case. Learn the homer rule before you start slinging **** LFN cuz I ain't in the mood today for any BS.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

You must not understand how it works.

A person had to declare their home team before the season.

That persons vote would be thrown out if they are the only person to have their team #1 to avoid a potential homer vote. It has nothing to do with conference affiliation.

I could, and did, vote NDSU #1 this week. My vote is, in no way, considered a homer vote.

If I voted UNI #1 this week it would have been as no one else had UNI #1

Gotcha.

[clenz]

Gotcha.
Also, as ursus said quit being a douche about it

[Lehigh Football Nation]

How can you be a poll voter this f'n long and not know the rules? Stop trying to start **** over the #1 votes. You didn't stand behind it when you had the chance to make a case. Learn the homer rule before you start slinging **** LFN cuz I ain't in the mood today for any BS.

I haven't exactly had to worry about it because Lehigh hasn't ever been No. 1. In any event now I understand.

[dewey]

I think the hammer comes down on Missouri State this weekend.

Dewey

[Gil Dobie]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

Had UNH #1, NDSU #5

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Personally, I don't see the case for keeping NDSU at No. 1 since they lost. But I did have them at No. 3 behind UNH and Coastal.

I find it strange that a team with an actual loss to a FCS school gets a No. 1 vote ahead of two obviously good teams that are undefeated against the FCS.

This wasn't a field-goal-as-time-expires thing, either, this was a double-digit loss.

[clenz]

Personally, I don't see the case for keeping NDSU at No. 1 since they lost. But I did have them at No. 3 behind UNH and Coastal.

I find it strange that a team with an actual loss to a FCS school gets a No. 1 vote ahead of two obviously good teams that are undefeated against the FCS.
What was your excuse when NDSU didn't have a loss in over 2 years?

[dewey]

Or UNI...

I've been accused of being a Montana and NDSU fan in the last 7 days.

What the hell...I need to more clearly state my UNI fandom I guess.

Don't forget your time as a Miisissippi Valley State Delta Devils fan, LOL!

Dewey

[clenz]

PS....The UNI team that played NDSU saturday would have done the same damn thing to UNH, CCU, Jacksonville State and right on down the line.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?


I'll stand up!

I voted NDSU #1 because I believe they are still the best team in the FCS.

[clenz]

Don't forget your time as a Miisissippi Valley State Delta Devils fan, LOL!

Dewey
Still have a soft spot for that team.

[rokamortis]

PS....The UNI team that played NDSU saturday would have done the same damn thing to UNH, CCU, Jacksonville State and right on down the line.
Man, that UNI team should show up to all the games xrotatehx

[FargoBison]

What was your excuse when NDSU didn't have a loss in over 2 years?

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~cas7/gifs/boom.gif

[JMUNJ08]

What was your excuse when NDSU didn't have a loss in over 2 years?

Not that I'm an LFN fan, but why do the last two years matter? That's like saying Montana should still be top 10 due to their 20 year run that only really ended a few years back....

[IBleedYellow]

How fitting...I lose my poll perfection the same week NDSU lost the streak.

Whoops. :S

[FargoBison]

Personally, I don't see the case for keeping NDSU at No. 1 since they lost. But I did have them at No. 3 behind UNH and Coastal.

I find it strange that a team with an actual loss to a FCS school gets a No. 1 vote ahead of two obviously good teams that are undefeated against the FCS.

This wasn't a field-goal-as-time-expires thing, either, this was a double-digit loss.

Well I find it strange that people would vote a team that hasn't played a top 25 team yet so highly in their poll. But I base my rankings on quality wins, not pretty looking records.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

How fitting...I lose my poll perfection the same week NDSU lost the streak.

Whoops. :S

If you had a pre season vote in then you have one mulligan with that. I'll go check.

[tomq04]

I voted NDSU #1

[Lehigh Football Nation]

What was your excuse when NDSU didn't have a loss in over 2 years?

I saw UNH. They are clearly one of the best teams in the nation right now. I thought they were at least equal to NDSU as a team, and I thought, shouldn't they be considered as one of candidates for the top team in FCS? I thought it weird that Villanova was getting 1st place votes when UNH was getting overlooked, IMO. So I put them at No. 1. NDSU, Villanova, UNH, little separate them.

When Nova lost, UNH became unquestionably the top of the CAA. Again, little separated the two. So why not put UNH first? Again, I've seen them multiple times this season.

Now this week rolls around, and UNH is No. 1.

Had I said this two weeks ago, would I have been shouted down? Absolutely. Will I be shouted down for this reasoning now? Probably. But there it is.

[chattownmocs]

I can see why people would still rank NDSU 1. Honestly though, in the world of college football, you don't get to be ranked number one the week after you get dominated.

[UNH Fanboi]

Personally, I don't see the case for keeping NDSU at No. 1 since they lost. But I did have them at No. 3 behind UNH and Coastal.

I find it strange that a team with an actual loss to a FCS school gets a No. 1 vote ahead of two obviously good teams that are undefeated against the FCS.

Dominating FBS win, tougher schedule, very high computer rankings, etc. It's not crazy at all.

Two loss teams are frequently ranked over one-loss teams without any controversy. But it seems that people get irrational late in the season when there are only a few undefeated teams and start making arguments that an undefeated record automatically trumps everything else.

[chattownmocs]

PS....The UNI team that played NDSU saturday would have done the same damn thing to UNH, CCU, Jacksonville State and right on down the line.

Yes because UNI is just 20 points better than everyone.

[Fear the Bird]

The reality of the situation is Iowa St, Montana, Southern Illinois, Indiana St, South Dakota St are all better wins than New Hampshire can lay claim to (okay so I'd slot Richmond somewhere in that list of names and before they ***** the bed this week might have called it the best win of the group). So if you want to compare just records which is the only case I have seen so far, please let me know why the timing of the loss matters? We aren't (well most of you are but shouldn't be) slot voters. NDSU has had one hell of a run and showed up flat at an incredibly difficult place to play against a team that may just finally be coming into its own.

Coastal Carolina's best win is NC A&T? SC State? 2 teams who people on this board can't even find room in their top for those teams.

To me it isn't about HAVING to drop NDSU - it's about somebody putting a better resume down on paper and these resumes are not even close

[Sader87]

This is why we have playoffs.....the biggest fight left imo is who gets the last few seeds and the last couple of at-large bids.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Dominating FBS win, tougher schedule, very high computer rankings, etc. It's not crazy at all.

Two loss teams are frequently ranked over one-loss teams without any. But it seems that people get irrational late in the season when there are only a few undefeated teams and start making arguments that an undefeated record automatically trumps everything else.

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.

[clenz]

Yes because UNI is just 20 points better than everyone.
The team that played Saturday was....

Without question.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Big shakeups this week:

1: New Hampshire Wildcats
2: Illinois State Redbirds
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Fordham Rams
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Bryant Bulldogs
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Bucknell Bison
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Idaho State Bengals
23: Cal Poly Mustangs
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[Gil Dobie]

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.

Well Iowa St beat Toledo who beat UNH 54-20.

[Fear the Bird]

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.


Let's play point-counterpoint. You dont' think highly of the win over Iowa State but you think highly of what William & Mary?

- - - Updated - - -


Well Iowa St beat Toledo who beat UNH 54-20.

OWNED

[chattownmocs]

The team that played Saturday was....

Without question.

Laughable. Your QB play was dreadful. NDSU is not one of the best offensive teams in the country as good as your D was. That was not some championship caliber football. Smack yourself HARD in the face.

[tribe_pride]

BTW, the anti-MEAC bias is really frustrating. BCU has an FBS win on their resume. Every FCS team with six or more wins and an FBS win is ranked except Yale. It's inconsistent.

Here is the problem. BCU beat FIU which by Sagarin (I know not the best but not horrible) is the 12th worst FBS school and is behind 36 FCS schools so FIU wouldn't even be in the top 25 for FCS.

The next best team on BCU's schedule (aside from UCF who basically all FCS teams would lose to but who blew out BCU) is SC State (who is Sagarin ranked worse than FIU) and BCU lost to them.

The other games that BCU won are against the following (out of 252 D-I ranked teams):

215
217
225
228
239
251
D-II team that is 6-4


Remaining games on the schedule are 226 and 238.

Understand you can't control 8 of those games (though the one tough conference game that was played this year was a loss) but the team scheduled 2 FBS games (1 strong and 1 equivalent to a middle tier FCS team)and a D-II team in there.

[FargoBison]

Well Iowa St beat Toledo who beat UNH 54-20.

LFN has an FBS hating agenda that greatly clouds his view on things.

Iowa State is 2-6 but they have played K-State, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

BTW, the anti-MEAC bias is really frustrating. BCU has an FBS win on their resume. Every FCS team with six or more wins and an FBS win is ranked except Yale. It's inconsistent.

If it makes you feel any better I included two MEAC teams in mine.

[dewey]

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.

So a 34 point loss to a 6-3 MAC team is better than a 20 point win over a Big 12 team?

Plus Iowa State beat Toledo in a head to head matchup. I wonder which one is better.

Dewey

[smilo]

1
North Dakota St - its not even close that close for me.


2
New Hampshire


3
Coastal Carolina


4
Villanova


5
Illinois State


6
Jacksonville St


7
Eastern Washington


8
Northern Iowa


9
South Dakota St


10
Indiana State


11
Richmond


12
Youngstown State


13
Liberty


14
Southern Illinois


15
Fordham - they should move up 1 next week and then a couple by beating Army but c'mon, it's the PL


16
William & Mary - Still too high? They are a scary team, but a loss to Richmond would finish tem. Counting on a win there.


17
Montana St - regretting not putting them higher but the loss to CP isn't great and weak vs. PSU. Winning their last two games should give them a bump.


18
Chattanooga - its the SoCon. WCU win was overstated


19
James Madison - edge of the playoffs!


20
Southeastern Louisiana - Just beat McNeese so the SLC can have a ranked team.


21
Eastern Kentucky - They'll make the playoffs with a win this week, but not high on them


22
Cal Poly - Do they deserve to make the playoffs for beating the Montanas at home? San Diego better pull a Yale-like upset.


23
Harvard - 8-0 is gonna get you noticed


24
Idaho State - What a joke schedule - CP win has them ranked ... until next week.


25
Montana - I had them ~18 when everyone had them top 5/10, and I still have them ranked. They've done as I had expected. Losing to SUU will certainly finish them though and MSU may drop them out too if the teams behind them look good.




Next 20: McNeese, SHSU, SFA, Bryant, Missouri State, UCA, NWST, Bucknell, WIU, NAU, SC St, Yale, Bethune-Cookman, EIU, Chuck South, Samford, Sacred Heart, NC A&T, Stony Brook, Albany

[UNH Fanboi]

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.

That's fine, and putting UNH over NDSU is reasonable at this point. So is the reverse.

BTW, I and several other people came to the defense of your anonymity last week. It's a little tacky to lower yourself to that level and demand that the NDSU voters identify themselves.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

To recap, to some a loss in August means more than a conference loss in November.

[dewey]

That's fine, and putting UNH over NDSU is reasonable at this point. So is the reverse.

BTW, I and several other people came to the defense of your anonymity last week. It's a little tacky to lower yourself to that level and demand that the NDSU voters identify themselves.

I voted UNH #1 but I can also understand the reasoning behind votes for NDSU being #1. I thought it was crappy to call out anyone's vote.

Dewey

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I voted UNH #1 but I can also understand the reasoning behind votes for NDSU being #1. I thought it was crappy to call out anyone's vote.

Dewey

Of course, that didn't happen to me repeatedly the past few weeks or anything like that.

[FargoBison]

To recap, to some a loss in August means more than a conference loss in November.

Body of work>>>>>>>>>>>>>>timing of losses.

[UNH Fanboi]

Of course, that didn't happen to me repeatedly the past few weeks or anything like that.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[clenz]

Laughable. Your QB play was dreadful. NDSU is not one of the best offensive teams in the country as good as your D was. That was not some championship caliber football. Smack yourself HARD in the face.
NDSU had 176 yards of offense and 3 points Saturday...

Coming into the game they were averaging 35 points and 447 yards of total offense.


The UNI team that took that field Saturday would have crush any FCS team they played.

[FargoBison]

I voted UNH #1 but I can also understand the reasoning behind votes for NDSU being #1. I thought it was crappy to call out anyone's vote.

Dewey

I asked for one reason, I wanted to know the logic behind it.

Some people did call him out, others though just wanted an explanation. This is a place to discuss the poll is it not?

[clenz]

Of course, that didn't happen to me repeatedly the past few weeks or anything like that.
You were a complete bitch about it too...

Just like you're being now

[dewey]

Of course, that didn't happen to me repeatedly the past few weeks or anything like that.

Let me clarify. I didn't agree with others that called you out a few weeks ago (go and look through last weeks poll if you don't believe me) just like I don't agree with you calling them out now. There is something to be sad about taking the high road.

Dewey

[Bison56]

Of course, that didn't happen to me repeatedly the past few weeks or anything like that.

But yet you stayed hidden until this week. I bet if UNH wasn't #1 you still would be hiding. Yet you want others to stand up and be accountable? I personally could care less who votes for who and if someone doesn't want to share it that's fine, but what you are doing that is chicken s*** imo.

[Bison56]

NDSU had 176 yards of offense and 3 points Saturday...

Coming into the game they were averaging 35 points and 447 yards of total offense.


The UNI team that took that field Saturday would have crush any FCS team they played.
Why waste knowledge on a idiot that wouldn't understand it if you drew him a picture?

[dewey]

I asked for one reason, I wanted to know the logic behind it.

Some people did call him out, others though just wanted an explanation. This is a place to discuss the poll is it not?

I completely understand the calls for an explanation as maybe they saw something the rest of did not but to say that someone should lose their voting priviledges was over the top for me.

Dewey

[FargoBison]

I completely understand the calls for an explanation as maybe they saw something the rest of did not but to say that someone should lose their voting priviledges was over the top for me.

Dewey

I agree with that, anyone eligible should vote. It makes the poll better to have a variety of views.

[clenz]

Why waste knowledge on a idiot that wouldn't understand it if you drew him a picture?
Honestly, that exact though crossed my mind before replying.


That is the way the UNI defense has played all season long. The only difference between the last 3 weeks and the weeks prior is the OC finally given DJ the ball and it's making a HUGE difference.

[Gil Dobie]

The difference between the last 3 weeks and the weeks prior is the OC finally given DJ the ball and it's making a HUGE difference.

That's what I was afraid of. Best player I've seen in FCS this year.

[UNH Fanboi]

NDSU had 176 yards of offense and 3 points Saturday...

Coming into the game they were averaging 35 points and 447 yards of total offense.


The UNI team that took that field Saturday would have crush any FCS team they played.

I don't mean to take away from from UNI's win, but let's keep things in perspective. UNI has their share of weaknesses like everyone else. Their offense is very one dimensional. Carnes was 10 for 30 against ISU and 7 for 19 against NDSU. Yes, it was enough to win against two top teams, but other teams will adjust.

[thebootfitter]

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.
You mean the computer rankings that accurately predict the winner in about 80% of FCS match ups? Yeah... we may as well throw them completely out of the conversation, because they obviously have no value. :p

Take them for what they are and don't try to make them out to be something they are not, and computer ratings can actually be quite useful to supplement our understanding of the relative strength of college football teams.

[clenz]

I don't mean to take away from from UNI's win, but let's keep things in perspective. UNI has their share of weaknesses like everyone else. Their offense is very one dimensional. Carnes was 10 for 30 against ISU and 7 for 19 against NDSU.
And UNI won both...with the defense focusing entirely on DJ...

In those games he ran for 267 yards (over 4.5 YPC) and 2 TDs.

The thing is DJ is almost impossible to stop and the defense is going to keep the offense in the game to give DJ a shot to win it.

Now, if DJ goes out we'd be f'ed in the a

[chattownmocs]

NDSU had 176 yards of offense and 3 points Saturday...

Coming into the game they were averaging 35 points and 447 yards of total offense.


The UNI team that took that field Saturday would have crush any FCS team they played.

You won't score 23 points in your next 100 games against a great defense with that type of QB play. It was abberration. You would have lost to multiple teams on saturday.

[FargoBison]

You won't score 23 points in your next 100 games against a great defense with that type of QB play. It was abberration. You would have lost to multiple teams on saturday.

They scored more against Illinois state with similar/worse QB play.

[thebootfitter]

And UNI won both...with the defense focusing entirely on DJ...

In those games he ran for 267 yards (over 4.5 YPC) and 2 TDs.

The thing is DJ is almost impossible to stop and the defense is going to keep the offense in the game to give DJ a shot to win it.

Now, if DJ goes out we'd be f'ed in the a
You've been saying that for awhile, Clenz. And I never commented, because I was afraid you were right and didn't want to reinforce the idea on the off chance that your coaches ever read message boards. Now that they have this figured out, the only thing keeping them from being one of the very top teams in the country, IMHO, is solid quarterback play -- particularly passing. I think had Kollmorgen never been second guessed as a starter, he would be playing very well right now. I don't know all the issues that have occurred, but kind of sad to see the results of whatever happened, regardless.

Had UNI been playing consistently like this all year, I don't think they would have lost any FCS games. I think at this point, they'd be ranked #1. If they can continue to play lights out in the final two games, I might consider them the team to beat in the playoffs. Tough luck that they did have inconsistencies this year and will have to play on the road.

[UNH Fanboi]

The scored more against Illinois state with similar/worse QB play.

For what it's worth, half of their points in that game were off of special teams TDs. That's not gonna happen every week.

[FargoBison]

For what it's worth, half of their points in that game were off of special teams TDs. That's not gonna happen every week.

It won't but I am not sure UNI has had good QB play this year, their QBs just aren't that good.

Johnson though is probably the most talented player in the FCS. They go as he goes.

[whoanellie]

NC A&T needs to be in the top 20

[thebootfitter]

You won't score 23 points in your next 100 games against a great defense with that type of QB play. It was abberration. You would have lost to multiple teams on saturday.
With that kind of defense and special teams play and star running back, they don't need a great QB. Imagine if they DID have a great QB. Yikes.

I think I lean toward agreeing with Clenz on this one. While the Bison could have been a lot sharper on Saturday, they were clearly outplayed. I haven't seen much of UNH or Jax St or Villanova this year, but I find it hard to believe more than a handful FCS teams could have played with UNI on that day.

[chattownmocs]

They scored more against Illinois state with similar/worse QB play.

Illinois state has a great D? Again. I'd be glad for them to continue to go to that well. Your QB going 7-19 for 93 yards and running back running the ball for 4.5 yards a carry is a recipe to be shutout. Not score 20-30 a game consistently.

[clenz]

For what it's worth, half of their points in that game were off of special teams TDs. That's not gonna happen every week.
UNI is averaging about 28-30PPG, using only offensive scores, on the season

[clenz]

Illinois state has a great D? Again. I'd be glad for them to continue to go to that well. Your QB going 7-19 for 93 yards and running back running the ball for 4.5 yards a carry is a recipe to be shutout. Not score 20-30 a game consistently.
Except that is what UNI has done this year...scoring about 30 ppg on offense.

[KPSUL]

You mean the computer rankings that accurately predict the winner in about 80% of FCS match ups? Yeah... we may as well throw them completely out of the conversation, because they obviously have no value.

Actually 80% is really not very impressive, given the large number of clear mismatches scheduled. I think a majority of knowledgeable fans could beat 70%

[dbackjon]

I am one of the 26

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Delaware received a #25 vote? Talk about having your voting privelages yanked...

that and whomever voted for the six-loss Missouri State

[chattownmocs]

Except that is what UNI has done this year...scoring about 30 ppg on offense.

I'd love to hear your qb and rb season statistics.

[Fear the Bird]

NC A&T needs to be in the top 20

Lol

[thebootfitter]

Actually 80% is really not very impressive, given the large number of clear mismatches scheduled. I think a majority of knowledgeable fans could beat 70%
I'm not saying it is very impressive. I'm just saying it is 80%. There is a large standard deviation (roughly 14 points), so there is a lot of room for upsets vs the predicted results. They happen all the time. But if I have a system that has accurately predicted 80% of the past match ups, it might be worth more than nothing for looking at future match ups.

I agree knowledgeable fans could pick well above 50% on average.

[PantherRob82]

NDSU had 176 yards of offense and 3 points Saturday...

Coming into the game they were averaging 35 points and 447 yards of total offense.


The UNI team that took that field Saturday would have crush any FCS team they played.

...if given the proper matchup.

[UNHFootballAlum]

Just curious...when was the last time that a #1 team lost (to whom does not matter) and that team stayed at the #1 position?

[clenz]

Actually 80% is really not very impressive, given the large number of clear mismatches scheduled. I think a majority of knowledgeable fans could beat 70%
This season the average AGS user on my pick em game is only averaging 74% of the top 25 games correctly.

Given the number of blowouts that are a given each each, 74% isn't that impressive.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

People say UNH and Coastal haven't played as tough a schedule as NDSU. I agree with that, but why would you rank NDSU higher than Illinois State and Eastern Washington?

ISUr's only loss is a 14-point loss at UNI, NDSU lost at UNI by 20. I will also take EWU's loss to Washington over NDSU's win over Iowa State and I'll take a 7-point loss at NAU over a 20-point loss to UNI. No disrespect to UNI, I think they're playing like a top 5 lately.

One more comment…I've said this many times before but I think people still let FBS wins (especially those over G5s and bad P5s) carry more weight than they should.

[clenz]

I'd love to hear your qb and rb season statistics.
QB
Brion Carnes
53-121 (43.8%)
603 yards (75.4 ypg)
3 TD
4 INT

RB
David Johnson
196 carries
1055 yard (5.4 YPC)
8 TD

Through week 8 he was only averaging 14 carries per game. The last 3 games is 29. There's a reason UNI is winning and playing like expected preseason

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People say UNH and Coastal haven't played as tough a schedule as NDSU. I agree with that, but why would you rank NDSU higher than Illinois STate and Eastern Washington?

ISUr's only loss is a 14-point loss at UNI, NDSU lost at UNI by 20. I will also take EWU's loss to Washington over NDSU's win over Iowa State and I'll take a 7-point loss at NAU over a 20-point loss to UNI. No disrespect to UNI, I think they're playing like a top 5 lately.

One more comment…I've said this many times before but I think people still let FBS (especially those over G5s and bad P5s) wins carry more weight than they should.
NAU lost to a winless in all other D1 contests South Dakota team...a USD team that is last, or second to last, in every statistical category in the MVFC

[FargoBison]

People say UNH and Coastal haven't played as tough a schedule as NDSU. I agree with that, but why would you rank NDSU higher than Illinois State and Eastern Washington?

ISUr's only loss is a 14-point loss at UNI, NDSU lost at UNI by 20. I will also take EWU's loss to Washington over NDSU's win over Iowa State and I'll take a 7-point loss at NAU over a 20-point loss to UNI. No disrespect to UNI, I think they're playing like a top 5 lately.

One more comment…I've said this many times before but I think people still let FBS wins (especially those over G5s and bad P5s) carry more weight than they should.

Should we discuss ISUR's narrow wins over teams NDSU killed like Indiana State.....Or is the UNI game now the only game that NDSU played that matters.

[PantherRob82]

I don't mean to take away from from UNI's win, but let's keep things in perspective. UNI has their share of weaknesses like everyone else. Their offense is very one dimensional. Carnes was 10 for 30 against ISU and 7 for 19 against NDSU. Yes, it was enough to win against two top teams, but other teams will adjust.

and NDSU didn't adjust? xrolleyesx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

People say UNH and Coastal haven't played as tough a schedule as NDSU. I agree with that, but why would you rank NDSU higher than Illinois State and Eastern Washington?

ISUr's only loss is a 14-point loss at UNI, NDSU lost at UNI by 20. I will also take EWU's loss to Washington over NDSU's win over Iowa State and I'll take a 7-point loss at NAU over a 20-point loss to UNI. No disrespect to UNI, I think they're playing like a top 5 lately.

One more comment…I've said this many times before but I think people still let FBS wins (especially those over G5s and bad P5s) carry more weight than they should.

A significantly less arduous OOC schedule is a good way to do separate them.

Say what you want about Iowa State, they are better than Miss Valley and Austin Peay.

[KPSUL]

With that kind of defense and special teams play and star running back, they don't need a great QB. Imagine if they DID have a great QB. Yikes.

I think I lean toward agreeing with Clenz on this one. While the Bison could have been a lot sharper on Saturday, they were clearly outplayed. I haven't seen much of UNH or Jax St or Villanova this year, but I find it hard to believe more than a handful FCS teams could have played with UNI on that day.
You're actually not agreeing with him by saying that very few FCS teams could have played with UNI that day. That is an undeniable fact. But he is saying that they would have crushed every team by at least 20 points which sounds like a prideful boast to most of us.

[PantherRob82]

NC A&T needs to be in the top 20

No thanks. :)

[thebootfitter]

You're actually not agreeing with him by saying that very few FCS teams could have played with UNI that day. That is an undeniable fact. But he is saying that they would have crushed every team by at least 20 points which sounds like a prideful boast to most of us.
Fair enough. I admit that his original comment was probably over the top.

[chattownmocs]

4.5 ypc is fine as long as it doesn't include muktiple big runs. I would love to see uni in the playoffs. That type of 1 dimensional offense won't work every time you see a great D, even if it did once or twice against a great D. It sounds more like NDSU is just a taylormade matchup for yall than anything else.

[UNIFanSince1983]

To recap, to some a loss in August means more than a conference loss in November.

At the time you started voting UNH #1 NDSU hadn't had a loss AND had dominated the FBS team they played so what is your explaination there? Sure this week voting UNH #1 is understandable after NDSU lost. Prior to this they had dominated a better schedule than anyone had AND didn't have any losses compared to UNH who had 1.

So to get this straight a loss to an FBS doesn't mean anything, but neither does a win against an FBS team...

[WileECoyote06]

Here is the problem. BCU beat FIU which by Sagarin (I know not the best but not horrible) is the 12th worst FBS school and is behind 36 FCS schools so FIU wouldn't even be in the top 25 for FCS.

The next best team on BCU's schedule (aside from UCF who basically all FCS teams would lose to but who blew out BCU) is SC State (who is Sagarin ranked worse than FIU) and BCU lost to them.

The other games that BCU won are against the following (out of 252 D-I ranked teams):

215
217
225
228
239
251
D-II team that is 6-4


Remaining games on the schedule are 226 and 238.

Understand you can't control 8 of those games (though the one tough conference game that was played this year was a loss) but the team scheduled 2 FBS games (1 strong and 1 equivalent to a middle tier FCS team)and a D-II team in there.

So um. . . what is the excuse for the highly regarded Liberty win over App. State? Eastern Kentucky's win over Miami (OH)? Both are rated lower in Massey than FIU (137 vs 157 & 141 respectively). Bethune-Cookman lost a close conference game on the road. . not unusual The final score came due to SCSU scoring on a 49 yard bomb with 30 seconds on the clock . And although Grambling was thought of as a bad win at the time, they currently lead the SWAC west.

Now I'm not advocating for Bethune to be in the Top-15 but they've got a resume that should get them in the 20-25 range. If it's truly about who you've beaten then explain Bryant? They sit in the Top-20 but have only beaten ORV Bucknell. They have one FCS loss just like BCU.

[thebootfitter]

4.5 ypc is fine as long as it doesn't include muktiple big runs. I would love to see uni in the playoffs. That type of 1 dimensional offense won't work every time you see a great D, even if it did once or twice against a great D. It sounds more like NDSU is just a taylormade matchup for yall than anything else.
I don't think you would like to see them playing against the Mocs in the playoffs. Jus' sayin'.

[NDSUtk]

It sounds more like NDSU is just a taylormade matchup for yall than anything else.

Are you implying NDSU can't stop a running team?

We have held plenty of other backs to well below average. Granted we may not be as stout as years past, but we still rank 15th against the run.

I will say UNI benefits by seeing us each year. And they played well...damn well.

[chattownmocs]

I don't think you would like to see them playing against the Mocs in the playoffs. Jus' sayin'.

I wouldn't wanna see them in the first round. There are worse matchups for us by far that we would see going forward. Our offense isn't very good against great Ds. Our defense can give up a big play. But if you are one dimensional, and just turn around and hand the ball off. You ain't getting 4 yards 4 yards 4 yards 5 yards. You will be behind the chains all night.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Dear Big Guy Up Above, please set up that Chatty/NDSU first or second round game. Your pal, LFN

[paward]

Apples, oranges NH or NDSU. I went with NH but NDSU still has reason to be number one. Where you are today is not as important as where you are in three weeks. This was a very hard week placing teams. I would like to see an easier trend next week.

[dudeitsaid]

Just curious...when was the last time that a #1 team lost (to whom does not matter) and that team stayed at the #1 position?

EWU did in 2011 after losing to FBS UW on a last minute INT.

I thought NDSU did a couple of years ago when they lost in the regular season to Indiana State in 2012. Anyone have access to some of those historic polls to double check?

[chattownmocs]

Are you implying NDSU can't stop a running team?

We have held plenty of other backs to well below average. Granted we may not be as stout as years past, but we still rank 15th against the run.

I will say UNI benefits by seeing us each year. And they played well...damn well.

If you give up 23 points on less than 5 yards per pass and run, you didn't stop much. Seems like you were giving up 4 yards every play.

[UNIFanSince1983]

You've been saying that for awhile, Clenz. And I never commented, because I was afraid you were right and didn't want to reinforce the idea on the off chance that your coaches ever read message boards. Now that they have this figured out, the only thing keeping them from being one of the very top teams in the country, IMHO, is solid quarterback play -- particularly passing. I think had Kollmorgen never been second guessed as a starter, he would be playing very well right now. I don't know all the issues that have occurred, but kind of sad to see the results of whatever happened, regardless.

Had UNI been playing consistently like this all year, I don't think they would have lost any FCS games. I think at this point, they'd be ranked #1. If they can continue to play lights out in the final two games, I might consider them the team to beat in the playoffs. Tough luck that they did have inconsistencies this year and will have to play on the road.

Things that rarely get brought up in this Kollmorgen vs Carnes debate is the Indiana State game. Kollmorgen was locked in solidly as the starter at this point. DJ touched the ball 27 times had well over 100 yards rushing. Kollmorgen completed 45.7% of his passes that day. Was that because we didn't give DJ the ball enough? Was he looking over his shoulder at Carnes who didn't even get to play that day and had only played mopup in the games previous?

47% of his passes were complete against Hawaii.
46% of his passes were complete against Iowa.

Looked good against horrendous TTU and UNC.

2012 Sawyer is runner up for Jerry Rice award has great season stats. Team finishes 5-6.

We don't have a great QB on our roster right now. There is one thing I do know and that is for some reason when Carnes plays we win. There is absolutely no reason to have Kollmorgen play again this season. Hopefully they are developing someone or have their eye on someone they are recruiting because we need it!

[Mattymc727]

Boy this thread has derailed. Imagine if AGS was the committee? We would be stuck in conclave longer than the Papal election of 1268-1271...

[UNIFanSince1983]

If you give up 23 points on less than 5 yards per pass and run, you didn't stop much. Seems like you were giving up 4 yards every play.

Can I ask who you think has a better defense than NDSU?

[WrenFGun]

First of all, NDSU is the clear #1 for me. They'd need to lose again not to be #1 to me. They have a tremendous resume, a tremendous quality of wins and absolutely SPANKED UNH last season. I know it's last season, but those teams weren't close.

Secondarily, I think UNI is a damn good team. Does anyone think UNH would be favored if they played at UNI this season? I don't.

Thirdly, just compare resumes. Both teams have one loss. One team has an FBS win. Both teams play in good conferences. Hell, would Toledo vs. UNI RIGHT NOW really look that differently? UNI could easily be a better loss, IMO.

Do I think UNH has the clear SECOND best resume? Yes. But I don't see any rationale for them to be #1 right now except that NDSU lost more recently than they did, which isn't a great reason.

[chattownmocs]

Can I ask who you think has a better defense than NDSU?

I'm saying it won't happen against NDSU or anyone. The thing is, you didn't put up good numbers offensively. But just because NDSU couldn't get many negative plays against uni doesn't mean no one. Its just stupid to think you are gonna get terrible qb play. But line up and get 4 yards every single carry against every defense in the country and win by 20 just because you did against ndsu.

[Sycamore62]

Things that rarely get brought up in this Kollmorgen vs Carnes debate is the Indiana State game. Kollmorgen was locked in solidly as the starter at this point. DJ touched the ball 27 times had well over 100 yards rushing. Kollmorgen completed 45.7% of his passes that day. Was that because we didn't give DJ the ball enough? Was he looking over his shoulder at Carnes who didn't even get to play that day and had only played mopup in the games previous?

47% of his passes were complete against Hawaii.
46% of his passes were complete against Iowa.

Looked good against horrendous TTU and UNC.

2012 Sawyer is runner up for Jerry Rice award has great season stats. Team finishes 5-6.

We don't have a great QB on our roster right now. There is one thing I do know and that is for some reason when Carnes plays we win. There is absolutely no reason to have Kollmorgen play again this season. Hopefully they are developing someone or have their eye on someone they are recruiting because we need it!

I think vs ISUb they were asking him to do things against the wind that were just not going to happen. If you watched the first 2 series, you could see that going against the wind for both teams was going to be run and throw passes straight into it. the football looked like a kite. I never saw K play again after that so I dont know what he looked like in better conditions

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

I don't think all that highly of that FBS win over 2-6 Iowa State. And don't get me started on computer rankings.


Well Iowa St beat Toledo who beat UNH 54-20.

Maybe when Lehigh starts playing FBS teams you'll have greater appreciation for them! Iowa State plays in the Big 12 for gawds sake, even a "bad" team in that league has more talent/size/speed than the vast majority of FCS teams. I was at the UNH game vs Toledo. Not one FCS team I've seen in person this year could match Toledo's size, speed and depth. All FBS teams have a three deep compared to a two deep, they usually have recruited punters and kickers, they're playing at home and the game has refs from their league. Unless you're playing teams at the bottom tier (Army, UConn, Eastern Michigan, etc.), the FCS teams probably has to play a near perfect game. UNH was playing Toledo even for most of the first half, but made a couple of mistakes (and didn't make a couple of plays -- just as important because it kills drives!) and Toledo made us pay for it big time. Many times in FCS games you get an opportunity to overcome mistakes, but not in most FBS games. You let a game get away from you and you get Toledo 54 UNH 20.

I'm not good at judging teams watching on TV so I'm not going to say they're better than all FCS teams. Especially when I know that NDSU beat Iowa State who beat Toledo who beat UNH. Yeah transitive results can't always predict results but they do often show relative strengths of teams. Yeah an FCS team could beat Toledo, but in a series of games (best of three, best of five, etc.), I'd take Toledo over any FCS team not named NDSU.

For the record, I still would have voted NDSU #1 because I agree with the other poster about losing a road league game. It happens all the time because league games are usually more competitive than relative strengths of teams suggest because of the familiarity and ability for a team to get up for an opponent. And in this case UNI is a very talented team on a mission to win out and make the playoffs. I don't like to agree with Clenz (;) :p), but I doubt any FCS team could have gone into Cedar Falls last Saturday and won.

I don't believe in voting teams #1 and #2 just because they're undefeated in FCS. That dominant win over Iowa State still speaks volumes to me!

[dudeitsaid]

EWU did in 2011 after losing to FBS UW on a last minute INT.

I thought NDSU did a couple of years ago when they lost in the regular season to Indiana State in 2012. Anyone have access to some of those historic polls to double check?

I was wrong about NDSU in 2012. They dropped to fourth in both the AGS and Coaches poll in week 7 after losing to Indiana St.

So, it probably doesn't happen often, and didn't happen this time. But I would still vote NDSU #1 personally. That was the last time NDSU lost until now. Wow! Wouldn't surprise me now to see them rattle off another great run of wins...till they meet EWU in Frisco (hopefully)!

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?120170-AGS-Poll-Results-Week-7&highlight=poll+week

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?120175-Week-7-Coaches-Poll&highlight=poll+week

[clenz]

I think vs ISUb they were asking him to do things against the wind that were just not going to happen. If you watched the first 2 series, you could see that going against the wind for both teams was going to be run and throw passes straight into it. the football looked like a kite. I never saw K play again after that so I dont know what he looked like in better conditions
That's something that people also leave out with the Sawywer/Carnes issue.

Sawyer was asked to try to the throw the ball 20=30 yards down field.

Look where Carnes is being asked to throw right now. Our OC finally remembered DJ can catch out of the back field and that guys like Owens and Vereen are taylormade for slants/drags/ins/outs

[WileECoyote06]

Well Iowa St beat Toledo who beat UNH 54-20.
And thus why I felt there was no reason to drop NDSU. Oh and those consecutive playoff blowouts over CCU and UNH last year influenced my vote as well.

[clenz]

I don't like to agree with Clenz (;) :p)
No one does, but at the end of the day you'd be shocked how many people flip their opinion...

[Bisonator]

LFN, I called you out the last few weeks because you didn't have the guts to come on here and offer your reasoning. That's really all any of us were looking for since you were the only vote. I was wrong about kicking you out of the polling........now I'm not so sure. You seem to have a beef that's irrational or you just like to screw with things to see what happens.

[Kemo]

My Top 25:

1: North Dakota State Bison

In a blind taste test of resumes, NDSU still is Coke, New Hampshire is Pepsi, and Coastal Carolina is RC Cola.

2: New Hampshire Wildcats

Close to being #1, but a victory over Rhode Island does nothing to help them capitalize on the Bison loss.

3: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers

I'm still skeptical on the Chaos Chickens' overall place amongst the best in the FCS, but they haven't proven any of these suspicions correct to date. Really looking forward to their game against Liberty.

4: Illinois State Redbirds

Nice bounce back win over the Flightless Birds, and the road loss to the Purple Kitties doesn't seem bad at all now.

5: Villanova Wildcats

Crushing Towson just isn't what it used to be. Still a strong record versus a strong schedule.

6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Good win over a solid EKU team. They could make a case to be slightly higher, but the OVC isn't exactly a gauntlet.

7: Eastern Washington Eagles

Vernon Adams coming back and performing well is a great omen for the Nonspecific Eagles. They seem to be allowing less points to their opponents than earlier in the season, so that too could bode well for them come playoff time.

8: Northern Iowa Panthers

I can't say I was overly surprised with their win over the Bison, because anyone who's seen them play knows their front 7 had the ability to stymy NDSU's running game and force Wentz to beat them with his arm. The only real question was whether the offense could do enough to win the game (I'm going to say Clenz's ringing endorsment of Carnes is what put them over the top xthumbsupx). That being said, I fully expect the Curse of the Egyptian Dogs to rear its ugly head in Carbondale this Saturday.

9: Chattanooga Mocs

The year Chattown stays silent the Mocs make some noise? Who would have thunk it? I say get the duct tape out come playoff time.

10: Richmond Spiders

Should have drank some Gatorade to prevent that Villanova hangover.

11: Youngstown State Penguins

Performed well on the road but couldn't quite pull a victory out over the Crimson Canaries.

12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

Went all "Paul Bunyan" on some Trees after putting the axe through their own foot in the first half.

13: Indiana State Sycamores

Had a rough Saturday, but still a team with the word "quality" in front of many of their wins and all of their losses.

14: Liberty Flames

Just play Coastal Carolina already! Seriously though, I like how Liberty has competed so far this year.

15: Idaho State Bengals

Took the cracker away from Poly in a close victory over a team that was rolling.

16: Montana State Bobcats

Really shouldn't be having close calls against the West Coast Norseman this late in the season.

17: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

Even after being demoted to Captain against Jacksonville State, they should still be a playoff team if they win out.

18: James Madison Dukes

A 5 game winning streak in the CAA has the Bulldogs-With-Too-Much-Bling lying on the porch of the top 20.

19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Their performance against the Cal Davis reaffirms my thinking that NAU just might be the best-worst team in FCS football.

20: Southern Illinois Salukis

Really needed the win in Springfield to keep their playoff hopes alive. Excited to see if they hump UNI's leg this week.

21: Southeastern Louisiana Lions

Because someone in the Southland has to be here. Almost feel bad with how down I am on the conference, but it's just not good at the moment.

22: Bryant Bulldogs

Bryant has quitely been one of the better teams in FCS football.

23: Fordham Rams

Bah-Ram-U moves back into my top 25 with their best win of the season, especially considering it was done without Michael Nebrich

24: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

I think it's safe to say that McNeese was overrated for most of the season, but still have to give Mr. Austin credit for their rebound in the win column.

25: Cal Poly Mustangs

Their loss to the Bungals has put them squarly on the playoff bubble in my mind even if they win out (and they should). While the Montana school wins are decent, they might not be as good as they originally appeared.

[clenz]

I can honestly say I though I had UNI way too high and it's right where everyone else did. I must say, I'm quite shocked.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

You seem to have a beef that's irrational

xlolx

C'mon. If I had a beef would I have NDSU at No. 3 this week?

Also, FWIW, I had to alter my poll before the cutoff b/c I was adding an extra MVFC team into my Top 25 that I forgot, so that's not it either.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Lol

I have them in mine (well, just outside of the top 20). They have more of a claim to a ranking than Liberty, McNeese, or Montana right now.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I'm surprised NDSU passed UNH. I felt the Bison built up enough equity to deserve the benefit of the doubt.....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: New Hampshire Wildcats
3: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Fordham Rams
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins - hanging on be a thread #1
13: Richmond Spiders - hanging on by a thread #2
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Eastern Kentucky Colonels - 9-3 and they deserve a shot, a little better than some think, not top shelf, but still good.....
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits - I've had no idea how to rank you. Now I'm convinced you make the playoffs....
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions - an enigma wrapped in a riddle...
18: Bryant Bulldogs
19: Liberty Flames
20: James Madison Dukes
21: Idaho State Bengals
22: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
23: Yale Bulldogs
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

[tribe_pride]

So um. . . what is the excuse for the highly regarded Liberty win over App. State? Eastern Kentucky's win over Miami (OH)? Both are rated lower in Massey than FIU (137 vs 157 & 141 respectively). Bethune-Cookman lost a close conference game on the road. . not unusual The final score came due to SCSU scoring on a 49 yard bomb with 30 seconds on the clock . And although Grambling was thought of as a bad win at the time, they currently lead the SWAC west.

Now I'm not advocating for Bethune to be in the Top-15 but they've got a resume that should get them in the 20-25 range. If it's truly about who you've beaten then explain Bryant? They sit in the Top-20 but have only beaten ORV Bucknell. They have one FCS loss just like BCU.

You have to look at the body of work. Grambling may be leading the SWAC West but that is equivalent to saying that an NFL team beat the top Arena league team. It's still not that impressive.

Liberty

They lost but were beating UNC until 6:00 left in the 3rd
They lost to an FCS top 10 Richmond team in 2 OT
Their final loss was to another top 20 squad at Indiana State
Their wins

D-II
Norfolk State (by easier than BCU did)
Bryant by 17 - Better rated than anyone that BCU has beaten
Appalachian State - as good a win as FIU (better in Sagarin)
3 conference games 189, 192, 218


They have played more better teams and their losses don't seem to be as bad losses


Eastern Kentucky

Loss to FCS #4 Jax State
Bad loss by 8 to 204 Tennesee Tech
Wins:

Weak FBS win against Miami-Ohio
# 171
# 184
# 196
# 234
# 240
# 248
Best win of the group over #124 Eastern Illinois


While they have the worst loss of the group, they also have the best win of that group.


Bryant

Lone loss to Liberty
Wins

D-II
#162
#167
#180
#182
#193
#227
#240


While no classically big win, they consistently beat teams that are better than BCU played and only lost once.


If BCU hadn't lost the SC. State game, they are ranked. If 9 of your games are against teams ranked worse than 200 or are D-II, you need to win your other games (as long as not a tough FBS team). Even Massey has them ranked in the mid-30s.

[Panther-State]

I'm saying it won't happen against NDSU or anyone. The thing is, you didn't put up good numbers offensively. But just because NDSU couldn't get many negative plays against uni doesn't mean no one. Its just stupid to think you are gonna get terrible qb play. But line up and get 4 yards every single carry against every defense in the country and win by 20 just because you did against ndsu.

I think I know what you're trying to say, although honestly, that's a really difficult post to follow. Yes, we don't have a strong QB. The mechanics aren't great and the decision making can be suspect. But the most encouraging sign on Saturday were the changes made to what had been a horrid offensive line. Switching guys to positions that were more comfortable for them made a world of difference against what was probably the best defensive front we've faced since the Iowa game. Those guys stepped up and man handled the Bison and DJ tore his way through the defense like I haven't seen for a better part of the year.

I don't think we'd blow out every team in the country if we continued to play like we did on Saturday but I also agree that we'd be undefeated right now if that team had shown up every week and I don't think any other FCS teams in the country are capable of shutting down the Bison like we just did. Not sure how consistently we can perform to that level but we've never lost a game started by Brion Carnes the past two years and he hasn't been Aaron Rodgers in any of those games. He's been good enough to keep the offense going and allow the defense to catch their breath for the better part of the game. When you have the best running back and one of the best defenses in the FCS, you don't need great QB play to win games, not even against NDSU. You just need someone who can keep a D honest and be effective enough to keep drives alive. Carnes is capable of that.

[WileECoyote06]

You have to look at the body of work. Grambling may be leading the SWAC West but that is equivalent to saying that an NFL team beat the top Arena league team. It's still not that impressive.

Liberty

They lost but were beating UNC until 6:00 left in the 3rd
They lost to an FCS top 10 Richmond team in 2 OT
Their final loss was to another top 20 squad at Indiana State
Their wins

D-II
Norfolk State (by easier than BCU did)
Bryant by 17 - Better rated than anyone that BCU has beaten
Appalachian State - as good a win as FIU (better in Sagarin)
3 conference games 189, 192, 218


They have played more better teams and their losses don't seem to be as bad losses


Eastern Kentucky

Loss to FCS #4 Jax State
Bad loss by 8 to 204 Tennesee Tech
Wins:

Weak FBS win against Miami-Ohio
# 171
# 184
# 196
# 234
# 240
# 248
Best win of the group over #124 Eastern Illinois


While they have the worst loss of the group, they also have the best win of that group.


Bryant

Lone loss to Liberty
Wins

D-II
#162
#167
#180
#182
#193
#227
#240


While no classically big win, they consistently beat teams that are better than BCU played and only lost once.


If BCU hadn't lost the SC. State game, they are ranked. If 9 of your games are against teams ranked worse than 200 or are D-II, you need to win your other games (as long as not a tough FBS team). Even Massey has them ranked in the mid-30s.

If you can type a convincing argument that shows that the nearly one-hundred AGS voters go through this type of scrutiny every week, then hey you've got a point. Seriously doubt that. I'm just riding for my conference mates like plenty of AGS posters have done before. The only reason Bryant is ranked is because someone took notice of them three weeks ago.

[OhioHen]

I was the guy that said UNH was No. 1. Now, will the 26 stand up for NDSU?

I left the Bison at #1. FWIW - UNH would not have been the beneficiary if I had dropped NDSU to #2.

[Professor Chaos]

I left the Bison at #1 too. Call me a homer but even with the convincing road loss to UNI I still feel that the Bison have a far superior resume to UNH, CCU, or JSU. In fact they have as many AGS top 25 wins (3) as all those other three teams combined and that doesn't even take into account they have the only FBS win of the group.

[KPSUL]

First of all, NDSU is the clear #1 for me. They'd need to lose again not to be #1 to me. They have a tremendous resume, a tremendous quality of wins and absolutely SPANKED UNH last season. I know it's last season, but those teams weren't close.

Secondarily, I think UNI is a damn good team. Does anyone think UNH would be favored if they played at UNI this season? I don't.

Thirdly, just compare resumes. Both teams have one loss. One team has an FBS win. Both teams play in good conferences. Hell, would Toledo vs. UNI RIGHT NOW really look that differently? UNI could easily be a better loss, IMO.

Do I think UNH has the clear SECOND best resume? Yes. But I don't see any rationale for them to be #1 right now except that NDSU lost more recently than they did, which isn't a great reason.

As much as I want UNH to end up #1, I'd still have to give NDSU the edge. I think it would be great if UNH got another shot at NDSU in the playoffs, in Durham or Frisco.

UNI would be favored over UNH in their dome, UNH would also be favored at home.

I doubt many, if any, of you who use that game for comparison realize the QB from Toledo who put up huge offensive numbers against UNH (Phillip Ely, Alabama transfer) was injured in the Toledo - Missouri game and hasn't played since. Toledo has a BCS Top 25 quality O-Line and running game but is now more one dimensional.
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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

As much as I want UNH to end up #1, I'd still have to give NDSU the edge. I think it would be great if UNH got another shot at NDSU in the playoffs, in Durham or Frisco.

UNI would be favored over UNH in their dome, UNH would also be favored at home.

I doubt many, if any, of you who use that game for comparison realize the QB from Toledo who put up huge offensive numbers against UNH (Phillip Ely, Alabama transfer) was injured in the Toledo - Missouri game and hasn't played since. Toledo has a BCS Top 25 quality O-Line and running game but is now more one dimensional.
.

Toledo at worst is a decent FBS team. The Rockets are 6-3, 5-0 in the MACTION. That game at this point means nothing imo. UNH has been rolling all year.....

[IBleedYellow]

Really when all is said and done I just want to see NDSU with a 1 or 2 seed, and if they win out I see no reason why they shouldn't be.

Dome-field advantage is a huge deal, and I believe this team can and will beat UNI in the rematch that is bound to happen in the playoffs.

[Sycamore62]

Really when all is said and done I just want to see NDSU with a 1 or 2 seed, and if they win out I see no reason why they shouldn't be.

Dome-field advantage is a huge deal, and I believe this team can and will beat UNI in the rematch that is bound to happen in the playoffs.
Id be curious as to how they would do on the road in the late playoffs.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Toledo at worst is a decent FBS team. The Rockets are 6-3, 5-0 in the MACTION. That game at this point means nothing imo. UNH has been rolling all year.....

+1

[IBleedYellow]

Id be curious as to how they would do on the road in the late playoffs.

NDSU or UNI? Both?

For NDSU this was their first loss since EWU in 2010 on the road, I'd bet we'll probably do well again on the rode for possibly just as long.

UNI has lost at Indiana State this year, so they know what a loss tastes like on the road.

[UNIFanSince1983]

NDSU or UNI? Both?

For NDSU this was their first loss since EWU in 2010 on the road, I'd bet we'll probably do well again on the rode for possibly just as long.

UNI has lost at Indiana State this year, so they know what a loss tastes like on the road.

You also have not had to play a road playoff game since that 2010 defeat. Not saying it would make a difference, but playing on the road in the playoffs is a different beast than on the road in the regular season.

We on the other hand know how to lose anywhere in any round of the playoffs xpeacex

[clenz]

You also have not had to play a road playoff game since that 2010 defeat. Not saying it would make a difference, but playing on the road in the playoffs is a different beast than on the road in the regular season.

We on the other hand know how to lose anywhere in any round of the playoffs xpeacex

I'm pretty sure UNI loses at home more than on the road in the playoffs...

[Panther-State]

I'm pretty sure UNI loses at home more than on the road in the playoffs...

Just another example of Panther superiority over those damn Bizzzon. :D

[clenz]

Just another example of Panther superiority over those damn Bizzzon. :D
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[Sycamore62]

NDSU or UNI? Both?

For NDSU this was their first loss since EWU in 2010 on the road, I'd bet we'll probably do well again on the rode for possibly just as long.

UNI has lost at Indiana State this year, so they know what a loss tastes like on the road.

Ya NDSU. great proofread on my part

[PantherRob82]

Things that rarely get brought up in this Kollmorgen vs Carnes debate is the Indiana State game. Kollmorgen was locked in solidly as the starter at this point. DJ touched the ball 27 times had well over 100 yards rushing. Kollmorgen completed 45.7% of his passes that day. Was that because we didn't give DJ the ball enough? Was he looking over his shoulder at Carnes who didn't even get to play that day and had only played mopup in the games previous?

47% of his passes were complete against Hawaii.
46% of his passes were complete against Iowa.

Looked good against horrendous TTU and UNC.

2012 Sawyer is runner up for Jerry Rice award has great season stats. Team finishes 5-6.

We don't have a great QB on our roster right now. There is one thing I do know and that is for some reason when Carnes plays we win. There is absolutely no reason to have Kollmorgen play again this season. Hopefully they are developing someone or have their eye on someone they are recruiting because we need it!

They brought Carnes in early against Hawaii and it sounds like the starter wasn't set until right before the Iowa game.

[PantherRob82]

If you can type a convincing argument that shows that the nearly one-hundred AGS voters go through this type of scrutiny every week, then hey you've got a point. Seriously doubt that. I'm just riding for my conference mates like plenty of AGS posters have done before. The only reason Bryant is ranked is because someone took notice of them three weeks ago.

I think you would be surprised with the effort voters put in.

[clenz]

They brought Carnes in early against Hawaii and it sounds like the starter wasn't set until right before the Iowa game.
It wasn't set

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[JSUBison]

People say UNH and Coastal haven't played as tough a schedule as NDSU. I agree with that, but why would you rank NDSU higher than Illinois State and Eastern Washington?

ISUr's only loss is a 14-point loss at UNI, NDSU lost at UNI by 20. I will also take EWU's loss to Washington over NDSU's win over Iowa State and I'll take a 7-point loss at NAU over a 20-point loss to UNI. No disrespect to UNI, I think they're playing like a top 5 lately.

One more comment…I've said this many times before but I think people still let FBS wins (especially those over G5s and bad P5s) carry more weight than they should.

Well FBS teams have something like a 85-90% all time winning percentage against FCS schools, so I think they are weighted appropriately.

[caribbeanhen]

Sammy is not getting any respect. But Liberty finally is....

[BISON Thunder]

That's what I was afraid of. Best player I've seen in FCS this year.

...and his competition is really not that close.

[caribbeanhen]

Your ballot needs a little Patrick Henry


Big shakeups this week:

1: New Hampshire Wildcats
2: Illinois State Redbirds
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Fordham Rams
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Bryant Bulldogs
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Bucknell Bison
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Idaho State Bengals
23: Cal Poly Mustangs
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[Panther-State]

Your ballot needs a little Patrick Henry

That's great. Bravo. xsmileyclapx

[LehighU11]

Mine. Had NDSU lost by a close margin, I likely would have kept them at #1. If the Bison win their remaining 2 games in the same convincing manner as 8 of their 9 wins to date, they'll return to the top spot.
1: New Hampshire Wildcats (2)
2: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers (3)
3: North Dakota State Bison (1)
4: Eastern Washington Eagles (6)
5: Villanova Wildcats (5)
6: Illinois State Redbirds (9)
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (10)
8: Fordham Rams (7)
9: Chattanooga Mocs (12)
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (20)
11: Montana State Bobcats (11)
12: Richmond Spiders (4)
13: Northern Iowa Panthers (25)
14: Liberty Flames (15)
15: Youngstown State Penguins (8)
16: James Madison Dukes (18)
17: Harvard Crimson (17)
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (24)
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (23)
20: Indiana State Sycamores (13)
21: Idaho State Bengals (NR)
22: Cal Poly Mustangs (19)
23: Montana Grizzlies (16)
24: Bryant Bulldogs (22)
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks (NR)

[Vitojr130]

A serious question: do NDSU No. 1 votes get disqualified from NDSU/MVFC fans because they are NDSU/MVFC/"homers"?

When I was voting UNH No. 1 it was said that a UNH No. 1 vote from a UNH/CAA fan would be thrown out. We know know for certain this isn't the case this week. At least one NDSU fan has admitted putting NDSU No. 1.

Or are the rules different if NDSU is involved?

If I would have voted, I would still have put NDSU at #1.

On this past Saturday, UNI was the better team. NDSU did not show up and paid the price.

I strongly believe that any other Saturday, NDSU would have pulled out a W. I think this loss will do the team good and will set them on tear. I'd be very scared if I was Missouri St. NDSU has the guns to win it all again in a convincing fashion.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

If I would have voted, I would still have put NDSU at #1.

On this past Saturday, UNI was the better team. NDSU did not show up and paid the price.

I strongly believe that any other Saturday, NDSU would have pulled out a W. I think this loss will do the team good and will set them on tear. I'd be very scared if I was Missouri St. NDSU has the guns to win it all again in a convincing fashion.



IMO, the Bison pound MSU this Saturday.

[Houndawg]

Or UNI...

I've been accused of being a Montana and NDSU fan in the last 7 days.

What the hell...I need to more clearly state my UNI fandom I guess.

xthumbsupx

yeah.....quit being so ambiguous all the time...

[dbackjon]

Sammy is not getting any respect. But Liberty finally is....
Losing to a division to school will do that to you

[caribbeanhen]

Losing to a division to school will do that to you

I understand but you do sound like a Michigan fan ya know

[dbackjon]

I understand but you do sound like a Michigan fan ya know
How so?

[Fordham]

I'm in awe of what NDSU has done over the past few years but I can't believe getting beaten soundly by a team not in the top 15 doesn't at least get you dropped out of the #1 slot in so many posters' ballots.

They could very well earn another national title when all is said and done but please tell me that how teams play on the field and those results actually matter just a little. Why play the games then?!!!?

They lost, they drop but they're still in the playoff mix and can win it all. Not, "they lost but we all know they're really the best so let's not give a crap what happened last Saturday", right?

I know I'm lining up squarely in the masses crosshairs but, seriously, what am I missing ?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm in awe of what NDSU has done over the past few years but I can't believe getting beaten soundly by a team not in the top 15 doesn't at least get you dropped out of the #1 slot in so many posters' ballots.

They could very well earn another national title when all is said and done but please tell me that how teams play on the field and those results actually matter just a little. Why play the games then?!!!?

They lost, they drop but they're still in the playoff mix and can win it all. Not, "they lost but we all know they're really the best so let's not give a crap what happened last Saturday", right?

I know I'm lining up squarely in the masses crosshairs but, seriously, what am I missing ?

I dropped em' one spot. Tell me who has a better resume than they do right now? You can give me a good answer that has merit then maybe I concede you should be astonished by this...but you can't do it.

Good luck though. You are a victim of slot voting and it's what would be considered "training wheels voting" by a good deal of the people here.

[Cocky]

Are we voting for the best resume or best team?

[Bison56]

Are we voting for the best resume or best team?
Don't you have to look at a teams resume to rank them?

[Kemo]

I'm in awe of what NDSU has done over the past few years but I can't believe getting beaten soundly by a team not in the top 15 doesn't at least get you dropped out of the #1 slot in so many posters' ballots.

They could very well earn another national title when all is said and done but please tell me that how teams play on the field and those results actually matter just a little. Why play the games then?!!!?

They lost, they drop but they're still in the playoff mix and can win it all. Not, "they lost but we all know they're really the best so let's not give a crap what happened last Saturday", right?

I know I'm lining up squarely in the masses crosshairs but, seriously, what am I missing ?
It's not that the last game doesn't matter, but rather there is a decent contingent of people (myself included) who look at their overall body of work so far and conclude that it's still the best in the FCS. That loss is a mark against their resume, but another team still has to be determined to have a better resume in order to take their spot.

[Fordham]

I dropped em' one spot. Tell me who has a better resume than they do right now? You can give me a good answer that has merit then maybe I concede you should be astonished by this...but you can't do it.

Good luck though. You are a victim of slot voting and it's what would be considered "training wheels voting" by a good deal of the people here.
All you're doing by framing the question like that is saying that prior to the UNI game you had already filled out your poll with NDSU in the #1 slot then. Whatever happened on the field later on that day was irrelevant. How is that not goofy to you? I know you're going to try to keep reframing it in a way that you had no other choice but what's the point of on field results if you had your mental poll filled in before the game started?

And what's the big deal if they lost and dropped a few? The beauty of FCS is that they don't get stuck by having a late season loss - they will still have a great shot at the title even if we accept that they had one game where for whatever reason, they didn't win and it wasn't against a top 10 team.

Ps - btw, you did drop them so I'm actually not referring to you. Just can't wrap my head around keeping them at #1

[Wallace]

FIFY


I dropped em' one spot. Tell me who has a better resume than they do right now? You can give me a good answer that has merit then maybe I concede you should be astonished by this...but you can't do it.

Good luck though. I am a victim of slot voting and it's what would be considered "training wheels voting" by a good deal of the people here.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Are we voting for the best resume or best team?

What? The resume tells you a great deal which team is the best one as far as I can tell? How you ranking them...dartboard? xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

All you're doing by framing the question like that is saying that prior to the UNI game you had already filled out your poll with NDSU in the #1 slot then. Whatever happened on the field later on that day was irrelevant. How is that not goofy to you? I know you're going to try to keep reframing it in a way that you had no other choice but what's the point of on field results if you had your mental poll filled in before the game started?

And what's the big deal if they lost and dropped a few? The beauty of FCS is that they don't get stuck by having a late season loss - they will still have a great shot at the title even if we accept that they had one game where for whatever reason, they didn't win and it wasn't against a top 10 team.

Ps - btw, you did drop them so I'm actually not referring to you. Just can't wrap my head around keeping them at #1

No, whatever happened was relevant but to some there was a pretty good cushion between NDSU and all following I suppose...I know I could have flipped a coin over the two I chose between.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

FIFY

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didja

[FargoBison]

All you're doing by framing the question like that is saying that prior to the UNI game you had already filled out your poll with NDSU in the #1 slot then. Whatever happened on the field later on that day was irrelevant. How is that not goofy to you? I know you're going to try to keep reframing it in a way that you had no other choice but what's the point of on field results if you had your mental poll filled in before the game started?

And what's the big deal if they lost and dropped a few? The beauty of FCS is that they don't get stuck by having a late season loss - they will still have a great shot at the title even if we accept that they had one game where for whatever reason, they didn't win and it wasn't against a top 10 team.

Ps - btw, you did drop them so I'm actually not referring to you. Just can't wrap my head around keeping them at #1

I didn't drop them, I place a huge emphasis on quality wins and body of work. Tell me how I should have voted differently using that methodology.

1. NDSU(Quality wins: SDSU, Montana, Indiana State, SIU and Iowa State...Bad Losses: none)
2. UNH(Quality wins: Richmond and William and Mary...Bad Losses: none)
3. Jax State(Quality wins: EKU and Chattanooga...Bad Losses: none)
4. EWU(Quality wins: Idaho State, Montana State and Montana....Quality loss: Washington....Bad Losses: none)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Like you can say much. You always got raging boners for certain teams and players regardless of who won the game. :D

I remember after the UNI-UNH playoff game in 2005 we had to listen to your Santos-Ball lovefest for hours. You probably would've voted them #1 that night if we did mid-playoff polls. ;)

Good times had by all on that trip.

Best part is he has zero to do with the AGS Poll so he has zero idea how anyone votes. it upsets him. Let him vent. xlolx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

1. NDSU(Quality wins: SDSU, Montana, Indiana State, SIU and Iowa State...Bad Losses: none)

xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I didn't drop them, I place a huge emphasis on quality wins and body of work. Tell me how I should have voted differently using that methodology.

1. NDSU(Quality wins: SDSU, Montana, Indiana State, SIU and Iowa State...Bad Losses: none)
2. UNH(Quality wins: Richmond and William and Mary...Bad Losses: none)
3. Jax State(Quality wins: EKU and Chattanooga...Bad Losses: none)
4. EWU(Quality wins: Idaho State, Montana State and Montana....Quality loss: Washington....Bad Losses: none)

That's the best usage of a word to explain how as well. Methodology. Everyone has different ways of getting to their final ballot.

[FargoBison]

xlolx

They are ranked in my top 25....barely but they are there. So it is a quality win but quality will vary.

SIU though is a decent team, wouldn't be shocked at all if they beat UNI.

[Wallace]

am i
didja
Incoherent much? Your anti-MVFC bias is clear at least. Post your ballot Mr. "do ya". NDSU should not drop because they lost a road game at #8 UNI, especially to a team that has inferior opponents. It looks like some posters here join in slot voting with you and replicate the selection committee.

Wofforded alert upcoming.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Incoherent much? Your anti-MVFC bias is clear at least. Post your ballot Mr. "do ya". NDSU should not drop because they lost a road game at #8 UNI, especially to a team that has inferior opponents. It looks like some posters here join in slot voting with you and replicate the selection committee.

Wofforded alert upcoming.

is it

[Wallace]

Originally Posted by PantherRob82 http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2176579#post2176579)
Like you can say much. You always got raging boners for certain teams and players regardless of who won the game. :D

I remember after the UNI-UNH playoff game in 2005 we had to listen to your Santos-Ball lovefest for hours. You probably would've voted them #1 that night if we did mid-playoff polls. ;)

Good times had by all on that trip.

You can conjecture all you want and keep screaming N*GG*R at the top of your lungs over and over. I was sick on that trip but I remember the racism coming from the front seat and you. We did talk a lot of sane football but your purple lenses must have forgot that. Best of luck.

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)

1. New Hampshire (2)
2. Jacksonville St. (3)
3. North Dakota St. (1)
4. Coastal Carolina (4)
5. Villanova (6)
6. Illinois St. (8)
7. Eastern Washington (11)
8. Tennessee-Chattanooga (9)
9. Fordham (10)
10. Youngstown St. (7)
11. Richmond (5)
12. Idaho St. (19)
13. Northern Iowa (24)
14. Liberty (18)
15. Eastern Kentucky (13)
16. James Madison (20)
17. Montana St. (15)
18. Southeastern Louisiana (21)
19. South Dakota St. (23)
20. Indiana St. (12)
21. Cal Poly (14)
22. Montana (16)
23. Bethune-Cookman (22)
24. Southern Illinois (25)
25. Sam Houston St. (NR)

W - Northern Iowa
L - McNeese St.



Dropped - McNeese St. (17)

[Wallace]

Best part is he has zero to do with the AGS Poll so he has zero idea how anyone votes.

How clueless can you be? I created the AGS Poll. The reason the AGS Poll is not considered now is because NO ONE KNOWS WHO VOTES IN IT. It was considered for the 8 years I ran it because ADs and SIDs trusted it. School websites used to run AGS Poll results. Pretend what you will but people enjoy the AGS Poll now because they visit this website, sincere good for them. Thanks admin.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

How clueless can you be? I created the AGS Poll. The reason the AGS Poll is not considered now is because NO ONE KNOWS WHO VOTES IN IT. It was considered for the 8 years I ran it because ADs and SIDs trusted it. School websites used to run AGS Poll results. Pretend what you will but people enjoy the AGS Poll now because they visit this website, sincere good for them. Thanks admin.

wut? xlolx

[thebootfitter]

wut? xlolx
I would like to hear the back story on all of this sometime. Seems that it would be some good reading.

[ejjones]

BTW, the anti-MEAC bias is really frustrating. BCU has an FBS win on their resume. Every FCS team with six or more wins and an FBS win is ranked except Yale. It's inconsistent.
Are you kidding? You expect to get the same respect as the powerful Patriot or NEC league? Fordham & Bryant haven't beaten anybody & their conference has about 2 teams with winning records....voting amazes me.

[ejjones]

I put them in the 20-25 range as well. The lack of any schedule strength keeps them down in my mind.

Dewey
just like Fordham & Bryant?

[WileECoyote06]

Are you kidding? You expect to get the same respect as the powerful Patriot or NEC league? Fordham & Bryant haven't beaten anybody & their conference has about 2 teams with winning records....voting amazes me.

Someone laid out a decent explanation for why they didn't vote for Bethune, but that methodology ignores conference losses by teams in other conferences. I brought up Bryant because Bethune-Cookman's win over FBS FIU is better than any win on Bryant's resume; but Bryant is undefeated in their conference so they don't have any perceived 'bad losses'. All I can say is don't be shocked if the MEAC gets three teams in this year. NCCU is going to do its best to knock out A&T, but should we be beaten soundly, the committee will be left with a real dilemma. On top of that, A&T's AD is on the committee, and he's never been one to avoid controversy. He won't get to vote on his own team, but I'm sure he'll have some influence.

[caribbeanhen]

Toledo at worst is a decent FBS team. ...

Toledo would probably be the FCS champ, this is not the FCS of your youth boys....

[caribbeanhen]

How so?

Apparently your brain processes Div 2 team they way a Michigan fan processed 1AA team prior to 2007, No respect. Sammy has a path to the playoffs and are a team to watch!

[IBleedYellow]

How clueless can you be? I created the AGS Poll. The reason the AGS Poll is not considered now is because NO ONE KNOWS WHO VOTES IN IT. It was considered for the 8 years I ran it because ADs and SIDs trusted it. School websites used to run AGS Poll results. Pretend what you will but people enjoy the AGS Poll now because they visit this website, sincere good for them. Thanks admin.

High on yourself much? You create something, then sell it, then come back and tell those that now run it they are all wrong and you were the almighty perfect person to run it.

Lawl

[clenz]

High on yourself much? You create something, then sell it, then come back and tell those that now run it they are all wrong and you were the almighty perfect person to run it.

Lawl
What's funny is I don't remember any schools ever posting the AGS poll.


Ralph must be on crack again.

[kalm]

Toledo would probably be the FCS champ, this is not the FCS of your youth boys....

They were very solid last year and had tremendous team speed. They're one of the few to keep us under 30.

[clenz]

Toledo would probably be the FCS champ, this is not the FCS of your youth boys....
I'm, assuming then, you believe Iowa State would be FCS champs?

[kalm]

Someone laid out a decent explanation for why they didn't vote for Bethune, but that methodology ignores conference losses by teams in other conferences. I brought up Bryant because Bethune-Cookman's win over FBS FIU is better than any win on Bryant's resume; but Bryant is undefeated in their conference so they don't have any perceived 'bad losses'. All I can say is don't be shocked if the MEAC gets three teams in this year. NCCU is going to do its best to knock out A&T, but should we be beaten soundly, the committee will be left with a real dilemma. On top of that, A&T's AD is on the committee, and he's never been one to avoid controversy. He won't get to vote on his own team, but I'm sure he'll have some influence.

Seriously. Just go to A&T's Massey page and look at the ranking of their opponents.

Check that. Look at BCU and and SCSU as well. Combined, they have 4 wins against teams below 200 in Massey, and three of those are against each other.

[WileECoyote06]

Seriously. Just go to A&T's Massey page and look at the ranking of their opponents.

I already look at it dozens of times a week.. I'm a Massey adherent, moreso than Sagarin. There is nothing that indicates that the playoff committee even considers Massey over their own system; which I suspect is closer to the ranking formula used in Division II. That not withstanding, I brought A&T into the conversation, only discussing playoff berths.

Back to the original topic I rank the Aggies in my AGS poll, but I can definitely see a reason for not including them. My main argument was about Bethune-Cookman who is underrated IMO. I also feel Eastern Washington is being undervalued on AGS as well; and the committee will likely put them as a three seed or higher. The argument to seed them higher ironically is the same argument for inviting A&T. They would have beaten their opponent (SCSU/NAU) had their starting quarterback been available.

[robsnotes4u]

Seriously. Just go to A&T's Massey page and look at the ranking of their opponents.

Check that. Look at BCU and and SCSU as well. Combined, they have 4 wins against teams below 200 in Massey, and three of those are against each other.

Here is some food for thought.

1. Last year 3 teams made the playoffs that had 7 D1 wins or less. Of those two were autobids.
2. Only four teams with 8 D1 wins or more did not make the playoffs.
-#18 Youngstown State-finished the year with three consecutive losses
-Lehigh
-#23 Chattanooga-finished the season with two consecutive losses.
-#24 Charleston S- finished with two consecutive losses

Shows how influential winning 8 D1 games is, and how you end the season.

[Mattymc727]

Here is some food for thought.

1. Last year 5 teams made the playoffs that had 7 D1 wins or less. Three of those 5 were autobids.
2. Only three teams with 8 D1 wins or more did not make the playoffs.
-#18 Youngstown State-finished the year with three consecutive losses
-Lehigh
-#23 Chattanooga-finished the season with two consecutive losses.

Shows how influential winning 8 D1 games is, and how you end the season.


Heres an interesting question. UNH is 8-1 right now, and ranked #1 on TSN and AGS. If UNH loses their last two and ends up at 8-3, do they make the playoffs? Would basically be the same scenario as Chatty last year

[caribbeanhen]

I'm, assuming then, you believe Iowa State would be FCS champs?

that would depend if they can beat Northern Iowa in the Semi's :D

Toledo is better than Iowa State, are they not? They sure put a good whippin on New Hampshire and they have Mid western speed...

[Nickels]

SELA @ 13? McNeese above SFA? Where do you all get your weed from? It's clearly better than mine.

[UNH Fanboi]

that would depend if they can beat Northern Iowa in the Semi's :D

Toledo is better than Iowa State, are they not? They sure put a good whippin on New Hampshire and they have Mid western speed...

Toledo lost to Iowa St.

[clenz]

that would depend if they can beat Northern Iowa in the Semi's :D

Toledo is better than Iowa State, are they not? They sure put a good whippin on New Hampshire and they have Mid western speed...
Iowa State was up by 2 scores with less than 60 seconds left in the game between the two of them a couple weeks ago.

Toledo scored a garbage time TD.

Toledo allowed Iowa State to run up 454 yards of offense....or over 100 more yards than their average (including that game)



That same Iowa State team just got crushed by Kansas for Kansas's second B12 win in about 6 years

That same Iowa State team that has lost to an FCS team 2 straight years and is 1 point (a miracle 38 yrd TD pass with 3 secondsish left on the clock where there WR was in bounds by a blade of grass) away from losing 3 of their last 4 to FCS teams

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Are you kidding? You expect to get the same respect as the powerful Patriot or NEC league?

Glad to see you understand.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Heres an interesting question. UNH is 8-1 right now, and ranked #1 on TSN and AGS. If UNH loses their last two and ends up at 8-3, do they make the playoffs? Would basically be the same scenario as Chatty last year

I think they're probably in even in that scenario. I didn't follow the thought to its logical conclusion but I think there might even be a chance for UNH to lose their last two games and still win the autobid.

[dbackjon]

Apparently your brain processes Div 2 team they way a Michigan fan processed 1AA team prior to 2007, No respect. Sammy has a path to the playoffs and are a team to watch!


When you are down 40 points AT HOME to a DII team and only make it semi-respectable in garbage time then it is a horrible loss.

Yes they have a path to the playoffs. A lot of teams do.

You asked why people aren't ranking them. I gave you a damn good reason why.

[dbackjon]

High on yourself much? You create something, then sell it, then come back and tell those that now run it they are all wrong and you were the almighty perfect person to run it.

Lawl

he didn't sell - he lost it do to non payment of bills. Only a last minute paying Bill by GAS and Lulu allow this to continue to operate after a month of shutdown

[Lehigh'98]

What? The resume tells you a great deal which team is the best one as far as I can tell? How you ranking them...dartboard? xlolx

Florida St is #1 or 2 I think in FBS. There are several teams with better resumes. The problem arises when you have a juggernaut team with a weaker schedule. Much like any year in FBS when 3 or more teams go undefeated. If someone thinks a team is just flat out more talented and better than a team w a better resume, very hard to prove it either way.

[bjtheflamesfan]

1: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
2: New Hampshire Wildcats
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Fordham Rams
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Liberty Flames
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Bryant Bulldogs
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Cal Poly Mustangs
25: Montana Grizzlies

Here is my ballot after a couple weeks taking care of my wife and son while she recovers from a back injury...some may think I suffered a head injury with this ballot so flame away

[clenz]

he didn't sell - he lost it do to non payment of bills. Only a last minute paying Bill by GAS and Lulu allow this to continue to operate after a month of shutdown
This...

This site was literally shut down for months. He would solicit donations nonstop and would get thousands and thousands of dollars every year from it. Turns out he wasn't paying bills with it...he was doing crack, or whatever his drug of choice was, on the message board users dime.

The reason this poll might have lost some respect has zero to do with ursus or Great App State (who saved this place). In fact, because of ursus and what he's done here and with the FCS Wedge I would say this site is much more respected now than it ever was with that dip**** running it.

[Sycamore62]

This...

This site was literally shut down for months. He would solicit donations nonstop and would get thousands and thousands of dollars every year from it. Turns out he wasn't paying bills with it...he was doing crack, or whatever his drug of choice was, on the message board users dime.

The reason this poll might have lost some respect has zero to do with ursus or Great App State (who saved this place). In fact, because of ursus and what he's done here and with the FCS Wedge I would say this site is much more respected now than it ever was with that dip**** running it.

Cocaine's a hell of a drug
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[UNIFanSince1983]

Iowa State was up by 2 scores with less than 60 seconds left in the game between the two of them a couple weeks ago.

Toledo scored a garbage time TD.

Toledo allowed Iowa State to run up 454 yards of offense....or over 100 more yards than their average (including that game)



That same Iowa State team just got crushed by Kansas for Kansas's second B12 win in about 6 years

That same Iowa State team that has lost to an FCS team 2 straight years and is 1 point (a miracle 38 yrd TD pass with 3 secondsish left on the clock where there WR was in bounds by a blade of grass) away from losing 3 of their last 4 to FCS teams

Funny story is that Kansas actually tore down the goalposts after their victory over a 2-7 Iowa State team.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Funny story is that Kansas actually tore down the goalposts after their victory over a 2-7 Iowa State team.

Is that any different than rushing the field after winning your 6th regular season game?

[clenz]

Cocaine's a hell of a drug
http://media1.giphy.com/media/L4TYWQn8rALRu/200.gif
http://m.memegen.com/en4aa9.jpg

[UNIFanSince1983]

Is that any different than rushing the field after winning your 6th regular season game?

Hmm lets see one team beat a team that is 2-7.

Another team beat a previously 9-0 team who had a 33 game win streak and was 3 time defending National Champions.

No you are right those wins are exactly the same.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If ISUr and NDSU win out, who wins the MVFC autobid, technically? Guessing NDSU or coin flip?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Hmm lets see one team beat a team that is 2-7.

Another team beat a previously 9-0 team who had a 33 game win streak and was 3 time defending National Champions.

No you are right those wins are exactly the same.

Rushing the field for anything less than a championship is silly.


Seriously though, those KU fans are crazy. They did the same thing last year when they beat West Virginia. I dont know what the budget is but they need to invest in those goalpasts that lay down.

[KUlawJack]

Hmm lets see one team beat a team that is 2-7.

Another team beat a previously 9-0 team who had a 33 game win streak and was 3 time defending National Champions.

No you are right those wins are exactly the same.

As a KU alum, it was worth tearing those down. We are dog **** at football. We need the ghost of Todd Reesing to return to Lawrence and save us.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

If ISUr and NDSU win out, who wins the MVFC autobid, technically? Guessing NDSU or coin flip?

in 2011, UNI and NDSU tied but NDSU won the head to head. I don't know how it works when they don't play.

[Fear the Bird]

As a KU alum, it was worth tearing those down. We are dog **** at football. We need the ghost of Todd Reesing to return to Lawrence and save us.

Should have overlooked any wrongdoings by the Mangenius! Anybody who can lead KU football to respectability deserves the ability to cheat


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[Sycamore62]

Rushing the field for anything less than a championship is silly.


Seriously though, those KU fans are crazy. They did the same thing last year when they beat West Virginia. I dont know what the budget is but they need to invest in those goalpasts that lay down.

Rushing the field is silly.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Should have overlooked any wrongdoings by the Mangenius! Anybody who can lead KU football to respectability deserves the ability to cheat


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Funny, they didn't care when he had a winning record. They got him out during a down year.

[KUlawJack]

Should have overlooked any wrongdoings by the Mangenius! Anybody who can lead KU football to respectability deserves the ability to cheat


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He didn't cheat. He was just too mean to some of the players and they complained and Lou Perkins had a way to get rid of him and hire who he wanted as coach. Thanks for nothing on that deal.

[clenz]

If ISUr and NDSU win out, who wins the MVFC autobid, technically? Guessing NDSU or coin flip?
Tie break...for the MVFC...for the 900th time in 700th difference thread.

1. Head to Head
2. If no head to head exists it goes to record v common opponents
3. If that is the same (it would be as both only loss to UNI) it goes to GPI

[Wallace]

What's funny is I don't remember any schools ever posting the AGS poll.Your school did you idiot.

[Fear the Bird]

Tie break...for the MVFC...for the 900th time in 700th difference thread.

1. Head to Head
2. If no head to head exists it goes to record v common opponents
3. If that is the same (it would be as both only loss to UNI) it goes to GPI

What conference does or did whichever team hasn't won the conference more recently? SoCon?


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[Sycamore62]

If ISUr and NDSU win out, who wins the MVFC autobid, technically? Guessing NDSU or coin flip?

I was going to try to cut and paste this but I cant.
in a 2 way tie..
After head to head doesn't work...
compare each team's record against the next highest team in the standings.
If that fails to break the tie, the latest available GPI ranking prior to NCAA selection shall be used as the final tiebreaker

So both losses were to UNI it looks like if the season ends up going chalk, we will go with the GPI that comes out after this weeks games because GPI doesnt update again before the selection after the final regular season (not for sure on the last part about GPI)

[clenz]

Your school did you idiot.
What's funny is UNI didn't start putting rankings on the schedules until 2012...

[UNIFanSince1983]

What conference does or did whichever team hasn't won the conference more recently? SoCon?


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I don't know about FCS, but I know that is the way it works in the D-III Iowa Conference. xthumbsupx

[Sycamore62]

What conference does or did whichever team hasn't won the conference more recently? SoCon?


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I swear, in the old Gateway (about 1996) we were playing UNI week 10 (of 11) for a guaranteed 3 way tie and I was under the understanding that's how we would get in. then...Dedric Ward

[caribbeanhen]

Toledo lost to Iowa St.

I knew I was being set up.. haha, this confirms that North Dakota State should still be ranked #1, they still beat Coastal and New Hampshire.

[Wallace]

High on yourself much? You create something, then sell it, then come back and tell those that now run it they are all wrong and you were the almighty perfect person to run it.
Sorry, never said I was anything best or almighty, many people helped run it, I was answering urb.

[caribbeanhen]

When you are down 40 points AT HOME to a DII team and only make it semi-respectable in garbage time then it is a horrible loss.

Yes they have a path to the playoffs. A lot of teams do.

You asked why people aren't ranking them. I gave you a damn good reason why.

Sure it was a bad loss, I think as the FCS sinks further over the horizon, the gap is narrowing between Div 2 and FCS. Sam Houston seems to have put that loss behind them and are playing better, they are at least a top 25 team right now.

[Wallace]

he didn't selldirect misinformation - this is one of the reasons AGS has declined

[PantherRob82]

Best part is he has zero to do with the AGS Poll so he has zero idea how anyone votes. it upsets him. Let him vent. xlolx

Haha. I tried to delete that post because I realized no amount of emoticons could make it come across as friendly. :)

[bjtheflamesfan]

direct misinformation - this is one of the reasons AGS has declined

The dark side is strong in this one...

[PantherRob82]

If ISUr and NDSU win out, who wins the MVFC autobid, technically? Guessing NDSU or coin flip?

GPI. NDSU

[PantherRob82]

Your school did you idiot.

It's true, they did.

[rokamortis]

I for one think AGS has improved in the past few years.

[clenz]

It's true, they did.
And ralph literally running the site to the ground had nothing to do with not using it?

Nope, it's all because ursus doesn't publicize ballots

[Wallace]

And ralph literally running the site to the ground had nothing to do with not using it? Nope, it's all because ursus doesn't publicize ballots
Running the site to over 10,000 members when AGS started with 23 is pretty horrific. AGS never publicized ballots but officials of the NCAA trusted me when I said that all votes are verified. I don't hide behind my keyboard and screen names like these other people. Now stop this silly stuff and talk FCS.

[dbackjon]

Sure it was a bad loss, I think as the FCS sinks further over the horizon, the gap is narrowing between Div 2 and FCS. Sam Houston seems to have put that loss behind them and are playing better, they are at least a top 25 team right now.


The gap is as big as ever. Last year a record number of FCS teams beat FBS teams - does that mean the gap between those two is shrinking?
NAU has lost to a DII in the past - so I guess the gap was small in the 80's, as well?

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direct misinformation - this is one of the reasons AGS has declined

Whatever gets you through the day

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Running the site to over 10,000 members when AGS started with 23 is pretty horrific. AGS never publicized ballots but officials of the NCAA trusted me when I said that all votes are verified. I don't hide behind my keyboard and screen names like these other people. Now stop this silly stuff and talk FCS.

xlolx

awesome.

[Wallace]

The dark side is strong in this one...
yeah, just ignore them and talk FCS

[bjtheflamesfan]

I was more referring to you actually Mr. Ralph...your high level of bitterness is quite disconcerting