Lehigh @ Princeton

[Lehigh Football Nation]

My initial preview:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/game-preview-lehigh-at-princeton-9212013.html (http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/07/know-your-2013-opponents-princeton.html)

Links to all the news on the suspensions:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/breaking-four-mountan-hawk-players.html

Morning Call Preview:

http://articles.mcall.com/2013-09-18/sports/mc-lehigh-football-0918-20130918_1_lee-kurfis-suspensions-mountain-hawks

Lehigh Injury Report:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh/index.ssf/2013/09/lehigh_university_football_tea_106.html#incart_fly out_sports

People nationally might not have paid this game much mind before, but I'm pretty sure they will now.

Airing at 6PM Saturday Night on NBC Sports Network.

My Princeton breakdown to come as well.

[Bogus Megapardus]

People nationally might not have paid this game much mind before, but I'm pretty sure they will now.



Because of the bar fight?

[Lehigh'98]

I will keep saying this is a very bad spot for my beloved Mountain Hawks. The fight distractions, playing at Princeton at night where they will be fired up on national tv, them having 2 games of film of Lehigh being pushed around upfront and perhaps some key injuries for Lehigh. I'm really hoping we can make some more magic happen here, but I wouldn't bet a penny on it. This is a very big test for Lehigh and will be a decent gauge to see if Princeton has improved from last year. Looking forward to a high scoring game here, but sadly picking against Lehigh in this one. PU 31, LU 27.

[crusader11]

People nationally might not have paid this game much mind before, but I'm pretty sure they will now.


I seriously doubt that.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I seriously doubt that.

Please. You did your part.

[RichH2]

Not a good way to go into Princeton. Suspensions will not help , but injuries a bigger problem. Palma,Chiasson concussion scans,Laub shoulder and Muhammed all either out or limited for Sat. " Next man up" will really get tested.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Princeton is also starting a lot of fresh faces. They're likely talented but unproven.

[CFBfan]

Not a good way to go into Princeton. Suspensions will not help , but injuries a bigger problem. Palma,Chiasson concussion scans,Laub shoulder and Muhammed all either out or limited for Sat. " Next man up" will really get tested.

C'mon stop this!! GU went in their last year with a backup qb who couldn't throw at all then he got hurt and they finished with their 3rd string qbthey were also on national television (espnu) and they beat the tigers. if LU doesn't win this game forget the At Large!!!

[Ivytalk]

Nice lead-in, LFN. Should be a fun game on Saturday!

[RichH2]

C'mon stop this!! GU went in their last year with a backup qb who couldn't throw at all then he got hurt and they finished with their 3rd string qbthey were also on national television (espnu) and they beat the tigers. if LU doesn't win this game forget the At Large!!!

Never was concerned with at large for this year.That is for Fordham to lose. I want a solid winng season.

[CFBfan]

Never was concerned with at large for this year.That is for Fordham to lose. I want a solid winng season.

the at large was "for fun" my real point is LU should absolutely win this game.....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

the at large was "for fun" my real point is LU should absolutely win this game.....

I will say that a very good team would win this game, despite all the other stuff. Saturday we discover whether Lehigh is merely a good team, or a very good team. ("Great" team, well, that will wait for another few weeks.)

[carney2]

The first of a 3 game death march. This is probably the only realistic shot at a victory in the 3.

[Lehigh'98]

the at large was "for fun" my real point is LU should absolutely win this game.....


Have you watched Lehigh play this year? Any team with a solid O line and talented running game is going to give them fits. Princeton has never been a pushover for us, though we usually find a way to win.

[Bogus Megapardus]

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[crusader11]

I usually go to barstoolsports.com to check out pictures of scantily clad women and read some funny commentary on stories, but that may change if Bogie keeps this up.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I usually go to barstoolsports.com to check out pictures of scantily clad women and read some funny commentary on stories, but that may change if Bogie keeps this up.

The above was an FBS transfer from another thread.

[Lehigh'98]

every single thread hijacked....lol

[Ivytalk]

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Holy cameltoe, Batman!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Holy cameltoe, Batman!

Speaking of Batman (and cameltoe), I think MLP would have been a perfect 1970s actress. I view her in that genre. She has the look and the demeanor.


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1766/v6md.jpg

[Go...gate]

Princeton is also starting a lot of fresh faces. They're likely talented but unproven.

Agree. I think it will be a very interesting and entertaining game.

[citdog]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0n4izWmWug

[Sader87]

Speaking of Batman (and cameltoe), I think MLP would have been a perfect 1970s actress. I view her in that genre. She has the look and the demeanor.


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1766/v6md.jpg


Absolutely....though she got a little annoying on "Weeds" imo in the later seasons.

BTW....best finish evah at Palmer Stadium, HC @ Princeton 1988.

[RichH2]

More please,Bogie

[Pard4Life]

Have you watched Lehigh play this year? Any team with a solid O line and talented running game is going to give them fits. Princeton has never been a pushover for us, though we usually find a way to win.

Have I really ruined your season by predicting Lehigh victory in Game 1? I should do it more often... :D

Lehigh 140, Princeton 0

[Pard4Life]

How many times have you changed your avatar this week Bogie?

ps LSD Quaker has me creeped out

[Bogus Megapardus]

More please,Bogie

In Lehigh's case it's, "thank you Sir, may I have another."

[ngineer]

If Lippincott and Muhammed can't go, we'll have a tough road to hoe. Haven't had any explanation on Kyle Moore not playing yet. Word at CCSU was that he was expected back at Monmouth. Now, not shown on two deep for Princeton. Could be a high scoring affair, though that is what everyone expected at Monmouth which didn't materialize. I hope Pandy is ready and has gotten over the two missed FGs last week. Lots of close games this year so his leg (and head) are crucial. Weather looks great...mid-60's for most of the game.

[Lehigh'98]

Have I really ruined your season by predicting Lehigh victory in Game 1? I should do it more often... :D

Lehigh 140, Princeton 0

That's quite alright P4L, in case you missed it, I picked Lafayette to utterly destroy and humiliate Penn this week in the pick em thread 35-0. On 2nd thought, I will be revising that to Laf 143 - Penn (-8). I see no scenario under which Penn competes.

[RichH2]

If Lippincott and Muhammed can't go, we'll have a tough road to hoe. Haven't had any explanation on Kyle Moore not playing yet. Word at CCSU was that he was expected back at Monmouth. Now, not shown on two deep for Princeton. Could be a high scoring affair, though that is what everyone expected at Monmouth which didn't materialize. I hope Pandy is ready and has gotten over the two missed FGs last week. Lots of close games this year so his leg (and head) are crucial. Weather looks great...mid-60's for most of the game.

Forecast for evening is heavy rain, which may keep score down but increase errors.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Game Breakdown and Fearless Prediction:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/game-3-breakdown-lehigh-at-princeton.html

A lot of mystery surrounding this game. Gonna be an interesting one however this plays out.

[Pard4Life]

Game Breakdown and Fearless Prediction:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/game-3-breakdown-lehigh-at-princeton.html

A lot of mystery surrounding this game. Gonna be an interesting one however this plays out.


I think the Colgate game is more intriguing... what will Colgate do without McC?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I read that Lehigh put up the most yards on a Monmouth defense in their history. I really feel Lehigh is step away from going off on someone. If the defense can bend but not break, PU not a very explosive "O", I think LU wins. If the offense commits stupid mistakes and the PU offense is able to control the clock AND put up points at the end of drives then the Tigers will win rather easily.

I don't see the suspension/off the field trouble being a major problem. The loss of Nigel is easily the biggest concern. Even the OL shuffling should be able to be addressed. Lots of good players there.

[RichH2]

Agree owl issue is i whether we can avoid so many errors on O. D will be challenged to prevent long time consuming drives. Must limit the chances Tigers get. Also expect LU O to put together a monster game. Nite away game in the rain does not seem like a conducive time.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Will the game be streamed on LU's site? Or is video only available on NBC Sports?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Agree owl issue is i whether we can avoid so many errors on O. D will be challenged to prevent long time consuming drives. Must limit the chances Tigers get. Also expect LU O to put together a monster game. Nite away game in the rain does not seem like a conducive time.

The PU OL is rather small, especially by their standards, 275, 285, 260, 280, 285. I think that helps Lehigh's cause a little bit after facing two big OL's. Their offense in general is rather small.

Defense is another story. Caruan is a monster.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If you have NBC Sports Network you can stream the game here:

http://stream.nbcsports.com/liveextra/?SPSID=46859&SPID=4263&DB_OEM_ID=10600

Note the Lehigh game listed amongst the MLS and EPL games.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The Princeton - Lehigh game is now listed under NCAA Football. I'm not sure you have to have NBC Sports Network on cable to get the stream though. Isn't it more like ESPN3, where the ISP provider simply has to sponsor it? I could be wrong, of course.

Read here: http://stream.nbcsports.com/liveextra/about.html

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The Princeton - Lehigh game is now listed under NCAA Football. I'm not sure you have to have NBC Sports Network on cable to get the stream though. Isn't it more like ESPN3, where the ISP provider simply has to sponsor it? I could be wrong, of course.

Read here: http://stream.nbcsports.com/liveextra/about.html

That would be awesome if true. Maybe I'll have to check with folks this weekend to see if you can stream it anyway. I'm guessing not, just because of the EPL content.

On a semi-related note, I tried hard to stream the NFL Network's broadcast, or ABC's local broadcast, of Chiefs/Eagles on my laptop but failed miserably. Thank you, DirecTV and ABC.

[Go...gate]

I think the Colgate game is more intriguing... what will Colgate do without McC?

Lose.

[RichH2]

Not so pessimistic GO. Finelli s/b better and Yale really isn't very good. Even Gate D s/n/b severely challenged.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Reid is the #1 FCS player according to McShay.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Less than two hours until kickoff!!

[RichH2]

Already driving my wife crazy. Doesn't help that sun is out and I want to be there. Oh,well. For us hope rain holds off for a while so we can score early and quick and hold on for a win. Given season so far and the past week a win will not be easy.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Not sure which way this game (or the Pard - Penn game) will go now. Yale and Brown looked great but Columbia is atrocious. Cornell is just jetting by Bucknell but that score could flip easily.

[RichH2]

while rain ma ynot be an issue early bit I'm guessing wind will be. Assuming that it is as windy in Princeton as here in NYC.

[Engineer86]

Already driving my wife crazy. Doesn't help that sun is out and I want to be there. Oh,well. For us hope rain holds off for a while so we can score early and quick and hold on for a win. Given season so far and the past week a win will not be easy.

Clearly a storm coming in Hellertown. I went with the watch on TV approach.

[Bogus Megapardus]

while rain ma ynot be an issue early bit I'm guessing wind will be. Assuming that it is as windy in Princeton as here in NYC.

I'm in Princeton - wind is ripping pretty good. It will be coming directly over the far endzone. After the front comes through, it looks like the wind will change directions almost 180 degrees.

[RichH2]

Tanks Bogie. More injuries,Owens out Douglas in on OL. Reminds me of Andy's early years with injuries by the boatload.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Tanks Bogie. More injuries,Owens out Douglas in on OL. Reminds me of Andy's early years with injuries by the boatload.

Anything serious or just dings?

[LehighU11]

After this afternoon's gruesome beatdowns by the Ivies, the PL could really use as close to a 60 minute effort from Lehigh. Unfortunately, that hasn't been done since 2011.

Somewhat fitting that the 2.5 hours of programming on NBCSN prior to Lehigh @ Princeton is yachting...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

About 20 minute until kickoff! Hoping the guys come out and put together a solid 60 minutes!

[Fordham]

C'mon engineers!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

tough break on the INT.....

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Princeton goes right down the field after the int...

7-0 Tigers with about 10 minutes left in 1Q

[RichH2]

8-0 Princeton. Our inside D is non existent. DL getting blown off the line A 15 pt swing on the TO

[RichH2]

Stupid penalty to start O. Looks like we're starting this game llike all the others. Pathetic drive

[Kramer]

OK -- so we hardly ever run the ball -- except on third down and six yards to go???

[Bogus Megapardus]

Pards and Engineers both crappy start so far.

[Kramer]

Nice! Int!

[Kramer]

a defensive stop. that's encouraging.

[RichH2]

D holds. O needs to move

[RichH2]

Hey, K. Been banished to the den. Hope Tigers adrenaline wearing off and they regress.

[RichH2]

Missed FG .Pandy great leg so far inaccurate.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

The FG situation is terrible. This guy can't come close to making a FG. BB has to get rid of the ball. He had time to do something rather than putting his head down and running up the middle.

[Kramer]

Princeton picking up substantial yardage on pretty much every offensive play.

[RichH2]

Classic LU bend dont break D as P marches down the field

[RichH2]

Nice block. Pandy has not adapted to width of college goalposts. He will,I hope

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

LU defense makes a nice stand then they block a FG! C'mon offense!!

[Kramer]

a long TD drive here would be nice.

[RichH2]

Not passing down field at all. Tigers staying in 2 safety coverage. O too inconsistent so far. Some odd play claling .Double on Lee every play. TE over middle will be open. Course hinges on protecting BB. Keith stepping up well. Need OL to do same

[RichH2]

No pass rush at all. Almost like we ar playing Pards prevent D.

[RichH2]

DBs do need to learn to look back

[RichH2]

DL eaten alive inside

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

D has its issues but I'm more frustrated with the offense!

[Engineer86]

TU Owl if you are seeing this, you are getting you answer. LUs AWFUL. If they win this you know someone has a magic a$$ on south mountain that feeds wins.

[Kramer]

it's frustrating that we can't generate any pass rush.

[RichH2]

Princeton much more athletic, Finally a longer pass to Lee. Stretch them out

[RichH2]

Another 3rd and long. Nice pass to Soto

[Bogus Megapardus]

Just caught that Tiger TD as Penn-Lafayette went to the half. Defensive issues?

[Engineer86]

OK I am ready for this magic were this terrible team stays in the locker room and the other guys come out after the half

[Engineer86]

Just caught that Tiger TD as Penn-Lafayette went to the half. Defensive issues?

Defense is bad, offense is bad, but don't worry missed a FG too.

[Engineer86]

That is so appropriate take a knee with :33 left in half, it says a lot

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Why not take a shot? Princeton gets the ball first in the second half.

[Engineer86]

Why not take a shot? Princeton gets the ball first in the second half.

29-3 coming soon to a TV near me

[hawkineer]

If today and this season in general is any indication, the non-scholly P.L. teams are awful. It is frightening to think what New Hampshire and Fordham are going to do to this LU defense. If and when do you try McHale?

[RichH2]

Lets hope magic wand shows up. Really being schooled by Princeton coaches. Our DCs so mindlessly conservative . Not doing the job fellas. Where is Coach K w need him

[Bogus Megapardus]

I've only been able to see a few plays of this game but Coen seems pretty conservative and Tiger secondary is much better that I thought.

[RichH2]

Bb has made some bad throws but overall given lack of protection not bad. McHale would open up O tho with his running. Dave seems stuck in neutral also just like DCs

[Engineer86]

If today and this season in general is any indication, the non-scholly P.L. teams are awful. It is frightening to think what New Hampshire and Fordham are going to do to this LU defense. If and when do you try McHale?

I would go further to Shafnisky and th restof the freshman. I missed last weeks game, but in a game and a half, if not for terribly conservative CCSU coaching this team has shown to be awful.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Quite concerned that Andy didn't even attempt to go for a score at the end of the first half.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

This and the MSU game are ugly watches right now. Thankfully Temple snuck past "bye" today.....

[RichH2]

Agreed but we have been very tame for the most part all game. Kneeling down just capped it off.

[Lehigh'98]

This is exactly what I was afraid of after watching LU last week. This won't end well

[hawkineer]

Bb has made some bad throws but overall given lack of protection not bad. McHale would open up O tho with his running. Dave seems stuck in neutral also just like DCs

Co-defensive coordinators is silly. Kinda like QBs. If you have two, you don't have any. Like Bottiglieri to get his old DC role back.

[RichH2]

D may not be very good but at least they are getting aggressive

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Not sure why you go for 2 there? Now you're chasing points.

[RichH2]

Nice drive , 2 pt fails. 22-9. Clutch drive all the way. Got to wonder why they cant do it just a bit more often

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Time-consuming Lehigh drive makes it 22-9 Princeton.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Not sure why you go for 2 there? Now you're chasing points.

13 points or 12 points, not much difference. 11 points, though, difference.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

13 points or 12 points, not much difference. 11 points, though, difference.

I hear you but I'd have waited until the next score to go for. Unless, Coen thought the PU D was tired....

[Engineer86]

Did the new team come out? We will see after the D gets another shot.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Ok defense!! The Tiger defense is running on fumes!! 3 and out!! C'mon!!!

[RichH2]

Nice drive. Here we go again. Keep saying we cant keep doing this every week. Its gonna get us sooner or later. BB clutch as was Hayden.

[RichH2]

Wow what aplay. 3 qb formation. DCs haven't yet figured out how to defend it

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Blocked FG!

[Engineer86]

Princeton FG hits the center in the back of the head, is there hope.

[van]

the new cardiac kids

[RichH2]

Thank God Tiger K worse than ours. We still go a shot here.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Princeton FG hits the center in the back of the head, is there hope.
Yes.

[Engineer86]

This is getting ridiculous. Don't hit the upright

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Lehigh!

[Kramer]

WOW!!!!! Colgate!

[RichH2]

Son of a gun. This is not the same team as in 1st at least on O

[Engineer86]

TD LU will D hold for 2:45?

[Engineer86]

Just started pouring

[RichH2]

Back up again 29-28. Why cant we play even close to this in the 1st half of games.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

C'mon defense! got a bad feeling with tbis being a 1 pt game.....

[RichH2]

Nice if D holds ,think we'll need to tigers to make some mistakes tho

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

this kicker sucks!

[Engineer86]

in LU tradition this kid with monster leg chokes up at the biggest times kicks it out of bounds

[Engineer86]

3rd and 10

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

LU pick! woohooo!

[Engineer86]

LU int. Rabbit's a$$ win again!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

LU int. Rabbit's a$$ win again!

Not over!

[Engineer86]

Now it likely is with that first down, unbelieveable

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I love to watch this team!

[Engineer86]

I do not know how they do it, they are not a good defensive team at all, and inconsistent on offense, primarily due to the play calling. They can not run the ball.

[Kramer]

This team (and organization) flat out knows how to win.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I do not know how they do it, they are not a good defensive team at all, and inconsistent on offense, primarily due to the play calling. They can not run the ball.

The defenee is not Colgate bad. It's not great but not terrible....

What frustrated me in the first half was the offense. There was zero excuse for it come out that flat. The running is ok, and if given a chance, could be very good imo.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

JUST WIN BABY

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Nice come back Lehigh. Does your team realize that the game starts in the 1st quarter though?

[RichH2]

Just a magic game. The wand showed up. These gus have icewater for blood. Dave really called a great 2nd half. D more aggressive. DL remains a huge void.

[RichH2]

Andy has to get this team to start showing up in the 1st half,my heart cant take much more of this

[hawkineer]

Nice come back Lehigh. Does your team realize that the game starts in the 1st quarter though?
With New Hampshire coming to Goodman next week, they sure as heck better. Their inconsistency offensively the past two years is absolutely baffling. For stretches, they're unstoppable. I do think that play calling has something to do with. When they get behind, they open up the offense because they have to. From here on out, let's open up the offense because we want to.

[RichH2]

Hawkineer hit the nail on the head. Call same Offense for the whole game

[LehighU11]

Although some of us have doubted Bialkowski's ability as a QB, he just broke the school record for completions in a game with 42 (previous Todd Brunner 38 vs Colgate in '89) and put up the 6th most passing yards in a game. Doesn't have the arm strength of Colvin or Lum, nor the pinpoint precision that Lum had, but man does he get the job done.

[van]

Although some of us have doubted Bialkowski's ability as a QB, he just broke the school record for completions in a game with 42 (previous Todd Brunner 38 vs Colgate in '89) and put up the 6th most passing yards in a game. Doesn't have the arm strength of Colvin or Lum, nor the pinpoint precision that Lum had, but man does he get the job done.

Seems to me his biggest strength is decision making, he seems to be finding the right guy for each coverage.

[Fordham]

Wow! Congrats Lehigh!!!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Does anyone have Kurfis's stats for the season?

[Go...gate]

Attended the game. Happy for Lehigh, but Princeton just disappeared in the second half. The kind of game that will cost Bob Surace his job when Gary Walters departs as Princeton AD after this year.

[RichH2]

BB had some overthrows and there was one drop that I recall. Compare this with last year ,multiple drops and bad passes. O ,other than odd play calling and lack of intensity in 1st half, is solid. D made some nice plays, got some TOs and made crucial stops in 2nd half. DL is ineffective vs inside run. Makeshift LB crew did OK as did 2ndary. Nice to see Jamil on the field. Inexperience a real problem on D but DCs are not calling a good game. Did not get aggressive til mid way thru 3rd. Both are excellent positon coaches not a good team as DC.

[LehighU11]

Does anyone have Kurfis's stats for the season?

30 receptions, 585 yards in 3 games.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

30 receptions, 585 yards in 3 games.

Thanks! I'm at the mercy of my cell for the rest of the night....

[Southsider]

With New Hampshire coming to Goodman next week, they sure as heck better. Their inconsistency offensively the past two years is absolutely baffling. For stretches, they're unstoppable. I do think that play calling has something to do with. When they get behind, they open up the offense because they have to. From here on out, let's open up the offense because we want to.

Couldn't agree more. It seems we ran the same four plays the entire first half. Additionally, I've been saying for years, when you run sideways nothing good happens. In the 2nd half we ran straight ahead with great results. And defensively, Princeton ran the same "O" they have run for years. I knew what was coming, but we could not stop it.............until when it counted. Some guys grew up tonight. Keep it going!!

[RichH2]

Lee is at 32 for 605

[Bogus Megapardus]

Congrats to the Engineers for toughing one out once again. Excellent coaching and inspired play by the offense up to the end.

[LehighU11]

Thanks! I'm at the mercy of my cell for the rest of the night....

Sure thing. FWIW, Spadola recorded school records of 96 receptions and 1614 yards in 2011 through 12 games. With some pretty weak looking PL defenses, Kurfis should have a shot at one or both of these.

[Bogus Megapardus]

In homage to the Engineer's very impressive third straight come-from-behind win, I pledge not to participate in and/or hijack Lehigh threads until after the Pards' bye week. ;)

[URMite]

OK I am ready for this magic were this terrible team stays in the locker room and the other guys come out after the half
N/t

[LehighU11]

TU Owl if you are seeing this, you are getting you answer. LUs AWFUL. If they win this you know someone has a magic a$$ on south mountain that feeds wins.

Perhaps Catherine Bach is living on campus...
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[ngineer]

Just got back from Princeton. A raucous bus ride of boosters. I think the team was flat in the first half, and maybe the weeks' distractions had something to do with it. There were some false starts and BB forgot about the play clock. Princeton came out smoking and appeared to punch themselves out. Went for the jugular early in the 3rd Q on fourth down around LU 20 and went for the first down rather than FG. Of course, maybe what we saw of the kicker had something to do with that, although in pregame the Tiger K was hitting from beyond 35.
Lack of pass rush and soft corner play in the first half troubling. Princeton was quicker than we were on both sides of the ball...until midway through the 3rd Q. Not scoring was a huge momentum shift when at our 20. From then on the D stepped up, except for blown bomb

This team showed a lot tonight. There is a lot of talent...and a lot of inexperience. However, considering that, it is tremendous to see how they hung in there despite being down 22-3 in the third Q. A very rough week behind them, and now they get to focus on UNH, who had a bye, and therefore, a great opportunity to see what we do. I think Princeton having two weeks of film of us and we having none on them may have contributed to the slow offensive start. I also know Coach Chick doesn't like to show a lot if he doesn't have to in the early going. Next week, we will have to play the first quarter as if we're behind by two TDs in the fourth to have a shot.

Pandy will grow. a tough nite with the missed FG and KO out of bounds that could have been a factor. Yet, his several touchbacks were crucial in keeping the Princeton O starting deep. We have to keep in mind he's only a freshman, learning to kick of the grass/turf rather than the block and the 'bright lights' may have effected him. He may be 'practicing' too much. I lost count of the number of times he was kicking into the net on the sideline during the game. The strength of his leg, though, means we really need him to get his head straightened out, because he can be such a weapon.


Glad I saw this in person. Lehigh has just as many on in the stands as Princeton, plus The Marching 97, and that had to give the players a lift to see that support. Nice moment of silence for the recent passing of Hall of Fame great and Heisman trophy winner Dick Kazmmaier. The number '42' was on the Princeton helmets, on the field and flag above the stadium

[HensRock]

I was flipping through the channels with my son. We saw that Princeton was up 22-3 on Lehigh. This is the honest truth.
At that time I said to him, "Watch. Lehigh will come back to win by 1 and their fans will be on the message boards saying they should be ranked because they overcame such adversity, blah blah blah." I swear I said those exact words at 22-3. Priceless!

[Kramer]

I was flipping through the channels with my son. We saw that Princeton was up 22-3 on Lehigh. This is the honest truth.
At that time I said to him, "Watch. Lehigh will come back to win by 1 and their fans will be on the message boards saying they should be ranked because they overcame such adversity, blah blah blah." I swear I said those exact words at 22-3. Priceless!

all true, except not one Lehigh fan is saying we should be ranked.

[JimLU]

Ditto to Kramer. The polls are ridiculous. Most vote strictly on reputation, at least this early in the season, and later, strictly on win-loss record. In most cases they have very little accurate sense of relative strength nationally. Fordham NOT being ranked is a good example. Lehigh is not one of the best 25 FCS teams in the country, but we're a scrappy mix of experience and inexperience that knows how to win. Reality sets in soon though, with New Hampshire and Fordham coming up.

[Fordham]

Pretty amazing. When it happens this many times it's not an accident IMO.

[van]

In homage to the Engineer's very impressive third straight come-from-behind win, I pledge not to participate in and/or hijack Lehigh threads until after the Pards' bye week. ;)

wow!!!!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Could we stop with the Stockholm Syndrome? Please? Lehigh of course deserves to be ranked in the Top 25. Not #1, but nobody's arguing that.

[Pards Rule]

Could we stop with the Stockholm Syndrome? Please? Lehigh of course deserves to be ranked in the Top 25. Not #1, but nobody's arguing that.

Ok, I agree - # 25 it is ordained :) And the Rams should be higher than that of course. Great win LU for the Patriot League over Princeton. We fell short against Penn but still love beating them 5 of the last 7 games :)

[Pard4Life]

Another Lehigh win that they pulled out of their a$$... that's the theme of Lehigh's season... magic a$$ wins...

FYI that was a fumble by Lehigh near the Princeton end zone... so it could have been returned for 95 yards and a 29-3 Princeton lead.

Whatever...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Ok, I agree - # 25 it is ordained :) And the Rams should be higher than that of course. Great win LU for the Patriot League over Princeton. We fell short against Penn but still love beating them 5 of the last 7 games :)

No question Fordham is ranked higher. They're 8 in my poll last week. Might be higher this week.

Fordham is in any other conference, they are a Top 5 team in the eyes of the rest of the world.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

My happy recap:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/lehigh-pulls-another-rabbit-out-of-hat.html

Think rabbits.

[Pards Rule]

My happy recap:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/lehigh-pulls-another-rabbit-out-of-hat.html

Think rabbits.

Yes, but Wildcats aren't too fond of rabbits.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yes, but Wildcats aren't too fond of rabbits.

UNH and Fordham both have byes before playing Lehigh.

I think Lehigh can hang in next week (offense) but will ultimately fall short. Fordham is the one that matters more imo.

[ngineer]

Great metaphorical use of the rabbit images. I was there, and you could really see the change in the players in the second half. Never-say-die. However, next week, it has to be a complete game from the beginning. UNH a different category.

[HensRock]

Ok, I agree - # 25 it is ordained :) And the Rams should be higher than that of course. Great win LU for the Patriot League over Princeton. We fell short against Penn but still love beating them 5 of the last 7 games :)

Then I assume you must both rank Central Connecticut State at around 23-24ish? You remember the Blue Devils who took Lehigh to overtime, in Bethlehem?

[aceinthehole]

UNH and Fordham both have byes before playing Lehigh.

I think Lehigh can hang in next week (offense) but will ultimately fall short. Fordham is the one that matters more imo.

Why? Lehigh's ticket to the playoffs is punched if they can beat HC, Colgate, and Lafayette - Fordham has no effect on the Lehigh's chance to go to the playoffs.

[aceinthehole]

Then I assume you must both rank Central Connecticut State at around 23-24ish? You remember the Blue Devils who took Lehigh to overtime, in Bethlehem?

Thanks HensRock ;) Well, you know CCSU is missed 4Q FG away from being 2-2.

Anyway ... I think the point is right on. Albany, CCSU, Lehigh, HC, Monmouth, URI are all about equal - they are all pretty crappy teams right now! The only difference between them all is Lehigh is 3-0, while the others are 1-win teams.

[Engineer86]

Thanks HensRock ;) Well, you know CCSU is missed 4Q FG away from being 2-2.

Anyway ... I think the point is right on. Albany, CCSU, Lehigh, HC, Monmouth, URI are all about equal - they are all pretty crappy teams right now! The only difference between them all is Lehigh is 3-0, while the others are 1-win teams.

Fixed it for you. And last I checked winning did matter.

[aceinthehole]

Fixed it for you. And last I checked winning did matter.

True. Lehigh is clearly the best of a group of bad teams. I just don't see how that resume is top-25 worthy.

[Engineer86]

True. Lehigh is clearly the best of a group of bad teams. I just don't see how that resume is top-25 worthy.

Some may argue with you, but until until we put together a full game or win in the next two weeks, I will not.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Why? Lehigh's ticket to the playoffs is punched if they can beat HC, Colgate, and Lafayette - Fordham has no effect on the Lehigh's chance to go to the playoffs.

Between UNH and Fordham, beating the Rams means more imo. It's a league game, it's a team that you've owned, in front of a likely sellout crowd etc...

With that said, UNH has pretty much owned LU so getting over that hump would be nice.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

True. Lehigh is clearly the best of a group of bad teams. I just don't see how that resume is top-25 worthy.

Look at the fringe Top 25 resumes. Lehigh isn't exactly competing with stiff competition for a seat at the table.

Princeton is, imo, a Top 40 team. Last night will prove to be a solid, respectable win.

[RichH2]

UNH D is not that good ,O is quite good. Lots of points but a very tall mountain for LU. A complete game and it will be close. Half a game a thumping. Fordham will be a battle as their D not dominant but unless our D can slow down Koonce FU will win

[RichH2]

Agree owl,Prnceton lost their edge in 2nd half and LU coaches did a superb job adapting,Princeton did not. If Tigers can maintain focus they will be a challenger for IL crown

[aceinthehole]

Look at the fringe Top 25 resumes. Lehigh isn't exactly competing with stiff competition for a seat at the table.

Princeton is, imo, a Top 40 team. Last night will prove to be a solid, respectable win.

Agreed with your first point - the teams vying for spots 20-25 aren't great.

But why do you think Princeton will be a "solid, respectable win"? What distinguishes them from CCSU and Monmouth?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Agreed with your first point - the teams vying for spots 20-25 aren't great.

But why do you think Princeton will be a "solid, respectable win"? What distinguishes them from CCSU and Monmouth?

CCSU could actually be a decent win too.

I think there's been a general consensus that Princeton should be able to build off their 5-5 record last year. I'd consider a win over a 6-4/7-3 Tiger team as "solid".

[RichH2]

ace
You are right. Both teams have outstanding players. MU beat the h3ll out of us physically. NEC moniker is the label unfairly dragging down teams ' reps. Front line players can compete well with anyone. Lack of depth eventually gets both teams.

[aceinthehole]

ace
You are right. Both teams have outstanding players. MU beat the h3ll out of us physically. NEC moniker is the label unfairly dragging down teams ' reps. Front line players can compete well with anyone. Lack of depth eventually gets both teams.

Thanks, I've been saying that for years.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

ace
You are right. Both teams have outstanding players. MU beat the h3ll out of us physically. NEC moniker is the label unfairly dragging down teams ' reps. Front line players can compete well with anyone. Lack of depth eventually gets both teams.

The NEC still needs to have more success against the power conferences. That's something the PL has been able to do over the last 15 years. Perhaps not as much as many would like though....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Agreed with your first point - the teams vying for spots 20-25 aren't great.

But why do you think Princeton will be a "solid, respectable win"? What distinguishes them from CCSU and Monmouth?

Guess you didn't watch the game.

[aceinthehole]

Guess you didn't watch the game.

Actually, I did watch part of it. Guess you didn't understand my question. What distinguishes Princeton as a "quality win" compared to CCSU or Monmouth?

CCSU scored 37 points in 4 quarters against Lehigh -- Princeton put up 28.
CCSU rushed for 258 yards against Lehigh - Princeton rushed for 191.
CCSU gave up 20 2nd half points to Lehigh - Princeton gave up 26 in the 2nd half.

Objectively, what makes Princeton a "quality win"? And how does Lehigh justify a top-25 ranking with a 3-0 record against opponents with a combined 2-7 record? Are all 3 wins "equal" and how do they compare to wins by other FCS teams?

[citdog]

Actually, I did watch part of it. Guess you didn't understand my question. What distinguishes Princeton as a "quality win" compared to CCSU or Monmouth?

CCSU scored 37 points in 4 quarters against Lehigh -- Princeton put up 28.
CCSU rushed for 258 yards against Lehigh - Princeton rushed for 191.
CCSU gave up 20 2nd half points to Lehigh - Princeton gave up 26 in the 2nd half.

Objectively, what makes Princeton a "quality win"? And how does Lehigh justify a top-25 ranking with a 3-0 record against opponents with a combined 2-7 record? Are all 3 wins "equal" and how do they compare to wins by other FCS teams?

le high live in an alternate universe. they think princeton is a quality win because they WANT to think they have a quality win.xdizzyx

[Engineer86]

le high live in an alternate universe. they think princeton is a quality win because they WANT to think they have a quality win.xdizzyx

kind of like all the claims of "quality" wins coming out of the SoCon over teams that have not yet proven themselves worthy of the claim yet. Hey puppy, what is the difference between a 1 point win and a 1 point loss?

[Lehigh'98]

We will find out exactly what kind of team we have after the next 2 weeks.

[Lehigh'98]

kind of like all the claims of "quality" wins coming out of the SoCon over teams that have not yet proven themselves worthy of the claim yet. Hey puppy, what is the difference between a 1 point win and a 1 point loss?

Are Primceton, Monmouth and CCSU any worse than Chuck South?

[citdog]

Are Primceton, Monmouth and CCSU any worse than Chuck South?

yes. Charleston Southern will probably crack the AGS Top 25 this week. The Bucs would whip le high.

[Kramer]

yes. Charleston Southern will probably crack the AGS Top 25 this week. The Bucs would whip le high.

Whatever.

[citdog]

kind of like all the claims of "quality" wins coming out of the SoCon over teams that have not yet proven themselves worthy of the claim yet. Hey puppy, what is the difference between a 1 point win and a 1 point loss?

the difference, as the video shows, is about 3 inches.


http://www.wavy.com/sports/odu-football/odu-beats-the-citadel-in-59-58-shootout-

[citdog]

Whatever.

big south>patsy league

[Engineer86]

yes. Charleston Southern will probably crack the AGS Top 25 this week. The Bucs would whip le high.

Based on what???. Beating your school, beating a terrible Campbell, beating a D2 Shorter, beating a terrible Norfolk St. Combined they have ONE FCS win. Your a really reaching there in your prejudice.

[citdog]

Based on what???. Beating your school, beating a terrible Campbell, beating a D2 Shorter, beating a terrible Norfolk St. Combined they have ONE FCS win. Your a really reaching there in your prejudice.

they are 4-0 and have a QUALITY win.......more than y'all can say.

[Kramer]

they are 4-0 and have a QUALITY win.......more than y'all can say.

whatever. Y'all.

[citdog]

whatever. Y'all.

I expect more from a 57, 115 dollar a year education.

http://rlv.zcache.com/the_sauce_is_weak_magnet-r4205712a4aa04d0599516f902da54cf7_x7j3u_8byvr_324. jpg

[Kramer]

I expect more from a 57, 115 dollar a year education.

http://rlv.zcache.com/the_sauce_is_weak_magnet-r4205712a4aa04d0599516f902da54cf7_x7j3u_8byvr_324. jpg

And I would expect someone associated with a fine institution like the Citadel to act more like an officer and a gentleman.

[citdog]

And I would expect someone associated with a fine institution like the Citadel to act more like an officer and a gentleman.

have we met? you seem to know me well!

[aceinthehole]

Nice try Citdog, but Chuck South is no better than CCSU this year or any other year for that matter.

[citdog]

Nice try Citdog, but Chuck South is no better than CCSU this year or any other year for that matter.

Well I have seen you both and that's my opinion. CCSU is a pretty decent team this season but NOT as good as le high made you appear to be. CSU now has a good coach and they are MUCH improved from just a year ago.

[RichH2]

Ah the citdog PL troll rolls on. Rather silly to argue with him as his animus to PL unlikely to change.

[citdog]

Ah the citdog PL troll rolls on. Rather silly to argue with him as his animus to PL unlikely to change.


it isn't trolling if it's TRUE!

[Engineer86]

they are 4-0 and have a QUALITY win.......more than y'all can say.

Quality win???? Where is it? Over a team whose single win is over Western Carolina????? PAA Lease where was this humor when I was running around Asia.

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[citdog]

Quality win???? Where is it? Over a team whose single win is over Western Carolina????? PAA Lease where was this humor when I was running around Asia.

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CSU has a win over a team that went to Old Dominion, who was an FCS Playoff team last season, and played them to a standstill before falling on the last play of the game.

western carolina > princeton

[Engineer86]

CSU has a win over a team that went to Old Dominion, who was an FCS Playoff team last season, and played them to a standstill before falling on the last play of the game.

western carolina > princeton

Prior year's playoffs are history. And you continue to take pride in your losses. ... You Sir must be a man of honor. Lose with Valor, kind a like some team from 148 years ago.

if you want to come back with anything meaningful, you know like a real win, please do!

[Go...gate]

Look at the fringe Top 25 resumes. Lehigh isn't exactly competing with stiff competition for a seat at the table.

Princeton is, imo, a Top 40 team. Last night will prove to be a solid, respectable win.

From your lips to God's ears.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Seriously, is there any better player in the entire SoCon, Patriot League, or Big South as Princeton DE Caraun Reid?

Nobody's debating that the Big South is ascendant, though as others mention, throwing Chuck South up there is really a stretch at best. Coastal, Webb and Liberty are all top teams. Almost as good as Fordham xlolx

[CHIP72]

I only saw the last few minutes of the game via the NBC Sports Network app on the iPhone while riding back from the Penn State game. (I won free tickets to the Penn State/Kent State game in State College; I've taken a couple of classes on-line at PSU this year and won a drawing with their World Campus for All University Day. This allowed me the pleasure of sitting in the rain for 3+ hours, but I digress...) The Mountain Hawks had a nice drive for the winning touchdown. They need to stop playing so many close games against decent but not great competition though. Hopefully Princeton will show they are a good team (except when playing Penn) and make Lehigh's win look more impressive.

[ngineer]

Huge momentum shift occurred when Princeton went for the jugular and missed, eschewing the field goal that would have put them up 25-3 midway through the third quarter. When LU came down the field to make it 22-9, you could see the air leave the Princeton bench. Princeton coaches know LU offense was capable of exploding, so can't knock the decision to try and go up 29-3.