AGS Poll Results - Week 8

[AGSPoll]

1 Eastern Washington Eagles 2357 62
2 North Dakota State Bison 2268 15
3 Georgia Southern Eagles 2253 12
4 Cal Poly Mustangs 2114 9
5 Wofford Terriers 1908
6 Montana State Bobcats 1821
7 Stony Brook Seawolves 1781
8 Old Dominion Monarchs 1699
9 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1695
10 James Madison Dukes 1558
11 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 1402
12 New Hampshire Wildcats 1390
13 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1382
14 Central Arkansas Bears 974
15 Albany Great Danes 951
16 Indiana State Sycamores 941
17 Appalachian State Mountaineers 894
18 Villanova Wildcats 824
19 Illinois State Redbirds 708
20 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 483
21 Richmond Spiders 463
22 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 393
23 Southern Illinois Salukis 336
24 Youngstown State Penguins 288
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 179

Most Significant Win:
Richmond Spiders

Most Significant Loss:
James Madison Dukes

26 Towson Tigers 166
27 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 159
28 Tennessee State Tigers 148
29 The Citadel Bulldogs 79
30 Harvard Crimson 49
31 Northern Iowa Panthers 37
32 Chattanooga Mocs 31
33 Sacramento State Hornets 24
34T Jacksonville State Gamecocks 16
34T Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 16
36T Drake Bulldogs 14
36T Princeton Tigers 14
38 Lafayette Leopards 13
39 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 9
40 Colgate Raiders 7

[BEAR]

Movin' on up to the top 10! The playoff commitee is going to have he11 trying to figure out who to put in if SFA wins out and Sam and UCA do too. Nice! Glad the voters see the potential in UCA! Thanks! xbowx

[Go Apps]

WHY does Georgia State have votes?????

[Go Apps]

Movin' on up to the top 10! The playoff commitee is going to have he11 trying to figure out who to put in if SFA wins out and Sam and UCA do too. Nice! Glad the voters see the potential in UCA! Thanks! xbowx

Any FCS loss by Sam H from here out puts them out of the playoffs...a tightrope act for sure

[eaglewraith]

#2 vote for us being applied to Georgia State.

[fatmonarch]

My guess is that somebody got them confused with the better gsu. Could have only been 1 voter.

[asumike83]

My poll:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Appalachian State Mountaineers
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[bluehenbillk]

Holy crap!! Best poll I've seen in years - not one complaint, nobody too high & nobody too low IMHO. Well done voters, well done.xbowx

[eaglewraith]

Holy crap!! Best poll I've seen in years - not one complaint, nobody too high & nobody too low IMHO. Well done voters, well done.xbowx

I don't necessarily agree with NDSU jumping us.

[bjtheflamesfan]

probably a couple accidental votes from folks who were trying to vote for Georgia Southern that got missed in QC

[bluehenbillk]

My poll:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Indiana State Sycamores
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Twentysix]

Swap UD for TSU and I have the same 25.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Mt ballot this week for honest evaluation and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (please no fanboy sounding responses):

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Towson Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Villanova Wildcats

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

What i came up with. How Ill St isnt the worst loss is beyond me...

1. EWU Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Stony Brook Seawolves
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Indiana State Sycamores
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

[Lehigh Football Nation]

What i came up with. How Ill St isnt the worst loss is beyond me...

1. EWU Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Stony Brook Seawolves
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Indiana State Sycamores
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

+1. My poll is pretty close to this one.

[tractorapp]

WHY does Georgia State have votes?????
24 villages in Georgia are missing their idiot.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I still dont get why people keep assigning biggest win and loss to the same game every week to boot

[Sammy94]

Any FCS loss by Sam H from here out puts them out of the playoffs...a tightrope act for sure

It has been like that since the loss at UCA. That tightrope got a bit thicker to walk on after this week but anything can happen. We will see.

[crusader11]

Here's how I see it...

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Cal Poly Mustangs
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Indiana State Sycamores
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Was so tempted to put Princeton in the top 25, but just couldn't do it.

Think that pollsters need to be looking at Chattanooga, after three straight wins (two very convincing) against The Citadel, Furman, and Samford.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Appalachian State Mountaineers
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Holy crap!! Best poll I've seen in years - not one complaint, nobody too high & nobody too low IMHO. Well done voters, well done.xbowx

No complaints about Stony Brook?

[Professor Chaos]

Surprised to see NDSU jump GSU. If you add those 24 Georgia St votes to Georgia Southern it's a razor thin margin between #2 and #3 right now.

[Dane96]

Mt ballot this week for honest evaluation and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (please no fanboy sounding responses):

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Towson Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Villanova Wildcats

I am going to keep it easy and say: NOVA and The Citadel (why are they even in the poll) are way off. Nova should be ranked much higher. That is a glaring issue

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Southern Illinois Salukis
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Harvard Crimson
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Youngstown State Penguins

I meant to vote Albany in as well, but just before I submitted I noticed I'd voted for JMU twice, and in the subsequent reshuffling somehow the Danes got dropped, sorry UA folk. Other than that I'm happy with this one, fairly close to the official one as well.

[BEAR]

It has been like that since the loss at UCA. That tightrope got a bit thicker to walk on after this week but anything can happen. We will see.

No doubt. But if the commitee only chooses two from the SLC..will that loss hurt more than just the game. Yikes. Best to cheer for the cowboys this week. xlolx

[bjtheflamesfan]

Here's how I see it...

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Cal Poly Mustangs
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Indiana State Sycamores
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Was so tempted to put Princeton in the top 25, but just couldn't do it.

Think that pollsters need to be looking at Chattanooga, after three straight wins (two very convincing) against The Citadel, Furman, and Samford.

The Citadel has really fallen off after their hot start so that win isnt as good as it lookied initially. They lost a big chance to gain some credibility against App but they have a huge game this weekend against GSU that could not only affect their ranking potential but could turn the at large race on its ear.

[OhioHen]

WHY does Georgia State have votes?????

To draw attention away from the votes received by Princeton and Drake? Or perhaps 2-5 Northern Iowa?

[bjtheflamesfan]

I am going to keep it easy and say: NOVA and The Citadel (why are they even in the poll) are way off. Nova should be ranked much higher. That is a glaring issue

The big thing with Nova is I cant rank them higher than UR (since the spiders beat them) so at most they would have ended up 20.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I still dont get why people keep assigning biggest win and loss to the same game every week to boot

I try not to unless it causes a significant drop/climb for the individual teams.

My poll is pretty close to this. I would post it but it just gets people all pissy about the bottom 10 for some reason.

[WrenFGun]

Very, very good poll, IMO.

Sacramento State should be ranked at this point, whether it's over Delaware, SD State or otherwise. That's my primary disagreement.

Lehigh is too high; I'd likely straight swap Indiana State and Lehigh in the poll. Indiana State has the best FCS win of the season along with a second top 25 win @ Southern Illinois. That's TWO top 25 road wins.

[WrenFGun]

The big thing with Nova is I cant rank them higher than UR (since the spiders beat them) so at most they would have ended up 20.

Why is JMU above the Spiders, then?

[fatmonarch]

I'm not understanding the unh over odu thing. We have a better record and we beat them head to head.

[Twentysix]

The big thing with Nova is I cant rank them higher than UR (since the spiders beat them) so at most they would have ended up 20.

The spiders also beat JMU. lol

[WrenFGun]

I'm not understanding the unh over odu thing. We have a better record and we beat them head to head.

Are you referring to the main poll? ODU is 4 spots ahead of UNH, probably right where they should be. I'd say the teams are basically even, since ODU was at home and it was a 3 point game. Played at UNH, the result is probably reversed and the defenses might have been a little better since it wouldn't have been 100 degrees on the field.

[Dane96]

The big thing with Nova is I cant rank them higher than UR (since the spiders beat them) so at most they would have ended up 20.

Wait...you can't rank them higher because Richmond beat them?

Oh boy.

Richmond W- Gardner Webb (Home); VMI (Away); Georgia State (Away); Villanova (home); James Madison (Home)
Richmond L- Virginia (Away); New Hampshire (Away); ODU (Home)

Villanova W- Fordham (Home); URI (Home); Penn (Away); Maine (Away); ODU (Away); Georgia State (Away)
Villanova L- Temple (Away); Richmond (Home)

I think the schedules are arguable...but...Nova's away games have me leaning to ranking them higher than the 25 spot you have them in.

[fatmonarch]

Are you referring to the main poll? ODU is 4 spots ahead of UNH, probably right where they should be. I'd say the teams are basically even, since ODU was at home and it was a 3 point game. Played at UNH, the result is probably reversed and the defenses might have been a little better since it wouldn't have been 100 degrees on the field.

I'm replying to individual polls. I think the teams should be back to back.

[melloware13]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Indiana State Sycamores
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Albany Great Danes
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Appalachian State Mountaineers
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[bjtheflamesfan]

Why is JMU above the Spiders, then?


JMU had a higher floor than Richmond had a ceiling really. The loss to what has been a very mediocre UVa squad put them behind the 8 ball to start, and then the wins over VMI, G-W and GSU, though wins, didnt really tell me much about them as far as moving up into the rankings. Good to see them get a big win after losing their last two shots at a top 25 team from the conference in ODU and UNH.

[WrenFGun]

JMU had a higher floor than Richmond had a ceiling really. The loss to what has been a very mediocre UVa squad put them behind the 8 ball to start, and then the wins over VMI, G-W and GSU, though wins, didnt really tell me much about them as far as moving up into the rankings. Good to see them get a big win after losing their last two shots at a top 25 team from the conference in ODU and UNH.

They have two top 25 wins right now. How many teams above them have that?

[UNDBIZ]

Mt ballot this week for honest evaluation and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (please no fanboy sounding responses):

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Towson Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Villanova Wildcats

Where's Montana St?

[Sammy94]

Yikes. Best to cheer for the cowboys this week.

Or SELA. I'll be cheering for both.

[UNDBIZ]

Very, very good poll, IMO.

Sacramento State should be ranked at this point, whether it's over Delaware, SD State or otherwise. That's my primary disagreement.

Once they beat somebody decent they'll probably move up. The lopsided loss at home to North Dakota (not North Dakota State) makes people keep them off the ballots. Sac St's only wins this year are over the bottom of the Big Sky and a bad Colorado team (although still FBS).

[MSUBobcat]

Where's Montana St?

After getting crushed by BYE at home Saturday, they completely dropped out of the poll. xlolx

[UNDBIZ]

After getting crushed by BYE at home Saturday, they completely dropped out of the poll. xlolx

I've heard BYE is undefeated this year.....

[bjtheflamesfan]

Where's Montana St?

Oversight on my part. Im surprised that agspoll didnt notify me about it during QC when my ballot came in last night

[MSUBobcat]

I've heard BYE is undefeated this year.....

BYE is extremely talented. Won't be surprised if they start getting #1 votes...

[NoDak 4 Ever]

BYE is extremely talented. Won't be surprised if they start getting #1 votes...

They tend not to have a problem with omissions, merely weird additions. I added Campbell instead of Cal Poly earlier and they flagged it.

[CopperCat]

Mt ballot this week for honest evaluation and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (please no fanboy sounding responses):

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Towson Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Villanova Wildcats

Did you mean to leave Montana State out?

[MSUBobcat]

Did you mean to leave Montana State out?


Oversight on my part. Im surprised that agspoll didnt notify me about it during QC when my ballot came in last night

BJ posted this 5 minutes before yours.

[BEAR]

Bye U is located in Louisiana. xlolx

[Twentysix]

Bye U is located in Louisiana. xlolx

Weird, their is one in Utah also.

They went the trendy route and dropped the 'e'. They also would trounce nearly every FCS team most years. (For the idgits: BYU)

[WileECoyote06]

This might be the worst poll I've seen from AGS voters in the three years I've been voting. I have no problem with ranking Southern Illinois based on their recent streak, but how does E. Illinois not even get a vote? How does Georgia State get more votes than Bethune-Cookman? Things aren't supposed to be transitive, but SCSU beat Ga. State's *** in Atlanta. BCU beat SCSU pretty convincingly in Orangeburg. oh well. . .things will eventually work themselves out.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

This might be the worst poll I've seen from AGS voters in the three years I've been voting. I have no problem with ranking Southern Illinois based on their recent streak, but how does E. Illinois not even get a vote? How does Georgia State get more votes than Bethune-Cookman? Things aren't supposed to be transitive, but SCSU beat Ga. State's *** in Atlanta. BCU beat SCSU pretty convincingly in Orangeburg. oh well. . .things will eventually work themselves out.

Go ahead, put it up.

[bjtheflamesfan]

This might be the worst poll I've seen from AGS voters in the three years I've been voting. I have no problem with ranking Southern Illinois based on their recent streak, but how does E. Illinois not even get a vote? How does Georgia State get more votes than Bethune-Cookman? Things aren't supposed to be transitive, but SCSU beat Ga. State's *** in Atlanta. BCU beat SCSU pretty convincingly in Orangeburg. oh well. . .things will eventually work themselves out.

If you dont like it, put up your ballot. Also, Im sure Georgia State was an oversight on the part of one or two voters (which is bound to happen)

Put up or shut up Wile E.

[MTfan4life]

This might be the worst poll I've seen from AGS voters in the three years I've been voting. I have no problem with ranking Southern Illinois based on their recent streak, but how does E. Illinois not even get a vote? How does Georgia State get more votes than Bethune-Cookman? Things aren't supposed to be transitive, but SCSU beat Ga. State's *** in Atlanta. BCU beat SCSU pretty convincingly in Orangeburg. oh well. . .things will eventually work themselves out.

Dude, GaState's inclusion was clearly someone accidentally placing them in the number two slot instead of Georgia Southern and the flaggers just missed it. Both teams have Georgia S in their name so it's understandable it could be missed on any quick glance.

[WileECoyote06]

True, but like someone said earlier, it's hard to believe that the committee didn't catch it. I served on committee last year and know how hard this can be; but it's baffling.

Oh and I don't mind. . .I can justify all of my rankings; doesn't mean you're going to agree with it. Just like I don't agree with some of this poll.


1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Wofford Terriers
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: The Citadel Bulldogs
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

[ursus arctos horribilis]

#2 vote for us being applied to Georgia State.

I'm gonna go check this cuz it certainly seems likely.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

True, but like someone said earlier, it's hard to believe that the committee didn't catch it. I served on committee last year and know how hard this can be; but it's baffling.

Oh and I don't mind. . .I can justify all of my rankings; doesn't mean you're going to agree with it. Just like I don't agree with some of this poll.

so just because you put EIU in at 25, that makes is superior to the other poll? In my opinion, you have Cal Poly and NAU too low, the Citadel too high and Youngstown over ISUb is just silly, one is on the way out and the other is on the way up.

[UNDBIZ]

True, but like someone said earlier, it's hard to believe that the committee didn't catch it. I served on committee last year and know how hard this can be; but it's baffling.

Oh and I don't mind. . .I can justify all of my rankings; doesn't mean you're going to agree with it. Just like I don't agree with some of this poll.

The Citadel over Northern Arizona (among others)....... interesting.

[WileECoyote06]

so just because you put EIU in at 25, that makes is superior to the other poll? In my opinion, you have Cal Poly and NAU too low, the Citadel too high and Youngstown over ISUb is just silly, one is on the way out and the other is on the way up.

Nope, I was specifically referring to the Georgia State, Eastern Illinois situation. . the only reason Cal Poly and NAU are as low as they are in my poll is because they started from outside the poll. They both have FBS wins, but neither has gotten the additional signature wins vs FCS teams required to break my perception of the teams who won in last years playoffs or had a signature win. If they keep it up, they'll get there.

Youngstown was in my top ten three weeks ago. Indiana State didn't enter my poll until last week. Illinois State was hanging onto my top ten last week. The loss was horrible, but they still have a win over Eastern Illinois and Youngstown State. The Citadel is the lone outlier in my poll, but I continue to be impressed by their wins over App and Ga. Southern. They were once in my top ten as well. If they lose to Wofford, their out, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt; especially considering that they are now ahead of App in the SoCon standings.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

True, but like someone said earlier, it's hard to believe that the committee didn't catch it. I served on committee last year and know how hard this can be; but it's baffling.

Oh and I don't mind. . .I can justify all of my rankings; doesn't mean you're going to agree with it. Just like I don't agree with some of this poll.

It's baffling? Really? Bull****. It was one ballot and the dude that submitted that ballot did not PROPERLY put his email in and that creates a problem in that it does not get to agspoll or the person submitting the vote until I find it on the sheet.

I'm looking at a sheet and see it, then have to fix it and send it out and it got missed in the flurry that is a Monday morning madhouse with the poll.

The only reason it's baffling (which means you think it should be easy to catch) is because YOU nave never tried to keep the 100+ votes, emails, usernames, and every other little thing running on the end where the calculations, resubmissions, and errors are corrected.

If you had you would take exception to someone that had not even attempted to do this saying that this **** is "baffling".

Baffling my ***.

BTW, in case it wasn't clear to anyone else there was one guy that put GA State in at #2.

Wiley if you'd like to try this once I'll be sure to let ya so have the experience and are no longer baffled by how by one could slip by once in a while. Let me know. You sure as hell ain't gonna enjoy it on Monday mornings I can assure you of that.xthumbsupx

[Cocky]

Why is EIU not getting any votes but SIU is ranked #23?

EIU has 3 losses to #19 ISU and #27 UTM
FBS loss to W Michigan
Record of these teams 15-9 just FCS losses 12-4
Record of teams defeated 12-17

SIU has 3 losses to #16 Indy St and unranked EIU by 21
FBS loss to Miami Ohio
Of these teams 13-13 just FCS losses 10-9
Record of teams defeated 16-21

Both FBS teams have 2 wins against low low level FBS and 1 FCS win.

Both teams record are comparable but EIU beat SIU and gets zero votes.

[WileECoyote06]

It's baffling? Really? Bull****. It was one ballot and the dude that submitted that ballot did not PROPERLY put his email in and that creates a problem in that it does not get to agspoll or the person submitting the vote until I find it on the sheet.

I'm looking at a sheet and see it, then have to fix it and send it out and it got missed in the flurry that is a Monday morning madhouse with the poll.

The only reason it's baffling (which means you think it should be easy to catch) is because YOU nave never tried to keep the 100+ votes, emails, usernames, and every other little thing running on the end where the calculations, resubmissions, and errors are corrected.

If you had you would take exception to someone that had not even attempted to do this saying that this **** is "baffling".

Baffling my ***.

BTW, in case it wasn't clear to anyone else there was one guy that put GA State in at #2.

Wiley if you'd like to try this once I'll be sure to let ya so have the experience and are no longer baffled by how by one could slip by once in a while. Let me know. You sure as hell ain't gonna enjoy it on Monday mornings I can assure you of that.xthumbsupx

Thanks for the explanation. And I served on the poll committee last year. I wouldn't mind doing it again; and have in the past defended the work of the committee. But we usually caught stuff like that.

[WileECoyote06]

Why is EIU not getting any votes but SIU is ranked #23?

EIU has 3 losses to #19 ISU and #27 UTM
FBS loss to W Michigan
Record of these teams 15-9 just FCS losses 12-4
Record of teams defeated 12-17

SIU has 3 losses to #16 Indy St and unranked EIU by 21
FBS loss to Miami Ohio
Of these teams 13-13 just FCS losses 10-9
Record of teams defeated 16-21

Both FBS teams have 2 wins against low low level FBS and 1 FCS win.

Both teams record are comparable but EIU beat SIU and gets zero votes.

*smh*. . . nope nothing to question here. xcoffeex

[UNDBIZ]

Why is EIU not getting any votes but SIU is ranked #23?

EIU has 3 losses to #19 ISU and #27 UTM
FBS loss to W Michigan
Record of these teams 15-9 just FCS losses 12-4
Record of teams defeated 12-17

SIU has 3 losses to #16 Indy St and unranked EIU by 21
FBS loss to Miami Ohio
Of these teams 13-13 just FCS losses 10-9
Record of teams defeated 16-21

Both FBS teams have 2 wins against low low level FBS and 1 FCS win.

Both teams record are comparable but EIU beat SIU and gets zero votes.

SIU beat Youngstown and UNI when it was still fashionable..... that's all I got xdontknowx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Thanks for the explanation. And I served on the poll committee last year. I wouldn't mind doing it again; and have in the past defended the work of the committee. But we usually caught stuff like that.

Dude, I know what you did, I was part of it and running it at the time. Being on the poll committee and voting on ballots is a whole different world than vetting and running the sheet. Trust me, I do both jobs and one is tougher than the other.

[BisonBacker]

Very, very good poll, IMO.

Sacramento State should be ranked at this point, whether it's over Delaware, SD State or otherwise. That's my primary disagreement.

Lehigh is too high; I'd likely straight swap Indiana State and Lehigh in the poll. Indiana State has the best FCS win of the season along with a second top 25 win @ Southern Illinois. That's TWO top 25 road wins.

Problem is if you look at the win against NDSU their offense scored 3 points. I have them ranked but I'm not sold on their offense as of yet. They didn't win that game against NDSU so much as NDSU lost or beat themselves. Don't get me wrong they won period and yes that is what matters but it does make me question their offense. They keep playing defense and improve offensively they will be a tough team come playoff time.

[I-16Bandit]

Dont agree with NDSU jumping Georgia Southern. Since when does winning essentially hurt you (ie. not moving to #2)?

[DJKyR0]

Dont agree with NDSU jumping Georgia Southern. Since when does winning essentially hurt you (ie. not moving to #2)?

Maybe better resume? A big part of the reason NDSU didn't fall far after losing to ISUb was that they were overwhelming favorites for #1 to begin with - maybe watching them get back to form and smash USD got a lot of voters back on the bandwagon. Both have a loss, but NDSU is 2-1 vs. AGS top-25 teams vs. 1-0 for GSU. NDSU has a slightly tougher schedule according to Sagarin. NDSU has a top-5 win, which GSU does not (though Wofford was obviously a great win).

Point in case, NDSU's margin over GSU is pretty slim. If NDSU beats SIU and GSU beats 'Nooga, that margin should only increase.

[klak]

Maybe better resume? A big part of the reason NDSU didn't fall far after losing to ISUb was that they were overwhelming favorites for #1 to begin with - maybe watching them get back to form and smash USD got a lot of voters back on the bandwagon.

Speaking of resume.... I pulled this from our board and it uses the TSN poll, but the point stands.


1. Eastern Washington Eagles: Opponents are a combined 22-32

•@ FBS Idaho (1-7): W 20-3
•@ FBS Washington State (2-5): L 24-20
•@ Weber State (1-7): W 32-26
•Montana (3-5): W 32-26
•North Dakota (4-4): W 55-17
•@ #4 Montana State (6-1): W 27-24
•Sacramento State (5-3): W 31-28


2. Georgia Southern Eagles: Opponents are a combined 27-26

•Jacksonville (6-2): W 58-0
•@ The Citadel (4-3): L 23-21
•Elon (3-4): W 26-23
•Samford (5-3): W 35-16
•@ Western Carolina (1-7): W 45-13
•#7 Wofford (6-1): W 17-9
•@ Furman (2-6): W 38-17


3. North Dakota State Bison: Opponents are a combined 18-32

•Robert Morris (2-5): W 58-0
•@ FBS Colorado State (1-6): W 22-7
•Prairie View A&M (2-5): W 66-7
•@ Northern Iowa (2-5): W 33-21
•#22 Youngstown State (4-3): W 48-7
•#15 Indiana State (6-2): L 17-14
•@ (neutral) South Dakota (1-6): W 54-0


4. Montana State Bobcats: Opponents are a combined 29-24 (D2 win)

•DII Chadron State (6-2): W 33-6
•@ Drake (6-2): W 34-24
•Stephen F. Austin (3-4): W 43-35
•Northern Colorado (2-5): W 41-16
•@ Southern Utah (3-5): W 24-17
•@ UC Davis (3-5): W 48-41
•#1 Eastern Washington (6-1): L 27-24


5. Sam Houston State Bearcats: Opponents are a combined 20-29 (D2 win)

•DII Incarnate Word (2-6): W 54-7
•@ FBS Baylor (3-3): L 48-23
•@ #14 Central Arkansas (6-2): L 24-20
•@ Texas Southern (1-6): W 50-6
•Stephen F. Austin (3-4): W 51-43
•@ Nicholls State (1-5): W 41-0
•McNeese State (4-3): W 45-10

[BisonBacker]

Dont agree with NDSU jumping Georgia Southern. Since when does winning essentially hurt you (ie. not moving to #2)?

I voted them ahead of NDSU and actually have them in the top spot in my poll for what that's worth.

[coover]

Bye U is located in Louisiana. xlolx

Bye U's field is too flooded or muddy to play football. They haven't had a game there for years.

[I-16Bandit]

maybe watching them get back to form and smash USD got a lot of voters back on the bandwagon.

Because smashing a 1-win team on a neutral field says a lot more than beating a 2-win team at their place.

And just to throw this out there, our 1 loss was in the 2nd week on the road by 2. NDSU's loss was at home by 3, just the other week. Still don't see the justification for a win over South Dakota to push NDSU over GS.

[sgt smash]

Because smashing a 1-win team on a neutral field says a lot more than beating a 2-win team at their place.

And just to throw this out there, our 1 loss was in the 2nd week on the road by 2. NDSU's loss was at home by 3, just the other week. Still don't see the justification for a win over South Dakota to push NDSU over GS.


Maybe Sycamores > Bulldogs?

[sgt smash]

I was also surprised to see NDSU jump GS, but it is so close that does it really matter?

[frozennorth]

Because smashing a 1-win team on a neutral field says a lot more than beating a 2-win team at their place.

And just to throw this out there, our 1 loss was in the 2nd week on the road by 2. Yours was at home by 3, just the other week. Still don't see the justification for a win over South Dakota to push NDSU over GS.


In NDSU's one loss, the defense gave up 3 points to a top20 team, and dominated all statistical categories except interceptions returned for touchdown. xtwocentsx

[DJKyR0]

Because smashing a 1-win team on a neutral field says a lot more than beating a 2-win team at their place.

And just to throw this out there, our 1 loss was in the 2nd week on the road by 2. NDSU's loss was at home by 3, just the other week. Still don't see the justification for a win over South Dakota to push NDSU over GS.

Quite apparently enough folks saw such justification. Too bad, I guess? ¯\(°_o)/¯

[klak]

In NDSU's one loss, the defense gave up 3 points to a top20 team, and dominated all statistical categories except interceptions returned for touchdown. xtwocentsx

And in GSU's loss to The Citadel, we dominated every statistical category except fumbles lost.

[BisonFan02]

I didn't vote last week (wasn't able to) and someone put Ga State as #2 in error (24 points), there's your jump.

[BisonFan02]

I didn't vote last week (wasn't able to) and someone put Ga State as #2 in error (24 points), there's your jump.

Although, it would only be a two point swing with my ballot.

[IBleedYellow]

Because smashing a 1-win team on a neutral field says a lot more than beating a 2-win team at their place.

And just to throw this out there, our 1 loss was in the 2nd week on the road by 2. NDSU's loss was at home by 3, just the other week. Still don't see the justification for a win over South Dakota to push NDSU over GS.

Just come back up to Fargo in the playoffs, alright? ;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Although, it would only be a two point swing with my ballot.

It would not have made a difference in placement. It has been corrected so it is now where it should have been. Real close but no change in order.

[HensRock]

Wow. REALLY surprized to see UD back in the Top 25.
C'mon Dudes - it was f'ing RHODE ISLAND !!!
Plus we just found out we lost our starting QB for the rest of the year.
The Hens have to do a LOT more than beating RHODE ISLAND before they earn their way back into my ballot.
Lehigh fans, At the last minute, I discovered I had ISU-b in my poll twice so had to move everyone else up. I honestly considered SFA at #25, but just couldn't justify it.


Here's mine:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Indiana State Sycamores
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

[dbackjon]

Nope, I was specifically referring to the Georgia State, Eastern Illinois situation. . the only reason Cal Poly and NAU are as low as they are in my poll is because they started from outside the poll. They both have FBS wins, but neither has gotten the additional signature wins vs FCS teams required to break my perception of the teams who won in last years playoffs or had a signature win. If they keep it up, they'll get there.

Youngstown was in my top ten three weeks ago. Indiana State didn't enter my poll until last week. Illinois State was hanging onto my top ten last week. The loss was horrible, but they still have a win over Eastern Illinois and Youngstown State. The Citadel is the lone outlier in my poll, but I continue to be impressed by their wins over App and Ga. Southern. They were once in my top ten as well. If they lose to Wofford, their out, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt; especially considering that they are now ahead of App in the SoCon standings.

Your "logic" would look good to TSN

It is exceeding idiotic to use preseason rankings as a justification for current rankings.

If the AGSPOLL is concerned about credibility, yours is one that should be rejected as having little basis in reality.

[Fear the Bird]

Wow. REALLY surprized to see UD back in the Top 25.
C'mon Dudes - it was f'ing RHODE ISLAND !!!
Plus we just found out we lost our starting QB for the rest of the year.
The Hens have to do a LOT more than beating RHODE ISLAND before they earn their way back into my ballot.
Lehigh fans, At the last minute, I discovered I had ISU-b in my poll twice so had to move everyone else up. I honestly considered SFA at #25, but just couldn't justify it.


Here's mine:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Indiana State Sycamores
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

How do you justify that?

[HensRock]

How do you justify that?

Because on a neutral field, I think thye would beat anyone below them more often than not, and lose to anyone above them more often than not.

[BEAR]

My yearly college rule of expectations:

You're gonna win a game you didn't expect to win and lose a game you didn't expect to lose.

Sam and NDSU both lost games they didn't expect to lose. Looks like they're both back on track.

[DSUrocks07]

My ballot for this week, critiques?

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: Wofford Terriers
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Albany Great Danes
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Wow. REALLY surprized to see UD back in the Top 25.
C'mon Dudes - it was f'ing RHODE ISLAND !!!
Plus we just found out we lost our starting QB for the rest of the year.
The Hens have to do a LOT more than beating RHODE ISLAND before they earn their way back into my ballot.
Lehigh fans, At the last minute, I discovered I had ISU-b in my poll twice so had to move everyone else up. I honestly considered SFA at #25, but just couldn't justify it.


There were a lot of losses in the bottom this week so a lot of movement upward as well.

[frozennorth]

And in GSU's loss to The Citadel, we dominated every statistical category except fumbles lost.

losing a fumble doesn't count for 7 points. Your team has 13 fumbles lost on the year, and had 2 against the citadel. In the last 1.5 seasons, your team has over 30 fumbles lost. NDSU tossed three picks, 2 for td's, after tossing 4 total is the previous 20 games. In the last season and a half, that's 7 interceptions.

One of these was a statistical aberration, the other was not.

[HensRock]

My ballot for this week, critiques?

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: Wofford Terriers
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Albany Great Danes
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

No glaring issues. Good ballot.

DSU Rocks!

[WileECoyote06]

Your "logic" would look good to TSN

It is exceeding idiotic to use preseason rankings as a justification for current rankings.

If the AGSPOLL is concerned about credibility, yours is one that should be rejected as having little basis in reality.

We gotta start somewhere. BTW, my preseason rankings included Delaware, UNI, Montana, Maine, Harvard, Norfolk State, Jackson State, and Bethune Cookman. None of them appear in my current poll.

blah blah NAU, NAU, blah, blah, blah NAU, NAU. . .you are the biggest homer on this board. Your team will get their props from me as soon as they get another signature FCS win. They beat Montana to get in my poll but now Montana is 3 - 5. So now you're going to need another signature win to break into the top ten. Last years playoff winners earned the benefit of the doubt; while Cal Poly is undefeated.

If it's exceeding (ly) idiotic to use preseason rankings as a justification for current rankings then explain Montana State and James Madison.

[danefan]

I'm happy to say this.....Albany is not a Top 15 team.

Top 20 - yes. Top 15 - haven't proven it yet. Especially with YSU's last three weeks.

[darell1976]

Here is my poll:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Cal Poly Mustangs
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Tennessee State Tigers

[NoDak 4 Ever]

We gotta start somewhere. BTW, my preseason rankings included Delaware, UNI, Montana, Maine, Harvard, Norfolk State, Jackson State, and Bethune Cookman. None of them appear in my current poll.

blah blah NAU, NAU, blah, blah, blah NAU, NAU. . .you are the biggest homer on this board. Your team will get their props from me as soon as they get another signature FCS win. They beat Montana to get in my poll but now Montana is 3 - 5. So now you're going to need another signature win to break into the top ten. Last years playoff winners earned the benefit of the doubt; while Cal Poly is undefeated.

If it's exceeding (ly) idiotic to use preseason rankings as a justification for current rankings then explain Montana State and James Madison.

Where is Lehigh's signature, top 10 worthy win? I can't seem to find it. Monmouth? Princeton?

Maybe Towson last year? Or was it maybe in 1979 when they went to the National Championship?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Where is Lehigh's signature, top 10 worthy win? I can't seem to find it. Monmouth? Princeton?

Maybe Towson last year? Or was it maybe in 1979 when they went to the National Championship?

Lehigh really didn't have a signature win last year but rather a close loss to UNH. I just don't see the difference between last years slate and this years. Liberty is basically where they were last year. If they beat CCU this week they'll likely play SBU for the Big South title.

The PL in general relies on regional scholarship programs(nec, caa and big south) and traditional ivies to fill out their schedules. I have zero problem with how they conduct business. Every school has less desirable schedules every so often. This year happened to be LU's blah slate. I have no desire to watch Lehigh play FBS money games or D2 teams.

From a phone...

[Engineer86]

Mt ballot this week for honest evaluation and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (please no fanboy sounding responses):

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Albany Great Danes
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Towson Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Villanova Wildcats

I'll say it. I think Lehigh is to high at 6. They still lack consistency to beat high level teams. Otherwise, not bad.

[dbackjon]

We gotta start somewhere. BTW, my preseason rankings included Delaware, UNI, Montana, Maine, Harvard, Norfolk State, Jackson State, and Bethune Cookman. None of them appear in my current poll.

blah blah NAU, NAU, blah, blah, blah NAU, NAU. . .you are the biggest homer on this board. Your team will get their props from me as soon as they get another signature FCS win. They beat Montana to get in my poll but now Montana is 3 - 5. So now you're going to need another signature win to break into the top ten. Last years playoff winners earned the benefit of the doubt; while Cal Poly is undefeated.

If it's exceeding (ly) idiotic to use preseason rankings as a justification for current rankings then explain Montana State and James Madison.

Biggest homer? Nah, just want NAU to get recognition - no different than any number of other posters.
Why should last year's results have anything to do with this year? Teams graduate players, get new players - giving them a benefit of a doubt because they were good last year is, well, not optimal.

[MSUBobcat]

Lehigh really didn't have a signature win last year but rather a close loss to UNH. I just don't see the difference between last years slate and this years. Liberty is basically where they were last year. If they beat CCU this week they'll likely play SBU for the Big South title.

The PL in general relies on regional scholarship programs(nec, caa and big south) and traditional ivies to fill out their schedules. I have zero problem with how they conduct business. Every school has less desirable schedules every so often. This year happened to be LU's blah slate. I have no desire to watch Lehigh play FBS money games or D2 teams.

From a phone...

I sincerely hope you aren't counting on Liberty becoming your signature win, as the 3-5 Grizzlies DOMINATED Liberty (I think you were even in attendance that day). I know LU had them at their place and the Griz were at home, but that doesn't equate an 18 point difference, especially considering half the teams so far this year have (NAU and SUU) walked out of Wa-Griz with W's already this year.

[WileECoyote06]

Where is Lehigh's signature, top 10 worthy win? I can't seem to find it. Monmouth? Princeton?

Maybe Towson last year? Or was it maybe in 1979 when they went to the National Championship?

I stated that I give playoff winners from last year the benefit of the doubt. Lehigh has done nothing to make me drop them from the top ten.

[WileECoyote06]

Biggest homer? Nah, just want NAU to get recognition - no different than any number of other posters.
Why should last year's results have anything to do with this year? Teams graduate players, get new players - giving them a benefit of a doubt because they were good last year is, well, not optimal.

But it's not illogical as you said earlier. Winning playoff games, and playoff performance gets you in the poll. . . winning or losing games in the current season puts you out of or lets you move up in my rankings.

I know you're advocating for your team; but it was your choice of words. I further expanded on my position.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I sincerely hope you aren't counting on Liberty becoming your signature win, as the 3-5 Grizzlies DOMINATED Liberty (I think you were even in attendance that day). I know LU had them at their place and the Griz were at home, but that doesn't equate an 18 point difference, especially considering half the teams so far this year have (NAU and SUU) walked out of Wa-Griz with W's already this year.

As of today that win doesn't mean too much. However, should Liberty continue to emerge as SBU's main challenger it will carry more weight. Same with SFA and the Southland.

Liberty is a bit of an enigma. Got roughed up by Montana, lost to Norfolk St but almost beat Wake Forest and Lehigh.

The story hasn't been written yet. A lot will change from now until November 18th.

[GeauxLions94]

Here's mine with last week's ranking in parentheses ...

1: Eastern Washington Eagles (1)
2: North Dakota State Bison (5)
3: Georgia Southern Eagles (3)
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats (4)
5: Cal Poly Mustangs (6)
6: Montana State Bobcats (7)
7: Wofford Terriers (9)
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks (8)
9: James Madison Dukes (2)
10: Stony Brook Seawolves (11)
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (12)
12: Old Dominion Monarchs (13)
13: Central Arkansas Bears (17)
14: New Hampshire Wildcats (18)
15: Indiana State Sycamores (19)
16: Illinois State Redbirds (10)
17: Eastern Kentucky Colonels (22)
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks (23)
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (24)
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (16)
21: Appalachian State Mountaineers (20)
22: Southern Illinois Salukis (NR)
23: Villanova Wildcats (NR)
24: Youngstown State Penguins (15)
25: Albany Great Danes (NR)

Out this week: Towson (14), Tennessee State (21), Samford (25)
On the outside looking in (and in no particular order): Tennessee State, Samford, Bethune-Cookman, Richmond, Sacramento State, Jacksonville State

[MSUBobcat]

As of today that win doesn't mean too much. However, should Liberty continue to emerge as SBU's main challenger it will carry more weight. Same with SFA and the Southland.

Liberty is a bit of an enigma. Got roughed up by Montana, lost to Norfolk St but almost beat Wake Forest and Lehigh.

The story hasn't been written yet. A lot will change from now until November 18th.

If Colgate emerges as Lehigh's main challenger would that game carry more weight also? They lost to an awful USD team (granted it was early in the year), as well as Albany and Stony Brook.

Agreed that plenty will change between now and then. Just an honest question.

[dbackjon]

I stated that I give playoff winners from last year the benefit of the doubt. Lehigh has done nothing to make me drop them from the top ten.

Lehigh has done nothing to warrant being in the top 10 in the first place.

[WileECoyote06]

Lehigh has done nothing to warrant being in the top 10 in the first place.

Neither has Montana State, Sam Houston State, and to a degree Cal Poly, but yet there they are. These arguments are always circular.

[Twentysix]

Neither has Montana State, Sam Houston State, and to a degree Cal Poly, but yet there they are. These arguments are always circular.

SLO has an FBS win?

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322592751

[WileECoyote06]

SLO has an FBS win?

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322592751

I'll stand corrected on that; maybe that's why they came to mind last (ie to a degree).

[Engineer86]

Wow. REALLY surprized to see UD back in the Top 25.
C'mon Dudes - it was f'ing RHODE ISLAND !!!
Plus we just found out we lost our starting QB for the rest of the year.
The Hens have to do a LOT more than beating RHODE ISLAND before they earn their way back into my ballot.
Lehigh fans, At the last minute, I discovered I had ISU-b in my poll twice so had to move everyone else up. I honestly considered SFA at #25, but just couldn't justify it.


Here's mine:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Cal Poly Mustangs
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Indiana State Sycamores
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Towson Tigers
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Must have been really tough for you to do, I know good therapist if you need them to get over that vote. :D

I agree on th Rhode Island issue, even Lehigh might beat them. xsmiley_wix

[dbackjon]

Neither has Montana State, Sam Houston State, and to a degree Cal Poly, but yet there they are. These arguments are always circular.



Sam Houston now at least beaten McNeese. I agree on Montana State.

[Engineer86]

If Colgate emerges as Lehigh's main challenger would that game carry more weight also? They lost to an awful USD team (granted it was early in the year), as well as Albany and Stony Brook.

Agreed that plenty will change between now and then. Just an honest question.

Actually, I really do think Colgate is a much different team from those first two games. Their offense has really taken off and will score on most anyone. They still have defensive issues though. The Colgate game scares me the most.

On Lehigh, there are times when the look like a top 10 team, and other times when they look like they should be unranked. They still have yet to put together a full game. Against Bucknell for about half the third quarter, they looked awful and gave up two touchdowns leaving Bucknell a 2-point conv away from a 21-21 tie. They they scored 3 TDs and had a fourth drive stopped by a horrible back foot pass that our QB is prone to.

[RichH2]

An artist is needed promptly for a graphic to delineate all all the circular arguments herein. Anyone want to try some fancy syllogisms.xtroublex

[ursus arctos horribilis]

An artist is needed promptly for a graphic to delineate all all the circular arguments herein. Anyone want to try some fancy syllogisms.xtroublex

As soon as I look that word up I will give it a shot.

[MTfan4life]

As soon as I look most of those words up I will give it a shot.

FIFY xthumbsupx

[Seawolf97]

It has been an amazing year for us and hopefully it continues into December. Almost as good as Baseball Team in Omaha last June.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

FIFY xthumbsupx

You didn't fix **** you retromingent.

[MTfan4life]

You didn't fix **** you retromingent.

The direction I stand in the bathroom is none of your business!!!

[HensRock]

Must have been really tough for you to do, I know good therapist if you need them to get over that vote. :D

I agree on th Rhode Island issue, even Lehigh might beat them. xsmiley_wix

Hey at least I'm not a homer.
I have my 5-2 Hens completely unranked for the same exact reason I have 8-0 Lehigh only at #25.
At least the Mhawks finally covered a point-spread last week Say what you will, but I am fair.

[Walkon79]

Sam Houston now at least beaten McNeese. I agree on Montana State.

Really? What have u guys done? We GAVE the game to everyone's #1, and beat everybody else on our schedule. Give me one good reason why we are not a top ten team right now:

[straightshooter]

Speaking of resume.... I pulled this from our board and it uses the TSN poll, but the point stands.


1. Eastern Washington Eagles: Opponents are a combined 22-32

•@ FBS Idaho (1-7): W 20-3
•@ FBS Washington State (2-5): L 24-20
•@ Weber State (1-7): W 32-26
•Montana (3-5): W 32-26
•North Dakota (4-4): W 55-17
•@ #4 Montana State (6-1): W 27-24
•Sacramento State (5-3): W 31-28


2. Georgia Southern Eagles: Opponents are a combined 27-26

•Jacksonville (6-2): W 58-0
•@ The Citadel (4-3): L 23-21
•Elon (3-4): W 26-23
•Samford (5-3): W 35-16
•@ Western Carolina (1-7): W 45-13
•#7 Wofford (6-1): W 17-9
•@ Furman (2-6): W 38-17


3. North Dakota State Bison: Opponents are a combined 18-32

•Robert Morris (2-5): W 58-0
•@ FBS Colorado State (1-6): W 22-7
•Prairie View A&M (2-5): W 66-7
•@ Northern Iowa (2-5): W 33-21
•#22 Youngstown State (4-3): W 48-7
•#15 Indiana State (6-2): L 17-14
•@ (neutral) South Dakota (1-6): W 54-0


4. Montana State Bobcats: Opponents are a combined 29-24 (D2 win)

•DII Chadron State (6-2): W 33-6
•@ Drake (6-2): W 34-24
•Stephen F. Austin (3-4): W 43-35
•Northern Colorado (2-5): W 41-16
•@ Southern Utah (3-5): W 24-17
•@ UC Davis (3-5): W 48-41
•#1 Eastern Washington (6-1): L 27-24


5. Sam Houston State Bearcats: Opponents are a combined 20-29 (D2 win)

•DII Incarnate Word (2-6): W 54-7
•@ FBS Baylor (3-3): L 48-23
•@ #14 Central Arkansas (6-2): L 24-20
•@ Texas Southern (1-6): W 50-6
•Stephen F. Austin (3-4): W 51-43
•@ Nicholls State (1-5): W 41-0
•McNeese State (4-3): W 45-10

Here's the tale of the tape as of this weekend. The current opponent's record as of this past weekend for the Top 3 teams:

Eastern Washington's remaining opponent's records as of now - 13-15
North Dakota's remaining opponent's records as of now - 18-13
Georgia Southern's remaining opponent's records as of now - 20-9 (all of GSU's remaining opponents have winning records right now)

[Tribal]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Stony Brook Seawolves
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Tennessee State Tigers
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Towson Tigers
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Tribal

[Reign of Terrier]

I love how Wofford jumped to 5 xlolx

[MSUBobcat]

Here's the tale of the tape as of this weekend. The current opponent's record as of this past weekend for the Top 3 teams:

Eastern Washington's remaining opponent's records as of now - 13-15
North Dakota's remaining opponent's records as of now - 18-13
Georgia Southern's remaining opponent's records as of now - 20-9 (all of GSU's remaining opponents have winning records right now)

Oh no you di'int. You better be ducking for mistaking UND for NDSU........

[BisonFan02]

Oh no you di'int. You better be ducking for mistaking UND for NDSU........

I've given up on correcting people. I'm just going to start calling Georgia Southern either Georgia or Georgia State and see how they feel. :D

[ODU Oldtimer]

#6 Old Dominion has played 4 Straight Top 26 Teams on AGS Poll. I don't think anyone else in the top 25 has gone head to head with as many as the Monarchs. @ Next up #25 Delaware will make it 5 straight in the top 26

Duquesne 5 / 2
Hampton 1 / 5
Campbell 1 / 6
# 12 New Hampshire 6 / 2
# 21 Richmond 5 / 3
# 18 Villanova 6 / 2
# 26 Towson 3 / 4
# 25 Delaware @ 5 / 2

Current Records 27 / 24 @ Delaware record not included!

[Twentysix]

I've given up on correcting people. I'm just going to start calling Georgia Southern either Georgia or Georgia State and see how they feel. :D

University of Georgia State Southern there is a taco johns in Warner Robins.

UGSSTISTJWR Eagles.

[ITmonarch10]

#6 Old Dominion has played 4 Straight Top 26 Teams on AGS Poll. I don't think anyone else in the top 25 has gone head to head with as many as the Monarchs. @ Next up #25 Delaware will make it 5 straight in the top 26

Duquesne 5 / 2
Hampton 1 / 5
Campbell 1 / 6
# 12 New Hampshire 6 / 2
# 21 Richmond 5 / 3
# 18 Villanova 6 / 2
# 26 Towson 3 / 4
# 25 Delaware @ 5 / 2

Current Records 27 / 24 @ Delaware record not included!

The Hampton and Campbell games are probably hurting us right now. We scheduled them expecting to suck for 5 years :(

[straightshooter]

Oh no you di'int. You better be ducking for mistaking UND for NDSU........

It was late, have had no sleep and you know what I meant.

[caribbeanhen]

Here's mine with last week's ranking in parentheses ...

1: Eastern Washington Eagles (1)
2: North Dakota State Bison (5)
3: Georgia Southern Eagles (3)
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats (4)
5: Cal Poly Mustangs (6)
6: Montana State Bobcats (7)
7: Wofford Terriers (9)
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks (8)
9: James Madison Dukes (2)
10: Stony Brook Seawolves (11)
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (12)
12: Old Dominion Monarchs (13)
13: Central Arkansas Bears (17)
14: New Hampshire Wildcats (18)
15: Indiana State Sycamores (19)
16: Illinois State Redbirds (10)
17: Eastern Kentucky Colonels (22)
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks (23)
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (24)
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (16)
21: Appalachian State Mountaineers (20)
22: Southern Illinois Salukis (NR)
23: Villanova Wildcats (NR)
24: Youngstown State Penguins (15)
25: Albany Great Danes (NR)

Out this week: Towson (14), Tennessee State (21), Samford (25)
On the outside looking in (and in no particular order): Tennessee State, Samford, Bethune-Cookman, Richmond, Sacramento State, Jacksonville State

I don't see Maine in your poll... translated = Delaware to high

[eaglewraith]

University of Georgia State Southern there is a taco johns in Warner Robins.

UGSSTISTJWR Eagles.

There's a Taco John's here in Warner Robins????

[superman7515]

I have family in Warner Robins, the Taco Johns is on the base on Macon Street.

[appfan2008]

This is the first year in many many years that i have not been voting mostly being due to laziness but i must say i would not have asu ranked at this time and am shocked to see us at #17.

[dystopiamembrane]

..i must say i would not have asu ranked at this time and am shocked to see us at #17.
I think this is a case of expecting too much from your team. You have high hopes because your team has done exceptionally well over the last 10 years. They are performing well this year also. I think 17th is a little low, actually. Know that there are some very, very poor football teams in the FCS. Hell, the OVC and Southland might get two teams each into the playoffs.

[bjtheflamesfan]

They have two top 25 wins right now. How many teams above them have that?

Villanova was not a top 25 team at the time of Richmond's victory so I only counted 1.

[MTfan4life]

Villanova was not a top 25 team at the time of Richmond's victory so I only counted 1.

I don't like counting what wins were at the time. If you go by that, Albany has a top 25 win over Maine and New Hampshire has a win over a 2-5 Maine. I'd rather say they both have wins over a 2-5 Maine. Polls are so iffy during the season, because you don't know the exact quality of each team. It's just a perceived rating. You're saying Richmond beat Villanova when we perceived the Wildcats to not be a top 25 team, so it doesn't count as a top 25 win. In my mind, that's a sketchy way to reward win quality. Another example. App. St beat a top 15 Montana team. North Dakota beat a not even receiving votes Montana team. Does that mean App. State's win should be counted as a much better win than North Dakota's? xtwocentsx

[bjtheflamesfan]

I will agree it is rather sketch MTfan4life, although I think that is how they methodologize it when they put together the How They Fared each week that a lot of people use when making their ballots (to what degree is up to each person).

[eaglewraith]

I have family in Warner Robins, the Taco Johns is on the base on Macon Street.

I've been working here for 5 years. Scary you know more about it than I do.

[Twentysix]

I've been working here for 5 years. Scary you know more about it than I do.

Scarier that someone from ND needed to tell you about it ;).

[URMite]

#6 Old Dominion has played 4 Straight Top 26 Teams on AGS Poll. I don't think anyone else in the top 25 has gone head to head with as many as the Monarchs. @ Next up #25 Delaware will make it 5 straight in the top 26

Duquesne 5 / 2
Hampton 1 / 5
Campbell 1 / 6
# 12 New Hampshire 6 / 2
# 21 Richmond 5 / 3
# 18 Villanova 6 / 2
# 26 Towson 3 / 4
# 25 Delaware @ 5 / 2

Current Records 27 / 24 @ Delaware record not included!

Life in the CAA...
Last 4 for UR #8 ODU, #18 Nova, #12 UNH, #10 JMU...

[eaglewraith]

Scarier that someone from ND needed to tell you about it ;).

I rarely eat on base, that's probably part of the problem.

[T-Dog]

My poll

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Cal Poly Mustangs
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Albany Great Danes
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Appalachian State Mountaineers
17: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
18: Towson Tigers
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Richmond Spiders
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[klak]

My poll
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: Georgia Southern Eagles


wut

[ElCid]

I've been working here for 5 years. Scary you know more about it than I do.

It is in the BX lobby area. I have eaten there way too many times. If you work on base we will have to have lunch there.