AGS Top 25 Week 1 Poll Results

[AGSPoll]

Final results for the 2012 Week 1 Poll:


1 North Dakota State Bison 3061 (103)
2 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2901 (13)
3 Georgia Southern Eagles 2796 (5)
4 Montana State Bobcats 2476
5 Northern Iowa Panthers 2362
6 Old Dominion Monarchs 2217
7 James Madison Dukes 2114
8 Appalachian State Mountaineers 2067
9 Youngstown State Penguins 2058 (4)
10 Montana Grizzlies 1939
11 Eastern Washington Eagles 1702
12 Wofford Terriers 1614
13 New Hampshire Wildcats 1518
14 Towson Tigers 1475
15 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1384
16 Maine Black Bears 1270
17 Stony Brook Seawolves 1222
18 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1085
19 Illinois State Redbirds 846
20 McNeese State Cowboys 645
21 Central Arkansas Bears 566
22 Cal Poly Mustangs 453
23 Indiana State Sycamores 439
24 Liberty Flames 351
25 William & Mary Tribe 277

Most Significant Win:
Youngstown State Penguins

Most Significant Loss:
Furman Paladins

26 Albany Great Danes 220
27 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 200
28 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 186
29 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 169
30 Chattanooga Mocs 166
31 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 141
32 Harvard Crimson 110
33. (t) Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 108
33. (t) Eastern Illinois Panthers 108
35 Samford Bulldogs 106
36 Norfolk State Spartans 90
37 South Carolina State Bulldogs 68
38 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 63
39 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 61
40 Georgetown Hoyas 49

[danefan]

I like it.

[Mountaineer]

Furman. xwavex

[The Eagle's Cliff]

My Poll (AGS)

I believe it takes 3-4 weeks minimum to get a realistic poll, but it's fun to guess.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Northern Iowa Panthers (5)
5: Montana State Bobcats (4)
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers (8)
8: Montana Grizzlies (10)
9: James Madison Dukes (7)
10: Youngstown State Penguins (9)
11: Towson Tigers (14)
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks (15)
14: Maine Black Bears (16)
15: New Hampshire Wildcats (13)
16: Stony Brook Seawolves (17)
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (18)
18: Eastern Washington Eagles (11)
19: Central Arkansas Bears (21)
20: Illinois State Redbirds (19)
21: Cal Poly Mustangs (22)
22: McNeese State Cowboys (20)
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Albany Great Danes (26)
25: Liberty Flames (24)

YSU and Furman

[SpiritCymbal]

Sucks for UT-Martin. I don't care how bad Memphis is, they deserve to be top 25 for this week at least. Period.

[ElonFirefighter]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Towson Tigers
14: Maine Black Bears
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Eastern Illinois Panthers
25: Samford Bulldogs

[bluehenbillk]

W&M ranked? Wow.

[danefan]

W&M ranked? Wow.

15-on is a crapshoot this early on.

[Twentysix]

15-on is a crapshoot this early on.

The whole thing is imo

[TheRevSFA]

SFA is not impressed.

Also not sure how you reward McNeese who beat a horrible Sun Belt team and not UT-Martin for beating a just as horrible CUSA team.

[Apphole]

I totally F'ed up my most significant win/loss. I was predicting for the coming week for some reason. The most significant loss I chose won and visa-versa.

16745

[PantherRob82]

I had Tn-M in, but not sure who was out. Otherwise I had 24 of the same 25. It will work itself out over the next 11 weeks.

[OhioHen]

W&M ranked? Wow.

ANY team with a loss ranked ahead of a bunch of teams who won their only game so far?

As Al Davis said "just win baby!"

[Twentysix]

SFA is not impressed.

Also not sure how you reward McNeese who beat a horrible Sun Belt team and not UT-Martin for beating a just as horrible CUSA team.

Simple, name recognition.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I will qualify this by mentioning that I am pretty sure I missed the preseason poll because I was going through some personal issues and a lack of internet access and so I largely stuck to that. Also, I didnt penalize teams that lost games they were supposed to (i.e. FBS vs. FCS games). I expect that this will look much different on my part starting next week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Towson Tigers
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Maine Black Bears
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Liberty Flames
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Liberty Flames
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Towson Tigers
25: Albany Great Danes

Based largely on my preseason poll. In a few weeks Ill bother arguing with people as to why my poll is better than yours, but not this week. I probably did give UNI too much credit in the game vs wisky as I have later learned that alot of UW impact players were out. FCS vs FCS competition is more my thing anyway.

[crusader11]

Jacksonville State should be ranked, in my opinion.

[SpiritCymbal]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Liberty Flames
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Towson Tigers
25: Albany Great Danes

Based largely on my preseason poll. In a few weeks Ill bother arguing with people as to why my poll is better than yours, but not this week. I probably did give UNI too much credit in the game vs wisky as I have later learned that alot of UW impact players were out. FCS vs FCS competition is more my thing anyway.

I think that's a quality top 25 in my opinion.

[crusader11]

Oh, and my 25. Have at it.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: Towson Tigers
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Liberty Flames
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Albany Great Danes

[TTUEagles]

There's a lot of OVC teams bunched in there in the ORV...A couple of wins away from vaulting a few into the top 25.

[Go Poly]

Sucks for UT-Martin. I don't care how bad Memphis is, they deserve to be top 25 for this week at least. Period.

I could not concur any more vehemently!

[Cocky]

Jacksonville State should be ranked, in my opinion.
We are like a good looking girl with an ugly mother. Look at our roster and we look great, look at our HC (or ugly mother) and it is just not worth the risk.

[theasushow]

I can't remember the last time we penalized teams for losing FBS games....it seems like in the past they may dropped a spot, but usually would hold firm in the polls. ASU, Towson, UCA, EKU, and UTC all dropped significant spots in the polls. UNI gained a spot with a loss? UCA plays head to head with Miss for a half and gets dropped 5 spots? ASU plays head to head with ECU for 3 quarters and gets dropped 3? Liberty and Indiana State both have good showings and hold their position?? I realize you play to win every game, but it seems as though in years past we haven't been so hard on teams that lost to FBS teams. There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with what is expected when teams play these FBS games.

[darell1976]

#39!!! After a game with SDSoM I can see that. Once UND beats better opponents (starting with PSU) they should move up, and if they beat SDSU(Aztecs) I hope to see UND enter the polls.

[SpeedkingATL]

As usual the AGS poll looks the most accurate to me of all FCS polls (based on what you can determine after week one).

[MTfan4life]

Sucks for UT-Martin. I don't care how bad Memphis is, they deserve to be top 25 for this week at least. Period.

This is what I don't like about how some people look at polls. There shouldn't be a "deserve this" based on specific things. The poll is a rating of the best 25 teams. It's not a reward for garnering one big win. Two years ago, Gardner-Webb beat FBS Akron, but still finished the season 4-7 with 4 losses by at least two TDs.

If you believe that Tennessee Martin is truly better than the teams you want to rank below them, then that's fine. Just don't place teams into a certain position because they got a big win.

[PantherRob82]

All I care about is how the teams look. Especially against FBS teams. I don't expect wins, but if you look like complete garbage, you might end up lower until I have some more data to work with. But as with every year, I should give the disclaimer that I am NOT a slider. I put together a top 25 each week, and do not drop a team X amount of slots for a loss.

[MTfan4life]

I can't remember the last time we penalized teams for losing FBS games....it seems like in the past they may dropped a spot, but usually would hold firm in the polls. ASU, Towson, UCA, EKU, and UTC all dropped significant spots in the polls. UNI gained a spot with a loss? UCA plays head to head with Miss for a half and gets dropped 5 spots? ASU plays head to head with ECU for 3 quarters and gets dropped 3? Liberty and Indiana State both have good showings and hold their position?? I realize you play to win every game, but it seems as though in years past we haven't been so hard on teams that lost to FBS teams. There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with what is expected when teams play these FBS games.

Dropped spots? They were dropped from a preseason ranking. A preseason ranking is about as useful as a senior citizen after 9 p.m. You also need to note this preseason poll was taken 3 months ago. A lot of opinions have changed since then. Any week's poll shouldn't be restrained to the previous poll. People rank who they think are the best 25 teams. When people simply look at "last week's poll" as a base for how to rank teams "this week", the polls lose their accuracy. For example, UCA was ranked high in the preseason poll because they did well last season. Now people have more of an understanding of what everyone returned from last season and what everyone picked up. The first week's polls should have NO comparison to a preseason poll. They're too far apart.

[clenz]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Liberty Flames
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Towson Tigers
25: Albany Great Danes

Based largely on my preseason poll. In a few weeks Ill bother arguing with people as to why my poll is better than yours, but not this week. I probably did give UNI too much credit in the game vs wisky as I have later learned that alot of UW impact players were out. FCS vs FCS competition is more my thing anyway.

I do have to ask which impact players were out. as far as I could tell all of Wisconsin starters were in the whole game.

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[TheRevSFA]

This is what I don't like about how some people look at polls. There shouldn't be a "deserve this" based on specific things. The poll is a rating of the best 25 teams. It's not a reward for garnering one big win. Two years ago, Gardner-Webb beat FBS Akron, but still finished the season 4-7 with 4 losses by at least two TDs.

If you believe that Tennessee Martin is truly better than the teams you want to rank below them, then that's fine. Just don't place teams into a certain position because they got a big win.

So how is it that Texas State, who has been rated as one of the weakest teams in FBS, is in the ORV category (and was ranked 16th on one mad man's poll) after beating U of H?

In week 1, it DOES have to do with whom you beat. For example, why is McNeese ranked over SFA? SFA finished higher in them in the conference last season? Answer: Name Recognition and the fact that McNeese beat MTSU week 1

Tennessee-Martin proved that they were deserving of a spot by beating a team in a division above them.

[Dane96]

I can't remember the last time we penalized teams for losing FBS games....it seems like in the past they may dropped a spot, but usually would hold firm in the polls. ASU, Towson, UCA, EKU, and UTC all dropped significant spots in the polls. UNI gained a spot with a loss? UCA plays head to head with Miss for a half and gets dropped 5 spots? ASU plays head to head with ECU for 3 quarters and gets dropped 3? Liberty and Indiana State both have good showings and hold their position?? I realize you play to win every game, but it seems as though in years past we haven't been so hard on teams that lost to FBS teams. There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with what is expected when teams play these FBS games.

Or just maybe people are tired of ranking teams based on pre-season hogwash.

[McNeese72]

So how is it that Texas State, who has been rated as one of the weakest teams in FBS, is in the ORV category (and was ranked 16th on one mad man's poll) after beating U of H?

In week 1, it DOES have to do with whom you beat. For example, why is McNeese ranked over SFA? SFA finished higher in them in the conference last season? Answer: Name Recognition and the fact that McNeese beat MTSU week 1

Tennessee-Martin proved that they were deserving of a spot by beating a team in a division above them.

I still think it is a little too early for us to be ranked. If we blow out McMurry and then win at Weber St., then I think we might be deserved to be at the bottom of the rankings.

But I did like what I saw of the play of the McNeese Offensive Line (whose play last season definitely was not stellar) against Middle Tenn. If the line keeps looking like that, I think we will have a very good team this season. That and the defense looked good. The Defensive Line played well against Middle Tenn.

Doc

[knucklehead]

Yea, I think polls shouldn't start until after week 4 or so. It's too early and noone has a big enough body of work to judge. I'll take my team Liberty for example. They have a whole new staff and a ton of starters are gone from last year, especially some guys named Mike Brown and Chris Summers. Game 1 vs Wake they look better than most expected, but the QB is just getting settled (named starter right before kickofff) and there are other adjustments going on as well. I just think it's too early to really know what a team is like.

[clenz]

I do have to ask which impact players were out. as far as I could tell all of Wisconsin starters were in the whole game.

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Did some looking....it looks like everyone that was expected to start, and play, did....


UNI held Monte Ball to 3.8 yards per carry - he averaged 6.8 last season.

Danny O'Brien played the whole game, as did Montee Ball and James White. Abbrederis was Wisconsin's top pass catcher, and every WR listed on the two deep from Aug 20 saw action.

The defense looks the same as well.



Again, what impact players from Wisconsin were held out?

[Rekdiver]

Not a bad effort. Younstown's victory is telling and NI's effort was excellent. UT Martin deserves something and my team's loss still leaves us guessing.
AND the durn Grizzlies and rain are coming to Boone this weekend.

[Squealofthepig]

W&M ranked? Wow.

They should be on everyone's radar, as Maryland needed a fourth quarter comeback to beat the Tribe 7-6 at home - probably the best non-win showing against FBS this weekend.

Mine for anyone curious:

1 North Dakota State Bison
2 Georgia Southern Eagles
3 Northern Iowa Panthers
4 Sam Houston State Bearkats
5 Appalachian State Mountaineers
6 Montana State Bobcats
7 Old Dominion Monarchs
8 Youngstown State Penguins
9 Montana
10 James Madison Dukes
11 Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12 Eastern Washington Eagles
13 Illinois State Redbirds
14 Maine Black Bears
15 Towson Tigers
16 Stony Brook Seawolves
17 New Hampshire Wildcats
18 Wofford Terriers
19 Central Arkansas Bears
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21 Cal Poly Mustangs
22 McNeese
23 William & Mary
24 Indiana State Sycamores (another impressive loss at perennial B1G bottom-dweller Indiana)
24 Eastern Illinois
25 Liberty Flames

[Vitojr130]

They should be on everyone's radar, as Maryland needed a fourth quarter comeback to beat the Tribe 7-6 at home - probably the best non-win showing against FBS this weekend.

Mine for anyone curious:

1 North Dakota State Bison
2 Georgia Southern Eagles
3 Northern Iowa Panthers
4 Sam Houston State Bearkats
5 Appalachian State Mountaineers
6 Montana State Bobcats
7 Old Dominion Monarchs
8 Youngstown State Penguins
9 Montana
10 James Madison Dukes
11 Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12 Eastern Washington Eagles
13 Illinois State Redbirds
14 Maine Black Bears
15 Towson Tigers
16 Stony Brook Seawolves
17 New Hampshire Wildcats
18 Wofford Terriers
19 Central Arkansas Bears
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21 Cal Poly Mustangs
22 McNeese
23 William & Mary
24 Indiana State Sycamores (another impressive loss at perennial B1G bottom-dweller Indiana)
24 Eastern Illinois
25 Liberty Flames

I second this entire list. xthumbsupx

[Engineer86]

I agree with many that until week three or four, these polls are a general crap shoot for most of the list. I always hate how a team is on the preseason list and stays there despite several average losses.

[asumike83]

Until we get into the heart of conference play, these polls aren't good for much other than entertainment. I make an effort to put the top 25 teams in there but I have no doubt that my final poll will look significantly different.

Here is mine for Week 1:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Towson Tigers
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Liberty Flames
24: Norfolk State Spartans
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[DSUrocks07]

I noticed that screwed up my preseason poll, (had Lehigh twice) xflaggedx

This is my Week 1 poll for scrutiny.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Liberty Flames
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Towson Tigers
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats

Win: Youngstown State
Loss: Northern Iowa

FTR this is my first season doing the poll, so take from that what you will.

[frozennorth]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Towson Tigers
17: Liberty Flames
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

probably woudl have put ut-m in instead of sdsu, but below isu-b it was really a crapshoot anyway

[ngineer]

No feel for reality until the end of September.

[terrierbob]

Asumike83: Why would Wofford drop out of the top 25 after we beat the crap out of an FCS opponent?

[bojeta]

ve to confess, I haven't researched much into Maryland's current team, but I do know they finished last season in the FBS Bottom 10

[Hambone]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Towson Tigers
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Liberty Flames
23: Albany Great Danes
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: William & Mary Tribe

Forgot about UT-Martin.

[Tribal]

ANY team with a loss ranked ahead of a bunch of teams who won their only game so far?

As Al Davis said "just win baby!"

Maryland's an ACC team, not DII.

Indeed, UMD had some players transfer and the team is one of the weakest in the ACC. No doubt about that. That said, they are still stacked with 3 and 4 star recruits and we played them at their place. They played 2 true freshmen Saturday...QB and safety. W&M literally beat them at all phases except punting, mostly with our THIRD string QB. I only watched W&M, Towson and UR so my poll is hugely based on what I've read. Like everyone else on here, I focus on one team and do my best to follow the others.

It's difficult to get a good idea about teams who played massively inferior programs or FBS teams. Does anyone think OK State is that impressive because they beat the piss out of a horrible FCS school? My Game of Week 2 is the Montana-App St game. That's a significant match-up. I'm also eager to see how Chatty plays Jacksonville St and Liberty vs NSU. I'm guessing we'll see two more FCS teams upset FBS schools.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Towson Tigers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Liberty Flames
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[wmmii]

Here are my votes:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Wofford Terriers
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Old Dominion Monarchs
13: Towson Tigers
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Liberty Flames
24: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
25: Harvard Crimson

[jmufan999]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Towson Tigers
9: Old Dominion Monarchs
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Indiana State Sycamores
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Liberty Flames
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Sucks for UT-Martin. I don't care how bad Memphis is, they deserve to be top 25 for this week at least. Period. Yeah, my poll had 6 ORV teams in it, UT-Martin one of them. I like to base my poll on what was done of the field, and that was a significant win by UT-Martin. I doubt a lot of the teams will stay in my top 25 as the season wears on, but I look at my poll as the 9/4 poll, not the final season rankings.

Others have different philosophies about ranking teams, and that's ok. It all blends nicely for the AGS poll.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

For the record:
1 North Dakota St
2 SHSU
3 Georgia Southern
4 Youngstown St
5 James Madison
6 Northern Iowa
7 Old Dominion
8 Montana State
9 New Hampshire
10 Eastern Washington
11 Montana
12 McNeese State
13 Delaware
14 Eastern Illinois
15 South Carolina State
16 Appalachain State
17 Tennessee-Martin
18 Illinois State
19 Tennessee Tech
20 Wofford
21 Albany
22 Samford
23 Jacksonville State
24 Liberty
25 Towson

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Dropped spots? They were dropped from a preseason ranking. A preseason ranking is about as useful as a senior citizen after 9 p.m. You also need to note this preseason poll was taken 3 months ago. A lot of opinions have changed since then. Any week's poll shouldn't be restrained to the previous poll. People rank who they think are the best 25 teams. When people simply look at "last week's poll" as a base for how to rank teams "this week", the polls lose their accuracy. For example, UCA was ranked high in the preseason poll because they did well last season. Now people have more of an understanding of what everyone returned from last season and what everyone picked up. The first week's polls should have NO comparison to a preseason poll. They're too far apart.

Along these lines, there are also many that do not participate in the preseason rankings out of principle. I am not one of them, but I was out on business during the time when that polling took place. You add these people back into the mix of the polling for week 1 and you obviously see a different poll.

[MTfan4life]

For the record:
1 North Dakota St
2 SHSU
3 Georgia Southern
4 Youngstown St
5 James Madison
6 Northern Iowa
7 Old Dominion
8 Montana State
9 New Hampshire
10 Eastern Washington
11 Montana
12 McNeese State
13 Delaware
14 Eastern Illinois
15 South Carolina State
16 Appalachain State
17 Tennessee-Martin
18 Illinois State
19 Tennessee Tech
20 Wofford
21 Albany
22 Samford
23 Jacksonville State
24 Liberty
25 Towson

Yikes. Closet Georgia State fan, perhaps or just an SCSU alum? I didn't know a win over Georgia State could ever merit a Top 15 ranking? Marist crushed a much better team on the road than GaState and they're not in here. Wofford had a road win as well and yet they're below SCSU. Gotta love polls like these.

I'm just noticing this last bit. Stony Brook, a team with two of the best running backs in FCS that also dominated in their first game is COMPLETELY ABSENT from this poll. Lehigh is also absent. Monmouth is way better than Georgia State.

Is this an actual submitted poll? There really should be an approval committee that requires you to explain reasons why teams like Stony Brook or Lehigh are not included and why teams like South Carolina State or Eastern Illinois are ranked so high.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Stony Brook was a clear oversight. :o Lehigh was not, but they have plenty of time to break into and rise in my ballot. I am sure most have had an "oops" moment or two leaving off a team. My guess is someone left off Sam Houston this week because they did not play.

South Carolina St. is a damn good team with 9 of 11 starters back on offense. They lost some on defense, but also have Freshman Preseason Rookie of the Year as a DB. They lost only by 3 to a good Norfolk St. team last year and 3 to FAMU. I expect SCSU to be as good this year, though with 2 FBS teams on their schedule they might need to win the MEAC to get into the playoffs.

Eastern Illinois is not the EIU of 2010-2011. They have a new coach installing elements of the system that has led Baylor to become a force in the BigXII. Jr. QB Garappolo had five TDs against SIU. I know SIU is not the same team it was a couple years ago, but they are not completely chopped liver either. Returning a ton of starters, experience with excitement will lead EIU to contend for the OVC this year.

More games to be played for teams to come and go from the top 25. This is week one. I have put forth my opinion. I guess if we all had the same opinions and they were facts, then there would be no sense in playing the games now would there?

Too much time wasted explaining this. I do regret omitting SBU - they are even better than last year by all accounts so far. After 3-4 weeks, all the dust will settle. Get off your high horse and enjoy the diversity of opinions. It's what makes AGS so much better than ESPN and the rest of sports media.

[NHwildEcat]

Until we get into the heart of conference play, these polls aren't good for much other than entertainment. I make an effort to put the top 25 teams in there but I have no doubt that my final poll will look significantly different.

Here is mine for Week 1:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Appalachian State Mountaineers
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Towson Tigers
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Liberty Flames
24: Norfolk State Spartans
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

Just curious, but can I ask where you had UNH coming into the season? Was it in line with your week 1 poll or were they lower/higher?

[NHwildEcat]

I noticed that screwed up my preseason poll, (had Lehigh twice) xflaggedx

This is my Week 1 poll for scrutiny.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Liberty Flames
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Towson Tigers
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats

Win: Youngstown State
Loss: Northern Iowa

FTR this is my first season doing the poll, so take from that what you will.

I'm sorry, but where is UNH? How can they not be a top 25 team in anyones poll?

[MR. CHICKEN]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Towson Tigers
17: Liberty Flames
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

probably woudl have put ut-m in instead of sdsu, but below isu-b it was really a crapshoot anyway


16748.....WHERE'S DELAWARE......xconfusedx......BRAWK!!

[MR. CHICKEN]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Georgia Southern Eagles
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: Towson Tigers
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Liberty Flames
23: Albany Great Danes
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: William & Mary Tribe

Forgot about UT-Martin.


16749.....&.....DELAWARE....:(....AWK!

[darell1976]

Here was my poll:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Wofford Terriers
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Towson Tigers
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Norfolk State Spartans
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

[frozennorth]

16749.....&.....DELAWARE....:(....AWK!

xeekx

delaware would have been somewhere around 10th

[WrenFGun]

I noticed that screwed up my preseason poll, (had Lehigh twice) xflaggedx

This is my Week 1 poll for scrutiny.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Liberty Flames
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Towson Tigers
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats

Win: Youngstown State
Loss: Northern Iowa

FTR this is my first season doing the poll, so take from that what you will.

New Hampshire would beat BCU by 50. Where are they?

[superman7515]

#26

[Pard4Life]

I am probably the only one who ranked Penn and Harvard.

[danefan]

I am probably the only one who ranked Penn and Harvard.

Why would you?

[WrenFGun]

Why would you?

I think it's because they play such a tough schedule..

[NHwildEcat]

Why would you?

Agreed...Dartmouth should be ahead of them.

[Pard4Life]

I think it's because they play such a tough schedule..

Just because they do not partake in the playoffs does not mean that they do not have quality football teams.

[TheRevSFA]

Here's mine for criticism. I actually accept it..I like to see where I can be a better voter

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Towson Tigers
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[Pard4Life]

Why would you?

Harvard is a team that reloads... 15 starters returning, plus their very capable QB, clutch WR, and their monster DT from a 9-1 team. Penn has a strong defensive front and an intact returning offense from a team that lost several close games. Penn is more of a speculation pick than anything, but Harvard surely deserves a nod.

[DSUrocks07]

Just because they do not partake in the playoffs does not mean that they do not have quality football teams.

How do you know they are a quality team? They haven't played a game yet...

[DSUrocks07]

I'm sorry, but where is UNH? How can they not be a top 25 team in anyones poll?


New Hampshire would beat BCU by 50. Where are they?

Like I said, my first year doing the poll. And with it being the first week of the season, I had BCU at 25 and UNH at the around the 27-30 range in my preseason poll. You both won, and its arguable that a road win over Holy Cross (1hr 45 minutes away from your campus) carries more weight than a neutral site win over Alabama State (a little over an hour away from BCU's campus). Unless you want to say that Holy Cross would beat Bama State by 50 xeyebrowx

So BCU stayed at 25 and UNH is at 26 for now.

I don't subscribe to the theory that every CAA team is a powerhouse simply by being in the CAA. RIGHT NOW, I think that BCU is a better team than UNH. That will probably change over the course of the season. This isn't an exact science.

[danefan]

Harvard is a team that reloads... 15 starters returning, plus their very capable QB, clutch WR, and their monster DT from a 9-1 team. Penn has a strong defensive front and an intact returning offense from a team that lost several close games. Penn is more of a speculation pick than anything, but Harvard surely deserves a nod.

Harvard played no one last year to go 9-1 and their 1 loss was to 6-5 Holy Cross. They play no one again this year.

Tough to rank a team that has nothing to compare against.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Old Dominion Monarchs
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Towson Tigers
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Harvard Crimson
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Liberty Flames

Waiting on McNeese St and William & Mary

[UNIFanSince1983]

Lots of people must not be impressed by beating Pitt by 2 TDs. Can't fathom that YSU should be outside anyone's Top 10.

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[DSUrocks07]

Lots of people must not be impressed by beating Pitt by 2 TDs. Can't fathom that YSU should be outside anyone's Top 10.

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I didn't have them ranked in my preseason poll, so from NR to 13 is a pretty significant jump IMO.

So if Valpo upsets YSU this week should they be in the top 10? They beat a team that beat an "BCS school" (being facetious, of course not because they lost...but the premise is relevant)

[danefan]

Lots of people must not be impressed by beating Pitt by 2 TDs. Can't fathom that YSU should be outside anyone's Top 10.

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I agree. Beating any BCS team by 2 TDs is quite an accomplishment.

[danefan]

This is an exaggeration. Ivy League teams won games against the Patriot League, the NEC, and the CAA last year. Harvard won the Ivy League.

It may be true that there's not enough information to rank Harvard accurately. But it's not true that there's no information at all.

I'm not saying there is no information to rank them. I'm saying there is no information to justify them in a Top 25 position.

Wins over middle of the conference NEC and Patriot League teams and a 3-8 CAA team does not justify a Top 25 spot.

This is a yearly event for me. I don't hate on the Ivy League. I just don't get the infatuation with teams in a conference that haven't proven themselves in 10 years.

[Silenoz]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Towson Tigers
17: Liberty Flames
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Albany Great Danes
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

probably woudl have put ut-m in instead of sdsu, but below isu-b it was really a crapshoot anyway
You have B-CU and SDSU (among others) above an unranked Montana? Ouch

[DSUrocks07]

This is an exaggeration. Ivy League teams won games against the Patriot League, the NEC, and the CAA last year. Harvard won the Ivy League.

It may be true that there's not enough information to rank Harvard accurately. But it's not true that there's no information at all.

I hate that argument...xsighx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

My Top 25 picks:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2012/09/my-fcs-top-25-922012.html

Like many, not that impressed with the wins over FBS programs. Youngstown State was good, but Pitt is terrible.

[frozennorth]

You have B-CU and SDSU (among others) above an unranked Montana? Ouch

no team that wins by that margin against USD deserves to be ranked this early in the season.

It would not surprise me either way for montana to finish in or out of the top 25.

[asumike83]

Asumike83: Why would Wofford drop out of the top 25 after we beat the crap out of an FCS opponent?

Wow! Complete oversight on my part. Too late to fix it now but I meant to have them around #12.

[Silenoz]

no team that wins by that margin against USD deserves to be ranked this early in the season.

It would not surprise me either way for montana to finish in or out of the top 25.
Valid argument I suppose if you're going strictly by week 1 scores. But I will say that the final score wasn't really indicative of how the teams played (big/broken plays), and USD >>> Alabama State. I would also be very surprised if we miss the top 25. We haven't even been unranked* for a single week since the '90s



*TSN's poll I believe

[Dane96]

Like I said, my first year doing the poll. And with it being the first week of the season, I had BCU at 25 and UNH at the around the 27-30 range in my preseason poll. You both won, and its arguable that a road win over Holy Cross (1hr 45 minutes away from your campus) carries more weight than a neutral site win over Alabama State (a little over an hour away from BCU's campus). Unless you want to say that Holy Cross would beat Bama State by 50 xeyebrowx

So BCU stayed at 25 and UNH is at 26 for now.

I don't subscribe to the theory that every CAA team is a powerhouse simply by being in the CAA. RIGHT NOW, I think that BCU is a better team than UNH. That will probably change over the course of the season. This isn't an exact science.

I like you dude...but you need to watch more CAA games (they are all over the TV). UNH WOULD THROTTLE BOTH THOSE TEAMS. YES...throttle.

[Dane96]

Lots of people must not be impressed by beating Pitt by 2 TDs. Can't fathom that YSU should be outside anyone's Top 10.

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Yep...agreed.

Who cares WHERE you pre-season ranked someone. Pre-season ranking suck. What happens week in and out is what should matter. Lord...

[Dane96]

I didn't have them ranked in my preseason poll, so from NR to 13 is a pretty significant jump IMO.

So if Valpo upsets YSU this week should they be in the top 10? They beat a team that beat an "BCS school" (being facetious, of course not because they lost...but the premise is relevant)

Assinine.

Valpo won't be upsetting anyone.

More to the point...if they did...the YSU would move down.

Right now...YSU had by far the most impressive win of any team at this level. They absolutely manhandled a BCS team. PERIOD!

[Dane96]

I'm not saying there is no information to rank them. I'm saying there is no information to justify them in a Top 25 position.

Wins over middle of the conference NEC and Patriot League teams and a 3-8 CAA team does not justify a Top 25 spot.

This is a yearly event for me. I don't hate on the Ivy League. I just don't get the infatuation with teams in a conference that haven't proven themselves in 10 years.

Sigh...you are talking to brick walls my Dane brother.

[Dane96]

My Top 25 picks:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2012/09/my-fcs-top-25-922012.html

Like many, not that impressed with the wins over FBS programs. Youngstown State was good, but Pitt is terrible.

Your Towson comment is so spot on. I watched that game...and frankly...TOWSON LOOKED AWFUL against a not-so-great MAC team. Early of course, but that loss was a "wow...was last year an abberation" moment in my personal rankings.

Until they win a game of significance...Towson's on "notice" with me.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Your Towson comment is so spot on. I watched that game...and frankly...TOWSON LOOKED AWFUL against a not-so-great MAC team. Early of course, but that loss was a "wow...was last year an abberation" moment in my personal rankings.

Until they win a game of significance...Towson's on "notice" with me.

Kent State is much better than most FCS fans realize. Anyone who thought Towson was going to win was simply drinking the FCS Kool-Aid imo. With that said, Towson did not look good in defeat. Given their schedule, the Tigers could be in for a rough season, ala EWU last year.

[HensRock]

Mine. My pool is very volatile in the early weeks. It will firm up after 4-5 weeks when teams begin to build solid resumes. I thought some of the bigger name programs struggled or didn't dominate lesser opponents like you would expect - and I include my beloved Blue Hens in that group.

1. SAM HOUSTON
2. NORTH DAKOTA STATE
3. GEORGIA SOUTHERN
4. NORTHERN IOWA
5. EASTERN WASHINGTON
6. YOUNGSTOWN STATE
7. MONTANA STATE
8. ILLINOIS STATE
9. JAMES MADISON
10. MONTANA
11. NEW HAMPSHIRE
12. OLD DOMINION
13. MAINE
14. APPALACHIAN STATE
15. CAL-POLY
16. TOWSON
17. MCNEESE STATE
18. INDIANA STATE
19. LIBERTY
20. WILLIAM & MARY
21. WOFFORD
22. DELAWARE
23. LEHIGH
24. TENNESSEE-MARTIN
25. STONY BROOK

[terrierbob]

Thanks, ASUM83. Just checking :)

[MTfan4life]

no team that wins by that margin against USD deserves to be ranked this early in the season.

It would not surprise me either way for montana to finish in or out of the top 25.

I'm curious how you are able to tell the claimed poor quality of USD this early in the season? Do you know much about them? Have you seen them play? Where is this awful opinion of USD coming from?

[clenz]

I'm curious how you are able to tell the claimed poor quality of USD this early in the season? Do you know much about them? Have you seen them play? Where is this awful opinion of USD coming from?
I know this is all "preseason" as well, but they will be lucky to get to 3 wins in conference...maybe overall.

[asumike83]

Just curious, but can I ask where you had UNH coming into the season? Was it in line with your week 1 poll or were they lower/higher?

Just checked, I had them at #17 in my preseason, #18 after week one. I didn't intentionally drop them after beating Holy Cross but in my preseason poll, I had both Youngstown State and Eastern Washington just below them so when I moved them up, it just worked out that way.

[asumike83]

Thanks, ASUM83. Just checking :)

Ha, I still cannot believe I did that. I know I had them in there to begin with, I think that I started shuffling teams around and forgot to put them back.

[DSUrocks07]

I like you dude...but you need to watch more CAA games (they are all over the TV). UNH WOULD THROTTLE BOTH THOSE TEAMS. YES...throttle.

xrulesx it's week 1 dude lol

[WrenFGun]

Like I said, my first year doing the poll. And with it being the first week of the season, I had BCU at 25 and UNH at the around the 27-30 range in my preseason poll. You both won, and its arguable that a road win over Holy Cross (1hr 45 minutes away from your campus) carries more weight than a neutral site win over Alabama State (a little over an hour away from BCU's campus). Unless you want to say that Holy Cross would beat Bama State by 50 xeyebrowx

So BCU stayed at 25 and UNH is at 26 for now.

I don't subscribe to the theory that every CAA team is a powerhouse simply by being in the CAA. RIGHT NOW, I think that BCU is a better team than UNH. That will probably change over the course of the season. This isn't an exact science.

UNH Destroyed BC-U two years ago. The talent level wasn't close ... I don't tend to think that much talent has changed in two years..

[WrenFGun]

xrulesx it's week 1 dude lol

I'm just curious what you think Bethune Cookman does better than UNH. I don't think there's a team they'd finish above in the CAA, so it's not just UNH.

[frozennorth]

I'm curious how you are able to tell the claimed poor quality of USD this early in the season? Do you know much about them? Have you seen them play? Where is this awful opinion of USD coming from?
Illinois state game last year. And the fact that it's a rebuilding year.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I didn't have them ranked in my preseason poll, so from NR to 13 is a pretty significant jump IMO.

So if Valpo upsets YSU this week should they be in the top 10? They beat a team that beat an "BCS school" (being facetious, of course not because they lost...but the premise is relevant)

Well yeah that was a huge jump, but this just begs the question as to why they weren't in your Top 25 to begin with? They should have made the playoffs last year, were the only team to beat NDSU all season last year, and were returning nearly everyone. They should've been a Top 15 team or better to begin with.

[caribbeanhen]

xrulesx it's week 1 dude lol

hey DSU, How many fans are expected to make the trip up to Newark on Saturday, by the looks of things last week there should be plenty of tickets available....

[DSUrocks07]

I'm just curious what you think Bethune Cookman does better than UNH. I don't think there's a team they'd finish above in the CAA, so it's not just UNH.

Then the conference arguments come into play...that's just like saying that a 5-6 CAA team deserves to be ranked ahead of a 10-1 MEAC team no matter what.

If BCU loses to SC State this Saturday, (I'm actually picking the Dawgs in this game), and UNH wins then the point is moot. Like I said, BCU may be my #25 but UNH is definitely my #26. Odds are they may be in my top 20 or so regardless next week. It just depends on how everything shakes out. If BCU goes to O'burg and absolutely destroys SC State and plays like they did in the 2nd half of the game with Bama State then that has to be taken under consideration as well.

[bojeta]

Harvard is a team that reloads... 15 starters returning, plus their very capable QB, clutch WR, and their monster DT from a 9-1 team. Penn has a strong defensive front and an intact returning offense from a team that lost several close games. Penn is more of a speculation pick than anything, but Harvard surely deserves a nod.

I'm particularly interested in the outcome of the San Diego vs Harvard game since we both play SD this year. If SD beats Harvard, it's gonna be real difficult to consider Ivy teams for the polls.

[Pard4Life]

How do you know they are a quality team? They haven't played a game yet...

It's hard to even judge who the quality team are that have played a game. Harvard returns most of the starters from their talented 2011 squad.

[Pard4Life]

I'm particularly interested in the outcome of the San Diego vs Harvard game since we both play SD this year. If SD beats Harvard, it's gonna be real difficult to consider Ivy teams for the polls.

True, but it depends on how badly Cornell and Penn beat Harvard, in that case. I doubt the game will be close vs. USD.

[DSUrocks07]

Well yeah that was a huge jump, but this just begs the question as to why they weren't in your Top 25 to begin with? They should have made the playoffs last year, were the only team to beat NDSU all season last year, and were returning nearly everyone. They should've been a Top 15 team or better to begin with.

They were inconsistent last year but I knew that if they performed well against Pitt I would have moved them up regardless of the score. And there are plenty of times where a team is "returning all their starters" and get so hyped up only to fail in Week 1. (i.e. Michigan 2007). I was only erring on the side of caution.

That is a legit reason as to why I didn't have them ranked preseason. There's gonna be a lot of shuffling in any poll until about Week 3 or 4. They keep playing like this and they'll be in the Top 10 by then definitely.

[Twentysix]

Here's mine for criticism. I actually accept it..I like to see where I can be a better voter

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Towson Tigers
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Indiana State Sycamores

NDSU is the top 10. Fix it.

[DSUrocks07]

hey DSU, How many fans are expected to make the trip up to Newark on Saturday, by the looks of things last week there should be plenty of tickets available....

Hopefully we make a good showing, I'm not going to be able to attend due to work commitments. But I know plenty who will be going.

[Pard4Life]

Harvard played no one last year to go 9-1 and their 1 loss was to 6-5 Holy Cross. They play no one again this year.

Tough to rank a team that has nothing to compare against.

It was their first game of the year, while it was Holy Cross' third. It was sloppy and they had turnovers. However, they proceeded to blow out everyone on their schedule. Plus, I saw them in person last year. I've seen many football games, and I know a good team when I see one.

[superman7515]

I'm just curious what you think Bethune Cookman does better than UNH. I don't think there's a team they'd finish above in the CAA, so it's not just UNH.

Georgia State. Argument already rendered moot. xlolx

[superman7515]

It was their first game of the year, while it was Holy Cross' third. It was sloppy and they had turnovers. However, they proceeded to blow out everyone on their schedule. Plus, I saw them in person last year. I've seen many football games, and I know a good team when I see one.

So Ivy League football is roughly equivalent to pornography?

[PantherRob82]

1. Harvard
2. Lehigh
3. Penn
4. Dartmouth
5. South Carolina State
6. Stony Brook
7. Albany
8. Eastern Illinois
9. Eastern Washington
10. McNeese State
11. Youngstown State
12. UT-Martin
13. Sam Houston
14. North Dakota State
15. Montana State
16. Northern Iowa
17. Georgia Southern
18. Appalachian State
19. Old Dominion
20. Montana
21. James Madison
22. Wofford
23. Maine
24. Towson
25. New Hampshire

Thoughts?

[Twentysix]

1. Harvard
2. Lehigh
3. Penn
4. Dartmouth
5. South Carolina State
6. Stony Brook
7. Albany
8. Eastern Illinois
9. Eastern Washington
10. McNeese State
11. Youngstown State
12. UT-Martin
13. Sam Houston
14. North Dakota State
15. Montana State
16. Northern Iowa
17. Georgia Southern
18. Appalachian State
19. Old Dominion
20. Montana
21. James Madison
22. Wofford
23. Maine
24. Towson
25. New Hampshire

Thoughts?

You forgot wagner, they only lost by 4 to an FBS team. Which by my math makes them better than UNI.

[superman7515]

1. Harvard
2. Lehigh
3. Penn
4. Dartmouth
5. South Carolina State
6. Stony Brook
7. Albany
8. Eastern Illinois
9. Eastern Washington
10. McNeese State
11. Youngstown State
12. UT-Martin
13. Sam Houston
14. North Dakota State
15. Montana State
16. Northern Iowa
17. Georgia Southern
18. Appalachian State
19. Old Dominion
20. Montana
21. James Madison
22. Wofford
23. Maine
24. Towson
25. New Hampshire

Thoughts?

No Duquesne!?!

[wmmii]

Kent State is much better than most FCS fans realize. Anyone who thought Towson was going to win was simply drinking the FCS Kool-Aid imo. With that said, Towson did not look good in defeat. Given their schedule, the Tigers could be in for a rough season, ala EWU last year.

Got to agree that I have concern about Towson after seeing them play also, CAA got turned upside down last year with the two bottom teams preseason being the top two finishers. It will be interesting how this plays out!

[Ivytalk]

I absolutely agree. But I suspect Harvard's going to hammer San Diego.

I'm far more concerned about Harvard's first Ivy road game against Brown than I am about San Diego, which Harvard should beat by at least two TDs.

[Tribal]

Georgia State. Argument already rendered moot. xlolx

GA State doesn't play in the CAA.

Yes, I know, but they still don't. They just don't.

[GATA_Eagles]

GA State doesn't play in the CAA.

Yes, I know, but they still don't. They just don't.

They kind of just lay down and take it

[clenz]

Rob, how can you rank ivied (especially all of the top 4) when none of them play until week 3


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[NHwildEcat]

Then the conference arguments come into play...that's just like saying that a 5-6 CAA team deserves to be ranked ahead of a 10-1 MEAC team no matter what.

If BCU loses to SC State this Saturday, (I'm actually picking the Dawgs in this game), and UNH wins then the point is moot. Like I said, BCU may be my #25 but UNH is definitely my #26. Odds are they may be in my top 20 or so regardless next week. It just depends on how everything shakes out. If BCU goes to O'burg and absolutely destroys SC State and plays like they did in the 2nd half of the game with Bama State then that has to be taken under consideration as well.

It's not that you have BCU ranked...it's simply that you have failed to rank UNH one of the most consistent programs in the nation over the past decade. I respect your decision, I just question your entire process in putting together a poll. I think we need to up the standards here, because this is pretty insane.

[NHwildEcat]

Just checked, I had them at #17 in my preseason, #18 after week one. I didn't intentionally drop them after beating Holy Cross but in my preseason poll, I had both Youngstown State and Eastern Washington just below them so when I moved them up, it just worked out that way.

Hey, that's fair...I can't complain with that! I had some teams moves down because those below simply had a better weekend.

[superman7515]

It's not that you have BCU ranked...it's simply that you have failed to rank UNH one of the most consistent programs in the nation over the past decade. I respect your decision, I just question your entire process in putting together a poll. I think we need to up the standards here, because this is pretty insane.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and ability to draw their own conclusions. There is a committee in place, but unfortunately for you they are not the gestapo and do not prevent others from having thoughts independent of your own. Certain things are checked, for example did you mean to put UND #1 or were you thinking of NDSU, hey you voted for Youngstown State at #8 and #12, or similar items along those lines. Feel free to ask around, there are plenty of people in the last year that have gotten an email and/or PM asking about certain things. While you're arguing for stricter standards, there are quite a few indignant responses received about why are the polls being checked at all because we have a right to rank them the way we feel and some people are genuinely unhappy when things are questioned. If you have a perfect system for doing this, feel free to share it along with the final rankings of the Top 25 for this year so we can all just skip it and it will save some of us the 20+/- hours of our time we spend on our own weekends from Saturday night to Monday (or this case Sunday to Tuesday) getting it all together, checking for duplicates and errors, and getting it out there for everyone.

BTW: I noticed you didn't post your own poll. I'm sure there are some things in there that others would find questionable as well.

[WrenFGun]

Then the conference arguments come into play...that's just like saying that a 5-6 CAA team deserves to be ranked ahead of a 10-1 MEAC team no matter what.

If BCU loses to SC State this Saturday, (I'm actually picking the Dawgs in this game), and UNH wins then the point is moot. Like I said, BCU may be my #25 but UNH is definitely my #26. Odds are they may be in my top 20 or so regardless next week. It just depends on how everything shakes out. If BCU goes to O'burg and absolutely destroys SC State and plays like they did in the 2nd half of the game with Bama State then that has to be taken under consideration as well.

Yes, they do.

I'll take an example from last season.

William and Mary finished 5-6 last season, with a win over NH. Meanwhile, Norfolk State, who finished 9-2, didn't beat anyone as good; in fact, I'm not sure anyone they beat would easily handle Richmond or Villanova from last year. So yes, I think a 5-6 CAA Team should be ranked over a 9-2 MEAC team. Go beat someone.

[NHwildEcat]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and ability to draw their own conclusions. There is a committee in place, but unfortunately for you they are not the gestapo and do not prevent others from having thoughts independent of your own. Certain things are checked, for example did you mean to put UND #1 or were you thinking of NDSU, hey you voted for Youngstown State at #8 and #12, or similar items along those lines. Feel free to ask around, there are plenty of people in the last year that have gotten an email and/or PM asking about certain things. While you're arguing for stricter standards, there are quite a few indignant responses received about why are the polls being checked at all because we have a right to rank them the way we feel and some people are genuinely unhappy when things are questioned. If you have a perfect system for doing this, feel free to share it along with the final rankings of the Top 25 for this year so we can all just skip it and it will save some of us the 20+/- hours of our time we spend on our own weekends from Saturday night to Monday (or this case Sunday to Tuesday) getting it all together, checking for duplicates and errors, and getting it out there for everyone.

BTW: I noticed you didn't post your own poll. I'm sure there are some things in there that others would find questionable as well.


Fair point...here is my poll:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Towson Tigers
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Wofford Terriers
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Liberty Flames
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[DSUrocks07]

1. Harvard
2. Lehigh
3. Penn
4. Dartmouth
5. South Carolina State
6. Stony Brook
7. Albany
8. Eastern Illinois
9. Eastern Washington
10. McNeese State
11. Youngstown State
12. UT-Martin
13. Sam Houston
14. North Dakota State
15. Montana State
16. Northern Iowa
17. Georgia Southern
18. Appalachian State
19. Old Dominion
20. Montana
21. James Madison
22. Wofford
23. Maine
24. Towson
25. New Hampshire

Thoughts?

You have UNH at 25 and no one says anything. I have them just outside the top 25 and I'm getting reamed for it. xcoffeex

People are acting like I think UNH is a terrible team xlolx

[gotts]

You have UNH at 25 and no one says anything. I have them just outside the top 25 and I'm getting reamed for it. xcoffeex

People are acting like I think UNH is a terrible team xlolx

Methinks some of the posters on here need to get their sarcasm detectors recharged...

[NHwildEcat]

You have UNH at 25 and no one says anything. I have them just outside the top 25 and I'm getting reamed for it. xcoffeex

People are acting like I think UNH is a terrible team xlolx

His poll is clearly sarcastic...that is why no one pays this any attention.

[NHwildEcat]

You have UNH at 25 and no one says anything. I have them just outside the top 25 and I'm getting reamed for it. xcoffeex

People are acting like I think UNH is a terrible team xlolx

By not having UNH in the Top 25 to me that means you think they are terrible. A playoff team from last year win their first game by a large margin after returning most of their team and you have them unranked...how else is that supposed to be percevied?

[superman7515]

By not having UNH in the Top 25 to me that means you think they are terrible. A playoff team from last year win their first game by a large margin after returning most of their team and you have them unranked...how else is that supposed to be percevied?

Again, it's just opinions, but as an example: I'm a Delaware fan and you have Delaware, who played a closer than it looks game against D2 West Chester for 3 quarters, ranked ahead of Youngstown State who beat a BCS team in Pitt from pillar to post. Am I supposed to send you an email asking you why and determine on my own whether or not you have a good enough reason before deciding whether or not to accept your ballot? No love for Tennessee-Martin who beat an FBS team, a bad one, yes, but no worse than the Idaho team that Eastern Washington beat. Same for McNeese State. The point being, there are several ways people look at the poll and especially in Week 1, there are a lot of arguments that can be made in a lot of different ways. Now if Week 10 rolls around and someone is trying to pull something, it's a lot easier to call BS because there's a larger body of work and connections can be made through common opponents and conference play and other things. Hell, the preseason poll had 90+ FCS teams get at least one vote. It all works out in the end.

[DSUrocks07]

Again, it's just opinions, but as an example: I'm a Delaware fan and you have Delaware, who played a closer than it looks game against D2 West Chester for 3 quarters, ranked ahead of Youngstown State who beat a BCS team in Pitt from pillar to post. Am I supposed to send you an email asking you why and determine on my own whether or not you have a good enough reason before deciding whether or not to accept your ballot? No love for Tennessee-Martin who beat an FBS team, a bad one, yes, but no worse than the Idaho team that Eastern Washington beat. Same for McNeese State. The point being, there are several ways people look at the poll and especially in Week 1, there are a lot of arguments that can be made in a lot of different ways. Now if Week 10 rolls around and someone is trying to pull something, it's a lot easier to call BS because there's a larger body of work and connections can be made through common opponents and conference play and other things. Hell, the preseason poll had 90+ FCS teams get at least one vote. It all works out in the end.

Like I've said, if UNH continues to win their games they'll move up. It's that simple. These guys are so appalled that I have 10 teams ranked ahead of them in a Week 1 poll. New season=new team, some people believe that only their teams can improve from year to year. I was more impressed by BCU's comeback in the second half than UNH beating Holy Cross. The only poll that matters is the end of the season. Once we get into conference play the big conference schools have the advantage. Hell, I've even moved teams down who win because of who they are playing. This is all much ado about nothing. If it's week 8 and I still have a 7-1 BCU ahead of a 6-2 UNH, complain then.

[DSUrocks07]

Methinks some of the posters on here need to get their sarcasm detectors recharged...


His poll is clearly sarcastic...that is why no one pays this any attention.

I wasn't aware that sarcasm was a one-way street...I was being sarcastic in response.

[PantherRob82]

Rob, how can you rank ivied (especially all of the top 4) when none of them play until week 3


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From spring ball, fall camp, and what these teams have coming back, they are easily all Top 5.

[clenz]

From spring ball, fall camp, and what these teams have coming back, they are easily all Top 5.
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[NHwildEcat]

Again, it's just opinions, but as an example: I'm a Delaware fan and you have Delaware, who played a closer than it looks game against D2 West Chester for 3 quarters, ranked ahead of Youngstown State who beat a BCS team in Pitt from pillar to post. Am I supposed to send you an email asking you why and determine on my own whether or not you have a good enough reason before deciding whether or not to accept your ballot? No love for Tennessee-Martin who beat an FBS team, a bad one, yes, but no worse than the Idaho team that Eastern Washington beat. Same for McNeese State. The point being, there are several ways people look at the poll and especially in Week 1, there are a lot of arguments that can be made in a lot of different ways. Now if Week 10 rolls around and someone is trying to pull something, it's a lot easier to call BS because there's a larger body of work and connections can be made through common opponents and conference play and other things. Hell, the preseason poll had 90+ FCS teams get at least one vote. It all works out in the end.

Sure, any number of reasons on my part can lead me to placing certain teams above others that may seem odd to others. Not disagreeing with your point. And I know there is a good system in place, I just know that I try to be as even as I can when coming up with my Top 25, and it is extremly hard for me to understand how anyone can leave UNH out at this point based on all we know. With that said, as one of the example you mention above, YSU is below UD. The reason for this is that YSU wasn't even in my off-season poll, so they made a huge jump on my poll in that respect. UD also dropped from my prior poll, and if they had lost that game they would have dropped out all together...but a win is what I expected from them and that is what they gave.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Im surprised that somebody hasnt thrashed my ballot like was a common occurrence last year

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

Im surprised that somebody hasnt thrashed my ballot like was a common occurrence last year

I haven't seen your ballot, but I'm sure there are errors all over itxsmiley_wix

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sure, any number of reasons on my part can lead me to placing certain teams above others that may seem odd to others. Not disagreeing with your point. And I know there is a good system in place, I just know that I try to be as even as I can when coming up with my Top 25, and it is extremly hard for me to understand how anyone can leave UNH out at this point based on all we know. With that said, as one of the example you mention above, YSU is below UD. The reason for this is that YSU wasn't even in my off-season poll, so they made a huge jump on my poll in that respect. UD also dropped from my prior poll, and if they had lost that game they would have dropped out all together...but a win is what I expected from them and that is what they gave.

What? You try and guess as do the rest of us on a preseason poll. We can't know anything at that point so how can it be an anchor that you attach any "jumping" to?

Forget it. I don't have time for the debate but that I sure can not understand. There is not one ranking in my poll this week that had anything to do with my preseason poll. The first one doesn't get any sliding. It is brand new based on things we know as of the first game.

It's also why I guess I can not understanding people saying a team has slipped from the preseason ranking...they weren't attached there, they had done nothing to be there, it was just us spit balling as to where were guessing the teams are in our collective minds.

[UNIFanSince1983]

What? You try and guess as do the rest of us on a preseason poll. We can't know anything at that point so how can it be an anchor that you attach any "jumping" to?

Forget it. I don't have time for the debate but that I sure can not understand. There is not one ranking in my poll this week that had anything to do with my preseason poll. The first one doesn't get any sliding. It is brand new based on things we know as of the first game.

It's also why I guess I can not understanding people saying a team has slipped from the preseason ranking...they weren't attached there, they had done nothing to be there, it was just us spit balling as to where were guessing the teams are in our collective minds.

THIS!

[superman7515]

Im surprised that somebody hasnt thrashed my ballot like was a common occurrence last year

I think at this point we've all just figured out you only get to vote because you're the bosses kid or have some pictures in your possession that can't be released to the public, something along those lines. We've given up even asking anymore. xlolx

[bjtheflamesfan]

I will qualify this by mentioning that I am pretty sure I missed the preseason poll because I was going through some personal issues and a lack of internet access and so I largely stuck to that. Also, I didnt penalize teams that lost games they were supposed to (i.e. FBS vs. FCS games). I expect that this will look much different on my part starting next week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Towson Tigers
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Maine Black Bears
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Liberty Flames
25: Chattanooga Mocs

there you go

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

BJ - you seem to have put more stock in the preseason polls that I have. Not a criticism, just an observation. I don't have teams like Lehigh, Towson, Maine, and even App St. so high. I have Youngstown much higher. In a few weeks all will settle and we will likely see a couple of your teams drop back, a few stay in place, and couple of my teams drop out who don't belong, and a newcomer or two that surprise us all.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I agree. With as busy as I was with getting married and settling back into my job and getting prepped for my first FCS Wedge piece (and not being able to find my preseason ballot), I just figured Id start from scratch in a sense with my week 1 vote. There will probably be a lot more movement come my week 2 ballot