Richard Sincere vs. Marcus Williams

[alvinkayak6]

Who wins?
http://itemonline.com/archive/x891766869/g258000000000000000c364b87215fb0b538e3fc3899a4f86b 4f3711ff9.jpg

vs.

http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/media/full/jpg/2011/10/31/1101-marcus-williams.jpg

[TheBisonator]

I just hope that Sincere is thinking that he's gonna light up Marcus. It makes it that all the much more sweeter when Marcus picks him off a couple times.

[xcoach2]

I just hope that Sincere is thinking that he's gonna light up Marcus. It makes it that all the much more sweeter when Marcus picks him off a couple times.

lol - Sincere might have attempted a couple of passes all season. This Williams cat isn't better than Montana's CB who had a handful of NFL scouts to se him in Huntsville last week.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

lol - Sincere might have attempted a couple of passes all season. This Williams cat isn't better than Montana's CB who had a handful of NFL scouts to se him in Huntsville last week.

He probably would have scouts too if he was a senior. Bad news for FCS is he is only a sophomore.

7 picks
3 pick 6's

[xcoach2]

He probably would have scouts too if he was a senior. Bad news for FCS is he is only a sophomore.

7 picks
3 pick 6's

Williams is eligible for the upcoming draft in April. He's a 3rd year soph. The cat from Montana is on a different level size/speed-wise than Williams. Daxton Swanson for Sam has 8 picks this year.

[katstrapper]

lol - Sincere might have attempted a couple of passes all season. This Williams cat isn't better than Montana's CB who had a handful of NFL scouts to se him in Huntsville last week.

Yep, Sincere dont throw much if at all. Your question should include Brian Bell who is the true QB. He has only thrown 5 ints all year.

Brian Bell 131 of 212, 1954 yds, 20 tds 5 ints 61.8% Completion % 165.6 Pass efficiency

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Williams is eligible for the upcoming draft in April. He's a 3rd year soph. The cat from Montana is on a different level size/speed-wise than Williams. Daxton Swanson for Sam has 8 picks this year.

Housing 3 picks is very notable.


Yep, Sincere dont throw much if at all. Your question should include Brian Bell who is the true QB. He has only thrown 5 ints all year.

Brian Bell 131 of 212, 1954 yds, 20 tds 5 ints 61.8% Completion % 165.6 Pass efficiency

that passing efficiency thing gives way too much weight to TD passes.

Brock Jensen 209 of 306 2404 yds 13 tds 3 ints 68.3% completion His int % is .98

[Hammerhead]

Marcus Williams -- Sports Network/Fathead.com All-America 1st Team
Trumaine Johnson -- Sports Network/Fathead.com All-America 2nd Team


...This Williams cat isn't better than Montana's CB who had a handful of NFL scouts to se him in Huntsville last week.

[xcoach2]

Marcus Williams -- Sports Network/Fathead.com All-America 1st Team
Trumaine Johnson -- Sports Network/Fathead.com All-America 2nd Team

Sigh - both made 1st AP. The NFL clearly likes Johnson better.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Sigh - both made 1st AP. The NFL clearly likes Johnson better.

One more time. It is because he is a SENIOR and Williams is a SOPHOMORE

[xcoach2]

One more time. It is because he is a SENIOR and Williams is a SOPHOMORE

One more time, Williams is draft eligible. He's a 3rd year soph. If he was as coveted by the NFL as Johnson he'd have scouts following him as well. Johnson is a legit 6'2. Williams is 5'10.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

One more time, Williams is draft eligible. He's a 3rd year soph. If he was as coveted by the NFL as Johnson he'd have scouts following him as well. Johnson is a legit 6'2. Williams is 5'10.

How many FCS players go into the draft BEFORE their eligibility is up? You are a Decemberist so I'm just curious how much you actually know.

[Gil Dobie]

Sigh - both made 1st AP. The NFL clearly likes Johnson better.

Link or STFU ;)

[MplsBison]

One more time, Williams is draft eligible. He's a 3rd year soph. If he was as coveted by the NFL as Johnson he'd have scouts following him as well. Johnson is a legit 6'2. Williams is 5'10.

If Williams was a senior, he would be more coveted than Johnson.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

If Williams was a senior, he would be more coveted than Johnson.

The attention appears to be as a result of a full career, not this year as Williams is clearly outperforming him. He has almost half as many picks this season as Johnson has for his whole career.

[xcoach2]

Link or STFU ;)

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/AP-FCS-All-America-Team-2405308.php

[xcoach2]

If Williams was a senior, he would be more coveted than Johnson.

Williams is draft eligible now. Johnson is much more coveted by the NFL because of his size/frame.

[MplsBison]

Williams is draft eligible now. Johnson is much more coveted by the NFL because of his size/frame.

Williams is a Soph now.

If he was a senior, he would be more coveted by the NFL.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Williams is draft eligible now. Johnson is much more coveted by the NFL because of his size/frame.

Whew, for a "coach" you aren't terribly bright. In FCS, players rarely are even considered for the draft before their eligibility is up. Regardless of his draft eligibility, he will not be considered for at least 1 to two years.

If you take the last 2 years stats together, you can see that Marcus Williams, while only a sophomore, has clearly outperformed Trumaine Johnson.

Johnson - 5 T 2 Solo 6 INT 2 TD

Williams - 3 T 3 Solo 11 INT 3 TD

[xcoach2]

Williams is a Soph now.

If he was a senior, he would be more coveted by the NFL.

No he would not. Williams is 5'9 - 5'10. The Johnson kid is a legit 6'2. Two completely diffrent animals. I don't think you understand how the NFL works. Williams is draft eligible. If he was a big time NFL prospect (which he is not) then he'd have scouts all over him. They don't care about classification. They care whether a kid is draft eligible or not.

[xcoach2]

Whew, for a "coach" you aren't terribly bright. In FCS, players rarely are even considered for the draft before their eligibility is up. Regardless of his draft eligibility, he will not be considered for at least 1 to two years.

If you take the last 2 years stats together, you can see that Marcus Williams, while only a sophomore, has clearly outperformed Trumaine Johnson.

Johnson - 5 T 2 Solo 6 INT 2 TD

Williams - 3 T 3 Solo 11 INT 3 TD

I'm not terribly bright? hmmmm. Well I know that the NFL values a good many of things over a stat sheet. Williams is an undersized CB in the NFL. Johnson is a big CB in the NFL and maybe even a safety. Keep wasting your time though. You have no argument here.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm not terribly bright? hmmmm. Well I know that the NFL values a good many of things over a stat sheet. Williams is an undersized CB in the NFL. Johnson is a big CB in the NFL and maybe even a safety. Keep wasting your time though. You have no argument here.

The average height for an NFL cornerback is within 1/2" of 5' 11". Williams isn't undersized for anything. If he continues to perform over the next 2 years (and not decline like Trumaine Johnson) he will have plenty of consideration for the NFL.

[xcoach2]

also, I can't believe I was labeled "aren't terribly bright" by a dude who lives in a medieval fort. If you're going to attempt at running smack then at least clean up your life bro.

[MplsBison]

No he would not. Williams is 5'9 - 5'10. The Johnson kid is a legit 6'2. Two completely diffrent animals. I don't think you understand how the NFL works. Williams is draft eligible. If he was a big time NFL prospect (which he is not) then he'd have scouts all over him. They don't care about classification. They care whether a kid is draft eligible or not.

I figured you didn't get it.

First of all, there are plenty of good CB in the NFL and previously in the NFL who were not 6'. That means piss in the NFL and you know it.

Second of all -- what we're trying to tell you, if you had half a brain to hear it, is that in two more seasons when Williams is a senior, he will have developed and increased his skill and speed much farther than they are today. He will no doubt be a more highly desired CB than this other guy.

Sorry that you don't have a clue about how things work.

[xcoach2]

The average height for an NFL cornerback is within 1/2" of 5' 11". Williams isn't undersized for anything. If he continues to perform over the next 2 years (and not decline like Trumaine Johnson) he will have plenty of consideration for the NFL.

Think the reason for Johnson's "decline" might have something to do with him being targeted less because of his body of work? You can't glance over a stat sheet and determine whether or not a CB has declined.

[Gil Dobie]

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/AP-FCS-All-America-Team-2405308.php

Looking for the "NFL" love for Johnson over Williams.

[xcoach2]

I figured you didn't get it.

First of all, there are plenty of good CB in the NFL and previously in the NFL who were not 6'. That means piss in the NFL and all the coaches know it.

Second of all -- what we're trying to tell you, if you had half a brain to hear it, is that in two more seasons when Williams is a senior, he will have developed and increased his skill and speed much farther than they are today. He will no doubt be a more highly desired CB than this other guy.

Sorry that you don't have a clue about how things work.

I don't have a clue about how things work? My friend who is the Dir of Scouting for a NFC South team was at the SHSU/Montana game to see Johnson. I emailed him on Tuesday to inquire about NFL prospects at NDSU. He described Williams as a "JAG" on the NFL level.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

also, I can't believe I was labeled "aren't terribly bright" by a dude who lives in a medieval fort. If you're going to attempt at running smack then at least clean up your life bro.

yeah, it's a rental. My wife is finishing her PhD at Ohio State so she makes a student stipend, not much. In this market, I couldn't see buying a house for 3 years and getting stuck with it when we move. Enough room for us, my son, and my two cats. I have an MBA and work a very cushy IT job that allows me ample time to play on the internets but you're right. My life is a complete mess.

[KATS_21]

Back to original post question, Sincere vs Williams does not really matter. Sincere only has maybe 5 passes all season.

[LakesBison]

MWILL WILL.DESTROY THIS.KID

THIS JUST IN: xcoach is neck and.neck with darrell.as.dumbest person on earth

[fitty]

Ah, i'm surprised none of the Bison fans picked this up....Williams is a TRUE soph. , not a third yr. soph. Don't think he's draft eligible.

[Thunderstruck]

I dont think this is a game of individual matchups. Sincere lines up as a WR, RB, and QB at times. MWill will not move to linebacker for this. This is going to be a game of matchups like SHSU O line vs NDSU D line, SHSU skill players vs NDSU LB & Secondary. Sincere is going to line up in several different spots and MWill will do his job.

[Thunderstruck]

Ah, i'm surprised none of the Bison fans picked this up....Williams is a TRUE soph. , not a third yr. soph. Don't think he's draft eligible.

He redshirted in 2009 according to the Bison website. Graduated in 2009 from H.S.

http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=11845&SPID=695&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=2400&ATCLID=204965585&Q_SEASON=2011

[fitty]

Oops, my bad! I was thinking Heagle, Turner, AND Williams all played as true freshmen last year.

[Sambow]

I dont think this is a game of individual matchups. Sincere lines up as a WR, RB, and QB at times. MWill will not move to linebacker for this. This is going to be a game of matchups like SHSU O line vs NDSU D line, SHSU skill players vs NDSU LB & Secondary. Sincere is going to line up in several different spots and MWill will do his job.

Exactly

[Grizalltheway]

MWILL WILL.DESTROY THIS.KID

THIS JUST IN: xcoach is neck and.neck with darrell.as.dumbest person on earth

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ypLbfElo068/THzVonrcvSI/AAAAAAAAAIo/djvnXHtNe9U/s1600/stop-posting.jpg

[LakesBison]

Grizalltheway WHY CUZ IM RIGHT?? & YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH??

[MplsBison]

I don't have a clue about how things work? My friend who is the Dir of Scouting for a NFC South team was at the SHSU/Montana game to see Johnson. I emailed him on Tuesday to inquire about NFL prospects at NDSU. He described Williams as a "JAG" on the NFL level.

Then your make believe friend is moron who should be fired and you're an even bigger moron for listening to him.

Done and done.

[alvinkayak6]

Nice. I got a 5 star thread going.

Exhibit A:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9Ds2jkiEs

[frozennorth]

also, I can't believe I was labeled "aren't terribly bright" by a dude who lives in a medieval fort. If you're going to attempt at running smack then at least clean up your life bro.

you must be shsu's darell1976


oh **** lakes already made this post, maybe i really am lakes.

[alvinkayak6]

Note: i did not film this

[alvinkayak6]

Exhibit B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASwPXhk0y5c

[Grizalltheway]

Grizalltheway WHY CUZ IM RIGHT?? & YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH??

No, because you're annoying and dumb as ****, and probably smell bad, too.

[bisonguy]

Nice. I got a 5 star thread going.

Exhibit A:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9Ds2jkiEs

Rebuttal to Exhibit A:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWNWjyjSKKg

[sgt smash]

I don't have a clue about how things work? My friend who is the Dir of Scouting for a NFC South team was at the SHSU/Montana game to see Johnson. I emailed him on Tuesday to inquire about NFL prospects at NDSU. He described Williams as a "JAG" on the NFL level.

I have a friend who went to a Minnesota Vikings game this year. He said Chris Cook sucked and he is tall...

[cbarrier90]

How many FCS players go into the draft BEFORE their eligibility is up? You are a Decemberist so I'm just curious how much you actually know.

Taiwan Jones

[344Johnson]

Taiwan Jones

Which ended up being a great idea based on EWU this year

[Grizzlies82]

Which ended up being a great idea based on EWU this year

Turned out to be a pretty good deal for Taiwan Jones.

[Grizzlies82]

Rebuttal to Exhibit A:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWNWjyjSKKg

So your rebuttal is;

The Gopher QB tosses a hope & a prayer into the midst of four Bison defenders.
One Bison picks off this duck.
This Bison then fumbles it.
Your "miracle" man grabs this fumble and has a wide open field to score.

Overall weak rebuttal using the Gopher's gift. I hope your not an attorney by trade.

[Twentysix]

So your rebuttal is;

The Gopher QB tosses a hope & a prayer into the midst of four Bison defenders.
One Bison picks off this duck.
This Bison then fumbles it.
Your "miracle" man grabs this fumble and has a wide open field to score.

Overall weak rebuttal using the Gopher's gift. I hope your not an attorney by trade.

Nice try but it was blatantly a pitch. You should watch more football so you can identify when an offensive player is stripped and when they purposefully throw a ball backwards with both hands.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjFvcVZOCV0&feature=related

Start it at 1:50 trolololllolllolllol

[bisonguy]

So your rebuttal is;

The Gopher QB tosses a hope & a prayer into the midst of four Bison defenders.
One Bison picks off this duck.
This Bison then fumbles it.
Your "miracle" man grabs this fumble and has a wide open field to score.

Overall weak rebuttal using the Gopher's gift. I hope your not an attorney by trade.

It's a rebuttal against what should have been a pick six by two Bobcat defenders with three missed tackles. Doesn't take much.

[Grizzlies82]

It's a rebuttal against what should have been a pick six by two Bobcat defenders with three missed tackles. Doesn't take much.

It is a valid observation that the Bobcats failed to pick it off, then failed to make simple tackles.
Actually both highlight films show fluke TDs thanks to the other team's mistakes.
So I guess it may be a reasonable rebuttal in that sense.